NEW YORK, Aug. 31, 2007

Letterman Gets Serious With Clinton

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(CBS)  David Letterman marked his 14th anniversary at CBS Thursday with stars including Willie Nelson and Kenny Chesney, joking at one point that he'd had to leave NBC "after that men's room incident" - a reference to the Capitol Hill scandal Idaho Sen. Larry Craig's guilty plea in a Minneapolis airport restroom.

That was just a warm-up for the main event, however.

Letterman's headliner was Hillary Clinton, who walked onto the "Late Show" stage to the strains of Bruce Springsteen's "Born to Run," ribbed Letterman for his many jokes about her pantsuits (while wearing one, of course), and answered some serious questions before delivering a Top Ten list of comedic campaign promises.

Most popular with the "Late Show" audience were a promise to allow taxpayers to roll dice for double or nothing against the IRS; a pledge to loan out Air Force One to folks who have trouble getting a flight; and a promise that her vice president "will never shoot anybody in the face."

Letterman took Clinton back to her first job after graduating from college, as a fish gutter in Alaska.

"The job was to be in hip boots with an apron, with a spoon," Clinton recalled. "The salmon would be brought in, they'd be slit open, and the caviar would be taken out and then they'd be thrown in a big pile. My job was to grab - I mean, these are big fish - to take a spoon and clean out the insides. That's called 'sliming fish.' "

It was, Clinton said satirically, "the best preparation for being in Washington that you can possibly imagine."

Asked about the tens of millions she's already raised for her campaign, and the many millions more that are likely to be spent, Clinton said she'd like to see a switch to "public financing, where people don't have to raise money like this."

"There's a great public financing system here in New York City, and I think it's a terrific model," she continued. "But, again, under our constitution, the Supreme Court has decided that your contributions is a form of political speech... So it would be very hard to come up with a system that would really work. But I'm gonna do everything I can - now, as a senator - I hope, as a president - to try to deal with it."

As for the campaign itself, the New York Democrat says it's long, intense, and takes stamina - which she has.

"I find it exhilarating," said Clinton. "I get to travel, go in and out of people's lives in a way that few folks ever get to do. You're in people's homes, workplaces - everything that you can imagine that's important, and they're telling you about it."

The campaign trail, she acknowledged, is also "incredibly draining... it seems to be what our system demands. Maybe because it's the hardest job in the world, they want to make the candidates go through very tough preliminaries."

The challenges are already in place, said Clinton, for the next president.

"I think it's going to be especially hard following President Bush and Vice President Cheney; I think there are going to be a lot of problems that we'll inherit," she said. "I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't think, number one, that I could win, and number two, that I could do the job that the country needs."

"I think the fact that I would be the first woman president is a good barrier for America to break," she continued, pointing to female leaders past and present, including Margaret Thatcher, Indira Ghandi, Golda Meyer, and Angela Merkel. "We're the land where we say to everybody, 'Live up to your potential, live your dreams,' right?"

"It certainly seems overdue," Letterman said about the prospect of a female president.

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by xlib August 31, 2007 7:11 AM PDT
She is sooooo funny. She wanted everyone to see her softer, funnier side. How very cute. Just warms your heart.
This lars008 post, is he/she for real?
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by crater7 August 31, 2007 7:30 AM PDT
MADAM PRESIDENT !

ANY COMMENT FROM THE ZOO?

STAY THE COURSE
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by missingamerica August 31, 2007 7:40 AM PDT
"I think it''s going to be especially hard following President Bush and Vice President Cheney; I think there are going to be a lot of problems that we''ll inherit." - Hillary Clinton

I nominate the preceding quote for the biggest understatement of the millennium.

No matter who wins, they''re going to have the toughest job to do since FDR followed Hoover.
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by pwrslm August 31, 2007 7:55 AM PDT
Sure, she will give 23k away, but she will also keep a million from HSU''s activities, no doubt. Reality is sinking in, Billys last campain had similar smells. When the Feds started investigations into irregular activities, dozens of foreign nationals, who raised funds for the Clinton campain, left the county to evade prosecution.

No doubt this is the same tactic. Chinese businessmen, spies, communist plots to destroy freedom, they are REAL people. This is it. China recieved unparalelled benefits from the last Clinton Administration. If we put another one in, shoot, we may as well start eh Peoples Republic of the United States Party and change languages. Can you say grng ch%u01CEn ??
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by nexgen99 August 31, 2007 8:02 AM PDT
As she smiles to the public to trust her, all the while funneling illegal cash through her and Bills network of Chinese spy''s into her ill gotten campaign. The Clinton''s, a legacy of lies, corruption and evil doings. A women who can''t even control her husband and yet thinks she can control a nation. The simple fact is that the Clinton''s and the Democrats want to create a hole new class of socially dependent individuals that they can feed offer for years to come. They want to get back to the welfare days where large blocks of the population were dependent on welfare and social programs. This way they will continue to vote democratic so they can continue to live off the sweat of everyone else.
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by infidel_us August 31, 2007 8:11 AM PDT
Can you say grng ch%u01CEn ??
Posted by pwrslm at 07:55 AM : Aug 31, 2007

No Shiit! That Hsu story disappeared off CBS''s radar quicker than a Clinton campaign contributor leaves the country.

Letterman LOVES Clinton......they are like lib ''peas and carrots'' - to coin a Gumpism.
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by themurph2000 August 31, 2007 8:16 AM PDT
"The simple fact is that the Clinton''''s and the Democrats want to create a hole new class of socially dependent individuals that they can feed offer for years to come. They want to get back to the welfare days where large blocks of the population were dependent on welfare and social programs."Posted by nexgen99 at 08:02 AM : Aug 31, 2007

OK, um, you are aware that the welfare program that went on since the 60s ended during the Clinton administration, right? It was a Republican Congress and a Democratic Presidesnt that got it done. You do know that, right?

And for whatever reason, that combination in reverse doesn''t seem to work one bit these days. Of course, times were much easier back then, about 10 years ago.
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by perception5 August 31, 2007 8:18 AM PDT
Wow ! the axis of evil in action. Hillary Rotten-Clinton with her liberal pal Dave and her favorite network CBS (Clinton Broadcasting Station) putting it all out there for the public along with all the smiling faces.

Great team work "axis".
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by themurph2000 August 31, 2007 8:19 AM PDT
Letterman LOVES Clinton......they are like lib ''''peas and carrots'''' - to coin a Gumpism.
Posted by infidel_us at 08:11 AM : Aug 31, 2007

I''ve been watching Letterman since ''82. He''s politcally neutral. The only person I''ve ever seen him go after with the claws was Bill O''Reilly. Let''s face it: that guy needs to be knocked down several pegs.

Letterman, like many of us, are disgusted with both sides of the aisle. Since the days of IKE, we''ve had three presidents make it the full 8 years: two Republicans and one democrat. Times were good (or at least decent) for two of those three (Reagan and Clinton).
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by missingamerica August 31, 2007 8:23 AM PDT
Some of the "neocon" posts make me laugh. It is as if the "Young Republicans" had a kindergarten division.
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by johnny343sc August 31, 2007 8:31 AM PDT
Jeez... yet again the liberals at the "Communist Broadcasting System" are drooling over Hell-ary Clinton, the Wicked Witch of the Eastside of NYC.
C''mon. Stop promoting your candidate for president and be unbiased in your coverage... -if- you can even do that!!!

It''s so blatant. But it''s your goal to advance your political agenda. Still PO-ed about Rather vs. Dubya?

;)
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by nexgen99 August 31, 2007 8:37 AM PDT
OK, um, you are aware that the welfare program that went on since the 60s ended during the Clinton administration, right? It was a Republican Congress and a Democratic Presidesnt that got it done. You do know that, right?
Posted by themurph2000 at 08:16 AM : Aug 31, 2007
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um it was the Republicans who got it done and that maggot Clinton knew he did not have the votes to veto it.
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by Krazcarl August 31, 2007 8:40 AM PDT
I''m for John Mcain and concidered a liberal democrate that never voted rebublicain in my life and 50 but were at war men are dying we need a military person {man or woman} to tackle this mess. But this Clinton Letterman hollywood *** is *** Mr. Letterman has the right to support anyone he wants to but I don''t think gutting fish compares to night patrols in a forgein land under fire.We need leadership not I''ll stand by my man mentality. Keep''em coming Dave we like ya.
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by pwrslm August 31, 2007 8:57 AM PDT
Sure, she will give 23k away, but she will also keep a million from HSU''''s activities, no doubt. Reality is sinking in, Billys last campain had similar smells. When the Feds started investigations into irregular activities, dozens of foreign nationals, who raised funds for the Clinton campain, left the county to evade prosecution.

No doubt this is the same tactic. Chinese businessmen, spies, communist plots to destroy freedom, they are REAL people. This is it. China recieved unparalelled benefits from the last Clinton Administration. If we put another one in, shoot, we may as well start eh Peoples Republic of the United States Party and change languages. Can you say grng ch%u01CEn ??
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by Krazcarl August 31, 2007 9:09 AM PDT
pwrslim what kind of illegal drugs are you on your comment makes absolutly no seance you can''t believe it take another pill you''ll be ok...
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by rushman71 August 31, 2007 9:24 AM PDT
Vote for Billary Clinton--He/She will Save America!!!
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by barbjc1 August 31, 2007 9:26 AM PDT
This country needs a female President, the men sure haven''t done a very good job overall. I sometimes think we are still living in the 1890''s.
Maybe with a female President, someone would think twice before sending our children off to a foreign country to die over someone else''s civil war.
Has anyone bothered to notice our gasoline prices did not get out of hand before Bush and Cheney''s war on terror in Iraq.
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by jack3213 August 31, 2007 9:31 AM PDT
Libs are Losers, period. This is how we wound up in this mess in the first place, not the other way around. It is obvious of this fact by the way the Dems accuse everyone else for all the mistakees made, and then try to sound like a martyr by promising to fix all the problems which ultimately they started. Wake up and smell the coffee. GO FRED!
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by themurph2000 August 31, 2007 9:33 AM PDT
um it was the Republicans who got it done and that maggot Clinton knew he did not have the votes to veto it.
Posted by nexgen99 at 08:37 AM : Aug 31, 2007

OK, let''s check those numbers....

104th Congress - 1995-96
House: 232 Republicans, 201 Democrats, 2 Independents. Republicans control 53.3% of the House

Senate: 52 Republican, 48 Democratic. (52 were at the time of the vote, there were 53 in ''95 until Bob Packwood left) Republicans control 52% of the Senate.

Bottom line, it was the Republicans who could not override a Presidential veto, as you need 67% to do that in both houses. By that same token, Clinton couldn''t get the bills designed exactly as he liked them, as the Republicans would have chaired many (if not most) of the subcommittees in Congress.

Don''t you just hate people who do their research and remember their history?
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by drputt45 August 31, 2007 10:03 AM PDT
Hey, she may be the best man for the job.
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by j4401 August 31, 2007 10:05 AM PDT

The Real Reason We''re In Iraq:
An influential group of conservatives convinced President George W. Bush that it was in America''s best interests to conquer Iraq as a first step toward dominating the oil-producing nations in the Middle East. There was no "exit plan" because we never intended to exit. The plan was, and is, to build military bases in Iraq and stay there forever. Our leaders also see Iraq as a place to make money. So Bush & Co. have set up their friends to cash in on the rebuilding of Iraq.
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by hwy71so August 31, 2007 10:05 AM PDT
"I''''ve been watching Letterman since ''''82. He''''s politcally neutral. The only person I''''ve ever seen him go after with the claws was Bill O''''Reilly. Let''''s face it: that guy needs to be knocked down several pegs.

Letterman, like many of us, are disgusted with both sides of the aisle. Since the days of IKE, we''''ve had three presidents make it the full 8 years: two Republicans and one democrat. Times were good (or at least decent) for two of those three (Reagan and Clinton).
Posted by themurph2000 at 08:19 AM : Aug 31, 2007"

Apparently, you weren''t around during the B. Clinton years. There was very little "decent" about his 8.

Letterman has hardly been neutral either. He''s been after Bush since his first election.

Letterman was a supporter of Clinton when he was in office and when Bush was elected Letterman let his Liberal Democrat side show in full force. He''s nothing but a yes man and has been bought by those who''d tear down the very fabric of this country.

I''ll pray that Hillary isn''t elected, but if all these, my countrymen do elect her, I''ll submit to her leadership as prescribed in the book of Romans. But, I''ll not swing to her immoral decrees of murder (abortion) and homosexuality. In fact I''ll stand in opposition to it every chance I get.
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by pugster August 31, 2007 10:08 AM PDT
Libs are Losers, period. This is how we wound up in this mess in the first place, not the other way around. It is obvious of this fact by the way the Dems accuse everyone else for all the mistakees made, and then try to sound like a martyr by promising to fix all the problems which ultimately they started. Wake up and smell the coffee. GO FRED!
Posted by jack3213 at 09:31 AM : Aug 31, 2007

I see when Bush Sr left at 1992 he got less than 40% approval rating. Clinton left at 2000 with a 60%+ rating. Old Dubya jr. has less than 30% rating.

The republican whiners don''t get the hint that the Grand Old Perverts can''t get the job done in terms of how to be a president.
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by abbe91 August 31, 2007 10:11 AM PDT
"Hillary Clinton marched in lockstep with the Republicans on the "war on terror", including the invasion & occupation of Iraq. And, promises to continue more of the same."
Posted by tuckerndfw at 10:07 AM : Aug 31, 2007

I wouldn''t blame so much her or the Republicans in congress for this, even if they could have been wiser. I would rather blame first the Bush administration for lying to them.
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by themurph2000 August 31, 2007 10:21 AM PDT
Actually, I was around during the Clinton "8" as you called it. I never said I liked Clinton himself. I thought he was quite the sleazebag. Actually, I voted for old man Bush in ''92 because I thought he''d be better with foreign policy. The economy was in bad shape for the first 2-3 (even stretch that to 3 1/2) years of Clinton''s presidency. Then, when the Republicans and Clinton realized they''ve been forced to work together is when we had some progress. Might explain the landslide victory that Clinton had in ''96.
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I''''ll not swing to her immoral decrees of murder (abortion) and homosexuality. In fact I''''ll stand in opposition to it every chance I get.

Posted by Hwy71So at 10:05 AM : Aug 31, 2007

Immoral decrees of homosexuality? Get over youself, willya? If you''re gonna use the Bible to spread hatred, do you think you can occasionally look up the quotes that say "Love one another as I have loved you?" Or would that be too much trouble? I''d really like to see how these homophobes react when it''s been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that your sexual preference is part of your DNA.

Yeah, don''t you just hate people that think things out first?
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by pugster August 31, 2007 10:24 AM PDT
Before those Republican Whiners think that Hiliary is ''conspiring'' with the ''so called'' ''communist'' broadcasting station, they forgot that McCain has announced his presidency at this same Letterman Show earlier this year. Maybe those Republicans are working with those ''communists'' too.
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by j4401 August 31, 2007 10:24 AM PDT
Why do the Clinton haters feel they must share their negative opinions with the rest of us over and over again? I could care less about how people "feel" about Hillary or her husband. It is totally irrelevant and useless.

The Real Reason We''re In Iraq: An influential group of conservatives convinced President George W. Bush that it was in America''s best interests to conquer Iraq as a first step toward dominating the oil-producing nations in the Middle East. There was no "exit plan" because we never intended to exit. The plan was, and is, to build military bases in Iraq and stay there forever. Our leaders see Iraq as a place to make money. So Bush & Co. have set up their friends to cash in on the rebuilding of Iraq.
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by themurph2000 August 31, 2007 10:26 AM PDT
Posted by themurph2000 at 08:19 AM : Aug 31, 2007

Don''''t recall the Reagan recession, do you?


Oh, I''ve ticked off both liberals and conservatives? Wonderful! My work here is done.

4 Words, folks: BOTH SIDES ARE BULLSH**!!!
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by abbe91 August 31, 2007 10:32 AM PDT
"Congress had the same intelligence as available to the White House."
If it is what the WH says, it must be the truth, right ? Oh boy ... Congress, and even the 911 commission didn''t have access to all 911 documents. Why a special case for Iraq ? What about the Brewster-Jennings outing ? the yellowcake ? The WH fabricated intelligence. Why would they let the Congress know about it ?

"There is no excuse for anyone to have voted to authorize the invasion of Iraq. Even if Iraq had possessed millions of nuclear weapons, it posed no credible threat to the US."
Correct. But did you say so at the time. Honestly ?

"Iraq had no navy, air force, missile delivery system or military capable of posing any such threat."
Correct, same question.

Posted by tuckerndfw at 10:20 AM : Aug 31, 2007
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by j4401 August 31, 2007 10:35 AM PDT
By posting negative comments about Hillary and her husband are people trying to change our opinion about her? Or is it just being "stuck in the mud."
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by actornaught August 31, 2007 10:41 AM PDT
She was impressive enough on Letterman, and i realized how much more, yes, ''presidential'' she is than w. Hopefully she''ll be able to purge some of the shame w has poor on us.

The anti-Hillary flock of sheep have been kept themselves insulated from the mainstream, eating out of each others toilets for years. Try as they might, they''re laughable mental powers just won''t bend reality. The reality that plenty of people like Hillary, and her electability has been steadily climbing over the ''pubs for some time. AND she will make a much better president than any bush...
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by pugster August 31, 2007 10:44 AM PDT
Before those Republican Whiners complain of Hiliary about her ''inexperience,'' look at Dubya, he was a drunken stupor before before being a governor with no foreign relations experience. Yet those same Republican whiners voted for them. At least Hiliary was in politics for 30+ years.
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by justfacts2 August 31, 2007 10:52 AM PDT
As a military serviceman pointed out not so long ago - our vice president will neither lose money or break even on this war. Think about that. Everywhere you go over there, you see Halliburton, and only them too.
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by incog-nito August 31, 2007 10:54 AM PDT
Vote for your nominee, pure and simple. The reason the GOP won the past 2 elections? They vote for the party while Dems vote for the person. That may sound like a principled thing to do, but it''s really just being absurdly naive. Politics is about compromise. You may not agree with a candidate on everything, but you probably agree on some things. And to bring about the things you agree on, the first thing you need to do is WIN. Not much may happen if you do win, but NOTHING will happen or worse if you don''t. So drop the "principle" B.S. and vote your party. Look at where "principle" got Ralph Nader (anybody heard from him lately?).
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by themurph2000 August 31, 2007 10:58 AM PDT
You claimed the US had "good years" during the Reagan presidency. That is not true. Reagan, like Bozo Bush, borrowed his way through his presidency, ...

Which is the same tactic employed by Bozo Bush. Congress will have to pass another huge tax increase to pay for Bozo''''s (and Hillary''''s) borrow and spend policies.
Posted by tuckerndfw at 10:33 AM : Aug 31, 2007

Both statements are partially correct. We had good years under Reagan BECAUSE he borrowed against the debt. (not all 8 years were good, mind you, but you can use the same argument with Clinton''s 8). He passed on his financial troubles to old man Bush. It''s true that the economy goes in waves. Unfortunately, you can''t tell the average American that, because they have bills and employment concerns right then and there. A hands-off approach to the economy (like old man Bush tried) doesn''t work in the political sense during a recession.

I agree that "Bozo" Bush, as you put it, doesn''t get the economics of this. You can''t have tax cuts and spend like a madman at the same time. It just doesn''t work. Right now, China owns a ****load of U.S. Treasury Bonds that the current Bush put out there. This would likely explain our very tenuous relationship with them.

The bill is coming due very soon. I don''t envy the next President, regardless of which party is in the White House.
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by abbe91 August 31, 2007 11:05 AM PDT
"I have been against the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq since before it became fashionable to oppose the invasion of Iraq."

Do you mean, before they took place ? at the time of the voting ? You''ll notice that I agree with you on many points and indeed being against the invasions was unpopular at the time but ...

"I continue to oppose the invasion of Afghanistan despite the unpopularity of that position."

I don''t think it is unpopular anymore, well, depends where you live, of course.

Posted by tuckerndfw at 10:40 AM : Aug 31, 2007"

I wouldn''t vote for Clinton in primaries (my choice). Following your arguments, you must intend
to vote for somebody who opposed the invasions from the first day ... Obama ?

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by abbe91 August 31, 2007 11:13 AM PDT
"If Democrats are stupid enough to nominate Hillary to be their candidate, I will vote for the Republican alternative.
Posted by tuckerndfw at 10:59 AM : Aug 31, 2007"

which could be Giuliani ... the famous 911 "hero".
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by rushman71 August 31, 2007 11:19 AM PDT
I can''t stand Billary, but since all of you liberal pigs won''t shut up and come down to your senses, let the danm butchbitch win!!! Maybe after the first 4 years of her/him/it serving as our Pres. y''all would probably come to understand that Bush wasn''t as bad as originally thought!!!
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by abbe91 August 31, 2007 11:20 AM PDT
And my opposition extends to any politician who supports that misuse of the US military, especially Hillary and McCain. (Giuliani, others)
Posted by tuckerndfw at 11:15 AM : Aug 31, 2007

Make sense to me but what do you do in case it''s Clinton vs Giuliani ? I wouldn''t vote for somebody who is likely to have been ***involved*** in 911 ...
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by incog-nito August 31, 2007 11:21 AM PDT
tuckerndfw: You''re contradicting yourself. All the GOP candidate except for Ron Paul support the war, and he''s not going anywhere. So you strong oppose the war but will still vote for somebody who supports it. Talk about naive.
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by rushman71 August 31, 2007 11:22 AM PDT
Posted by tuckerndfw at 11:15 AM

For once I agree with you here!!! LOL
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by themurph2000 August 31, 2007 11:22 AM PDT
I sold a house in 1983 for less money than I paid for it in 1977 thanks to those "good years."

I have no real interest in debating the finer points of those years, I merely disagree they were "good years."
Posted by tuckerndfw at 11:02 AM : Aug 31, 2007

There were some bad years there, no question about it. Won''t deny that for a minute. I remember Reaganomics. I remember my parents struggling like hell in the early 80''s as our family starting hitting college age and still had several still entering high school. All of us had to pay (or at least help pay) for our college education. High school, too, actually.

That aside, the one thing Reagan and Clinton shared, though, was a second term won in a landslide. They were both beneficiaries of a good economy at the time of said election, whether they caused it or not.
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by abbe91 August 31, 2007 11:23 AM PDT
"y''''all would probably come to understand that Bush wasn''''t as bad as originally thought!!!
Posted by rushman71 at 11:19 AM : Aug 31, 2007"

Or discover that it was much worse than we tought.
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by incog-nito August 31, 2007 11:24 AM PDT
rushman71: Nobody, left or right, can be worse than Bush. Because at least the next president will likely not be an imbecile.
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by abbe91 August 31, 2007 11:29 AM PDT
"tuckerndfw: You''''re contradicting yourself. All the GOP candidate except for Ron Paul support the war, and he''''s not going anywhere. So you strong oppose the war but will still vote for somebody who supports it. Talk about naive.
Posted by incog-nito at 11:21 AM : Aug 31, 2007"

My point too. But I also notice, and that might be a first, that we have can a decent, constructive debate here without (much) name calling. Maybe it''s to early for mudrose and co.
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by incog-nito August 31, 2007 11:36 AM PDT
abbe91: You forgot about rushman71.

My point is that of course you shouldn''t agree w/ a candidate on everything. You''d be a mindless stooge if you do (as evidenced by the Bush defenders). There are unfortunately only two parties in the U.S., and of course you can''t, and probably shouldn''t, agree with everything on your party''s platform. But to be a one-issue voter is simply naive. Might as well hand the victory to the other side.
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by abbe91 August 31, 2007 11:37 AM PDT
"They both appear to have become nothing more than puppets for the "militaryindustrial complex" (Eisenhower''''s term).

One thing has been consistent with both parties since the days of Jimmy Carter and that is catering to their war profiteering cronies. At the expense of US taxpayers.

Posted by tuckerndfw at 11:30 AM : Aug 31, 2007"

Basically, we would need a new JFK, somebody capable of stopping "Operation Northwoods" (did you read about it ?). We needed this badly in 2001 too, I''m convinced.
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by actornaught August 31, 2007 11:40 AM PDT
My opinion of reagan couldn''t be lower (until w came along), but then i don''t think he was president, anyway. Nancy probably functioned more as a decider than ronnie. And why the reagan neocons think racking up debt is no big deal is crazy crazy criminal.

My most successful years, professionally, were almost perfectly bookended within the Clinton years. Immediately after w was voted in, our booming plant had international orders cancelled, and they''ve been a ghost ever since.

Shoot me for being the messenger, but if the election were today, Hillary would win. And i don''t see her being such a liability. Hate radio has entirely been working a scam against her for 15 years, so there''s no credibility from there.

If you did away with all the lying politicians in DC, all that''d be left would be tumbleweeds. But when the lies gets tens & hundreds of thousands killed, it''s time to change hands, to say the least.
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by abbe91 August 31, 2007 11:41 AM PDT
abbe91: You forgot about rushman71.

That was the reason for the "(much)" in "not (much) name calling".

My point is that of course you shouldn''''t agree w/ a candidate on everything. You''''d be a mindless stooge if you do (as evidenced by the Bush defenders). There are unfortunately only two parties in the U.S., and of course you can''''t, and probably shouldn''''t, agree with everything on your party''''s platform. But to be a one-issue voter is simply naive. Might as well hand the victory to the other side.
Posted by incog-nito at 11:36 AM : Aug 31, 2007

I could not agree more. We would be better off with a 3 party system.
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by abbe91 August 31, 2007 11:47 AM PDT
abbe91: You forgot about rushman71.

That was the reason for the "(much)" in "not (much) name calling".

My point is that of course you shouldn''''t agree w/ a candidate on everything. You''''d be a mindless stooge if you do (as evidenced by the Bush defenders). There are unfortunately only two parties in the U.S., and of course you can''''t, and probably shouldn''''t, agree with everything on your party''''s platform. But to be a one-issue voter is simply naive. Might as well hand the victory to the other side.
Posted by incog-nito at 11:36 AM : Aug 31, 2007

I could not agree more. We would be better off with a 3 party system.

For tuckerndfw: I would understand you would vote for Ron Paul, even McCain instead of Clinton. McCain is certainly confused about some things but I think he is "clean" about 911. But Giuliani ...
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