BAGHDAD, Iraq, Sept. 5, 2007

Iraq's New Danger: Armor-Piercing Grenades

U.S. Army Tells CBS News Al Qaeda Is Killing Soldiers With Grenades

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(CBS)  An al Qaeda propaganda video dated Aug. 15, 2006, shows a brazen attack on U.S. soldiers with a hand grenade that's more deadly than any other. The explosion is huge, as three armor-piercing bombs find their target.

It's not a new weapon on the Iraqi battlefield, but CBS News has learned it's being used more now than ever. And for the first time, the Army has admitted this weapon is killing its soldiers.

Capt. Benjamin Jones, of the U.S. Army's 2nd Brigade, 2nd Infantry Div., led CBS News chief foreign correspondent Lara Logan to the place where he lost a young soldier, Jeremiah Vietch, to one of these hand grenades in June.

"The vehicle was right there, and they had thrown a grenade right over that wall," Jones says, pointing to a barrier.

Pfc. Vietch, 21, of Fort Carson's 2nd Brigade "Warriors," died after the explosive penetrated his armored vehicle in Baghdad's violent Dora neighborhood.

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So did "Warriors" Pvt. Steven Davis, less than two weeks later - on the July 4 holiday - also in Dora, a key strategic area al Qaeda desperately wants to take back from U.S. soldiers.

The terrorist group has been eager to take credit for the use of this lethal weapon.

Three months ago, their organization in Iraq announced the creation of a new "Thermal Brigade" and paraded men dressed in black and holding weapons in a video posted on the Internet.

They even used diagrams to show how this Russian-made weapon actually works.

Those diagrams matched military explanations obtained by CBS News: When the pin is pulled and the grenade is thrown, a small parachute is released. It stabilizes the grenade and ensures that it comes down vertically on its target.

The shape charge inside punches through the armor, and slow-burning explosives are released to ensure the deadliest effect.

During the battle in Dora, the Army says more and more of these hand grenades are being used.

In firefights, like the one that suddenly broke out during Logan's visit last week, it's yet another worry for the soldiers.

Capt. Jim Keirsey says the armor-piercing hand grenades were used against his men on a street corner in a massive complex attack that killed five soldiers at the end of July.

In another attack, Staff Sgt. Paul Crenshaw was almost killed by one just a few yards down the road when it was thrown over a wall into his vehicle, wounding him and his gunner.

The soldiers say it's impossible to know when ordinary-looking civilians at the side of the road will suddenly launch their deadly weapons - and that makes attacks like this just about impossible to stop.


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by brianbwb-2009 September 7, 2007 5:14 AM EDT
Posted by oakishpines

Sounds like LSD, and I mean the good stuff we used to get in the late sixties and early seventies, 4 way, blotter, owl, etc.

Do you still have a stash hidden away from way back then? I wouldn''t mind scoring some of that...
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by oakishpines September 6, 2007 9:59 PM EDT


'' ... slaves were considered relatively high dollar assets that typically were little more likely to be thrown through a window to their deaths than a thousand or three thousand dollar computer ... wives and children, however, were slaves that functioned as liabilities and were far more likely to be put a day or few out of work than were field slaves ... ''



'' ... whuts extremely bizarre about slavery is that it only took something like three percent of three percent of folk to slave entire populations ... the first thing that should have popped into their minds was: ''ohmagosh, if we can slave populations with three percent of three percent, then our enemys can slave lil ol us with less than three percent of three percent of three percent of three percent ... ''


'' ... let''s invest 99% to those max wage folk what cuff cage collar and 1% to those min wage folk whut mug rape kill and 1% of 1% to those whut each give market share and other stuff to fifty folk what also each give market share and other stuff away to fifty folk each day for free ... ''


'' ... don''t dance porno get sick tax world get well feed world songs rallied round sick beds drifting farm trails and rallied round well beds racing farm trails ... ''

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by socrates392 September 6, 2007 8:01 PM EDT
I hate lars008. I wish they would ban her. I''m sick of her pasting *** under every news story--the same ***, over and over . . . its getting really old . . .
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by drummer94 September 6, 2007 6:14 PM EDT
we chased lars right into his other thing,oakish...hahaha
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by oakishpines September 6, 2007 5:43 PM EDT


'' ... after the civil war, 80+% of the u.s. were self employed farmers, a hundred years later, i work for a company that publicly and regularly demonstrates that it refuses to be self sufficient ... ''


'' ... it isn''t that little militant girls can''t make a living by marrying and slaving civilian men, it is just that militant men have a thing for disciplining and choring little militant girls ... ''


'' ... there''s nothing wrong with not liking beets or hairy women or naked girls, but denying those who like beets and hairy women and naked girls access to congress could almost me construed as oppressive if life were supposed to be fair ... ''


'' ... it isn''t that little girls can''t provide for my needs or that they don''t want to, they are very crafty and kind, but the general promised he would, so i keep waiting ... of course the general also said it only takes a few to feed the world and the army''s too busy taxing the world to be that few what feed it ... ''


'' ... i was number 3.5 billion, but no one listened when i said the ignorant naked kids are freed from thousands of years of being made to disappear, now i''m number one and my survival depends upon my military skill and not only does no one listen, but they''re all trying to kill me ... ''
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by drummer94 September 6, 2007 5:39 PM EDT
larsygirlranaway................figures
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by drummer94 September 6, 2007 4:51 PM EDT
probably lookin for something to paste..........................................................................................................................................................................................................................
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by drummer94 September 6, 2007 4:48 PM EDT
lars,hey lars you idiot, whereda go?You puss.
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by nggr September 6, 2007 4:41 PM EDT
I''m sure if you follow the money, the U.S is paying for these weapons inadvertantly somehow
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by drummer94 September 6, 2007 2:49 PM EDT
Yup. lars is apuss. A repug puss no less.
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by drummer94 September 6, 2007 2:34 PM EDT
HELLOOOO! lars. Whereja go? Last time I ask this today. What would you DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO?
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by drummer94 September 6, 2007 2:23 PM EDT
If I may, Ed75, there is NO WAY that this country will be stabilized. No way. OK, one way. We get the he11 outta their way. Taking Saddam out was not our business. It was theirs. This is one of these things that was wrong (one of many) for doing this. Saddam had a hit on jr.''s daddy---revenge is a terrible motive, especially if you are the leader of the "free" world. We and our troops are paying the price now, and for decades to come. A great big SIGH!
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by brianbwb-2009 September 6, 2007 2:14 PM EDT
Edward1975,

You are right, they will never step up, because we choose them, rather than the Iraqis, and they will never accept our puppets. Don''t forget, Saddam gassed the Kurds with gas we gave him, because they were disturbing our proxy against Iran during their war. Notice now how the Turks are invading northern Iraq to finish the job, and Bush says nothing.

Don''t make the mistake of thinking there is any humanitarian consideration for the Kurds, they were just another point for the war mongers'' agitprop.

As to success in Iraq, the success you wish for would only have been accomplished by total genocide, as the Iraqis will never accept an American base on their soil. Oliver North saw to that when he sold weapons to Iran, while we sold to and supposedly backed Saddam.

Would you have such genocide in your name? I would never sanction it for my name, for any reason not immediately threatening me and mine.
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by drummer94 September 6, 2007 2:09 PM EDT
I hear ya Bri. Folks (?) like lars, muddy, notblue, etc.etc. know the jig is up. They are just to stubborn to admit it. Kinda like their failed leader. And, unfortunately, our pres. Sheesh!
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by drummer94 September 6, 2007 2:05 PM EDT
That sheeple went away, I reckon. (lardass) Dontcha just hate it, when ya call somebody out, they run away?
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by brianbwb-2009 September 6, 2007 2:04 PM EDT
....and lars008, where (asking again) is your solution??????
Posted by drummer94

Forget it, drummer, the Belgian bomber has no answers, he just likes to ask other people to fight and die for his entertainment, he has no answers to questions I have asked of him weeks ago.

Again whenever I ask any pro war supporters to define "the surge is working" or the definition of "success in Iraq", without fail I am met with silence. None of them are brave enough to state their real answer, so they resort to childish name calling.

So you already know the outcome of any attempt at discussion with them.
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by edward1975-2009 September 6, 2007 2:02 PM EDT
The Iraqi fractured government will never step up. But if you think leaving will solve our problems, down the road I think you may be wrong. No matter what reason you think we got into this, and some of them are absurd, we needed to eliminate Hussein. He had already gassed northern Kurds and had killed, by rough estimates, 600,000. He had to go. And had we succeeded in Iraq, that would have gave us the ability to have bases in central Middle East. And I truly don''t think either Democrats or Republicans have anything to offer in way of leadership that will be of use anytime soon.
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by drummer94 September 6, 2007 2:02 PM EDT
Hey lars, got an answer yet? hahahaha
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by drummer94 September 6, 2007 1:58 PM EDT
Of COURSE it''s the politicians, BraverLight. Politicians = money and percieved "power". What they forget, like congressman Gillmore found out, it all goes away. It just does. Repugnants cannot see this because they are so involved with doing their thing, that all of a sudden, it doesn''t matter. OK, to be fair, it happens to all of us. And there it really IS!!!
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by braverlight September 6, 2007 1:52 PM EDT
The evolution of war continues. What remains unchanged is idiot politicians, who would never serve themselves nor allow their own children to serve, sending other peoples'' kids to die for lies and profit. The only thing that surpasses the ignorance and racism of the neoCONS is the sheer stupidity and gutlessness of the brain-dead morons who follow them. These cowards will concoct any story, any fantasy and any prevarication to justify their bigotry, while openly exposing their genetic deficiencies. Fortunately, the American people are starting to recognize their repeated ***. NeoCONS and neoCON-worhsippers, your days are numbered.
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