Kennedy: Bush Stalling On Iraq Decision

Massachusetts Senator Accuses Bush Of Leaving Iraq War For The Next President

(CBS/AP)  The Bush administration is leaving the ultimate decision on whether to keep troops in Iraq to the next president, Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., said Sunday on Face The Nation.

"It's clear that ... this administration is trying to delay the ultimate judgment till the next president gets into office, that's what this president has said, and then let them take the burden on it," Kennedy told Bob Schieffer.

U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker and Gen. David Petraeus are expected to warn Congress on Monday that making any significant changes to the current war strategy will jeopardize the limited security and political progress made so far.

Later in the week, Mr. Bush plans a national address.

"I mean, we thought we had a president that was the decider, and all we're finding out now is the first judgments were going to be made in the early summer, midsummer, late summer," Kennedy said. "Now it looks like General Petraeus is going to ask for six more months."

Kennedy was among a handful of lawmakers who voted against giving Bush authority to invade Iraq nearly five years ago.

"I was against the war, I continue to be against the war, and I'm going to do everything I possibly can to bring American troops home at the earliest possible time," Kennedy said.

Kennedy said that U.S. troops are being held hostage by Iraqi politicians who have not made progress on national reconciliation.

"We have been a crutch for too long," Kennedy said. "We have been the survival blanket for the Iraqi government, and the only way they're going to make the tough decisions and judgments is to start bringing those troops home."

[prinzowhales]

Kennedy just told us the obvious--and look at the mainstream Democratic candidates all in one form or another for dragging out this war--with Edwards and Obama perhaps the most insidious... Edwards plan to continue the war is disguised as 18 months more of war as part of some kind of wishy-washy-wild-and-wacky ''withdrawal'' scam and Obama saying we need to hang around to "take out" 20,000 "activist extremists".

The sheer villainy of Bush and his supporters lie in the fact that he is not only going to leave the next president with the burden of Iraq, but with the fallout--literally, of an attack on Iran with which to contend.

Troops Home Now! The Republic is betrayed! Restore the Constitution! Down with the Washington Regime! Restore the Constitutional Republic!

[ubrew12]

Bush fails another business that someone else has to bail out?

And your point is??

[ioweign]

Shouldn''''t this pig be in jail for drunk driving and murder.
Posted by b48151 at 03:11 PM : Sep 09, 2007


Yes - Alberto couldn''t cover up Bush''s DWI and Iraq should be War Crimes !!

[mcvet]

Shouldn''''t this pig be in jail for drunk driving and murder.
Posted by b48151 at 03:11 PM : Sep 09, 2007

Well is there some court that has convicted him of any crime? That''s the way it work''s in a Democracy you pathetic Swastika Hugger. Why don''t you be honest puke face? Why don''t you come out and TELL people you don''t want them to listen to this man, instead of insulting everyone''s intelligence. I know you Fascist fall for this junk all the time...otherwise how does Senator Wide Stance get into office... But please do not drag the rest of us down to your 2 bit hooker status! Nazi''s ARE disgusting!! Sieg Heil Bush!! Come on get out that hood and sheet and help me!! SIEG HEIL and HATE for all who do not follow the FUHRER!!

[jerr11]

Bush is the decider, we elected him to be our decider and he''s DECIDED that the war is going to go on until he leaves office,

And then the porr suck-r who takes over will be known to history as the guy who lost Iraq!

Brilliant strategy!

It''s the kind of strong decision we''ve come to expect from our decider.

[sharncedar]

Shouldn''''''''t this pig be in jail for drunk driving and murder.
Posted by b48151 at 03:11 PM : Sep 09, 2007

Actually it is relevant. We are in the trouble we are in because of men like Kennedy, who knew better but collaborated anyway. For example, many of the red-neck Christian representatives really don''t know any better and really believed Bush''s lies that Islam was some great threat to us, whereas Kennedy knew full well it was lie, and went along to help out the big defense contractors and the big banking interests.

His is a far greater crime, may God grant us the day he sees his trial and his justice.

[omega39-2009]

%u201CHe was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999,%u201D said author and journalist Mickey Herskowitz. %u201CIt was on his mind. He said to me: %u2018One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.%u2019 And he said, %u2018My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.%u2019 He said, %u2018If I have a chance to invade%u2026.if I had that much capital, I%u2019m not going to waste it. I%u2019m going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I%u2019m going to have a successful presidency.%u201D

[likeitis5050]

Of course...and as deluded as he is, he really believes simply passing on to someone else what he is accountable for will leave him unmarked. He has never been 100% accountable for even one mess he''s made. This is the mark of a great leader? Not even close.

[pilgrimsway-2009]

Come on! Either you and I would be heartbroken for one soldier losing His life. What makes you think the president does not feel the same pain. Anyone who thinks our president does not have a conscious aught to have his head examine. The citizens of Iraq need help. Not to be left to genocide as Ted Kennedy says He would do. What morals are being communicating here?

[usaisdway98]

Teddy,

when are you going to jail?

Quite soon, we who don''t roll over for ILLEGAL ALIENS or appease Islamonazis hope.

Some of us haven''t forgotten Chappaquidick, you fat drunk intern killer.

Too bad the Kopechnes felt money was more important than the blood of their daughter. And too bad Joan Kennedy, a once beautiful woman, had to drink herself to instability because of a cowardly old fa*rt like you.

Typical Democrat. Either a Pervert, a Coward, a Racist, a Traitor, or ALL of the above.

[ioweign]

Posted by USAisdway98 at 05:08 PM : Sep 09, 2007

All that stall tapping and no replies !!

[socrates392]

Typical Democrat. Either a Pervert, a Coward, a Racist, a Traitor, or ALL of the above.

Posted by USAisdway98 at 05:08 PM : Sep 09, 2007

Huh? I think ya may have mixed up your parties there bub . . .

[toldyouso21]

Kennedy knew full well it was lie, and went along to help out the big defense contractors and the big banking interests.

His is a far greater crime, may God grant us the day he sees his trial and his justice.
Posted by SharnCedar at 03:51 PM : Sep 09, 2007


Kennedy voted against going to war and spoke out against the potential for not only the present situation but also the potential misuse of power by the President. What exactly did you expect him to do--take out President Bush and rid America of this troublesome man? He did all he could: Spoke out, voted no, tried to convince his colleagues. IN fact over 127 Congressmen voted no----what you need to seriously question are all the yea votes and all the yea votes that continue to be yea even after we acknowledge the reasons we first went in was based on lies.

[toldyouso21]

The citizens of Iraq need help. Not to be left to genocide as Ted Kennedy says He would do. What morals are being communicating here?
Posted by pilgrimsway at 05:07 PM : Sep 09, 2007


Iraqi citizens need help from Bush, like a woman who gets knocked up after being raped needs the rapist to be her delivery coach. Get a clue--WE caused all of this. WE should take responsibility, stop acting like Iraqis have to step up to any plate or that Europe or anyone else should help us, this is our clusterfvck and people tend not to trust or want to rely on blundering clusterfvckers to help fix the mess they caused.

[pilgrimsway-2009]

Dear toldyouso2,
How come you always only take half a quote? Are you afraid of posting the whole truth?

[pilgrimsway-2009]

We caused 911! Yes!. We caused all the troubles in the world yes! wait were is the truth for others to know and not yourself to dictate.

[j-whitman]

The White House is lying to America & our Troops again ----
-- Political reconciliation has to come 1st - Not security,,,, Then & Only then can they begin to get the Iraq''i Army & Police up to speed. It could take another 3 or 4 years.

If you can''t trust this lying dishonorable White House on Iraq,,, You can''t trust them on Iran or what they say on Isreal or any other foreign policy issue either.

[bluestardad]

BUSH HAS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN BIN LADEN....

BY THE WAY THE BIN LADENS AND HOUSE OF SAUD ARE BUSH FAMILY FRIENDS!

WHEN IS AMERICA GOING TO FIGHT THE TRUE ENEMY?

REMOVE THE NEOCONS AND THEIR SUPPORTERS FROM AMERICA!

[mcvet]

Seems Bin Laden has an ally in America..THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!
Posted by b48151 at 07:03 PM : Sep 09, 2007

How''s that? I spent a year and 26 days in Combat and I can not remember catching the enemy when you aren''t even in the same COUNTRY. So tell us Swastika Breath, since the Democrats what to shift focus back to pursuit of Bin Laden how that makes him their ally. You really aren''t the sharpest tool in the old shed there are you sparky? In fact I''ll give you even odds that you haven''t a clue what to post other than Blame someone else! Sieg Heil Y''all. ROFLMAO

[mcvet]

We caused 911! Yes!. We caused all the troubles in the world yes! wait were is the truth for others to know and not yourself to dictate.
Posted by pilgrimsway at 05:52 PM : Sep 09, 2007
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Hey Swastika Hugger, tell us what the dickens 9/11 has to do with Iraq? I sure hope you aren''t one of these Dumb as rocks losers who still hang onto the lie told by Cheney. If so it''s been disproved so many times and for so long it makes you look absolutely rediculous!! Sieg Heil and Amen.

[mcvet]

You are a disgrace to the human race azz hole.
Posted by b48151 at 06:53 PM : Sep 09, 2007
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How''s that Swastika Hugger? YOu fascist say this garbage about anyone and everyone who doesn''t agree with you but you NEVER say how you come to that conclusion. so tell us you pathetic Nazi why am I, a combat Veteran, an Azz Hole? Sieg Heil and Amen. COME ON there Swastika Breath.. Grab that cross, get the sheets on and lets hear it! SIEG HEIL and Hate to all who do not agree with the Fuhrer!!! Now doesn''t that make you feel so good? ROFLMAO Dumb as a box of rocks!! ROFLMAO

[mcvet]

Hamhocks (the ****) adores her autographed picture of a sober teddy suitable for framing.

Kombat kerry still looking to get his own portrait with medals to present to harvard or whomever.

Jane (hanoi) offers to paint by number with Ho chi arm in arm. To include action shot on VC antiaircraft gun.



Posted by stonebog at 06:57 PM : Sep 09, 2007

Do you losers EVER have anything orginal to post. It''s the same tired old hate, the same tired old blame and the same tired old excuse''s. It''s Boring!! Maybe you need to update that Magic Swastika Sparky??? ROFLMAO Oh tell us what your Fuhrer, Bush was doing while Kerry was being shot at? ROFLMAO You''re an embarrassment even for trailer trash!! ROFLMAO Sieg Heil and bring the Rope!! ROFLMAO

[mcvet]

Quite soon, we who don''''t roll over for ILLEGAL ALIENS or appease Islamonazis hope.

Some of us haven''''t forgotten Chappaquidick, you fat drunk intern killer.

Too bad the Kopechnes felt money was more important than the blood of their daughter. And too bad Joan Kennedy, a once beautiful woman, had to drink herself to instability because of a cowardly old fa*rt like you.

Typical Democrat. Either a Pervert, a Coward, a Racist, a Traitor, or ALL of the above.
Posted by USAisdway98 at 05:08 PM : Sep 09, 2007


So let me see if I understand you here, since you didn''t agree with the citizens of the State of Mass who elected Kennedy and since you did not agree with the courts, we''re supposed to ignore the Senator and believe you? Did your mother drop you on your head when you were little? How does an American become such a full blown Nazi? No wonder you losers elected Senator Wide Stance! Anyone who cares this much for their party and so little for America has to enjoy a bout with Senator Wide Stance!! So tell us how does it feel to know you swallowed all that snake oil from someone who is WORSE than those you hate so bad? ROFLMAO Anyone who would buy that trash has no room to talk about KENNEDY!! ROFLMAO Sieg Heil and Amen!! ROFLMAO Dumb as a box of rocks!!

[ravnslikbals]

Don''t worry Bush lovers - you have the laws all in your favor and no Democrat has the influence to get an impeachment process started. The same ole junk will go on, more innocent soldiers will die, the economy will final stall because the dump 1 has let financiers run the country.

In 10 years you''ll charges brought forward against this regime but nothing will happen since the Patriot act was enacted.

[mcvet]

The terrorist will be pulling for a Democratic 08 victory.
Posted by b48151 at 07:26 PM : Sep 09, 2007
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How do you know this? ROFLMAO Oh! Let me guess! You''re playing with your Magic Swastika you got at the Carl Rove Nazi Youth! Right? ROFLMAO No? Well then you MUST be attending meetings with Bin Laden or he''s communicating directly with you? No? Ah! You''re following the Fuhrer''s directions and LYING!! I get it now. Sieg Heil and hate everyone who doesn''t agree with my Fuhrer!! ROFLMAO How does someone THIS ignorant get through a day? ROFLMAO

[mcvet]

Flying Jets..What was your ol Buddy Bill Doing?Bad mouthin the country I bet.
Posted by b48151 at 07:29 PM : Sep 09, 2007
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ROFLMAO You need to get that Magic Swastika checked there Swastika Breath. The RECORD show''s he was Supposed to be in Ark helping with the election of a fascist governor or attending a Klan Rally or something... one thing for damned sure he wasn''t in COMBAT with the rest of us!! ROFLMAO Question? You sound like a Skinhead.. are you one of those low life people? ROFLMAO Sieg Heil and hate all who won''t agree with the Fuhrer!!

[mcvet]

MCVET..I''''ts easy..Just listen to your rant and raves.Sounds like a rabid Dog.
Posted by b48151 at 07:23 PM : Sep 09, 2007

Where am I wrong Swastika Breath. YOU can''t handle anyone''s view except the Reich. You can''t deal with anyone who doesn''t agree with you... what about being a Nazi do you NOT understand? Everyone who doesn''t agree with you is an EVIL "Liberal" isn''t that right? Everything that''s wrong in this country is because of "LIBERAL''s" right? That''s called FASCISM and it''s an INSULT to all our greatest leaders who happen to have been LIBERAL. Now is that beyond your ablility? Sieg Heil and Amen. You aren''t very intelligent are you? I mean anyone who doesn''t at least respect the views of others isn''t intelligent at all.

[ravnslikbals]

If by Terrorist you mean 75% of the popular vote will vote democratic yeah I guess you''re right psycho.

MCVET - you passing this off as Marine Corp as in Semper Fi??? You sound more like the Men''s Core a homosexual party club in San Francisco.

ROTFWMDIYF

[mcvet]

I have fought the Religious Reich and Southern Fascist my entire life and there''s one constant. They can not deal with facts! When they can bully everyone into agreeing with them they are fine but when someone stands up and says NO you are wrong, your division and hate is wrong, they are left without any defense and have only what these losers on here have... simple childish trash meant to keep people from listening to each other. That''s what''s wrong with the Country today and why this nation is so divided. Sieg Heil Bush!!

[mcvet]

MCVET - you passing this off as Marine Corp as in Semper Fi??? You sound more like the Men''''s Core a homosexual party club in San Francisco.

ROTFWMDIYF
Posted by ravnslikbals at 07:41 PM : Sep 09, 2007

Why woud you say that? Because I call attention to a low life like Senator Wide Stance? ROFLMAO Frankly I find him and all the Hypocrits he used like 2 bit ****** to be about as funny as anything I have ever seen. There is no end to the joy I have had sticking it to the Religious Reich and the Southern Fascist on this and many other issues. By the way who are you to challenge my service to this nation? Because I don''t fit your narrow view of what YOU think a Veteran should be? Sieg Heil Bush!! Come on you Fascist help me out here! Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil! combat Vet, USMC, RVN, 1968-69

[ravnslikbals]

ROTFLMAO

I''ve read most of your posts - all I can say is you need some serious drugs to help with your mental disorder. Did you suffer a serious injury when you were at the Men''s Core?

[lars008-2009]

it is fascist nazi terrorislam stupid%u2026.

non muslims of the world unite... fight against the tyranny of the fascist nazi terrorslam imperialist empire of the darkside...

I was a fanatic...I know their thinking, says former radical Islamist
By blaming the Government for our actions, those who pushed this "Blair''s bombs" line did our propaganda work for us.
More important, they also helped to draw away any critical examination from the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=465570&in_page_id=1770
Bless the Beasts and Children
Fascist nazi terrorslam kills every man woman and child in the village again%u2026 typical mo for terrorslam%u2026
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/bless-the-beasts-and-children.htm

Our Prophet commanded us to fight the kaafirs when we are able and to attack them in their homelands and to give them three choices before we enter their lands: either they become Muslim and be like us, sharing our rights and duties; or they pay the jizyah (poll tax) and feel themselves subdued; or they fight, in which case their wealth, women, children and homes become permissible as booty for the Muslims.
http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=13759&ln=eng&txt=before%20islam%20arabia%20pagan

the truth about fascist nazi terrorislam...
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/

[jowand]

Sieg Heil Bush!! Come on you Fascist help me out here! Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil! combat Vet, USMC, RVN, 1968-69
Posted by MCVet at 07:46 PM : Sep 09, 2007

ZIG HELL , still pedling your Nazi Kr*p I see McVet

[starleo146]

Posted by MCVet at 07:29 PM : Sep 09, 2007

Way to go McVet I totally agree.

[starleo146]

Posted by MCVet at 07:32 PM : Sep 09, 2007

This is the way they do mcvet pile on the neocon dummies, war loving idiots, bush loving idiots, they need to go to Iraq and help Bush out and stop blaming the democrats we didn''t cause this sh*t ignorance is bliss but in their case it is just plain ignorance.

[name_verify]

Bush: Kennedy Stalling on Chappaquiddick Decision

[starleo146]

MCVET - you passing this off as Marine Corp as in Semper Fi??? You sound more like the Men''''''''s Core a homosexual party club in San Francisco.

ROTFWMDIYF
Posted by ravnslikbals at 07:41 PM : Sep 09, 2007

Can you believe the republican sexual pervert party is calling you a **** man you think by now they would know the difference see what I mean by ignorant.what does that name mean ravens like balls sound a little message sending to me.

[name_verify]

MCVet has been identified as "dont ask dont tell".

[pilgrimsway-2009]

Where was God on sept 11. He was glued to the TV set to the horror that was unfolding. His heart was breaking to the scenes that where taking place. He was unable to dictate what man should do. He was open to the hearts that responded to the truth that they are loved. He was opened to the people wanting His will. There are some who want there own will and you see where that gets us a 911!

[pepperp1]

This is a waste of energy and time Bush, nor his co conspirators Republican members in Congress, nor his rabid base have any intention of changing course and without 17 Senators changing their vote Democrats can not change course in Iraq and guess what the chicken hawks will not budge.

All Dems, Ind and non Rabid Republican need to move on politically, the economy is in massive trouble and our infrastructure is under attack from extreme weather and this is only going to worsen. So shake it off get ready to move on, being suckered into this sham of events is a no more than a distraction, no minds are being changed its and act a dance for the GOP sick base.


It will be the next President who will clean up this Bush disaster he is incapable of ending this war competently. Yes much more blood, dead soldiers, dead Iraqis but banging your head into a wall will not help our soldiers live, but this is a democracy and they have the votes so again work to rid our elected offices of this amoral cultist party that is the GOP.

[jetranger7]

After Bush & Cheney leave, I believe there should be a Bill Introduced, that''ll make Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, Rice and a host of others, go to Iraq and end up on the Frontlines, without any Vests, and only a BB Gun !!! Whats good for our soldiers, and Americans is Definetly Good for these Idiots as well, Frontlines Mr. Bush & Cheney, your headed to the Front Lines in the Hott Zone, get ready !!!

[pepperp1]

This is a waste of energy and time, Bush, nor his co conspirators Republican members of Congress, nor the rabid GOP base have any intention of changing course. Without 17 Senators changing their vote Democrats can not change course in Iraq and guess what the chicken hawks will not budge.



It will be the next President who will clean up this Bush GOP Iraq disaster; the President is incapable of ending this war competently. Yes much more blood, dead soldiers, dead Iraqis but banging your head into a wall will not help our soldiers live.

This is a democracy and the Republican obstructionist will stick together and STAY THEIR COURSE.


Our power is in removing them from office when we go to the polls spend your money, your energies on your party and your candidates. Get off the dysfunctional chaos merry go round being orchestrated by Bush and his GOP. Write your own

Aging infrastructure and the impacts of severe weather on our cites.

Pensions and Soc Sec Trust Fund being raided who to stop the drain.

Alternative energy policy

Weaning off of foreign oil and capital.

Impacts of the Artic meld and oil under the caps and the US Security and position in the world.

And on and on.

[tylenol6]

Kennedy is another Bush kiss *** and another sellout
to the american people......

[toldyouso21]

Dear toldyouso2,
How come you always only take half a quote? Are you afraid of posting the whole truth?
Posted by pilgrimsway at 05:49 PM : Sep 09, 2007


I post half a quote, to leave the majority of the room to respond to a certain point. But since I do reference the person and the time, all those with even .0001/10 of a brain can look back and read the rest if they want to. THIS should be obvious but ...obvious things rarely make sense to those who fail to think.

[toldyouso21]

We caused 911! Yes!. We caused all the troubles in the world yes! wait were is the truth for others to know and not yourself to dictate.
Posted by pilgrimsway at 05:52 PM : Sep 09, 2007


We created the mess in Iraq. Our invasion created a vacuum that resulted in everyone from everywhere trying to exploit the area and people.

2. Our invasion and bombing of Iraq destroyed the infrastructure so effectively that it has never even been brought back to prewar levels

3. Our presence and favortism to various groups ensured sectarian jealousy and violence and change Saddam''s selective murdering tenure into our indiscriminate wholesale, everyone can be tortured and/or killed clusterfvck

4. We expect Iraqis to be grateful for all of this AND to help us conquer them and show our war in successful.

5. We expect Iraqis and the world to make Iraq right and to step up and cooperate with us in our goals for them--even though these goals were imposed through war

Is that clear enough for you, stupid azz?

[toldyouso21]

The citizens of Iraq need help. Not to be left to genocide as Ted Kennedy says He would do. What morals are being communicating here?
Posted by pilgrimsway at 05:07 PM : Sep 09, 2007


Iraqi citizens need help from Bush, like a woman who gets knocked up after being raped needs the rapist to be her delivery coach. Get a clue--WE caused all of this.

[toldyouso21]

Seems Bin Laden has an ally in America..THE REPUBLICAN PARTY! (AS EVIDENCED BY Bush ignoring Bin Laden and saying he was not a priority and disbanding the search unit tasked with finding Bin Laden AND the anger of the Republican Congress when the Democratic party brought the issue up again in 2006 and insisted the search unit be restored and funded again.)
Posted by b48151 at 07:03 PM : Sep 09, 2007

No need to thank me. I''m sure you wanted those corrections as you wouldn''t want to look like some sort of lying party line following azz schmoozing prick.

[hamiltongrad]

TAlk about HYPOCRITES in the Senate.
IS THERE A BIGGER HYPOCRITE?
TAX DODGE IN THE SOUTH PACIFIC.
What me worry ?


I have read that the Kennedy family has a massive TRUST fund in Tahiti, so that all of the wealth from generations before and to come, will NOT BE TAXED. This is the same SEN. that wants you and me to pay even more . I would rather have a wide stance Senator that one who "cheats" all of us, by not paying his fair share of taxes.
To CBS : Please do a 60 Minutes on Senatory K. finacial TRUST FUND DODGE. I am sure you are planning the same, and waiting to surprise all of us just before the election.

[glossypan]

Debating 101: when your opponent presents a seamless, evident truth, an irrefutable argument, an unnassailable message -- attack the meesenger.

[sgtrds]

The one thing I like about a Kennedy news story is that it gives the frustrated right wingers a place to vent. Sure it''s venting out of complete jealousy that the Kennedy name will go down in American politics alongside of the greats, the giants that made this nation America like Lincoln, Washington and Roosevelt, whereas the right wing has names like Hoover, Nixon and Bush to live down. Let them prattle on about the comparative few weaknesses of the great political leaders in our nations history (history is already moving Bill Clinton into that select group), because they''re all just so humiliated that their side is left with the sh*it, the droppings of American politics. If they had any brains (or balls) at all they''d drop the losers that exemplify their side and come out of the darkness to the truth of the worlds future, progressives.