September 22, 2009 11:09 AM

The Vietnam And Iraq Endgames

By
Brian Montopoli
(National Review Online)  This column was written by Peter W. Rodman.

For a long time, when it talked about Iraq, the Bush administration avoided Vietnam references like the plague. This was perhaps a reasonable judgment that, even if useful debating points could be made, any mention of the "V-word" would be a psychological and political disaster.

The administration has now dropped the taboo, as we see in the president's speech Wednesday to the Veterans of Foreign Wars. One reason may be that in today's Iraq debate, the analogies that work in its favor are too strong to pass up. I agree with that. The analogies relate to the situation on the ground and the likely consequences of congressional action.

Military historians seem to be converging on a consensus that by the end of 1972, the balance of forces in Vietnam had improved considerably, increasing the prospects for South Vietnam's survival. That balance of forces was reflected in the Paris Agreement of January 1973, and the (Democratic) Congress then proceeded to pull the props out from under that balance of forces over the next 2½ years — abandoning all of Indochina to a bloodbath. This is now a widely accepted narrative of the endgame in Vietnam, and it has haunted the Democrats for a generation.

Will tomorrow's narrative be that the strategic situation in Iraq was starting to improve in 2007 but the Congress tied the president's hands anyway — tipping events toward an American defeat, dooming Iraq to chaos, emboldening Islamist extremists throughout the Middle East and demoralizing all our friends in the region who are on the front line against this scourge? How can the president refrain from making this point? Why on earth should he?

The president is absolutely right to include the Khmer Rouge genocide in his recitation of the Vietnam endgame. When Congress, in the summer of 1973, legislated an end to U.S. military action in, over, or off the shores of Indochina, the only U.S. military activity then going on was air support of a friendly Cambodian government and army desperately defending their country against a North Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge onslaught. "Cambodia is not worth the life of one American flier," Tip O'Neill declared. By 1975, administration pleas to help Cambodia were answered by New York Times articles suggesting the Khmer Rouge would probably be moderate once they came into power and the Cambodian people had a better life to look forward to once we left.

Trying to debunk the president's VFW speech, the Times has lately resuscitated the hoary claim that it was U.S. military activity that destabilized Cambodia in the first place. This claim, alas, is not supportable. What destabilized Cambodia was North Vietnam's occupation of chunks of Cambodian territory from 1965 onwards for use as military bases from which to launch attacks on U.S. and South Vietnamese forces in South Vietnam. Cambodia's ruler, Prince Sihanouk, complained bitterly to us about these North Vietnamese bases in his country and invited us to attack them (which we did from the air in 1969-70). Next came a North Vietnamese attempt to overrun the entire country in March-April 1970, to which U.S. and South Vietnamese forces responded by a limited ground incursion at the end of April.

So the president has his history right. The outcome in Indochina was not foreordained. Congress had the last word, however, between 1973 and 1975.

The strategic consequences of defeat in Indochina were also serious. Leonid Brezhnev crowed that the global "correlation of forces" had shifted in favor of "socialism," and the Soviets went on a geopolitical offensive in the third world for a decade. Demoralized allied leaders in Europe as well as Asia feared the new Soviet aggressiveness and lamented the paralysis of American will. When Saddam invaded Kuwait in 1990, he and his colleagues invoked Vietnam as evidence that U.S. warnings did not need to be taken seriously. That's what it means to lose credibility: Once lost, it has to be re-earned the hard way.

No analogies are ever complete, but — given our global leadership and the number of allies and friends that rely on us for their security — the consequences of an American defeat can be counted on to be terrible. How can anyone seriously think otherwise?


By Peter W. Rodman
Reprinted with permission from National Review Online

National Review Online
  • Brian Montopoli

    Brian Montopoli is the senior political reporter at CBSNews.com.

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by bluestardad August 26, 2007 9:39 AM EDT
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by sjc_1 August 25, 2007 1:25 PM EDT
The problem with present thinking is that there are only a few options for ending a war. One is "victory" (whatever that is) or the other is to stop the funding for the war. The Viet Nam war ended because Congress refused to continue to fund the war during the Ford administration.

It seems to me that we need more than unconditional surrender, the stand off in Korea, or ending funding like in the Viet Nam war. We need to say that if Congress can start a war, they can end that war. Not by refusing to fund it, but just by removing the authorization for that war.

The Iraq was was authorized because of the WMD threat. Lie or not they found NO WMD, so that means that there is no longer a need for the invasion, occupation and war. We know that the real reason for the invasion was oil and NOT WMD, so that reason still exists. Hence, that is why we are still there. It is time that Bush told the people the true reason why we are still there. He will not leave until the Iraqi government hands over all of their oil to the world''s oil companies.
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by johndpatriot August 25, 2007 12:04 AM EDT
It is entirely understandable that american liberals in the mainstream media and their neo-communist cohorts here and abroad are scrambing to spin public opinion away from the Iraq-Vietnam analogy. The post-Vietnam traumatic stress disorder of today''s Democratic Party goes back to two things: the Democrat''s traumatic breakdown with their radical far left wingnuts during the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago is a memory seared in their minds forever. Secondly, the Democrats foray into Vietnam via the Kennedy and Johnson administrations yielded a despicable record which was rewarded by Nixon''s back to back landslide victories. The retreat in Nam from a war which Nixon was winning after the Vietcong were decimated during the Tet Offensive, scarred the Liberals for life. And lets not forget those 50,000 American lives who were sacrificed by the Democrats schizophrenic war effort: they are just as disposable in the revisionism of the left as were the troops who were spat upon and called ''baby killer''s'' by liberal Democrats upon their return to the USA. That''s just in case you actually are buying the liberals'' bolderdash about worrying about ''troops'' being in harm''s way''!
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by mimi611 August 24, 2007 3:27 PM EDT
Let''s be clear about one thing! Whatever happens in Iraq, the death and destruction belong to Bush and the neocons. It''s your souls that must carry this burden. Happy hiking!!!!!
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by sjc_1 August 24, 2007 3:24 PM EDT
There are some similarities, but there are many more differences between the two wars. For one thing, they did not outsource half the war to over paid no bid contractors. I heard Halliburton has received $26 billion in contracts so far. It has gotten to the point where private security guards protect the Army Corp of Engineers. You never saw that in Viet Nam.
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by bluestardad August 24, 2007 12:07 PM EDT
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by August 24, 2007 11:10 AM EDT
Peter W. Rodman is a neo-con liar - the article is an absolute joke, that couldn''t be more one sided then if Joseph Goebbels had written it about the Nazi party.
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by elz523 August 24, 2007 9:43 AM EDT
"Military historians seem to be converging on a consensus that by the end of 1972, the balance of forces in Vietnam had improved considerably, increasing the prospects for South Vietnam''s survival."

What military historians? We were in Vietnam for 15 years and lost tens of thousands of soldiers. And here we are trading with the same countries today with whom we have good relations. There were no dominoes and the fall of Vietnam was pre-ordained. The biggest analogy is that Vietnam was an unwinnable civil war as is Iraq, whose people want us out so they can settle things themselves.

Iraq is not worth the lives of tens of thousands of American soldiers! Rodman if you didn''t have a different agenda from the bulk of the American people you would agree with this.
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by bluestardad August 24, 2007 9:10 AM EDT
JohnShaft4: GREAT POST I WAS GONNA SPANK THIS CHIMP BUT YOU SAID IT ALL!
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by johnshaft4 August 24, 2007 7:52 AM EDT
We ALL should bve grateful for the wisdom that our dear leaders, Bush/Cheney are imparting to us. These important messages and lessons are based on THEIR first hand experience in Viet Nam from when THEY COURAGEOUSLY SERVED our Nation over THERE. How much more credible can it possibly get...
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