White House Calls Bin Laden "Impotent"
Bush Adviser Mocks Power Of Al Qaeda Leader But Experts Say Propaganda Messages Are Potent
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White House Homeland Security Advisor Frances Townsend taunted Osama bin Laden, saying the newly-released video showed the al Qaeda leader to be "virtually impotent" in terms of his threat to America. Terror experts and critics of the Bush administration said otherwise. (AP)
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The provocative characterization Sunday came just days after bin Laden attracted international attention with the release of a video in which he ridicules Mr. Bush about the Iraq war and reminds the world that he has not been captured.
Ahead of the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist strikes, White House aide Frances Fragos Townsend made a clear attempt to diminish the influence - or the perception - of the man who masterminded those attacks.
"This is about the best he can do," Townsend, the White House Homeland Security Advisor, said of bin Laden. "This is a man on a run, from a cave, who's virtually impotent other than these tapes."
In appearances on two Sunday talk shows, she used the "virtually impotent" reference both times, suggesting the language was chosen with careful purpose.
"We know that al Qaeda is still determined to attack, and we take it seriously," Townsend said. "But this tape appears to be nothing more than threats. It's propaganda on their part."
Townsend was considerably more direct than even Mr. Bush in rebuking bin Laden. The U.S. president responded to bin Laden's tape last week by saying it was a reminder that the world is dangerous and that Iraq is part of the war against extremists. He never identified bin Laden by name.
The consensus of the top U.S. intelligence analysts is that bin Laden's terrorist network is anything but impotent.
Terrorism experts say the network is regrouping in the lawless Pakistan-Afghanistan border region. The latest National Intelligence Estimate says al Qaeda is growing in strength, intensifying its efforts to put operatives in the United States and plotting against U.S. targets that will cause massive casualties. The United States is in a "heightened threat environment" and al Qaeda is the most serious threat, the analysts found.
The tape was the first time bin Laden had appeared in a new video since 2004. In the recording, bin Laden tells Americans they should convert to Islam if they want the war in Iraq to end. He makes no overt threats and does not directly call for attacks.
What he is trying to say is that he is under no pressure from the Americans. The Americans are failing in their effort to kill him, and in their effort to destroy al Qaeda."
"While he may be physically contained, his influence is not bounded by any physical barriers," said Thomas Sanderson, an authority on terrorism at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
"Obviously, in a sense, it does not matter that we've got him trapped in a cave. He has sent forth enough messages to incite violence worldwide against us," he said in an interview Sunday.
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See all 52 CommentsLEAVE ALONE HE CAN HELP US MAKE ANS STEAL MORE MONEY. WHY ?? THIS IS THE REASON HE HAS BEEN LEFT ALONE AND NO ONE HUNTTING HIM DOWN.
Bush Tells Barnes Capturing Bin Laden Is %u2018Not A Top Priority Use of American Resources%u2019
Weekly Standard editor Fred Barnes appeared on Fox this morning to discuss his recent meeting with President Bush in the Oval Office. The key takeaway for Barnes was that %u201Cbin Laden doesn%u2019t fit with the administration%u2019s strategy for combating terrorism.%u201D Barnes said that Bush told him capturing bin Laden is %u201Cnot a top priority use of American resources.%u201D Watch it.
Bush%u2019s priorities have always been skewed. Just months after declaring he wanted bin Laden %u201Cdead or alive,%u201D Bush said, %u201CI truly am not that concerned about him.%u201D Turning his attention away from bin Laden, Bush trained his focus on Iraq %u2014 a country he now admits had %u201Cnothing%u201D to do with 9/11.
Capturing bin Laden, as Rep. Nancy Pelosi recently pointed out, will not necessarily make America safer because it would come five years too late. Yet, capturing or killing the man responsible for 9/11 should remain a high pr
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I was a fanatic...I know their thinking, says former radical Islamist
By blaming the Government for our actions, those who pushed this "Blair''s bombs" line did our propaganda work for us.
More important, they also helped to draw away any critical examination from the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=465570&in_page_id=1770
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Our Prophet commanded us to fight the kaafirs when we are able and to attack them in their homelands and to give them three choices before we enter their lands: either they become Muslim and be like us, sharing our rights and duties; or they pay the jizyah (poll tax) and feel themselves subdued; or they fight, in which case their wealth, women, children and homes become permissible as booty for the Muslims.
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This could be applied to Bush or bin Laden.
If he''s so impotent why can''t we capture him? Do we need some viagra ourselves?
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! March 23, 1775 Patrick Henry
Patrick Henry was an Amero-terrorist stupid. Just ask the British occupiers.
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the war that fascist nazi terrorislamic muslims started rages on 1400 years later...
The Truth about Islamic Crusades and Imperialism
Historical facts say that Islam has been imperialistic%u2014and would still like to be, if only for religious reasons. Many Muslim clerics, scholars, and activists, for example, would like to impose Islamic law around the world. Historical facts say that Islam, including Muhammad, launched their own Crusades against Christianity long before the European Crusades.
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Origin of Islam
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Origin+of Islam%3A Secular History
Of course, as has been reported, when at school, the Emperor found history a "dry and boring" subject and slept through it all without learning anything, which, come to think of it, sums up the Emperor''s entire academic career!
LONG LIVE "NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND"!!
SIG HEIL, BUSH!!!
Posted by realpatriot1
No. Patrick Henry was a patriot, dolt. You''re confused. Just like the secularists are confused that the constitution is a living and breathing instrument that can be manipulated to suit whatever the current progressive beliefs are.
This could be applied to Bush or bin Laden.
Posted by IOWEIN
Really, well now I find it quite interesting that we managed to get his tape before the Arab newscasters did. Why all the little terror ****** closed their sites down because they couldn''t figure out how that happened. Impotent? The man can now be a commercial for hair dyes, that''s how impotent he is. Incidentally, he''s got the Dimnowit philosophy nailed down to a tee. Why you''d think he was running on the Dimnowit ticket with his global warming, subprime mortgage disaster, et al. It''s right out of the Dimnowit playbook.
"The consensus of the top U.S. intelligence analysts is that bin Laden''s terrorist network is anything but impotent."
Gee, who to believe?
Posted by mudrose at 09:17 AM : Sep 10, 2007
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How do you fascist manage to get through the day. I mean I''ve heard some stupid statements from you Blame and Excuse Nazi''s but this one takes the cake. I would ask that EVERY American read this post and think about what this poor Fascist is saying. She is SO desperate to find some reason to get you to hate the "Dimowit''s"... Well just read it for yourselves and that''s all that''s necessary. OUR OWN Intel tells us that Bin Laden is running a TRAINING CAMP in the Mountains near or in AFGANISTAN. They tell us that he has COMPLETELY rebuilt his strenght and that we are LOSING the fight against him. These are EXPERTS folks and not some slimey little Nazi who care''s more for their Party than America. Sieg Heil Bush!!
Posted by mudrose at 09:13 AM : Sep 10, 2007
WHAT are you babbling about? EVERY and I repeat EVERY issue that divides this nation is the product of you Religious Nazi''s. Let me help you out here Swastika Breath. Do you remember U.S. Grant? He was President of these United States... Listen to what he said in Des Moines IA in 1876, "Keep the church and state forever separate". Now I got on a bus and rode it to Selma during the 60''s. I KNOW first hand what Religion can do when the Government is allow to take one citizens position over another. It was called "Equal but Different" and it was taught to EVERY school child in the South. They were taught that it was okay to lynch and bomb people because they didn''t "stay in their place". Now I sure HOPE you are NOT saying we should allow our courts to go back to interpeting our Constitution as they did during that time? Sieg Heil and Amen!!
Now the Republicans (and many Democrats) have us afraid of the bogeyman. Our fathers and grandfathers fought two of the most feared military machines in history and defeated them both. alQaeda pales in comparison to either. We have allowed ourselves to be manipulated by Rove, Bush, and Cheney and their politics of division and fear. alQaeda is a pin-prick on a horse''s arse not a viable threat to anyone''s security. The can hold no territory unless we give it to them and they cannot realistically threatened any modern day army. They kill woman and children.
They are a bunch of nut cases led by the BinLaden the Wacko who are incapable of living in the modern age and want to return to an era that only exists in their delusional minds. If we actually put the same effort into defeating their outmoded ideas and resolving their societal issues as we do their minor military apparatus; they would be just another wacko fringe group. But then Bush''s fear mongering would not exist and his true agenda of greed would be exposed.
You are a confused, belligerent, delluded and should be institutionalized being. I wouldn''t even put human next your being because you are full of venom and rattle on like a snake. Religious freed was important to the founders, because they did indeed believe it was the first liberty and without it, no freedom, no liberty could exist at all. How fanatics like the islamofascists turn religion to suit an end to a purpose is not religions fault. So take you Swastika Breath, Nazi inferences and shove them up your azz. You haven''t a clue what you are talking about.
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If possible, burn wood for heat and seek alternative, DECENTRALIZED sources of energy in your every day life (solar PV panels, hybrid autos etc)
if possible, grow some of your own food..
SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL ECONOMY !! even better, develop means of commerce that are not based on the fraudulent, federal reserve-based US currency...
DIVEST FROM THE GLOBAL WORLD ORDER!
Just goes to show how little understanding Bush has of anything to do with Bin Laden, 9-11 or the current disaster in Iraq.
From the perspective of Americans Patrick Henry is a patriot; from the perspective of the British he was a terrorist. From the perspective of America the Jihadists are terrorists but to Muslims who see our military occupying their land and Israelis occupying what''s left of their former land, we are the terrorists. When everyone is practicing violence and control, terrorism is in the eye of the beholder.
Do you understand the point I was trying to make now, dolt?
Posted by parrot2
I''ll make a deal with you. When you shut up, I will. How''s that? It''s very tiring to constantly hear people like you and the rest of the progressive dolts constantly tear down this country. You are equally as redundant.
Posted by realpatriot1
From the perspective of people like you who don''t know the difference between then and now, your point is ridiculous. Patrick Henry did not go about blowing up innocent women and children, forcing them to embrace an ideology. So your point is typical of dolts like you.
Posted by mudrose
you making deals?
this ain''t "Deal Or No Deal"
The consensus is for you to shut up, period.
Your hatred has been acknowledged by many.
Playing the innocent victim is lame.
The headline should read:
"Posters Agree Mudrose Impotent"
this ain''''t "Deal Or No Deal"
The consensus is for you to shut up, period.
Your hatred has been acknowledged by many.
Playing the innocent victim is lame.
The headline should read:
"Posters Agree Mudrose Impotent"
Posted by rushlimpdrug
Took too many aspirins limpy? I don''t care what the consensus of one like you says. It doesn''t matter. You don''t like it don''t respond. The fact that it pisses you off only states that it''s true. You people just keep pissing nonsense day in and day out mindlessly with never ending rants on Bush the Emperor, The Imperalist Presidency etc. You people haven''t a clue what you are talking about but profess to know it all. And little polly wanna just innocently asks ridiculous questions too. Hey how about when the Sudan offered UBL up to Clinton on a silver platter. There he was right in the open. And the Sudan offered him at least 10 times. Why didn''t the hick from Arkansas take advantage of it then? Could we possibly have prevented 9/11 altogether. Please.
Posted by tnichlsn
That''s exactly how I felt about the Dimnowit debates and now because they are so lame they are debating in Spanish.
'' ... if you want seven billion songs and dances and get well soon bouquets, just bomb vanhatten and they will be yours, but why bother, you can have them anyway just by asking for them ... ''
Posted by mudrose
You have looked at more ways of skrewing Bill Clinton than Monica and the rest put together ever did.
Your fixation with him is troubling.
Get help.
Get a life.
This is 2007 for most of us.
You can take the blue dress of anytime now.
BUSH ON BIN LADEN:
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01
"I want justice...There''s an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, ''Wanted: Dead or Alive,''"
- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI
"I don''t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don''t care. It''s not that important. It''s not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden''s whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
We''re wasting a trillion dollars and thousands of lives in Iraq while Bin Laden continues to build and strengthen Al Qaeda, plan new attacks, and even put out press releases! Looks like the impotent one is Bu$h.
Aw, what''s the matter limpy, can''t believe your Demagogue Billy the Witless couldn''t care less about the rule of law. He sold nukes to the Chinese. What - you forgot about those Clinton/Chinese Scandals. He and his buddy, Gore the Bore and the Buddhist Temple scandals. They always play innocent once they are caught.
BUSH ON BIN LADEN:
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01
"I want justice...There''s an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, ''''Wanted: Dead or Alive,"
- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI
"I don''''t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don''''t care. It''''s not that important. It''''s not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden''s whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
We''re wasting a trillion dollars and thousands of lives in Iraq while Bin Laden continues to build and strengthen Al Qaeda, plan new attacks, and even put out press releases! Looks like the impotent one is Bu$h.
Thanks to Bill Clinton, China can now hit any city in the USA, using state-of-the-art solid-fueled missiles with dead-accurate, computerized guidance systems and multiple warheads.
China probably has suitcase nukes as well. These enable China to strike by proxy %u2013 equipping nuclear-armed terrorists to do its dirty work while the Chinese play innocent. Some intelligence sources claim that China maintains secret stockpiles of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons on U.S. soil, for just such contingencies.
In 1997, Clinton allowed China to take over the Panama Canal. The Chinese company Hutchison Whampoa leased the ports of Cristobal and Balboa, on the east and west openings of the canal, respectively, thus controlling access both ways.
A public outcry stopped Clinton in 1998 from leasing California''s Long Beach Naval Yard to the Chinese firm COSCO. Even so, China can now strike U.S. targets easily from its bases in Panama, Vancouver and the Bahamas.
How did the Chinese catch up so fast? Easy. We sold them all the technology they needed %u2013 or handed it over for free. Neither neglect nor carelessness is to blame. Bill Clinton did it on purpose.
To this end, Clinton appointed anti-nuclear activist Hazel O''Leary to head the Department of Energy. O''Leary set to work "leveling the playing field," as she put it, by giving away our nuclear secrets. She declassified 11 million pages of data on U.S. nuclear weapons and loosened up security at weapons labs.
Federal investigators later concluded that China made off with the "crown jewels" of our nuclear weapons research under Clinton%u2019s open-door policy %u2013 probably including design specifications for suitcase nukes.
Meanwhile, Clinton and his corporate cronies raked in millions.
In his book "The China Threat," Washington Times correspondent Bill Gertz describes how the system worked.
Defense contractors eager to sell technology to China poured millions of dollars into Clinton''s campaign. In return, Clinton called off the dogs. Janet Reno and other counterintelligence officials stood down while Lockheed Martin, Hughes Electronics, Loral Space & Communications and other U.S. companies helped China modernize its nuclear strike force.
"We like your president. We want to see him re-elected," former Chinese intelligence chief Gen. Ji Shengde told Chinagate bagman Johnny Chung.
Clinton''s top campaign contributors for 1992 were Chinese agents; his top donors in 1996 were U.S. defense contractors selling missile technology to China.
Clinton recieved funding directly from known or suspected Chinese intelligence agents, among them James and Mochtar Riady, who own the Indonesian Lippo Group; John Huang; Charlie Trie; Ted Sioeng; Maria Hsia; Wang Jun and others.
Commerce Secretary Ron Brown served as Clinton''s front man in many Chinagate deals. When investigators began probing Brown''s Lippo Group and Chinagate connections, Brown died suddenly in a suspicious April 1996 plane crash.
Needless to say, China does not share Clinton''s enthusiasm for globalism or multipolarity. The Chinese look out for No. 1.
"War [with the United States] is inevitable; we cannot avoid it," said Chinese Defense Minister Gen. Chi Haotian in 2000. "The issue is that the Chinese armed forces must control the initiative in this war."
Bill Clinton has given them a good start.
Richard Poe is a New York Times best-selling author and cyberjournalist.
Yah know, it''s those Big Corporate Giants of the Bush-Cheney type that has really put this country in jeopardy. I''m so looking forward to another Clinton in the White House.
BUSH ON BIN LADEN:
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01
"I want justice...There''''s an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, ''''''''Wanted: Dead or Alive,"
- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI
"I don''''''''t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don''''''''t care. It''''''''s not that important. It''''''''s not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden''''s whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
We''''re wasting a trillion dollars and thousands of lives in Iraq while Bin Laden continues to build and strengthen Al Qaeda, plan new attacks, and even put out press releases!
Looks like the impotent one is Bu$h.
If the story you refer to was written by a corespondent for the Wahington Times, I give it as much credibility as Senator Craig saying "I''m Not Gay"
Posted by nolalou
It really doesn''t matter what you think or believe. He''s a credible source. See it''s like saying Hsu is a legitimate contributor to the Clinton campaign.
Posted by parrot2
Aw, polly wanna I''m no insinuating anything. It''s all out there in the public record but, I agree, the Clintons should be persecuted and jailed and even executed. Now you just rant on and on with your stupid contentions like Bush should raid China garbage. See, the point is, the dimnowits have harmed this country gravely and yet you don''t see it because Mr. Clintoid didn''t give a ***** about the rule of law and just did what he did by relaxing this or that policy. He did it like the sneak he was and is.
Neither party is in a position to criticise the other for allowing Chinese access to our sensitive intelligence because both have been lax.
You blame Clinton, for example, for loosening up security at nuclear weapons labs. Recent events have shown that they''re just as loose today.
Neither party has stood in the way of Defense contractors selling to overseas markets, including to the Chinese and neither party has done anything to police trade shows where Chinese spys give our military equipment the complete once over.
I respectfully disagree with the dubious conclusion that China posed no military threat before 1993. Have you forgotten all of Neil Bush''s Chinese business deals and Reagan''s defense contractor buddies China deals?
Both parties have been part of the problem; the real question is which is going to do something about it and that''s still an unanswered question.
Osama plays the roll of Lex Luthor.
Only the brilliant mind of Lex Luthor could plan and carrying out 911 with nothing more that a few box knives while the majestic, all-powerful, superman (Bush) was sitting on his kryptonite and doing nothing to stop the attacks during the long length of time it took to complete.
Superman (Bush) immediately recognized Lex Luthor as the culprit and dashed off to Afghanistan to bring him in to face justice and the American way.
The brilliant Luthor secretly placed a tiny bit of kryptonite inside superman%u2019s earphone, just enough to addle him, causing him to immediately switch his attack to Saddam/Iraq, where he showed his super powers by swiftly defeating Saddam and landing on an aircraft carrier, wearing his cape, and a banner flashing, %u201Cmission accomplished%u201D.
BTW, The earphone is the reason superman makes so many blunders when making speeches or addressing audiences. Can you imagine how confusing it can be trying to make a speech and listen to voices in your ear at the same time, especially if you believe it is God speaking to you?
It might even cause one to take the wrong direction exiting stage.
I know that you would prefer to talk about Clinton and China but let''s get back to the subject of the article.
How is it that we had Bin Laden in our sites at Tora Bora(according to the CIA agents on the scene), we have aerial recon that can track a license plate from space, the Pakastani troops on the other side of the border are our "#1 allies in the war on terror", and he still got away with his large contingent?
How does that work for you?
GW has the support of his wife and his cabinet. nobody lese in the country believes a word he says.
The world would be a better place with out either of them
Clinton could not have sold anything to China without the Congress being complicit. Considering that he was dealing with a Republican majority Congress for his entire Presidency, it''s safe to assume that any sale or tranfer of intelligence would have gotten a lot more of their attention than Monica''s dress. The sale of the U.S. to China has been going on for decades, but it has accelerated exponentially under Bush because of the record national debt his administration has initiated in their zeal to cut taxes for businesses and high income contributors. There''s plenty of blame to spread, so don''t single out Clinton in your obsessive need to demonize all Democrats and idolize all Republicans.
Polly wanna, whah, whah, whah, blah, blah, blah. UBL is waiting for your to convert. Be a good little Dimnowit and crossover.
Queen George even claims that we are fighting al Qaida...this has cost the United States over half a trillion dollars, thousands of deaths and tied up the US military for years...Considering the fact that he has only limited resources...that sounds pretty potent ju-ju from where I sit...particularly considering the fact that the Asian and Saudi press has reported him dead for over five years and whose tedious tapes have contained only a lot of old footage, few if any exhortations for his alleged jihadists or attempts to use his ''star power'' as a recruitment tool..."Bin Laden Wants You!"...
Bin Laden is the Emmanuel Goldstein of the Stupid Peoples'' War. One simply cannot kill the dead...unless one lives in George Bush''s War Pig Toon Town...Troops Home Now! And bring some ''Dip'' for these stinking Toons...
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