U.S.: Base Hit By Iranian-Type Rocket

Attack On Largest Base In Iraq Linked To Iran; Ahmadinejad Rejects Link To Shiite Militias

(AP)  A fatal attack launched two days ago against the headquarters garrison of the American military in Iraq was carried out using a 240 mm rocket - a type of weapon provided to Shiite extremists by Iran, a U.S. general said Thursday.

One person was killed and 11 were wounded in the "indirect fire" attack Tuesday against Camp Victory, which includes the headquarters of Multinational Forces-Iraq.

The attack was overshadowed by congressional appearances by Gen. David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker.

But such an attack with a sophisticated weapon against a nearly impregnable compound - far less vulnerable than the Green Zone in the heart of the capital - sends a strong message to the Americans that nowhere in Iraq are they safe - even in the nerve center of the U.S. mission.

It represents a major confrontation between the U.S. and armed Shiite groups the Americans insist are supported by Iran.

Maj. Gen. Kevin Bergner said the rocket was launched from a populated area in the Rasheed district of west Baghdad, which he said was infiltrated by breakaway factions of the Mahdi Army militia of anti-U.S. cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

Bergner said the rocket was a type of weapon that Shiite groups "have received from Iranian sources in the past and used against coalition forces." A 240 mm rocket was fired against a U.S. base south of the capital in mid-August.

"The Iranian... rocket is the only 240-milimeter rocket found or fired in Iraq to date, and Jaish al-Mahdi is the only group known to fire that rocket," Bergner said, referring to the Mahdi Army by its Arabic name.

Displaying a twisted piece of shrapnel from the attack, he said military exerts had so far determined that its markings and manufacture were "consistent with" Iranian produced munitions.

"Can I hold up a piece of fragment today that has a specific marking on it that traces this back to Iranian making?" he said. "At this moment I can't do that, but explosive experts - as I said - are still analyzing all the different fragments that they have gathered."

Camp Victory, a huge area located near Baghdad International Airport, has occasionally come under fire, but attacks with such a large number of casualties and with such sophisticated weapons are rare.

Bergner would not say where the rocket hit and would not speculate what part of the base the insurgents were targeting.

In Washington, Petraeus said the U.S. military had "very, very clear" evidence of Iranian involvement in such attacks.

"It certainly has contributed to a sophistication of attacks that would by no means be possible without Iranian support," Petraeus said at a news conference Wednesday. "Rockets - very particularly 240-millimeter ... there's no question where they have come from."

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (at left, flanked by Revolutionary Guard commanders) rejected the congressional testimony by Petraeus and Crocker that accused Iran of interfering in its neighbor.

In an interview on Iranian state television, Ahmadinejad said the top U.S. officials in Iraq raised allegations of Iranian meddling solely because of the political debate within the United States over the war in Iraq.

"Iran has no need to interfere in Iraq. The Iraqi government and nation are close friends of Iran," he said.

Bergner insisted the U.S. had a "good sense" of the rocket's source - Iran - based on the color, recent manufacture and markings on fragments. He said Shiite extremist leaders under U.S. detention had acknowledged that Iranian Quds Force operatives were providing 240 mm rockets to Shiite militias.

Last month, al-Sadr announced a freeze of operations by the Mahdi Army to give time to reorganize the force, but Bergner said not all of the militia was following the order.

"There are indications that some of his followers are fulfilling that pledge of honor," Bergner said. "We have seen other indications of others who are not fulfilling the commitment he made. We know there are some that are not operating within the bounds of his guidance."

The military said the victims of Tuesday's rocket attack were a mix of American military personnel, other coalition troops and civilian contractors. The fatality was a civilian contractor from a third country, meaning neither American nor Iraqi, he said.

Also Thursday, the U.S. military said a joint three-day operation between Iraqi troops and U.S. Special Forces netted 80 prisoners and killed three suspects in the Hamrin Ridge and Diyala River Valley areas of eastern Iraq.

Among those captured were four suspected al Qaeda in Iraq terror cell leaders, the military said.

The U.S. said Iraqi troops also seized 40 AK-47 assault rifles and machine gun ammunition. More than 1,000 Iraqi soldiers took part in the operation, it said.

[tgdowd]

This is just more Neo-Con fascist tactics used to start another war with another sovereign country. We all know Hitler and other dictators used the same techniques. Do not fall into their trap.

[brianbwb-2009]

Even if it came from Iran, the Iranians did not launch it.

If a faction in another country uses weapons bought from and sold by the US, does it mean the US fired the weapon?

[prinzowhales]

Cheney has already gave marching orders to the Zio-Nazi propaganda mill fronting as a ''think tank''--the American Enterprise Institute--to begin providing the Regime with a raison d''etre for an attack on Iran.

The Quds force is portrayed as a super-elite force yet they are apparently too stupid to remove identifying markings from their weaponry before moving it magically to Iraq. The last time the Regime tried to perpetrate a fraud, alleging Iranian armament of the freedom fighters, the weapons turned out to be of Eastern European origin--from some of the ex-Commies who are, not surprisingly, backing the Trotskyites in Washington.

We are also asked to believe that the Iranians kidnapped by the Regime would be silly enough to enter digital information obtained from murdered US servicemen on their laptops.

In the propaganda build-up for the Iraq invasion, Americans were sold a bill of goods regarding Iraqi "death gliders"--filmed in the Arizona desert to present to Congressmen; we were asked to buy into the Niger yellowcake fraud, concocted by black ops people out of whole cloth; the lies of Chalabi; the WMD claims and the al Qaeda links.

Expect lie after lie after lie from the Regime with regard to Iran...

General Betrayus is a sniveling yes-man that Admiral Fallon hates. Even Barney doesn''t keep his nose up Bush''s backside the way this ''leader'' does.

http://www.antiwar.com/porter/?articleid=11606

[skyk-2009]

Who knows? With the present leadership and the history of constant LYING, who knows what is truth anymore. We truly have a horrible mess on our hands brought about by an invasion of an Arab Nation that did nothing to us or was in no way involved with any attack on us. That leaves us open to attacks from a wide range of people with a wide range of goals. If we still had any friends in the area and IF we had help in the world, that would not be the case. Our biggest problem is that the vast majority of the world looks upon us as a nation with a Mad Man at the helm...thus any attack on us is concidered by the world community as justified. This is only the begining I''m afraid.

[cbs_oliver]

The US military and media have mentioned these 9 1/2 inch diameter rockets in the past.

Seems smallish as a rocket.

How much deliverable explosive can they carry being that small?

Isn''t a regular artillary shell more damaging?

I guess these kinds of rockets could be a big thing if fired from huge trucks with lots and lots of launching tubes, like the Russians used to do in 1942 or so.

But one at a time?

I guess.

Even a single bullet is one to many.

[lars008-2009]

it is fascist nazi terrorislam stupid%u2026.

non muslims of the world unite... fight against the tyranny of the fascist nazi terrorslam imperialist empire of the darkside...

I was a fanatic...I know their thinking, says former radical Islamist
By blaming the Government for our actions, those who pushed this "Blair''s bombs" line did our propaganda work for us.
More important, they also helped to draw away any critical examination from the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=465570&in_page_id=1770
Bless the Beasts and Children
Fascist nazi terrorslam kills every man woman and child in the village again%u2026 typical mo for terrorslam%u2026
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/bless-the-beasts-and-children.htm

Our Prophet commanded us to fight the kaafirs when we are able and to attack them in their homelands and to give them three choices before we enter their lands: either they become Muslim and be like us, sharing our rights and duties; or they pay the jizyah (poll tax) and feel themselves subdued; or they fight, in which case their wealth, women, children and homes become permissible as booty for the Muslims.
http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=13759&ln=eng&txt=before%20islam%20arabia%20pagan

the truth about fascist nazi terrorislam...
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/

[theusa1st]

I am not making any threats toward anyone, but I really wish Bush would die. Can''''t someone assasinate that scum bag? He deserves to be tortured to death and hung just like Saddam.
Posted by Precious_Thi at 07:26 AM : Sep 13, 2007

you have crossed the line with your comment and you have been reported.

[drinuk]

Muppets Bush and Cheney have not yet achieved their goal to grab both Iraqi and Iranian oil, all this nonsense is designed to ratchet up the eventual bombing of Iran prior to them leaving office in seventeen months time. Believe it ! the guy is Nuts enough to do it, like a little mentally retarded boy being egged on by the village bully to throw a rock through the window of the sheriffs office.

How the bloodyhell do we get a grip of these loonies, God Help us.

[radiob-2009]

One person was killed and a dozen were wounded during the "indirect fire" attack Tuesday against Camp Victory, which includes the headquarters of Multinational Forces-Iraq.

Camp Victory - a huge area located near Baghdad International Airport - has occasionally come under fire, but attacks like Tuesday''s, with such a large number of casualties and with such sophisticated weapons, are rare.


Does anyone at CBS proof read the reports? Where are the "large number of casualties?

[theusa1st]

USA1st
precious did not make any threats, he or she just spoke out loud what I am sure plenty of people are thinking.
Posted by irishbitch11 at 07:59 AM : Sep 13, 2007

I have no problems with what people "think"...precious crossed the line. Whether you like Bush or not he is the president and any president does not deserve what was published...that was way over the top.

[gkc99]

Just part of the propaganda buildup of the Neofascists for the attack on Iran that will serve two major functions for the Righties:

1. Justify the permanent occupation of Iraq (and not coincidentally the extraction of its oil by Texass oil companies like Hunt Oil), and

2. The re-election of the now-discredited neofascists in the political system with a huge dose of war hysteria by the American Sheeple, ably led by Neofascist media mouthpieces like *** News and Rupert Mordork.

All kinda fits together, doesn''t it?

[hadenough52]

OK. Time to quit pussyfootin around. If Iran is supplying weapons...take em out. Also take out that *** cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. Let''s show these people we''re serious. *** the political scene!

[gramto7]

I am not making any threats toward anyone, but I really wish Bush would die. Can''''''''t someone assasinate that scum bag? He deserves to be tortured to death and hung just like Saddam.
Posted by Precious_Thi at 07:26 AM : Sep 13, 2007

you have crossed the line with your comment and you have been reported.
Posted by theUSA1st

I happen to agree with Precious, with one change... Cheney must go as well!

[rafterman1]

===I am not making any threats toward anyone, but I really wish Bush would die. Can''''t someone assasinate that scum bag? He deserves to be tortured to death and hung just like Saddam.===

I do not wish death upon Bush, just a quick end to his disasterous administration. Jan 09 can''t get here soon enough.

The problem is, while it is perfectly feasable that Iran is arming the militias and that it was an Iranian rocket, I do not trust the Bush administration to tell me the truth that it was all that. Hence, the dilemma.

[gramto7]

OK. Time to quit pussyfootin around. If Iran is supplying weapons...take em out. Also take out that *** cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. Let''''s show these people we''''re serious. *** the political scene!
Posted by hadenough52

So when someone uses the weapons that the US gave or sold to them, we should be attacked, huh? That is just asinine!

[tankersmash]

Every time an Iranian rocket or EFP goes off in Iraq...we should drop 2 bombs on Tehran or other Iranian military/nuclear production sites to send a message to these scumbags that we mean business and we won''t tolerate islamofascism taking over the world.

What are you deranged liberal bozos gonna say when an Iranian nuke goes off and kills a million americans or israelis? Oh, I know all you liberal knuckleheads will blame it on GWB for ''not doing anything to prevent it'' when it does happen-that''s a given. Even though Bush is the first western leader to stand up to these islamic murderers.

Regardless, deep down inside just remember that this Ahmanijad and co. want nothing more than to slit your liberal tongue and make you his slave...and why?...b/c you and I are nothing more than the evil white infidel to him and his kind. He has made his intentions clear...to wipe israel off the map and create an islamic world of tyranny. I''m sure that won''t mean a *** thing to a liberal until you are actually living under it!

You liberals need to shut and stand up! I suggest you grab a weapon and stand a post! If you have the bravery to shut the pieholes under you liberal noses and do that....yeah, right..."It''s getting cold in here, is hell freezing over?"

[patriotic9]

I have no problems with what people "think"...precious crossed the line. Whether you like Bush or not he is the president and any president does not deserve what was published...that was way over the top.
Posted by theUSA1st at 08:05 AM : Sep 13, 2007

Yeah right!!!
Bush doesn''t deserve but US troops dying every day by the WEAPONS given to ISLAMIC RADICAL "MALIKI" in the name of "ARMING IRAQI SECURITY FORCES" and MONEY in the name of "REBUILDING IRAQ" by BUSH, deserve to losse their lives?

[jn122736]

OK. Time to quit pussyfootin around. If Iran is supplying weapons...take em out.
Posted by hadenough52
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If/when we learn that the rockets actually came from Russia, do you recommend that we %u201Ctake out%u201D Russia?
First, America assisted the insurgents fighting Russia in Afghanistan by furnishing them with sophisticated weapons and training.

Second: Russia still has long-range, nuclear-armed, Missiles aimed at targets on American soil.

There is an old clichi for actions like that; %u201Ccutting off your nose to spite tour face%u201D

When terrorists do it we call them %u201Csuicide bombers%u201D

[hungry1968]

"A fatal attack... was carried out using a 240 mm rocket - a type of weapon provided to Shiite extremists by Iran, a U.S. general said Thursday."

Were there any serial number or markings on it confirming it came from Iran. Or is it because it was 240 mm it must be from Iran? That seems pretty vague to me...


"One person was killed and a dozen were wounded during the "indirect fire" attack..."

Was the missile fired as a hostile action or not? What do they mean "indirect fire"?



"These comments are the result of their domestic competition. Our stance on Iraq is quite clear, but they made a mistake and keep repeating it," Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

That''s the most truth we''ve gotten from ANY political leader since this disaster started.

[tankersmash]

OK. Time to quit pussyfootin around. If Iran is supplying weapons...take em out.
Posted by hadenough52

AMEN BRO!

WAR IS HELL...if you want to win and stay free and keep the liberties alive that we hold dear, you need to get down and dirty and quit ''pussyfootin around''.

[hungry1968]

I am not making any threats toward anyone, but I really wish Bush would die. Can''''t someone assasinate that scum bag? He deserves to be tortured to death and hung just like Saddam.
Posted by Precious_Thi at 07:26 AM : Sep 13, 2007


The only thing worse than Bush as president / dictator / king, would be Cheney as president / dictator / king. Be careful what you wish for - you just might get it.

[grazinggoat]

Were it Russia, China selling those Rockets, to those militants would the military accuse Russia or China the same way it''s mounting this Iranian case?

-Some idiots in the Military are Walking-Liar''s puppets. They do and say whatever this stinky administration ask them to. It''s not up to Iran to take responsibility of what the Mahdi Militants are doing in THEIR OWN countries. We are just illegal occupiers and they are rightfully resisting our presence there. The resistence to occupation is a divine right inserted into the UN charter of rights in time of war.

[patriotic9]

What are you deranged liberal bozos gonna say when an Iranian nuke goes off and kills a million americans or israelis?
Posted by tankersmash at 08:31 AM : Sep 13, 2007

Why should we care about the European invaders in Palestine (you call them israelis)?
Because those NON-AMERICAN EUROPEAN INVADERS IN PALESTINE are CHOSEN by GOD and AMERICANS are NEGLECTED by god, because United States is an UNHOLY LAND and FILTHY and NASTY NON-AMERICAN LAND "BETHLEHAM", is a HOLY LAND, where ISLAMIC RADICAL "JESUS"(who denied Homosexuals'' right of MARRIAGE just like his fellow ISLAMIC RADICALS ) was born.

Don''t take me wrong. I fully support you in confronting Iran and Islamic Radicals where ever they are.

You said;
"Oh, I know all you liberal knuckleheads will blame it on GWB for ''''not doing anything to prevent it'''' when it does happen-that''''s a given. Even though Bush is the first western leader to stand up to these islamic murderers"

Don''t you know, nobody ever helped Iran and other Islamic radicals like Alqaeda more then Bush. Secular "SADDAM", who was fighting our war against Islamic Radicals of his own country was removed from power and an IRANIAN-BASED ISLAMIC RADICAL "MALIKI" is given power who is taking US tax dollars in the name of REBUILDING IRAQ and US WEAPONS in the name of ARMING IRAQI SECURITY FORCES, to kill US troops deployed there.

BUSH is a CHRISTIAN. CHRISTIANITY is PSYCHOSIS and CHRISTIANS are PSYCHOTICS.

[briannorwood]

The U.S. is playing a very, very dangerous game in Iraq. The "success" in Anbar the administration is so quick to brag about these days is only being accomplished by arming the Suni "warlords" there.

We are setting up a major regional conflict in which the Saudis and the other Suni Arab nations battle the Iraqi "government", Iran and other Shiite nations in the area.

All this so this arrogant moron of a president can pass off the whole thing to the next Democratic president.

Then he keep this friggin war going until he leaves office.

Of course, he knows that a Democrat will be elected to replace him, and will end this stinking mess.

However, even knowing this, the village idiot will not do anything in the next year to make that transition easier.

[hungry1968]

OK. Time to quit pussyfootin around. If Iran is supplying weapons...take em out. Also take out that *** cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. Let''s show these people we''re serious. *** the political scene!
Posted by hadenough52 at 08:13 AM : Sep 13, 2007

WAR IS HELL...if you want to win and stay free and keep the liberties alive that we hold dear, you need to get down and dirty and quit ''''pussyfootin around''''.
Posted by tankersmash at 08:45 AM : Sep 13, 2007



You two are just brilliant. I guess you feel that the disaster in Iraq is going so well, that we might as well expand it to an even bigger and much more dangerous nation. Idiots.

And by the way tankersmash, our liberties and freedoms HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IRAQ. Nowhere in our Constitution does it say, "We must protect and defend the puppet regime governments of other countries".

And you also say, "if you want to win..."
Can you define "winning"? What do we get for "winning"? What''s the goal / prize?

[hungry1968]

Of course, he knows that a Democrat will be elected to replace him, and will end this stinking mess.
Posted by briannorwood at 08:53 AM : Sep 13, 2007


Exactly. Then his "legacy" will be preserved. If it ends as a disaster on the next president''s watch, he can blame it on him / her. If it ends now, it sits squarely on his shoulders (where it should be).

He''s already started planning his presidential library - that should tell you where his priorities lie.

[lars008-2009]

Can you define "winning"? What do we get for "winning"? What''''s the goal / prize?
Posted by hungry1968 at 08:54 AM : Sep 13, 2007

defeating fascist nazi terrorislam haji...

VICTORY AT ALL COSTS!!!
I would say to the House, as I said to those who have joined this Government: ''I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears, and sweat.'' We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many, many long months of struggle and suffering. You ask, what is our policy? I can say: It is to wage war, by sea, land and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us: to wage war against a monstrous tyranny, never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy. You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: It is victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival. Winston Churchill Speech in the House of Commons, after taking office as Prime Minister (13 May 1940)

[tankersmash]

"Don''''t you know, nobody ever helped Iran and other Islamic radicals like Alqaeda more then Bush."
posted by patriotic9

What?!?!?! Haven''t you ever heard of this terrorist we call Osama Bin Laden? Who gave 400+ million of his own inheritance to establish and fund al qaeda???? ... and that''s just one of thousands...no, millions we could list! "Da..but, George Bush helps dem more dan anybody else..daaa (as you liberals put it)"...plzzzz, give me break and shut up!

Once again....the moronic liberal caucas in this country shows it''s idiocy by blaming all the world''s problems on GWB. No matter how many times I hear it and how many times you liberals proclaim it...I can''t believe how gullable the liberals are in this country...or should I call it "paranoid schizophrenia"?????... go see a shrink!

[jep52]

"a type of weapon provided to Shiite extremists by Iran, a U.S. general said Thursday."

When some sleazy American weapons dealer sells a rocket to some third-world despot, we done''t say "America provided the weapon" even if it was made here.

So how can you be so glib with your accusations, do you REALLY KNOW if "Iran" (The whole nation?) provided those rockets, it could have been a sleazy Iranian arms dealer, not "IRAN" per se.

This is just more fear-mongering. Weigh your words, or you will once again be culpable in creating an unnecessary and deadly war.

Peace is the only goal, and the impact and intent of every choice you all make with your words will be judged against that standard.

[lars008-2009]

Franklin D. Roosevelt''s Infamy Speech
December 8, 1941/September 12, 2001
The facts of yesterday speak for themselves. The people of the United States have already formed their opinions and well understand the implications to the very life and safety of our nation.

As Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy, I have directed that all measures be taken for our defense.

Always will we remember the character of the onslaught against us. No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory.

I believe I interpret the will of the Congress and of the people when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost but will make very certain that this form of treachery shall never endanger us again.

Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our territory and our interests are in grave danger.

With confidence in our armed forces - with the unbounded determination of our people - we will gain the inevitable triumph - so help us God.

[starleo146]

Posted by hungry1968 at 08:54 AM : Sep 13, 2007


Can you believe tankersmash''s rundown on taken Iran out of the picture some Bush admirer for sure no exit strategy as well par for the course.

[tgdowd]

I said I wasn''t making any threats and I do not urge anyone to kill Bush, but I have to admit I hate that guy. He is the epitome of a bully and sociopath.

[lars008-2009]

no exit strategy as well par for the course.
Posted by starleo146 at 09:06 AM : Sep 13, 2007

hahahahahaha

what is the exit strategy of afghanistan haji???
bosnia, korea, japan, germany etc etc etc...

[grazinggoat]

I can''''t believe how gullable the liberals are in this country...or should I call it "paranoid schizophrenia"?????... go see a shrink!
Posted by tankersmash at 09:01 AM : Sep 13, 2007

-smash, how''s it going in yer clinical kibutz today?

[lars008-2009]

the epitome of a bully and sociopath.
Posted by Precious_Thi at 09:06 AM : Sep 13, 2007

wronggggggggggggggg that would be fascist nazi terrorislam haji...

[tankersmash]

Yeah I can define winning. Since you can''t...Winning is when the global threat of terrorism is no more and we have succeeded in planting the seeds of freedom and liberty in a part of the world that has known only oppression and degradation. And yes, this fight is going take a LONG time and going to cost money and blood...JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER FIGHT WE HAVE BEEN IN OUR NATION''S PAST...read a little history and you might see that.

Ya know...It''s *** good thing that liberal cowards like you weren''t in command/control of this country during the Revolution/Civil War/WWI/WWII (the list goes on)...because we''d all be saying "EN SHA ALLAH or SIEG HAIL" every day with a gun to our head....since you cowards aren''t willing to fight to preserve our way of life...however, funny....you liberals don''t hesitate to utilize the freedoms that have been provided to you by brave souls...

[lars008-2009]

Posted by tankersmash at 09:10 AM : Sep 13, 2007

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! March 23, 1775 Patrick Henry

USA''s PLEDGE 2 THE WORLD GIVEN BY JFK!!

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty." - John F. Kennedy, Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1961

One ought never to turn one''s back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Winston Churchill

"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." Albert Einstein

[tankersmash]

what you call a "clinical kibutz"...I call the US ARMY smartass. And things are going well-thanks for asking...as I am going out to the field for month to train up for my third combat tour in Iraq to fight for your liberal smartass mouth...what other questions and comments can I field for you?

[lars008-2009]

VOTE FOR JEFFERSON%u2026 VOTE GOP%u2026

dnc are like john adams and want to give the jihadist their lunch money hoping they will leave us alone....

gop are like thomas jefferson and want to spend their lunch money on weapons and go kick the jihadists in their arses.....

What Thomas Jefferson learned from the Muslim book of jihad

Thomas Jefferson knew about fascist nazi islam..... he killed plenty of them....

In 1786 Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli''s envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman or (Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). They asked him by what right he extorted money and took slaves. Jefferson reported to Secretary of State John Jay, and to the Congress:

The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet (Mohammed), that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to heaven.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan07/jeff_quran.htm
muslim justifies slavery and piracy%u2026
http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?6bdec278-6a71-4436-bc4d-29d1c54b0ad7
MUSLIM PIRATES STRIKE AGAIN
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2005/06/muslim-pirates-strike-again.html

[myidoncbs]

Lars, your constant push for all-out, global war against all muslim people is as boring as it is evil. The world is a much bigger place than you can understand. Quit trying to destroy it.

[king77shaw]

smell like a false flag rocket attack designed to promote more war - just like 9/11.

[starleo146]

Posted by tankersmash at 08:45 AM : Sep 13, 2007

Have you been listening at all we can barely supply enough troops for Iraq We use to be a well supplied country enough to defend ourselves but The Bush plans and the Cheney well thought out war in Iraq has taken care of all of that so look around and see just what is going on.

[hungry1968]

Can you define "winning"? What do we get for "winning"? What''s the goal / prize?
Posted by hungry1968 at 08:54 AM : Sep 13, 2007

defeating fascist nazi terrorislam haji...
Posted by lars008 at 09:01 AM : Sep 13, 2007



No stupid - I want to know how sending American troops into Iraq is going to defeat an enemy in Afghanistan. What is the plan for victory? How do you propose we win? Stay the course? So far Bush''s plan is to "surge" 30,000 troops in, and then withdraw the 30,000 troops back out. I guess now your Fuhrer''s plan is to play hokey-pokey with American lives.

Also, how do you militarily defeat a religious belief?

Funny too how you quote FDR about us being attacked in Pearl Harbor, but Bush DOES NOTHING to catch the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks and you fully support that decision. I guess that you support bin Laden by proxy - you terrorist.

[ioweign]

You liberals need to shut and stand up! I suggest you grab a weapon and stand a post! If you have the bravery to shut the pieholes under you liberal noses and do that....yeah, right..."It''''s getting cold in here, is hell freezing over?"
Posted by tankersmash at 08:31 AM : Sep 13, 2007

Been there - done that ! USN 68-72

Get a grip and use your head - aren''t you suppose to be an commissioned officer ? - "It is better to let people think you are a jerk than open your mouth and confirm it"

[lars008-2009]

Posted by MyIDonCBS at 09:16 AM : Sep 13, 2007

tell it to the fascist nazi terrorislamists haji... they are the ones that declared global war on all non muslims... but you knew that already... right haji...

Hizbullah Deputy Sec-Gen Sheikh Naim Qassem: We Have Jurisprudent Permission to Carry Out ''Martyrdom'' Operations, Fire Missiles on Israeli Civilians From Ayatollah Khomeini
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD154907

Switching Sides: Inside The Enemy Camp

But then in 2000, well before his arrest, something happened which would make Abas question everything he believed in: a fatwa, a religious edict, was issued by Osama bin Laden.

"It should be understood that killing Americans and Jews anywhere found are the highest act of worship and the highest form of good deeds in the eyes of Allah," Simon quotes bin Laden.

Abas and his fellow commanders were ordered to read the fatwa to their men and make sure they carried it out. The others obeyed, but Abas refused. It was his moment of truth. He firmly believed that jihad was to be fought only on the battlefield in defense of Islam; he had always been taught that the killing of civilians had nothing to do with holy war and that it was forbidden.

The fatwa justified killing non-Muslim civilians everywhere.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/04/60minutes/main2761108.shtml?source=RSSattr=60Minutes_2761108

[lars008-2009]

Posted by hungry1968 at 09:19 AM : Sep 13, 2007

the war is legal haji... demonic-rat hero al bore says it is so...

the resumption of hostilities was only a matter of time since iraq broke the ceasefire agreement.....

blame saddam for iraq%u2026%u2026. Even clintoon and the dems wanted the resumption of hostilities back in 1998

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq''s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

Moreover, no international law can prevent the United States from taking actions to protect its vital interests, when it is manifestly clear that there is a choice to be made between law and survival. I believe, however, that such a choice is not presented in the case of Iraq. Indeed, should we decide to proceed, that action can be justified within the framework of international law rather than outside it. In fact, though a new UN resolution may be helpful in building international consensus, the existing resolutions from 1991 are sufficient from a legal standpoint. - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/gore/gore092302sp.html

[starleo146]

Posted by lars008 at 09:08 AM : Sep 13, 2007

I would just settle to getting out of Iraq where we had no business being at all do you smart one of these airways have a clue to get us out of that mess please answer oh king of spam.

[lars008-2009]

We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. Ben Franklin

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Ben Franklin

We make war that we may live in peace. Aristotle

It is an unfortunate fact that we can secure peace only by preparing for war. John F. Kennedy

There''s a graveyard in northern France where all the dead boys from D-Day are buried. The white crosses reach from one horizon to the other. I remember looking it over and thinking it was a forest of graves. But the rows were like this, dizzying, diagonal, perfectly straight, so after all it wasn''t a forest but an orchard of graves. Nothing to do with nature, unless you count human nature. Barbara Kingsolver

They have not wanted Peace at all; they have wanted to be spared war -- as though the absence of war was the same as peace. Dorothy Thompson

There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy. George Washington

I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain. John Adams

[lars008-2009]

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. John Stuart Mill

It is well that war is so terrible, or we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

A self-respecting nation is ready for anything, including war, except for a renunciation of its option to make war. Simone Weil

If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace. Thomas Paine

Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realise that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events. Winston Churchill

One ought never to turn one''s back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Winston Churchill

[radiob-2009]

please answer oh king of spam.
Posted by starleo146


Seven and Lars are having a contest on who can post the most dribble.