Dogs Enter Home And Attack Disabled Woman

Pit Bulls Used Pet Door, Killed Neighbor's Jack Russell Terrier; She's In Serious Condition

(CBS/AP)  Two pit bulls entered a house through a pet door Tuesday and attacked a woman in her bed, mauling her badly, a Pierce County sheriff's spokesman said.

The woman is disabled, and the dogs may have entered her home to attack her caretaker dog, reports CBS affiliate KIRO-TV.

The woman was able to grab a gun and attempt to shoot the dogs, then broke away from the attack and locked herself in her car, calling 911 for help, sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer said.

The 59-year-old woman, identified by neighbors as Sue Gorman, was taken to St. Joseph Medical Center in Tacoma, where she was listed in satisfactory condition.

The pit bulls killed a Jack Russell terrier that entered the house during the attack, Troyer said. The Jack Russell, named Romeo, belonged to a neighbor.

"Romeo, my dog, he probably saved that lady's life," said the boy.

"The thought is that the Jack Russell heard noise in the neighbor's house, came in and was attacked by the dogs," Troyer said.

Firefighters responded first, locking the dogs in the house, treating the woman and calling for an ambulance.

Officers "had to pepper spray and fight the dogs until they were detained. We almost had to shoot them on site," Troyer said.

The dogs were taken to the Humane Society for Tacoma and Pierce County, and will probably be destroyed, he said.

Zack Martin said he owns one of the pit bulls, a 2-year-old female named Betty, and was taking care of the other, a male named Tank, while his owner was out of town. Martin said he had Tank chained up in his backyard because of a past incident in which the two dogs got out and caused trouble together, but he allowed Betty to run loose in the fenced backyard. On Tuesday, he found the chain broken and both dogs gone.

"We never saw it coming," he said. "They're the kinds of dogs you'd let play with your babies."

"It's a horrible, horrible thing that happened," Shellie Wilson, owner of the other dog, told a local television station. "We're devastated. If we could take it back we would. ... We'll do everything we can to help the family and Sue and our neighbors."

It was not immediately known why the dogs entered the house or what set off the attack.

Troyer said Pierce County Animal Control was investigating.

"They’ve had problems over there before a couple of houses down with the dogs," neighbor Ricky Russell told KIRO.

Animal Control Officer Brian Boman, who responded, also said animal control officers have had past run-ins with the pit bulls, but couldn't say exactly how many.

The woman reportedly has a service dog of her own, which was in the house but uninjured.

The woman lives in an unincorporated area of Pierce County on the Key Peninsula.

[bacardistuff]

"play with the babies", eh? I''m just glad to realize that the odds of my kids going to your house to experience the dogs and poor parenting skills are nil.

[random_radar]

Why is it that if a black man just looks cross-eyed at the police, they empty their guns into him; but if a pit bull nearly mauls a disabled woman to death, the police are careful to use pepper spray and apprehend the dog alive?

Why is Michael Vick going to prison for having pit bulls fight each other, but Zach Martin and Shellie Wilson can let their pit bulls nearly kill a human being and just say "Sorry" and expect everything to be okay?

Yes, tell me why we let pit bulls maul and kill babies, children, the disabled, and defenceless without holding the owners accountable?

"We never saw it coming," he said. "They''re the kinds of dogs you''d let play with your babies."

[photogeezer]

Here in California we''d send these dogs to a pet psychiatrist to find out if they''re depressed.
Seriously, pet owners seem to forget that these animals are carnivorous hunters, and that they have a grave responsibility for the harm they could do. Instead, it''s "Isn''t my doggie adorable? If you don''t think so, something''s wrong with YOU". My wife is afraid of dogs, they sense it, and come after her. The owner is nearly always irate when we ask them to keep the dog away from her.

Pit bull owners are a special breed of nut. It''s an in-your-face, I''m as bad as my dog(s) gesture.

[bthrasher102]

I wouldn''t shoot the dogs, if those cops had, PETA would have their badges faster than any other "rights" group would.

[pam1sadge]

I own two pitbulls. Both of my dogs are very sweet. BUT, I would NEVER leave them (or any other dog for that matter) unattended in a backyard they could get out of. This is gross negligence on the part of the dog owner. Some people should never be parents and some people should never own dogs! Pure and simple.

[king77shaw]

time to ban pit bulls - they are a terrorist breed ...

[sgtrds]

I wouldn''''t shoot the dogs, if those cops had, PETA would have their badges faster than any other "rights" group would.
Posted by bthrasher102 at 11:49 AM : Aug 22, 2007

Actually PETA is opposed to all pet ownership. They believe all animals should be free, including pets and even domesticated farm animals like dairy cows. PETA likes to act like the animal lovers friends, but they are not. Besides they also support the ALF, who are nothing more the psychotic home-grown terrorists.

[agnim]

Every time I learn about these beasts mauling humans, I get even more pissed that we (beside being racists to the core) are persecuting Michael Vick for being involved with these dogs fighting themselves.

For mauling that woman, those BEASTS should be shot, drowned, hanged, electrocuted, have their paws pull out, have their teeth pull out, etc, etc.

The owner(s) of those BEASTS should be jailed for as long a period as he would have, had he directly committed that act to the woman.

And the GOVERNMENT SHOULD BAN the production of dogs that are bred specifically for ferocity and fighting.

Banning further mating to produce those beasts would spare humans and GREATLY REDUCE DOG FIGHTING, for which some do not have the stomach.

[agnim]

"Besides they (PETA) also support the ALF, who are nothing more the psychotic home-grown terrorists.
Posted by SgtRDS at 12:04 PM : Aug 22, 2007"

You''ve got those suckers pegged mentally defective and terrorists. LOL

The PETA people are nothing but animal spirits occupying human form.

I do understand that humans should be good custodians to the plants and animals that help to make up our life-giving environment; but the mental cases who are claiming to be about the ''welfare of the animals'' should be institutionalized.
Too bad they are not in Russia, so that they could be shipped to Siberia to cool down. LOL

[gkc99]

""We never saw it coming," he said. "They''re the kinds of dogs you''d let play with your babies."

Bull. If you own a breed like that, chaining them up due to previous trouble, you''re on notice.

These people should be charged with criminal negligence. It''s time to require at least minimum mandatory liability insurance be carried by pit bull owners, just like drivers need mandatory auto insurance.

And the "animal lover" crowd needs to explain why dogs like this should be legal, when various guns are illegal.

In face, here''s a clear instance of when a gun was used to protect human life.

Buy guns, kill pit bulls. It''s that simple.

[gunownerdan]

Too bad she didn''t shoot the dogs. The story says she had a gun, but I guess she didn''t go to the shooting range often enough.....practice makes perfect.
Self Defense:
A-HUMAN-RIGHT.com

[tucano2]

Now we are to hear PETA complain the dogs were offered over-aged meat.

[phil-in-fin]

To GunOwnerDan,

Can''t wait to hear your solution to over population ...

(is it really true, that every problem can be solved with your gun? Wow! You are a one-dimensional kinda guy, GunOwnerDan!)

[the_truth93]

You people that say ban the breed, shoot the dogs, kill them kill them kill them are the same hypocrits that say send Vick to prison for doing exactly what you are suggesting! Make up ur *** minds. either you want to kill em or you want to save em!! Banning the breed and euthanizing the dogs are no different than drowning, electricuting, or hanging them!!! It all brings the same end result!!

Pit Bull owner

[drputt45]

OK, give me a couple of good reasons why these dogs even exist. They are not cute; they are always in trouble and only their mothers love them. Sounds like teenagers to me.

[agnim]

"Banning the breed and euthanizing the dogs are no different than drowning, electricuting, or hanging them!!! It all brings the same end result!!

Pit Bull owner
Posted by the_truth93 at 01:03 PM : Aug 22, 2007"

Nice ''end result'' if you ask me. LOL

By the way, ''banning'' a breed of dog only means no mating or taking a birth control pill.
No harm done!
Humans mauling prevented.
Dog fighting prevented.

Victims of dog mauling should hold the owners of the BEASTS PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE, and exact sanction accordingly.

Blaming the dumb BEASTS is not enough: The mindless owners should additionally take full blame for damage done by their canine se.ex partners; cause I know a lot of you mate your dam dogs. DISGUSTING!

[erasmus6]

I am an animal lover but I believe the dogs should have been shot by the police on site, they are going to be destroyed anyways. At least where I live they would be. Also the owners should be held responsible. Actually I blame the owners more than the dogs. Yes, dogs can be unpredictable but I believe it is the people that own them that make them what they are.

GunOwnerDan

"Too bad she didn''t shoot the dogs."

Yeah she tried though didn''t she? Another inexperienced person with a gun. Who knows how many bullets she fired that missed it''s target. Who knows how many bullets could have gone through the wall and hit an innocent passerby. A bullet could have hit someones child playing outside. People who own guns and don''t know how to use them can do more harm. Even people that do know how to use them panic in situations like this and never hit their intended target.

[teeus]

"We never saw it coming," he said. "They''re the kinds of dogs you''d let play with your babies."

Really? Maybe you idiots should read the article below before letting these animals play with your babies:

http://www.startribune.com/462/story/1367673.html
Pit bull kills 7-year-old Minneapolis boy at home
Father who went to his child%u2019s aid in the basement of their home was attacked before he shot and killed the dog.

[myidoncbs]

Since we''re on the topic of guns and the d.e.v.e.l.o.p.m.e.n.t.a.l.l.y. r.e.t.a.r.d.e.d. (you''ve got to say it real slow for some!) people who love them...

"she had a gun, but I guess she didn''t go to the shooting range often enough.....practice makes perfect."

Actually, no, practice does not make perfect. Mistakes happen all the time. Haven''t you noticed that cops, who are trained and retrained and tested on how to use their weapons still manage to: shoot when there is no need to shoot, shoot at the wrong person, hit objects and people that they didn''t aim for, etc?

If you have a gun, by all means learn how to clean and store it and practice using it at a gun range. At least then you''ll know the general direction to point the thing. However, do not assume that having a gun will make you safe; that you%u2019ll know when to use it; that you will know what to aim at; that you will hit what you aim for and not something or someone else. Your odds of dying by gunshot actually *increase* if you own a gun.

Still, they''re real useful fer huntin'' lions and tigers and bears, oh my!

[skyhawk761]

Yeah she tried though didn''''t she? Another inexperienced person with a gun. Who knows how many bullets she fired that missed it''''s target. Who knows how many bullets could have gone through the wall and hit an innocent passerby. A bullet could have hit someones child playing outside. People who own guns and don''''t know how to use them can do more harm. Even people that do know how to use them panic in situations like this and never hit their intended target.
Posted by erasmus6 at 01:51 PM : Aug 22, 2007

So i guess your answer would have been for her to just lay there and let them chew her ars off? Could of, would of, should of and a buck will get you a cup of coffee. Before complaining about her lack of accuracy, try letting two pitbulls chew on you and see if you can aim straight!

[hedonist3]

People who hate guns haven''t met enough people who deserve to be shot.

[erasmus6]

Skyhawk761

First off, no one should own a gun.
Secondly, if you are going to own a gun KNOW HOW TO USE IT, otherwise don''t get one!

[pared1]

These dogs are known for turning suddenly no matter how they are raised. People who own them should be sentenced to prison when something like this happens.

And gun nuts are just nuts.

[erasmus6]

Hedonist3

"People who hate guns haven''t met enough people who deserve to be shot."

That is because I live in a country that has very strict gun laws. We don''t have lunatics running around with guns and therefore have less crime. We don''t have to worry about getting shot by some ******* neighbor who not only has a gun but doesn''t know how to use it as well.

U.S. children are 12 times more likely to die by gunfire than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (source John Hopkins center for gun policies and Research)(just thought that I would throw that in):)

Now I am not saying that this woman should not have used the gun. She had it, she may have well used it. BUT she should have been trained in using it BEFORE she got it.

[skyhawk761]

First off, no one should own a gun.
Secondly, if you are going to own a gun KNOW HOW TO USE IT, otherwise don''''t get one!
Posted by erasmus6 at 03:23 PM : Aug 22, 2007

I am retired from law enforcement and a Nam vet so I feel I am more than capable of using a weapon, but if I had TWO pit bulls ripping me apart I''m not sure even I could aim straight. I am left leaning on most things, but owning a weapon is something I will always defend. I fully agree that if you take away weapons from law abiding people, the only ones who will have guns will be the criminals. When you come up with an answer on how to get them out of their hands let me know and I''ll pass it along to my fellow officers because that would make them haapy as heck.

[beadazzle]

I am so fed up with hearing about the pit bull terrior in the news all the time for biting or mauling someone. For one thing dogs are pack animals. The breed is not born mean. But what makes a dog attack someone for no apparent reason? We really don''t know.

If it has been trained to fight,yes it can be mean and very dangerous,after all this is a dog that use to be used in the bull rings many years ago,so that in itself would tell you that this breed is very strong.

What about all the other dogs out there say your ever day cocker spaniel down to your tiny chihuahua who bite people all the time and we don''t yell about them to be put to sleep. I know such a tiny dog like the Chihuahua couldn''t kill a person by itself,but the point here is there are more dogs biting and mauling people everyday than the pit bull does.

[beadazzle]

So if we are going to pick on them lets do something like making the owners of the dog get a licence and then both go through a training period on how to handle this animal and obidence training. Make it a law for anyone owning any size of dog that they have to get a licence to own that dog and go through the training.

Also unless the dogs of any breed are bred for show dogs then we need to make it mandatory that any and all dogs be spayed and neutered and you have to have a licence to breed dogs.

Singeling out just one breed is not fair,this needs to be applied to all breed small and large.
To stop the fighting and maulings we need keep our eyes open for people owning a breed that has a reputation for this kind of activity and report them to the authorities so they can come and check if these owners have the proper licence and training,if they don''t then give them a time limit to comply with the law.

Unfortunately it will come to this some day and it may be our only choice to stop the maulings and biting. Many of you I know will disagree with me on this,but I''d like to hear your solutions.

[imaok1]

You don''t need to ban the breed... we just need a law that says if you want to own a pit bull, or any other large, agressive breed, you will be held liable for second degree murder/attempted murder if your dog kills/mauls someone. Period. I''m curious- pit bull owners, if that was truly the case, and you knew you would be held accountable to that degree (as you should be now), would you still own those dogs?

[sgtrds]

Also unless the dogs of any breed are bred for show dogs then we need to make it mandatory that any and all dogs be spayed and neutered and you have to have a licence to breed dogs.

Posted by Beadazzle at 04:26 PM : Aug 22, 2007

I have Shih-Tzu''s, which of course only present the danger of sleeping in your lap, but I disagree with mandatory fixing of male dogs because as it''s done today it involves removing the testicles completely and as far as I''m concerned that''s mutilation of the animal as much as docking the tail or ears (which I also oppose). I''ll get my male dog neutered when they come up with a safe procedure similar to a vasectomy.

[teeus]

"...I know such a tiny dog like the Chihuahua couldn''t kill a person by itself,but the point here is there are more dogs biting and mauling people everyday than the pit bull does..."

No, I''d say the point is EXACTLY the mauling and the killing. That''s like saying the rules for airplanes should be the same as for cars. It''s nonsense because a fender bender is a bit more serious at 29,000 feet. An attack from a 6 pound Chihuahua probably won''t end my life. An attack from a 45 pound pit bull certainly can.

[teeus]

"...I''ll get my male dog neutered when they come up with a safe procedure similar to a vasectomy..."

You do realize that the point is not only to stop the dog from procreating, but also cut down on the testosterone in the dog? A vasectomy won''t stop the little bugger from humping your leg.

[sgtrds]

You do realize that the point is not only to stop the dog from procreating, but also cut down on the testosterone in the dog? A vasectomy won''''t stop the little bugger from humping your leg.

Posted by teeus at 05:44 PM : Aug 22, 2007

Oh I know that (though he never does that anyway because he''s been properly trained), but it still amounts to mutilation.

[pam1sadge]

It is not the fault of the dog - it''s the owner''s responsibility. The article stated that animal control had already been involved with this dog/family. The warning signs were already there, but instead, this owner puts a strong breed dog on a chain (probably inadequate in size, etc.) in a yard that obviously was not secure. Animal control should have stepped in during warning No. 1 and checked out the situation before allowing the owner to resume ownership of the dog(s). And to the poster that said pitbulls are not cute, sorry, but in my opinion they are not only cute but very sweet. I am a responsible pitbull owner, licensed to own the dog, and have gone through two obedience classes. My dogs don''t run wild EVER and they NEVER will. Dogs are dogs and who knows what they can do if their pack leader is not supervising. It''s all about rules, boundaries and limitations. If you own a dog be responsible for it. PERIOD! It''s not the breed of dog!

[imaok1]

pam1sadge- if all dog owners were like you, we''d definitly have a lot less problems. As a dog owner who agrees that it is fully the owners responsibility, not the breed, would you also agree that tough penalties for the owners of dogs who maul are in order? That may cause people to think twice before getting ANY large, strong dog- they will really have to know they can handle it first, or they will face the consequences. While I don''t feel that banning the breed is fair, I can see why people are calling for it. Irresponsible people are ruining it for everybody, so to speak.

[erasmus6]

skyhawk761

"When you come up with an answer on how to get them out of their hands let me know..."

Okay, well let me see....first you could take what''s left of your military and do a house to house search. And whenever you come across a criminal you could shoot them on site and take their guns away. Pretty soon you will have less criminals and less guns!

Seriously though, I realize that it is difficult to take away guns once everybody has one. It is too bad that somebody didn''t shoot the person that thought of allowing everyone to have one in the first place.:)

[erasmus6]

Any dog that is kept on a chain becomes viscious.

[michellem99-2009]

I am against gun ownership and as a disbled person who is legally blind would not have one. I am aware of the right to bear arms as granted by the constution but there are people who should not have access to them. Cops have lost their right to bear arms.
Dogs need to be fixed. If it means castrates fine.Fix yer pets.
Years ago I got bit by a dog in a foster home and I was pissed. I did nothing wrong just looking for another child in the home. The dog''s mistress also my foster mother just sat there while her pet bit my arse. I was pissed at her.
Dog and gun owners need to step upto the plate and do the right thing. In American the dogs are licensed ,yet it is their owners that must license them. Cats too.

[jdubs63]

My Neighbor had a wonderful German Shepherd that every single day at 5pm would play with him in the yard throwing a ball or frisbee. My neighbor never failed doing this. One evening we heard her screaming and the dog attached and took part of her thigh off. This was the family pet, neighborhood pet and a wonderful dog we thought. Something snapped... so you just never know no matter how trained, how loved, neutered or not.

[toolmangler-2009]

It is too bad that somebody didn''''t shoot the person that thought of allowing everyone to have one in the first place.:)
Posted by erasmus6 at 07:03 PM : Aug 22, 2007

RIGHT!!!! If this woman had no gun the dogs would have killed her. I had a 98 lb Siberian Husky That was kept on a 60 foot chain for 8 years. He was loved and played with and walked often. (excuse me, you dont ''walk a Siberian Husky, they ''run'' you,) but it was great exercise for me and Stormy. There was not a mean bone in ''that'' dogs body. Its obvious that you do not know what you are talking about. Grow up child.

[gramto7]

Any dog that is kept on a chain becomes viscious.
Posted by erasmus6 at 07:17 PM

Not true!! I had a wolf mix (63% wolf) that I had to chain as she loved to visit a neighbor who had chickens.... more before she visited than after...

She never changed her personality one bit. She was just as sweet at two and a half years old when I finally couldn''t stand seeing her chained anymore and gave her to someone with more land than me as she was the day I got her when she was three months old.

[toldyouso21]

We never saw it coming," he said. "They''re the kinds of dogs you''d let play with your babies."


Idiots never do. That is why they are called idiots. They''re are the kind of dogs that could turn your babies into steaks. Get real, people cannot and will not ever truly understand the mindset of an animal, domesticated or not. For those bred to fight and kill, any resistance means death, Pit Bulls will continue to maim and maul until the victim stops moving, If the woman had stopped trying to get away, they would have stopped.

At least that is supposed to work in theory. The trouble is, when something is rending you to bits the urge is very strong to get away, but any movement makes them continue the attack.

[toldyouso21]

If you have a gun, by all means learn how to clean and store it and practice using it at a gun range. At least then you''''ll know the general direction to point the thing. However, do not assume that having a gun will make you safe; that you%u2019ll know when to use it; that you will know what to aim at; that you will hit what you aim for and not something or someone else. Your odds of dying by gunshot actually *increase* if you own a gun.

Still, they''''re real useful fer huntin'''' lions and tigers and bears, oh my!
Posted by MyIDonCBS at 02:21 PM : Aug 22, 2007


Yep. cuz the dogs could be mangling your shooting arm, or in some cases, the appearance of a weapon sends some dogs who are trained that way into Kill mode, and the first thing they do is go for the gun arm, the next, the throat of the would be shooter.

[toolmangler-2009]

Yeah she tried though didn''''t she? Another inexperienced person with a gun. Who knows how many bullets she fired that missed
Posted by erasmus6 at 01:51 PM : Aug 22, 2007

Let me hang a (2)65 lb PIT BULLS on your arm and body then tell me then why you couldn''t shoot it (but then it didn''t say if she fired into the ceiling or floor DID IT?). But then you "are" the CANADIAN super woman aren''t you. The ONLY people in the world that are morally justified in their existance. Maybe she was blind and couldn''t see the dogs but shot the floor to run them off. SSShhheeeesssssshhhh!!!!! girl, I use to think you were intelligent but misguided but now I see that you are plain stupid!!!! BTW, I KNOW guns and how to use them well...

[erasmus6]

ToolMangler

"If this woman had no gun the dogs would have killed her."

Do you read the articles?
She attempted to shoot the dogs but didn''t hit them so that isn''t what saved her. What saved her is she managed to get out of the house and into her car where she phoned 911.

And I do know what I am talking about when I say that dogs become viscious when chained. Maybe there are some that won''t but most have a tendency to become viscious. I have been told that from the SPCA and different vets. I have had dogs and friends that have had dogs and the ones that were on chains did become viscious. Not viscious towards their owners but viscious toward people coming onto their property,even when the people were known to the dog. They became more snippy with people even in the house with friends over.

I myself did not put my dogs on a chain. It is wrong. If you have to put them on a chain then don''t have one.

Have you gone into your second childhood, ToolMangler? Sometimes I think you talk just to hear yourself. Or should I say type....

[toldyouso21]

it has been trained to fight,yes it can be mean and very dangerous,after all this is a dog that use to be used in the bull rings many years ago,so that in itself would tell you that this breed is very strong. Posted by Beadazzle at 04:23 PM : Aug 22, 2007

Pit bulls are not a pure bred but are a derivative of bull terriers (which are just as mean, stubborn and lethal once they engage in a fight. Any of these dogs will kill, but pits were bred to be fighting dogs.

There are many methods to make a dog mean, from feeding them gunpowder mixed with raw meat (makes them crazy) to abusing them so that they inherently hate humans. Pit bulls can be loveable and can be downright goofy in their affection, but they all were bred to fight to the death. Mostly, they do so by grabbing other dogs or humans or other animals by the neck, and consistently chewing more and more into their mouth until the victim strangles.

Though they do know how to rend and tear, they usually do the neck hold when they go for the kill, other bites by them are used to incapacitate their victim, so that they either subdue or go for the kill.

A pit will stop attacking (usually) if the victim lies still and does not appear to be alive, but they may stay close and watch it, if the victim tries to leave, they begin all over again. see next post

[toldyouso21]

It is true--humans make or break a dog and make it mean, but if they ever try to get rid of the pits, those with bull terriers can start the generational breeding all over again. My brother raises pits and has 7 of his own in 7 foot tall kennels, with concrete floors and steel fencing welded on top, one of his pits has dug 4 inch gouges into the concrete, trying to get out. He does have to carry liability insurance and also has been sued for his pits attacking a person who was illegally on his property. For at least 3 of his dogs, if they are involved in another killing (of other dogs) they will be put down. His fines have ranged from the vet bills of other dogs, to 5K for injury to a man''s leg.

[toldyouso21]

myself did not put my dogs on a chain. It is wrong. If you have to put them on a chain then don''''t have one.

Have you gone into your second childhood, ToolMangler? Sometimes I think you talk just to hear yourself. Or should I say type....
Posted by erasmus6 at 08:48 PM : Aug 22, 2007


As a child (until I owned dogs) all of my family''s dogs were outside dogs and on chains. My dad was raised on a farm and saw dogs as working animals, not something that should be in the house. Our dogs were mostly for guarding the home. I had several german shephards, several shephard mixes, a labrador and german shepherd and a cockapoo. The cockapoo was the only one that was fenced but never chained up. The rest were poor guard dogs as they loved anyone (and I mean anyone) who happened upon them as long as they did not harm my kid brother) the cockapoo, would bite anything and anyone if you got in his way. Even if you wanted to take your shoe or something away from him, he''d attack. He especially hated strange men and would chase the mailman and others down the street. the chained dogs were sweet always--so either we were very lucky with our dogs back then, or there are flaws in your assertion. Now, I keep my dogs in the house. My purebred cocker is as mean as any pit and would kill if his teeth were large enough.

[erasmus6]

ToolMangler

Do you know how absolutely ridiculous you sound? You are becoming more pathetic everyday. You are making yourself look like an idiot. If I recall I think it was just yesterday or the day before when there were others that were thinking the same as I.

You need to get yourself a hobby where intellegence isn''t needed. You are losing it.

BTW, I ALSO know guns and how to use them....

Just because I am against all people owning them doesn''t mean I don''t know how to use them. My husband is a hunter and we always used to target shoot out in the sticks. I can out shoot him and his buddies any day of the week.

[toldyouso21]

An attack from a 45 pound pit bull certainly can.

Posted by teeus at 05:40 PM : Aug 22, 2007

If you are attacked by a 45 lb pit, a puppy attacked you. Standard is 65+ pound fully ripped with trained males up to 140 lbs---- all muscle.

[toldyouso21]

Okay, well let me see....first you could take what''''s left of your military and do a house to house search. And whenever you come across a criminal you could shoot them on site and take their guns away. Pretty soon you will have less criminals and less guns!

If ever there is a house to house search for guns, look for people to come up with ingenious places to hide guns and for many more to be bargained and traded on the black market. Unless the military wants to rip up floor, tear down walls and literally remove bricks piece by piece , they will never get guns if we don''t want them to have them. Not to mention that using the military on a civilian population is illegal (national defense for that) and if any tried, they''d see our guns alright, while we locked and loaded and shot a lot of them between the eyes. If you think America is hell now with guns, let the military even pretend to want to search and seize our arms.

THIS is exactly why many of us want to bear arms, to counter our military being used against us in any way=--because just like they can be in the employ of a reasonable gov. they can be used by a madman/dictator to quell a population.