Bush Defends Surge; Gets Some Reassurance

Australian PM, Hosting Bush At APEC Summit, Says His Troops Will Stay In Iraq

(CBS/AP)  President Bush vigorously defended his troop buildup in Iraq on Wednesday, and got a boost when Australian Prime Minister John Howard said his country's forces there won't change for the foreseeable future.

"Our commitment to Iraq remains," pledged Howard, one of Mr. Bush's few remaining staunch war allies. "This is not the time for any proposals of a scaling down of Australian forces." The two men spoke at a news conference.

Mr. Bush, his voice rising before he had even been asked a question about the war, spoke forcefully about the 30,000 additional American troops he sent to Iraq this year. His decision raised troop levels in Iraq to about 160,000.

"If I didn't think we could succeed, I wouldn't have our troops there," he said.

Mr. Bush said it was important "that we hang in there with the Iraqis and help them."

Australia participated in the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 and still has about 1,600 troops in and around the country, 550 of them in combat roles.

Howard is a staunch Iraq war ally, reports CBS News White House correspondent Peter Maer, but he faces a public that is increasingly sour about the Australian troop presence in Iraq. Howard also faces an aggressive challenge in elections expected to be called within three months.

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Complete Coverage: America In Iraq: The Road Ahead

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President Bush made a surprise, 8-hour stop in Iraq on the way to Australia and filled Howard in on what he learned. Like he does with U.S. lawmakers and coalition partners around the world, he urged that decisions about troops be based on conditions on the ground rather than internal politics.

"The security situation is changing," Mr. Bush said. "There's more work to be done. But reconciliation is taking place."

Mr. Bush returns to Washington this weekend ahead of an expected showdown with war opponents on Capitol Hill, kicked off next week with testimony from the top U.S. commander and diplomat in Iraq and their expected release of a progress report on the fighting.

Administration officials said Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, and Ambassador Ryan Crocker are recommending that Mr. Bush stand by his current war strategy. The officials also said the president is unlikely to order more than a symbolic cut in troops before the end of the year.

CBS Evening News anchor and managing editor Katie Couric spoke to Petraeus this week about one place the U.S. military says the surge is working; the city of Fallujah in Anbar province. Petraeus told Couric local anger at al Qaeda yielded the success.

Mr. Bush was spending much of Wednesday with Howard ahead of a 21-nation Asia-Pacific summit later in the week.

Later, Mr. Bush and Howard took a 20-minute boat ride across Sydney Harbor's choppy waters to Garden Island, where they had lunch with Australian troops under a tent.

"Thanks for making the sacrifice necessary for peace," the president told the Australian troops. "And we're going to win and we're going to succeed."

[lars008-2009]

it is fascist nazi terrorislam stupid%u2026.

non muslims of the world unite... fight against the tyranny of the fascist nazi terrorslam imperialist empire of the darkside...

I was a fanatic...I know their thinking, says former radical Islamist
By blaming the Government for our actions, those who pushed this "Blair''s bombs" line did our propaganda work for us.
More important, they also helped to draw away any critical examination from the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=465570&in_page_id=1770
Bless the Beasts and Children
Fascist nazi terrorslam kills every man woman and child in the village again%u2026 typical mo for terrorslam%u2026
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/bless-the-beasts-and-children.htm

Our Prophet commanded us to fight the kaafirs when we are able and to attack them in their homelands and to give them three choices before we enter their lands: either they become Muslim and be like us, sharing our rights and duties; or they pay the jizyah (poll tax) and feel themselves subdued; or they fight, in which case their wealth, women, children and homes become permissible as booty for the Muslims.
http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=13759&ln=eng&txt=before%20islam%20arabia%20pagan

the truth about fascist nazi terrorislam...
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/

[mikekleber]

It has been over 4 years since the invasion of Iraq. Many times people often forget the exact situation of an event over time. I have one question for Bush: What exactly did Saddam Hussein do to the United States to warrant the invasion? If you think about, Bush is like Saddam in many ways.

Both invaded another country, Saddam invaded Kuwait, Bush invaded Iraq. Both were elected under sketchy circumstances, no one ran against Saddam, the Supreme court put Bush in office in 2000. Both have killed members of his own country. Saddam the Kurds, Bush killed over 3000 soldiers in the army. Both considered themselves above the law doing whatever they pleased.

[tbweb]

Human nature is interesting. When someone starts a fight with you, you go all out to defeat them. When you start a fight with someone else, internally you know something is not right, something is wrong, you don''t have the same level of interest and energy for it especially if it drags out, it feels different, you don''t have the same kind of attitude you would have when you are attacked instead and it''s not the same kind of fight. That basically sums up the mood Americans have for the Iraq war! In order to get and keep Americans interested in this Iraq war and their fighting spirit "alive" we''re being told they attacked us but everyone knows Iraq did not! Bush administration efforts to motivate Americans for the Iraq war fail because Americans knows it wrong.

[bluestardad]

BUNGLE BOY WANTS AS MANY PEOPLE AROUND HIM AS POSSIBLE WHEN THE MUSIC STOPS!

HE LIKES STANDING IN THE DARK TELLING EVERYONE ELSE IT IS DAYLIGHT!

[lars008-2009]

the war is legal

the resumption of hostilities was only a matter of time since iraq broke the ceasefire agreement.....

blame saddam for iraq%u2026%u2026. Even clintoon and the dems wanted the resumption of hostilities back in 1998

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq''s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

Moreover, no international law can prevent the United States from taking actions to protect its vital interests, when it is manifestly clear that there is a choice to be made between law and survival. I believe, however, that such a choice is not presented in the case of Iraq. Indeed, should we decide to proceed, that action can be justified within the framework of international law rather than outside it. In fact, though a new UN resolution may be helpful in building international consensus, the existing resolutions from 1991 are sufficient from a legal standpoint. - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/gore/gore092302sp.html

[lars008-2009]

above the law doing whatever they pleased.
Posted by mikekleber at 04:29 AM : Sep 05, 2007

ARE PRESIDENTS ABOVE THE LAW???

wow, the president says he has the right to perjury????

President to Senate: Perjury is my right...
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_199901/ai_n8836610

[tbweb]

the war is legal

the resumption of hostilities was only a matter of time since iraq broke the ceasefire agreement.....

blame saddam for iraq%u2026%u2026. Even clintoon and the dems wanted the resumption of hostilities back in 1998

Posted by lars008 at 04:50 AM : Sep 05, 2007,,,

The Iraq War may initially have been legal, but after removing Saddam and discovering Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction the U.S. should have left or at a minimum redeployed. Dismantling the Iraqi Armed Forces and allowing mass looting and mayhem was a blunder. The U.S. botched it and it''s as simple as that, now we''re stuck in the desert quicksand!

[lars008-2009]

Posted by bluestardad at 04:43 AM : Sep 05, 2007

caps off haji...

fascist nazi terrorislam stays the course...

the war Muhammad ali baba started rages on 1400 years later...
623 - Battle of Waddan
623 - Battle of Safwan
623 - Battle of Dul-''''Ashir
624 - Muhammad and converts begin raids on caravans to fund the movement.
624 - Zakat becomes mandatory
624 - Battle of Badr
624 - Battle of Bani Salim
624 - Battle of Eid-ul-Fitr and Zakat-ul-Fitr
624 - Battle of Bani Qainuqa''''
624 - Battle of Sawiq
624 - Battle of Ghatfan
624 - Battle of Bahran
625 - Battle of Uhud. 70 Muslims are killed.
625 - Battle of Humra-ul-Asad
625 - Battle of Banu Nudair
625 - Battle of Dhatur-Riqa
626 - Battle of Badru-Ukhra
626 - Battle of Dumatul-Jandal
626 - Battle of Banu Mustalaq Nikah
627 - Battle of the Trench
627 - Battle of Ahzab
627 - Battle of Bani Quraiza
627 - Battle of Bani Lahyan
627 - Battle of Ghaiba
627 - Battle of Khaibar
628 - Muhammad signs treaty with Quraish.
630 - Muhammad conquers Mecca.
630 - Battle of Hunsin.
630 - Battle of Tabuk
632 - Muhammad dies.
http://www.carm.org/islam/islam_c
hronology.htm

[bluestardad]

BUSHIT IS TRYING TO FRAME THE DEBATE ON THE SURGE BEFORE CONGRESS MEETS ON IT!

ANY CONGRESSPERSON WHO VOTES TO FUND THIS WAR SHOULD BE FLOGGED FROM OFFICE IN DISGRACE!

[brianbwb-2009]

Posted by tbweb,

I''ll go you one more tbweb, once it was determined that Saddam had no WMDs, and therefore was no threat to his neighbors, every single death after that point, including Saddam''s lynching was unnecessary and illegal, as it was determined that Bush''s assertions were not true, therefore the continuance of military action was unjustified, and therefore illegal.

[lars008-2009]

Posted by tbweb at 04:59 AM : Sep 05, 2007

righttttttttt and when the next baath party saddam wannabee took over after that...

then you would still be ranting... good one...

why not rant that we are still in afghanistan, bosnia, korea, japan, germany...

[brianbwb-2009]

Tot Lars008
Heb jij neits meer originele te zeggen? Jij bent bezig mit "cut and paste" maar alles is verkeered, dan sitter nix te doen mit ons'' topiek. Vuile lul.

[brianbwb-2009]

why not rant that we are still in afghanistan, bosnia, korea, japan, germany...
Posted by lars008

We should have long ago gotten out of those places also, the people don''t want us there, and we don''t want to continue to waste our money there.

[lars008-2009]

Posted by brianbwb at 05:14 AM : Sep 05, 2007

it is no surprise the belgian b''srd brian is drunk again...

belgians don''t drink beer... they shower in it...

[lars008-2009]

We should have long ago gotten out of those places also, the people don''''t want us there, and we don''''t want to continue to waste our money there.
Posted by brianbwb at 05:18 AM : Sep 05, 2007

apparently they do... everytime we threaten to leave they beg us to stay...

[glossypan]

Osama bin Laden - remember him? He continues plotting murderous schemes from the hills of a country that is the recepient of billions of US taxpayer dollars. Meanwhile our children are dying in The War To Avenge The Bush Family Name And Give Cheney/Halliburton Control Of Mideast Oil Reserves. Our occupation of Iraq is not only illegal and immoral, it is totally illogical. And if Iraq is pacified , why didn''t Bush fly into Baghdad instead Saddam Husseins remote airbase with a 37 mile defense perimeter?

[crater7]

DID ANYONE NOTICE IF MR BUSH WAS WEARING HIS FLIP-FLOPS.

WHAT IS IT GOING TO BE, MR BUSH? ARE YOU BRINGING OUR TROOPS HOME, OR ARE YOU SURGING ON?

CUT AND RUN, OOPS,

STAY THE COURSE, MAYBE.....................

[brianbwb-2009]

apparently they do... everytime we threaten to leave they beg us to stay...
Posted by lars008,

It would be refreshing to see that assertion backed with evidence, in which example did the people (not the corrupt leaders, they don''t represent the wishes of their people in almost every case mentioned) of the country we were in actually ask the US to stay?

And if someone asks us to continue spending billions maintaining soldiers there, you''re all for it, right Minheer Conservative?

[mcvet]

apparently they do... everytime we threaten to leave they beg us to stay...
Posted by lars008 at 05:27 AM : Sep 05, 2007
+ report abuse

You mean the "government" holed up in the Green Zone? ROFLMAO Sparky the Resistence is NOW in Control of the SECOND largest city in the Country. In fact when you look at the situation through NON FASCIST eyes, you can see that Bush has already lost. When you are fighting a War of Agression, there will always be a resistence form. That Resistence isn''t going anywhere and the more that die the worse the Resistence becomes. Now that the Shiite''s are in control of Bashra the resistence throughout the rest of the nation will most certainly INCREASE! You can keep pretending but there''s no way you force a proud people at gun point to do things your way... isn''t going to work. Sieg Heil Bush!!

[mcvet]

why not rant that we are still in afghanistan, bosnia, korea, japan, germany...

Posted by lars008 at 05:10 AM : Sep 05, 2007

God but you Fascist are stupid. This is MUCH different than all those nations you named. We attacked this country. They had NO Weapons, little in the way of an Army, NO Navy and NO Air Force. They posed NO threat to us in any way, yet here we are FIVE years later and we now see the resistence in control of the SECOND largest City in the Country. We have OUR OWN intel telling us the "Government" isn''t competent AND we have a GAO Report showing LITTLE progress in our efforts to install our system there. I know you Swastika Huggers are stupid but as a Combat Vet I''m here to tell you that WE ARE LOSING. We have NO help either, well unless you count the several hundred Aussies left. But knowing you fascist you will continue to follow the fuhrer all the way to the bunker!! Sieg Heil Bush!!

[lars008-2009]

FASCIST NAZI TERRORISLAM / PERFECT EXAMPLE OF FASCISM!!!

Fascist nazi terrorislam is intent on killing or enslaving all non muslims......

Why is there no muslim country that grants equal rights to non muslim citizens???

The most notable characteristic of a fascist country is the separation and persecution or denial of equality to a specific segment of the population based upon superficial qualities or belief systems.

Simply stated, a fascist government always has one class of citizens that is considered superior (good) to another (bad) based upon race, creed or origin. It is possible to be both a republic and a fascist state. The preferred class lives in a republic while the oppressed class lives in a fascist state.
http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Politics/Structure3.htm

[lars008-2009]

the war is legal

the resumption of hostilities was only a matter of time since iraq broke the ceasefire agreement.....

blame saddam for iraq%u2026%u2026. Even clintoon and the dems wanted the resumption of hostilities back in 1998

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq''''s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

Moreover, no international law can prevent the United States from taking actions to protect its vital interests, when it is manifestly clear that there is a choice to be made between law and survival. I believe, however, that such a choice is not presented in the case of Iraq. Indeed, should we decide to proceed, that action can be justified within the framework of international law rather than outside it. In fact, though a new UN resolution may be helpful in building international consensus, the existing resolutions from 1991 are sufficient from a legal standpoint. - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/gore/gore092302sp.html

[lars008-2009]

because Americans knows it wrong.
Posted by tbweb at 04:31 AM : Sep 05, 2007

no... fascist nazi terrorislam is wrong...

Is islam a violation of international law???

islam practices slavery on non muslims
islam practices apartheid on non muslims
islam practices rape on non muslims
islam practices rape on babies and animals
islam practices genocide on non muslims

all are violations of international law and are crimes against humanity

Universal Declaration of Human Rights
http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/22/world/main2505445.shtml
Imam Khomeini - Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution
http://www.homa.org/Details.asp?ContentID=2137352826&TOCID=2083225445
Malaysia women ''suffer apartheid''
The daughter of Malaysia''s former prime minister has launched a scathing attack on the roles and status of Muslim women in the country.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4784784.stm
A matter of tolerance
http://musingwithmarinamahathir.blogspot.com/2006/12/matter-of-tolerance.html
Marina Mahathir
http://musingwithmarinamahathir.blogspot.com/
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=slavery+islam&btnG=Search
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4795808.stm
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=apartheid islam
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=rape islam
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=rape islam babies&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=genocide islam&btnG=Search

[gslinger3]

It must really pain the people in the CBS newsroom to report that our mission in Iraq may be sucessful afterall! What are the Liberals going to campaign on now? All you left wing radical Iraqi freedom hating conspiracy theorists will have to find a new conspiracy to lie about looks like!

George W Bush will go down as one of our greatest presidents if not THE greatest! He is a true visionary!

Way to Go W!!!

[glossypan]

The mission successful? Where are the WMDs? Where are the terrorists? Where is Osama bin Laden? Those are the reasons we went into Iraq. You guys with the short-term memory loss amaze me.

[mcvet]

It must really pain the people in the CBS newsroom to report that our mission in Iraq may be sucessful afterall! What are the Liberals going to campaign on now? All you left wing radical Iraqi freedom hating conspiracy theorists will have to find a new conspiracy to lie about looks like!

George W Bush will go down as one of our greatest presidents if not THE greatest! He is a true visionary!

Way to Go W!!!
Posted by gslinger3 at 06:49 AM : Sep 05, 2007

Whoa there sparky! You didn''t have a little of the Old Magic Swastika this morning did ya? ROFLMAO Let''s review for you, and for god''s sake take off the stupid sheet... Iraq HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH BIN LADEN OR THE ATTACK ON THIS COUNTRY! The Resistence to our War of Aggression is NOW in Control of the SECOND Largest City in the Country. The REAL enemy has completely rebuilt in ANOTHER Country AND they used this war of aggression against an Arab Nation to RECRUIT those people. We just saw, in Germany, the results of Bush''s Complete FAILURE or weren''t you watching? He''s a complete loser and a NAZI. He thought, FIVE LONG YEARS AGO, he''d just walk into Bagdad and start telling these proud people how to Govern themselves and he''s had his lunch handed to him. Maybe you can be proud of all that failure but not me! Combat Vet, RVN, 1968

[trillion1]

Badly treated and ill equipted troops, hundreds of billions of taxpayers dollars wasted, millions of dead and suffering and no end to any of it in sight. That''s a fools "success". God only know what other deaster bush has planned for America.

[skyk-2009]

How anyone can look at Iraq after 5 years and see anything but defeat there is beyond me. I know what Bush is trying to do. He wants to somehow stop any different approach until he''s out of office. I guess he thinks that the Mistakes made will not be placed on him, although how he thinks this is beyond me. We are American''s though and WE have a responsibility to the security of our Country and not to make sure a Southern Fascist saves face. Our Military can not endure much more and now they will most certainly be faced with hit and run attacks in convoys from the south. We should not take our eye off the real enemy though and thats what Bush has done. Al Qaeda has rebuilt and they used Bush''s War to do it. We have to ask ourselves where our priorities are... catching those who planned and carried out the attacks against us or continuing to pursue some Right Wing goal of world domination.

[formrusmcsgt]

"This is not the time for any proposals of a scaling down of Australian forces."

It''s really reassuring to know that the 541 Aussies will remain, eh?

What''s more impressive is the list of countries that have pared down or quit Dubya''s boondoggle altogether:

Nicaragua
Spain
Dominican Republic
Honduras
Philippines
Thailand
New Zealand
Tonga
Portugal
The Netherlands
Hungary
Singapore
Norway
Ukraine
Japan
Italy
Slovakia
Poland
Denmark
South Korea
United Kingdom

[iceman_1960]

"U.S. President George W. Bush said on Wednesday he saw signs of progress in Iraq"

No........ Really ?

Bush is a drunk and a liar. His comment is self-serving.

[iceman_1960]

Tonga pulled its troops out of Iraq ?

No wonder the situation has gone to hell.

(The invincible Mongol Horde is still there, though)

[skyk-2009]

This is a very dangerous game for a party that has already become a regional party. Republican''s in most of the nation understand what WE the People are saying and KNOW that We the People will change things in November. If the leadership of the Republican Party, which is firmly in the hands of a Southern Fascist, block the will of the people much longer, there''s going to be a real revolution much like the one experienced during the late 50''s and 60''s. The PEOPLE of this nation have been lied to for so long and abused by Corporate Interest to the extent they are willing to overthrow the Bush Administration right now by force.

[iceman_1960]

Signs of progress in Iraq will come when Bush leaves office and a real President replaces him.

Then we''ll see signs of progress in Iraq.

And America.

[formrusmcsgt]

George W Bush will go down as one of our greatest presidents if not THE greatest! He is a true visionary!

Posted by gslinger3 at 06:49 AM : Sep 05, 2007

Only among the delusional.

[radiob-2009]

From ABC News


Now, administration officials are recommending Bush stand by his war strategy until the spring, and Bush is considered unlikely to order more than a symbolic cut in troops before the end of the year. Officials familiar with the assessment spoke on condition of anonymity to describe decisions not yet publicly released.

[iceman_1960]

This graph shows that things are not getting better in Iraq.

http://icasualties.org/oif/US_chart.aspx

[formrusmcsgt]

George W Bush will go down as one of our greatest presidents if not THE greatest! He is a true visionary!

Way to Go W!!!
Posted by gslinger3 at 06:49 AM : Sep 05, 2007

Certainly not among the governments of the 21 counties'' governments listed below who are leaving or have left altogether.

If they felt there was an ice cube''s chance in hell that this boondoggle will result in anything other than total failure, they''d stick around to share in the credit for its success.

Their decision to leave Dubya alone in his crusade canoe speaks volumes....

[iceman_1960]

"George W Bush will go down as one of our greatest presidents if not THE greatest! He is a true visionary!"
- Posted by gslinger3 at 06:49 AM : Sep 05, 2007

If he believes that, gslinger3 is the "visionary"

(In the Timothy Leary sense.)

George W Bush has already gone down in the history books. He''s gone down where no President has gone before.

Over 60% of Americans "Disapprove" of him.

Over 40% of Americans "Strongly Disapprove" of him. They hate his guts.

Don''t hold your breath until future historians reverse that.

[radiob-2009]

Over two weeks ago Iraqis had there "defining" moment when over 500 Iraqis were murdered in northern Iraq. It was their 9-11, where is there declaration of war? Where is there unity?
Why have they not imposed "gas rationing" with gas rationing ids, odomenter readings, gas locks etc. to thwart the "suicide attacks" ? When are they going to Stand Up?

[iceman_1960]

"uesday, September 04, 2007

Thirty-seven percent (37%) of Americans approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President. Sixty-one percent (61%) disapprove.

Those figures include 18% who Strongly Approve and 43% who Strongly Disapprove."

Source:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/political_updates/president_bush_job_approval

[iceman_1960]

Bush: "And we''re going to win and we''re going to succeed."

Based on what ? Puerile wishful thinking. That''s all Bush has.

America has paid a stiff price for "faith-based" initiatives like the war in Iraq.

And a stiff price for putting a goofy cheerleader in the Oval Office.

[iceman_1960]

Bush: "And we''re going to win and we''re going to succeed."

Translation:

Bush: "I''m going to be vindicated ! I''m going to save face, no matter how many men get killed in the process. I''m the important one, not them."

[formrusmcsgt]

"George W Bush will go down as one of our greatest presidents if not THE greatest! He is a true visionary!"
- Posted by gslinger3 at 06:49 AM : Sep 05, 2007

As evidenced by his appointments of Mike Brown, Donald Rumsfeld, and Alberto Gonzales.......

[formrusmcsgt]

Neville Chamberlain has been history''s laughing stock for a half-century.

He has finally been replaced by an even bigger laughing stock - G.W. Bush.

[lars008-2009]

Posted by formrusmcsgt at 08:23 AM : Sep 05, 2007

demonic-rats are the chamberlain... bush is the churchill...

look who is targeting civilians...

Qaeda warns of attacks ''worse than 9/11''
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070530102648.wuwa6k96&show_article=1

Hizbullah Deputy Sec-Gen Sheikh Naim Qassem: We Have Jurisprudent Permission to Carry Out ''Martyrdom'' Operations, Fire Missiles on Israeli Civilians From Ayatollah Khomeini
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD154907

Switching Sides: Inside The Enemy Camp

But then in 2000, well before his arrest, something happened which would make Abas question everything he believed in: a fatwa, a religious edict, was issued by Osama bin Laden.

"It should be understood that killing Americans and Jews anywhere found are the highest act of worship and the highest form of good deeds in the eyes of Allah," Simon quotes bin Laden.

Abas and his fellow commanders were ordered to read the fatwa to their men and make sure they carried it out. The others obeyed, but Abas refused. It was his moment of truth. He firmly believed that jihad was to be fought only on the battlefield in defense of Islam; he had always been taught that the killing of civilians had nothing to do with holy war and that it was forbidden.

The fatwa justified killing non-Muslim civilians everywhere.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/04/60minutes/main2761108.shtml?source=RSSattr=60Minutes_2761108

[lars008-2009]

the surge is working...

Welcome to Freedom%u2019s Watch, an organization dedicated to fighting to protect the ideals and issues that keep America strong and prosperous.
http://www.freedomswatch.org/

The Real Stars: In Today''s America, Who Are the True Heroes?
http://www.amazon.com/Real-Stars-Todays-America-Heroes/dp/1401911447/ref=pd_bbs_sr_7/104-3631381-4433551?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188576368&sr=8-7

Bush''s war support rising?
The latest poll by United Press International/Zogby Interactive showed that 54 percent think the war is not lost, with respondents splitting sharply along party lines on that question.
http://www.zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=15553
Majority in poll say U.S. can win war in Iraq
The poll shows 54 percent of Americans said the war is not lost.
http://www.zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=15533

Porter ties U.S. withdrawal from Iraq to $9 gasoline
http://www.lvrj.com/news/9466252.html

[drummer94]

"the surge is working..." Uh huh. 4 more dead G.I.''s in Baghdad where the surge was supposed to have improved security so Maliki''s government can sit on their cans and do nothing. Yup, the surge is working alright.

[lars008-2009]

what do you call an ideology that:

kills you if you don''t join it...

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=82201&ln=eng&txt=islam%20law%20kill%20kaafir

kills you if you leave it...

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=696&ln=eng&txt=kaafir%20kill

kills you if you don''t do what they tell you to do..

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=6035&ln=eng&txt=kaafir%20kill

kills you if you speak against it%u2026.

http://islamqa.com/index.php?QR=22809&ln=eng

kills anybody that is not a member of it...

http://www.hauns.com/~DCQu4E5g/koran5.html

still practices slavery

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=12562&ln=eng&txt=slavery

still practices pagan rituals...

http://answering-islam.org/Silas/pagansources.htm

allows the r a p e of babies and animals...

http://www.homa.org/default.asp?TOCID=2083225445

a. satanic cult???
b. islam???
c. all the above???

Our Prophet commanded us to fight the kaafirs when we are able and to attack them in their homelands and to give them three choices before we enter their lands: either they become Muslim and be like us, sharing our rights and duties; or they pay the jizyah (poll tax) and feel themselves subdued; or they fight, in which case their wealth, women, children and homes become permissible as booty for the Muslims.
http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=13759&ln=eng&txt=before%20islam%20arabia%20pagan

[brianbwb-2009]

Posted by lars008,

You still haven''t answered my previous question

Jij toch niets het antwoord gegeven, misschien omdat sit er geen antwoord?

Lul.

[notblue]

It''s always the same, Bush is bad,blah blah blah, never any intelligent discussion, it always Bush is an idiot, Bush is a liar, never any condemnation of the true enemy just justification of there savagery because it''s alwaysd Bush fault. What a bunch of simplistic narrow visioned morons! Good luck with the idiotic perspective, I guess some people need to simplify complex issues in order to make sense of there fairytale world. Lucky for most at these posts there are adults that will protect them despite themselves.