BERLIN, Sept. 5, 2007

Germans Thwart Plot Against U.S. Base

3 Terror Suspects Arrested In Alleged Plot Against Ramstein, Frankfurt International

  • Video Massive Islamist Bomb Plot

    German authorities capture three suspected Islamic terrorists believed to be behind a massive, imminent bomb plot. Charlie D'Agata reports from London.

  • Video Terror Plot Foiled

    German authorities say they have foiled plans by an Islamic militant organization to carry out large-scale attacks on U.S. Air Base Ramstein and Frankfurt International Airport. Mark Phillips reports.

    • An unidentified man, believed to be a terror suspect, is led away by masked police at the German Federal Court in Karlsruhe on Sept.5, 2007. Photo

      An unidentified man, believed to be a terror suspect, is led away by masked police at the German Federal Court in Karlsruhe on Sept.5, 2007.  (AP)

    • An unidentified man believed to be a terror suspect, center, wearing handcuffs, is led away at the German Federal Court in Karlsruhe on Sept. 5, 2007. Photo

      An unidentified man believed to be a terror suspect, center, wearing handcuffs, is led away at the German Federal Court in Karlsruhe on Sept. 5, 2007.  (AP Photo/Michael Probst)

    • The holiday home in the village of Oberschledorn, western Germany, Sept. 5, 2007, where three men were arrested by police on suspicion of terrorism on Tuesday. Photo

      The holiday home in the village of Oberschledorn, western Germany, Sept. 5, 2007, where three men were arrested by police on suspicion of terrorism on Tuesday.  (AP Photo/Frank Augstein)

    • This April 2003 file photo shows aircraft traffic at U.S. Air Base Ramstein in Germany. German officials said on Sept. 5, 2007, that they had arrested three men suspected of plotting to attack Ramstein and a major German airport. Photo

      This April 2003 file photo shows aircraft traffic at U.S. Air Base Ramstein in Germany. German officials said on Sept. 5, 2007, that they had arrested three men suspected of plotting to attack Ramstein and a major German airport.  (AP Photo/Michael Probst)

    • Danish police and police technicians work in a cordoned-off a street in the Noerrebro district of Copenhagen, Denmark, during a search on Sept. 4, 2007. Photo

      Danish police and police technicians work in a cordoned-off a street in the Noerrebro district of Copenhagen, Denmark, during a search on Sept. 4, 2007.  (AP Photo/Polfoto/Lars Nyboll)

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(CBS/AP)  Three militants from an Islamic group linked to al Qaeda were planning "massive" bomb attacks against Americans in Germany when an elite antiterrorist unit raided their small-town hideout, officials said Wednesday.

Officials said the arrests capped a six-month investigation and stopped a massive - and imminent - plan to bomb targets that included Frankfort Airport and the U.S. Ramstein Air Base, the transit point for thousands of American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, reports CBS News foreign correspondent Richard Roth.

Prosecutors said the suspects - two German converts and a Turkish citizen sharing a "profound hatred of U.S. citizens" - had military-style detonators and enough material, including hydrogen peroxide, to make bombs more powerful than those that killed 191 people in Madrid in 2004 and 52 commuters in London two years ago.

German Federal Prosecutor Monika Harms said the suspects arrested Tuesday were aiming at institutions and establishments frequented by Americans in Germany, including discos, pubs and airports. Her office said the plan was to set off car bombs.

"We were able to succeed in recognizing and preventing the most serious and massive bombings," Harms said at a news conference.

A judge has ordered that the three suspects be held pending trial.

The three suspects first came to the attention of authorities because they had been caught observing a U.S. military facility in Hanau, near Frankfurt, at the end of 2006, officials said.

Roughly two million Turks lived in Germany as of 2004 - and the area of the arrests holds the country's largest Turkish population, reports CBSNews.com's Christine Lagorio from Berlin.

All three had undergone training at camps in Pakistan run by the Islamic Jihad Union, and had formed a German cell of the group, which officials said was influenced by al Qaeda.

FBI Special Agent Richard Kolko told CBS News Wednesday that U.S. officials "see no imminent threat to the U.S. domestically following these arrests."

Kolko added that no further information on the case would come from U.S. officials.

The Islamic Jihad Union was described as a Sunni Muslim group based in Central Asia that was an offshoot of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, an extremist group with origins in that country.

"The group, which is influenced by al Qaeda, set up a German cell in winter of 2006 with the goal of finding recruits here to carry out attacks," Harms said.

The three had no steady work and were collecting unemployment benefits while their main occupation was the plot, officials said.

"This group distinguishes itself through its profound hatred of U.S. citizens," Joerg Ziercke, head of the Federal Crime Office, Germany's equivalent of the FBI, said at the news conference.

(AP Photo/Frank Augstein)
He said members of Germany's elite GSG-9 anti-terrorist unit arrested two suspects at a holiday home in central Germany (seen at left) on Tuesday.

A third suspect fled through a bathroom window but was apprehended about 300 yards away.

The arrests come a day after Denmark's intelligence service arrested eight Islamic militants linked to leading al Qaeda figures in anti-terror raids in the Danish capital, according to the head of the agency.

The men, between ages 19 and 29, were suspected of preparing a terror act involving explosives, said Jakob Scharf, the head of Denmark's PET intelligence service.

German authorities gave no indication early Wednesday of any links to the arrests in Denmark. The two countries share a short border where northern Germany meets the south of Denmark.

Wolfgang Bosbach, a top legislator for Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats, said that "the suspects had been under observation by security officials for a long time"

"Consequently, we know without any doubt that they were planning attacks that would have had considerable consequences," he told N24 television, adding that the three had acquired chemicals for the plot.

Bosbach said an attack could have occurred "in a few days" and pointed out the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks next week, as well as deliberations by the German parliament in the next few weeks over whether to extend its troop mandates in Afghanistan.

"We are in a highly sensitive period," he said.

On March 10, 2007, the Global Islamic Media Front - know for producing a high volume of terrorist propaganda - released a video demanding the governments of Germany and Austria withdraw their troops from Afghanistan. The video, found in March by CBS News, said if the demand was not met the countries would face the threat of being attacked at home.

"Wise people do not destroy their security by their own hands," the statement read in the video said.

Meanwhile, the European Union's top justice official said Wednesday the threat of a terror attack remained high in the 27-nation bloc.

EU Justice and Home Affairs Commissioner Franco Frattini said the EU executive would push ahead with plans to set up an EU-wide airline passenger data recording system modeled on a system developed by the United States, despite privacy concerns voiced by some EU parliamentarians.

"It's a useful tool to protect our citizens, who deserve the same protection as U.S. citizens," Frattini told the European Parliament.

Other measures in the works include a plan to set up an EU-wide explosive database to provide an early warning system on lost or stolen explosives that could end up in the hands of terror groups, and new provisions to deal with the misuse of the Internet by terrorists, Frattini said.

"The threat of new terror attacks continues to be high," Frattini said, citing Spain, Italy, Belgium, Britain and Germany as countries where the risk has been the highest.

Germany, which did not send troops to Iraq, has been spared terrorist attacks like the train and subway bombings in Madrid and London - although its involvement in the attempt to stabilize Afghanistan has led to fears it might be targeted.

In July 2006 two gas bombs were placed on commuter trains but did not explode. Officials said that attack was motivated by anger over cartoons portraying the Prophet Muhammad in a Danish newspaper. Several suspects are on trial in Lebanon, and a Lebanese man has been charged in Germany.


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by feelfree1 September 5, 2007 2:48 AM PDT

Will this turn out to be like the fake physician "terrorist" attacks recently in Britian, where at least 3 of the alleged attackers were released without charge?
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by lars008-2009 September 5, 2007 3:26 AM PDT
it is fascist nazi terrorislam stupid%u2026.

non muslims of the world unite... fight against the tyranny of the fascist nazi terrorslam imperialist empire of the darkside...

I was a fanatic...I know their thinking, says former radical Islamist
By blaming the Government for our actions, those who pushed this "Blair''s bombs" line did our propaganda work for us.
More important, they also helped to draw away any critical examination from the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=465570&in_page_id=1770
Bless the Beasts and Children
Fascist nazi terrorslam kills every man woman and child in the village again%u2026 typical mo for terrorslam%u2026
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/bless-the-beasts-and-children.htm

Our Prophet commanded us to fight the kaafirs when we are able and to attack them in their homelands and to give them three choices before we enter their lands: either they become Muslim and be like us, sharing our rights and duties; or they pay the jizyah (poll tax) and feel themselves subdued; or they fight, in which case their wealth, women, children and homes become permissible as booty for the Muslims.
http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=13759&ln=eng&txt=before%20islam%20arabia%20pagan

the truth about fascist nazi terrorislam...
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/
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by drinuk September 5, 2007 6:19 AM PDT
FeelFree1. There''s no Smoke without Fire, whilst there was no evidence to hold the other suspects, there was certainly a good reason for the initial arrests. O.J. Simpson!
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by mcvet September 5, 2007 6:21 AM PDT
It''s nice to know that there are former friends that will help American''s out although with our War of Agression in Iraq, that to will soon fade. The citizens of Germany, like most of our former friends find the present day Republican Party and George Bush to be FASCIST and as such it is MUCH more likely that those people will NOT stop attacks in the future. Sieg Heil Bush!
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by radiob-2009 September 5, 2007 6:42 AM PDT
Good job Germany.
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by xlib September 5, 2007 7:03 AM PDT
Well, you didn''t dissapoint me, feelfree1 or mcvet.
One idiot refusing to admit that there is terrorism (guess it just hasn''t hit him) and the other idiot who blames Bush for everything.
Mcvet, look back in history, dipwad. There were terrorist attacks BEFORE we went into Iraq. These islamofacists do not just want to destroy us, they want to destroy Western civilizan.
Now, just what did Denmark do to these islamofacists?
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by gunnerv1 September 5, 2007 7:08 AM PDT
The worst thing is "They walk among us"!
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by formrusmcsgt September 5, 2007 7:21 AM PDT
Germany has proven once again that terrorism isn''t stopped with a standing army, it''s stopped with good police work.
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by radiob-2009 September 5, 2007 7:22 AM PDT
Will this turn out to be like the fake physician "terrorist" attacks recently in Britian, where at least 3 of the alleged attackers were released without charge?

Posted by FeelFree1


A interwoven world wide conspiracy to arrest people, frame them for attempting or actually carrying out a "terrorist" attack.

Aimed at what? What is the goal of this worldwide org.?


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by bwright923 September 5, 2007 7:44 AM PDT
All I can say is I love the Germans! I frequent both Ramstein and Frankfurt International. I thank you for keeping us Americans safe. I hope to move there within the year and this only encourages me to do so!
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by nexgen99 September 5, 2007 7:59 AM PDT
The solution to this problem is to recognize that Islam is incompatible with the civilized world and to DEPORT THEM, DEPORT THEM, DEPORT THEM, they belong back in their own countries living in the dark ages. This satanic cult they call a religion is a disease that needs to be eradicated.
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by gkc99 September 5, 2007 8:11 AM PDT
Europe is paying the price for their insane Muslim immigration policies. It is a wakeup call for the USA--Muslim immigration must be sharply limited, if not terminated. Nobody has any right whatsoever to immigrate to the USA. 10 million illegal Mexicans cause far, far less trouble than a relative handful of immigrant Muslims.

Germany has not become involved in Iraq, has denounced the US invasion, but they are still a target. Why--because they are not Muslim, will not surrender to the religious fascists that want to force you at gunpoint to put your face in the dirt and say words in Arabic to the Muslim god, who supposedly lives in Arabia.

George Bushit is fascistic, but the Arab and Iranain Muslim societies are totalitarian, far worse than anything even Bushit could devise in taking away our freedoms. In Muslim countries, you have no freedom. Period.
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by DaveGress September 5, 2007 8:14 AM PDT
What makes you think being liberal makes people less concerned with being safe? How can you be so ignorant? I want our troops to be HERE to protect us. Not in Iraq where it would take months for them to set things up here.

I can''t thank god, fictional characters do nothing for you, people do. I thank the Germans!
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by jowand September 5, 2007 8:15 AM PDT
George Bushit is fascistic, but the Arab and Iranain Muslim societies are totalitarian, far worse than anything even Bushit could devise in taking away our freedoms. In Muslim countries, you have no freedom. Period.
Posted by gkc99 at 08:11 AM : Sep 05, 2007

Give me an example of an actual tangible freedon you''ve lost under Bush?
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by jowand September 5, 2007 8:18 AM PDT
can''''t thank god, fictional characters do nothing for you, people do. I thank the Germans!
Posted by degress12 at 08:14 AM : Sep 05, 2007

Which side of the border issue are you on, pro illegal immigration or against illegal immigration?
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by formrusmcsgt September 5, 2007 8:19 AM PDT
Give me an example of an actual tangible freedon you''''ve lost under Bush?

Posted by jowand at 08:15 AM : Sep 05, 2007

How about the right to not have your home searched without ever having been charged with a crime. How about the right to privacy in your correspondence without ever having been charged with a crime?

Need more? Read the "Patriot Acts" I and II.
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by nexgen99 September 5, 2007 8:21 AM PDT
What makes you think being liberal makes people less concerned with being safe? How can you be so ignorant? I want our troops to be HERE to protect us. Not in Iraq where it would take months for them to set things up here.
Posted by degress12 at 08:14 AM : Sep 05, 2007
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degress12, we already have plenty of troops stationed here on American bases to protect us. We can''t wait for them to attack us again we have to take the fight to them on our terms not theirs.
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by jowand September 5, 2007 8:22 AM PDT
Germany has proven once again that terrorism isn''''t stopped with a standing army, it''''s stopped with good police work.
Posted by formrusmcsgt at 07:21 AM : Sep 05, 2007

Terrorism is a multi headed snake, how do you think even good dedicated police work without the military is going to cut the head off the snake.
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by DaveGress September 5, 2007 8:22 AM PDT
Can''t say I''m in favor of illegal immigration. After all its ILLEGAL.
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by radiob-2009 September 5, 2007 8:26 AM PDT
Over two weeks ago Iraqis had there "defining" moment when over 500 Iraqis were murdered in northern Iraq. It was their 9-11, where is there declaration of war? Where is there unity?
Why have they not imposed "gas rationing" with gas rationing ids, odomenter readings, gas locks etc. to thwart the "suicide attacks" ? When are they going to Stand Up?

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by gkc99 September 5, 2007 8:26 AM PDT
"Give me an example of an actual tangible freedon you''''ve lost under Bush?"
Posted by jowand


Secret spying within the US without even the pitiful formality of a FISA warrent, issued in secret. Massive FBI violation of the Constitution ("mistakes") under the command of Decider Bushit. Wiretapping and electronic surveillance. Gathering of records like credit card receipts into huge, secret databases so the Federales know all aspects of your life.

A total disregard for Constitutional freedoms and a contempt for the Constitution characterizes the Bushit / Chickenshit administration.
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by formrusmcsgt September 5, 2007 8:27 AM PDT
Terrorism is a multi headed snake, how do you think even good dedicated police work without the military is going to cut the head off the snake.
Posted by jowand at 08:22 AM : Sep 05, 2007

Germany''s military has no credit for disrupting the plans.

Terrorism (guerilla or assymetrical war) has NEVER been defeated with a standing army.

The Phillipines and Colombia have been failing at it for 40 years.

Guatemala failed at it for 36 years.

We failed at it in Viet Nam for 12 years.

The USSR failed at it for 12 years in Afghanistan.

We have been failing with it for 5 years in Afghanistan and 4 1/2 in Iraq.

You obviously understand neither history nor military strategy.
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by DaveGress September 5, 2007 8:27 AM PDT
OK, who has the flag that we need to capture in Iraq to WIN? Can all you genius''s figure that one out for me?
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by jowand September 5, 2007 8:28 AM PDT
How about the right to not have your home searched without ever having been charged with a crime. How about the right to privacy in your correspondence without ever having been charged with a crime?

Need more? Read the "Patriot Acts" I and II.
Posted by formrusmcsgt at 08:19 AM : Sep 05, 2007

You have the same rights now that you had under the previous adminisration. You never have had the right to not have your home searched when not charged with a crime, probable cause and a court order is what is needed. Actually more as you don''t have a computer based in the UK sifting through your correspondence as there was in the 1990s/
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by jetlizhan September 5, 2007 8:31 AM PDT
hooray! 3 more s.o.b.''s caught. good work, security people.
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by DaveGress September 5, 2007 8:31 AM PDT
To formrusmcsgt: The key to your statements seems to be FAILURE. Do you mean that govenrments never learn? That they should let these people fight it out amongst themselves? With out any intervention? But wait, in the other conflicts you mention what was the motivating factor? Here the stated purpose is Freedom for Iraqi''s (but everyone thinks it''s oil revenue''s and we CAN"T leave without recouping our costs).
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by formrusmcsgt September 5, 2007 8:33 AM PDT
You have the same rights now that you had under the previous adminisration. Posted by jowand at 08:28 AM : Sep 05, 2007

Oh really now...then why were these acts passed in the first place? They were not passed to ensure our rights-we alrady had those protections in place. They were passed to modify those protections. You are obviously as blind as you are ignorant.
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by formrusmcsgt September 5, 2007 8:37 AM PDT
To formrusmcsgt: The key to your statements seems to be FAILURE. Do you mean that govenrments never learn? That they should let these people fight it out amongst themselves? With out any intervention? But wait, in the other conflicts you mention what was the motivating factor? Here the stated purpose is Freedom for Iraqi''''s (but everyone thinks it''''s oil revenue''''s and we CAN"T leave without recouping our costs).
Posted by degress12 at 08:31 AM : Sep 05, 2007

Anyone who employs a defective military strategy will lose the engagement. Military force is not effective against assymetrical warfare.

I do not promote isolationism. Neither do I promote the misapplication of military force.

Terrorism is defeated by underminind recruitment.

Using a standing army in this scenario is like trying to control a cockroach infestation by killing them one by one with a sledgehammer as they come out of the wall.

Sure, you''ll kill some, but you don''t stop the infestation until you stop the breeding process.
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by jowand September 5, 2007 8:37 AM PDT
We have been failing with it for 5 years in Afghanistan and 4 1/2 in Iraq.

You obviously understand neither history nor military strategy.

Posted by formrusmcsgt at 08:27 AM : Sep 05, 2007

The terrorists see this a generational war, Bush said so much right after 911. He said it would take on all shapes in combating and defeating terrorism. Police, courts, alliances, military. Problem is you want instant success and it isn''t going to happen no matter who is President or who is running Congress. We have an enemy which want to obliterate our way of life and is prepared to do anything to do this. Your running around blaming Bush for everything and anything doesn''t change this on iota. I do understand it took the Brits many years to defeat a less determined enemy in Malaya than the one the world is facing presently. You can''t just use the courts, they are a part of the solution. Yelling anti Bush or anti Clinton slogans and spewing hate filled political garbage is not a solution just a distraction
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by gkc99 September 5, 2007 8:38 AM PDT
"Actually more as you don''''t have a computer based in the UK sifting through your correspondence as there was in the 1990s/
Posted by jowand

You''ve kept yourself in a fine state of ignorance. Right wing ideologues usually do.

Never hear of Echelon and Carnivore? What do you think these programs exist for? Reading menus at a Chinese restaurant?

You''re either ignorant, or a liar. Or both, like your Decider, Georgie Bushit.
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by nexgen99 September 5, 2007 8:40 AM PDT
formrusmcsgt If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. Stop being paranoid.
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by lars008-2009 September 5, 2007 8:42 AM PDT
what do you call an ideology that:

kills you if you don''t join it...

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=82201&ln=eng&txt=islam%20law%20kill%20kaafir

kills you if you leave it...

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=696&ln=eng&txt=kaafir%20kill

kills you if you don''t do what they tell you to do..

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=6035&ln=eng&txt=kaafir%20kill

kills you if you speak against it%u2026.

http://islamqa.com/index.php?QR=22809&ln=eng

kills anybody that is not a member of it...

http://www.hauns.com/~DCQu4E5g/koran5.html

still practices slavery

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=12562&ln=eng&txt=slavery

still practices pagan rituals...

http://answering-islam.org/Silas/pagansources.htm

allows the r a p e of babies and animals...

http://www.homa.org/default.asp?TOCID=2083225445

a. satanic cult???
b. islam???
c. all the above???

Our Prophet commanded us to fight the kaafirs when we are able and to attack them in their homelands and to give them three choices before we enter their lands: either they become Muslim and be like us, sharing our rights and duties; or they pay the jizyah (poll tax) and feel themselves subdued; or they fight, in which case their wealth, women, children and homes become permissible as booty for the Muslims.
http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=13759&ln=eng&txt=before%20islam%20arabia%20pagan
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by formrusmcsgt September 5, 2007 8:43 AM PDT
The terrorists see this a generational war, Bush said so much right after 911.
Posted by jowand at 08:37 AM : Sep 05, 2007

Apparently, neither you nor Bush have read OBL''s declaration of war written in 1996 or you would never attribute the cause to being "generational".

If you read it, you won''t have to rely on Bush''s say-so as to what it''s all about. You''ll get the objectives straight from the horse''s mouth.
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by jowand September 5, 2007 8:50 AM PDT
Using a standing army in this scenario is like trying to control a cockroach infestation by killing them one by one with a sledgehammer as they come out of the wall.

Sure, you''''ll kill some, but you don''''t stop the infestation until you stop the breeding process.
Posted by formrusmcsgt at 08:37 AM : Sep 05, 2007

The present day terrorism got its start in the 1930s with the Muslim Brotherhood. An Egyptian Muslim was in the US attending a University and was so applalled at the things he saw in main stream USA. He left and went home, he eventually started the Muslim Brotherhood the precurser to AL Quaeda, Zahwahiri is a member of the Brotherhood and an Eygptian. There isn''t anything you can do to stop these people other than have the US radically change its culture. Bin Laden''s terms for leaving us alone are we convert to Islam, his form of Islam. These people don''t even like what you would consider a moderate muslim.
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by jowand September 5, 2007 8:54 AM PDT
If you read it, you won''''t have to rely on Bush''''s say-so as to what it''''s all about. You''''ll get the objectives straight from the horse''''s mouth.
Posted by formrusmcsgt at 08:43 AM : Sep 05, 2007
+ report abuse

A good book to read is Osamas Revenge" written by a non political type. You can read in their own words, verbatum, going back many years what they are going to do to the civilized world. It''s not about Bush it''s about Islamist Terrorism.
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by ioweign September 5, 2007 8:57 AM PDT
formrusmcsgt If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. Stop being paranoid.
Posted by nexgen99 at 08:40 AM : Sep 05, 2007

degress12, jowand and nexgen99,

Enlist if you think invading Iraq makes you "Safer".

After all, "If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. Stop being paranoid."


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by DaveGress September 5, 2007 9:00 AM PDT
Whoa there IOWEIGN . I already did my time in the military. And it was good. I''m for bringing the troops home. Remember I''m the one that wants this group to tell me whose flag we need to capture to WIN. Gime that answer...please!
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by jowand September 5, 2007 9:03 AM PDT
Apparently, neither you nor Bush have read OBL''''s declaration of war written in 1996 or you would never attribute the cause to being "generational".

If you read it, you won''''t have to rely on Bush''''s say-so as to what it''''s all about. You''''ll get the objectives straight from the horse''''s mouth.
Posted by formrusmcsgt at 08:43 AM : Sep 05, 2007


Islam was on the march into Eastern Europe from 1345 to 1683 where they defeated by an army of all things. Colonialism slowed Islam down for 300 years. Islam, a chameleon, is now on the March again.
Anywhere you decide to stand and fight these crazies you are going to get suicidal loonatics doing what they are doing in Iraq, Israel, Afghanistan the Philipines.
Ranting and ravings about Bush, Rumsfield, Clinton, Tennant don''t change the terrorists goals.
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by DaveGress September 5, 2007 9:03 AM PDT
Hey lars008 - I agree. Islam has supplanted money as the root of all evil.
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by jowand September 5, 2007 9:06 AM PDT
Whoa there IOWEIGN . I already did my time in the military. And it was good. I''''m for bringing the troops home. Remember I''''m the one that wants this group to tell me whose flag we need to capture to WIN. Gime that answer...please!
Posted by degress12 at 09:00 AM : Sep 05, 2007

They don''t capture flags anymore, John Wayne is dead,the terrorists don''t wear uniforms. When you kill a terrorists you just killed a civilian and he, though dead. will be on CNN just to prove you killed a civilian.
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by ioweign September 5, 2007 9:06 AM PDT
Whoa there IOWEIGN . I already did my time in the military. And it was good. I''''m for bringing the troops home. Remember I''''m the one that wants this group to tell me whose flag we need to capture to WIN. Gime that answer...please!
Posted by degress12 at 09:00 AM : Sep 05, 2007

My mistake - I have my time in too - I am just tried of some of these posts from individuals who have no idea what military service is about ! Plus, Bush was planning the Iraq invasion 10 days after he was sworn into office. No connection to 9/11. Just aggression !
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by nexgen99 September 5, 2007 9:12 AM PDT
My mistake - I have my time in too - I am just tried of some of these posts from individuals who have no idea what military service is about ! Plus, Bush was planning the Iraq invasion 10 days after he was sworn into office. No connection to 9/11. Just aggression !
Posted by IOWEIGN at 09:06 AM : Sep 05, 2007
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Sorry IOWEIGN I already served, 1967 - 1969 101st Airborne Hue Vietnam. Before you assume someone has no idea what miltary service is about you should ask them.
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by jowand September 5, 2007 9:12 AM PDT
My mistake - I have my time in too - I am just tried of some of these posts from individuals who have no idea what military service is about ! Plus, Bush was planning the Iraq invasion 10 days after he was sworn into office. No connection to 9/11. Just aggression !
Posted by IOWEIGN at 09:06 AM : Sep 05, 2007

If he was the eprevious administartion was doing the same thing. Quit peddling your military service to gain leverage.
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by briannorwood September 5, 2007 9:27 AM PDT
These IslamoIdiots in Germany better be careful. It wouldn''t take much of an excuse for the Germans to fire up the ovens again!
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by DaveGress September 5, 2007 9:28 AM PDT
So if there is no flag to capture when is the war over? Is the answer never? Seems the infidels in the middle east are just plain dumb then. Why fight for them? Perhaps, if there are people with brains over there, we could extridite them and leave the dumb dumbs to kill each other. After a period of time we come in a plant our flag and say "Capture that bee-awech"
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by lars008-2009 September 5, 2007 9:31 AM PDT
what do you call an ideology that:

kills you if you don''t join it...

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=82201&ln=eng&txt=islam%20law%20kill%20kaafir

kills you if you leave it...

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=696&ln=eng&txt=kaafir%20kill

kills you if you don''t do what they tell you to do..

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=6035&ln=eng&txt=kaafir%20kill

kills you if you speak against it%u2026.

http://islamqa.com/index.php?QR=22809&ln=eng

kills anybody that is not a member of it...

http://www.hauns.com/~DCQu4E5g/koran5.html

still practices slavery

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=12562&ln=eng&txt=slavery

still practices pagan rituals...

http://answering-islam.org/Silas/pagansources.htm

allows the r a p e of babies and animals...

http://www.homa.org/default.asp?TOCID=2083225445

a. satanic cult???
b. islam???
c. all the above???

Our Prophet commanded us to fight the kaafirs when we are able and to attack them in their homelands and to give them three choices before we enter their lands: either they become Muslim and be like us, sharing our rights and duties; or they pay the jizyah (poll tax) and feel themselves subdued; or they fight, in which case their wealth, women, children and homes become permissible as booty for the Muslims.
http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=13759&ln=eng&txt=before%20islam%20arabia%20pagan
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by fastfredy1 September 5, 2007 9:31 AM PDT
We should change some of our laws to allow summary executions for all captured terrorists. It''s time to show these animals what it means to terrorize peace loving people. I will gladly volunteer to hang everyone of them in public or just boil them in oil for all their wacko comrades to see. We are becoming too soft and stupid. The only language the terrorists understand is killing the innocent. So let us give them what they like. DEATH. They then can have their multiple virgins in their *** after-life that they love so much. Get them there as fast as possible. We are going to have to Nuke the mooslins sooner or later anyway. You can take that to the bank.
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by DaveGress September 5, 2007 9:34 AM PDT
Islamic terrorists are like The Terminator - All they do is kill and they will never stop.
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by ioweign September 5, 2007 9:35 AM PDT
We should change some of our laws to allow summary executions for all captured terrorists. It''''s time to show these animals what it means to terrorize peace loving people. I will gladly volunteer to hang everyone of them in public or just boil them in oil for all their wacko comrades to see. We are becoming too soft and stupid. The only language the terrorists understand is killing the innocent. So let us give them what they like. DEATH. They then can have their multiple virgins in their *** after-life that they love so much. Get them there as fast as possible. We are going to have to Nuke the mooslins sooner or later anyway. You can take that to the bank.
Posted by fastfredy1 at 09:31 AM : Sep 05, 2007


Slow down fastfredy ! How about trials ? It is getting hard to tell the good guys from the bad ones !!
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by jowand September 5, 2007 9:37 AM PDT
So if there is no flag to capture when is the war over? Is the answer never? Seems the infidels in the middle east are just plain dumb then. Why fight for them? Perhaps, if there are people with brains over there, we could extridite them and leave the dumb dumbs to kill each other. After a period of time we come in a plant our flag and say "Capture that bee-awech"
Posted by degress12 at 09:28 AM : Sep 05, 2007

You got it, flags don''t count anymore in war. This one is strictly a war for civilization, so that people can live their lives as they choose, worship or not worship a God without fear of some crazy bigot killing them for that choice. If you want to drink a beer, grow or not grow a beard. Eat a BLT, get into a taxi cab with a dog. Go to the beach and wear a swim suit or not.
It''s all about these kind of things, you''re going to lose them all. People should be free to agree or disagree, critisize anything they want without have a religion crazed loonatic thinking they have a fatwa to kill people.


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