Rove On His Legacy And The GOP's Future

Retiring White House Adviser Says That He Feels Good About GOP Candidates

(CBS/AP)  White House political adviser Karl Rove sees encouraging signs for the GOP in the public's strong negative opinions of Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton and the Democratic-run Congress, he said Sunday on Face the Nation.

"I feel good about these men," said Rove, who just resigned his post as President Bush's chief political strategist. "I feel good about their message."

Rove, who is considered the mastermind behind Bush's victories in 2000 and 2004 has a vested interest in the outcome of the 2008 election, after predicting he could build a long-term Republican majority, only to watch as Democrats swept Republicans from power in Congress in voting last year.

Rove disputed suggestions that his brand of politics was intended to play to the Republican base and demonize political opponents. He said the White House won bipartisan support on issues ranging from education and tax cuts and the war in Iraq. But, Rove said strong Democratic resentment of Bush blocked other efforts like immigration and Social Security reform.

"There's some Democrats who never accepted him as president after 2000," Rove told Bob Schieffer. "And there's some Democrats who said, 'You know, the bright path for their party was to obstruct him no matter what.'"

Rove defended his political tactics, which opponents have labeled as divisive.

"You cannot be a candidate like President Bush was in 2004 and get 60 million votes for president, more than any other candidate for president in history," he said. "I know the opposition talks about playing to the base, and I want them to keep thinking that's the right strategy. But you win elections like this president won in 2000 and 2002 and 2004 by broadening the coalition, by getting more people to register and to vote and by persuading people who might have been inclined to the other side to come across for you."

Rove announced last week he would leave the Bush administration by the end of August, return to Texas and spend more time with his family. He said he would leave others to judge the impact of his legacy.

Rove's effect on American politics will be decided by "how the president is judged," said GOP Sen. John McCain of Arizona, who also appeared on Face The Nation.

"And I think the president's going to be judged on what happens, to a large degree what happens in the war in Iraq," McCain said.

As Democratic hopefuls held a debate in Iowa, Rove appeared on three Sunday morning talk shows and stepped up his criticism of Clinton, the New York senator and former first lady.

"She enters the primary season with the highest negatives of any front-runner since the history of polling began," he said. "She has more people who have an unfavorable impression of her than have a favorable impression. And not just in one poll, but in multiple polls."

Clinton, at the debate, responded to Rove's criticism by saying: "I don't think Karl Rove is going to endorse me, but I find it interesting that he's obsessed with me."

Rove said he believes she will get the Democratic nomination, but evaded a question during the broadcast interviews about whether the GOP wanted Clinton to win the Democratic nomination.

"It is what it is," Rove said. "You know, in politics, you can only hope about things that you've got some control over. I'm not voting in the Democratic primary. That's up to Democrats to do."

Top Republican strategists have said in the past that they aimed their harshest comments in 2004 at Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, the eventual nominee, because they wanted Bush to take on Kerry rather than John Edwards, then a senator from North Carolina. Edwards ended up as Kerry's running mate.

Rove disputed that strategy was behind his criticism of Clinton. He said that if Republicans want to win, the nominee must have a "positive, forward-looking, optimistic agenda for the future of the country."

"They have candidates who can carry the message with conviction and passion," he said. "We've got at least four big ones and maybe others. Senator McCain, Mayor Giuliani, Senator Thompson, Governor Romney — these men will be able to articulate that message."

Rove also disputed any suggestion that the president is a lame duck.

"He didn't come here simply to hold the office," Rove said. "He's going to continue to pursue a bold agenda at home and abroad. And he's got 17 months to get a lot of things done. He's going to be using every lever available to the president, which is considerable, to get things done right up to the end."

[lawyertom1]

The Shrub''s nickname for Rove is the most appropriate descriptor possible.

[j-whitman]

Listening to republican strategy, they''ve given up on ''08 and are working towards ''10 -- Surrender Monkey''s

[nyckate]

UUGGHHH -- to hear this thug speak is to despise what he has to say, who he represents and all who supprt and defend him.

On a personal note - what kind of woman was desperate enough to marry this thug? Yuck - getting into bed with him must be like bedding down with a big soft gooey bovine-faced in-the-closet homosexual poof. I mean come on - his is money worth all taht? EWWWWWWW

[johnshaft4]

"*** Blossom" Rove was an excellent student of Mussolini and should be provided the same glorious exit.

[johnshaft4]

Doesn''t this fatso look like the "squeal like a pig" dudette in the movie Deliverance?

[torocaca]

"Rove disputed suggestions that his brand of politics was intended to play to the Republican base and demonize political opponents."


Dispute all he wants. Rove demonized anyone who got in Bush''s way, whether it was McCain in the South Carolina Republican primary or Kerry in the general election.

The American sheep bought it lock, stock, and barrel.

[toldyouso21]

Rove defended his political tactics, which opponents have labeled as divisive.

"You cannot be a candidate like President Bush was in 2004 and get 60 million votes for president, more than any other candidate for president in history," he said. "I know the opposition talks about playing to the base, and I want them to keep thinking that''s the right strategy. But you win elections like this president won in 2000 and 2002 and 2004 by broadening the coalition, by getting more people to register and to vote and by persuading people who might have been inclined to the other side to come across for you."

..."and," Rove added with a smirk and a wink: "it never hurts to have the head of the leading electronic voting machines in the country promise to deliver a state, or to have strong enough majorities in most states to demand that those machines be used and that absolutely NO paper trail be allowed to prove who voted which way" LMAO

Like Bush and Cheney refusing to testify under oath about 9/11 or anything else or for outing an agent or for trying to sell ports to Dubai, or for Halliburtons move to the ME or for Bush repeatedly saying Bin Laden was not a priority in the war on terror--there is just a bunch of stuff that no matter what, they can never explain away. LMAO even more.

[donnie900]

You know what you Liberals are? Hateful. Thats what you are.

[battyellison]

The reporter who was on meet the press after Rove spoke said that Rove was the one leaking information and he said on meet the press he doesn''t recall the conversation? You can Lynch Mike Vick for something alot of people participate in even some of the outraged, but Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzo and Rove can commit perjury at will and no one can hold the criminals accountable. This reminds me of the John Brown laws of yester year. Unity and fairness my A$$

[donnie900]

You people think yer so cool.. YOU THINK YER SO COOL! Well, yer not.. ya hear? Yer fancy cloths and yer fancy girlfriends and x-wives.. and yer fancy houses.. and yer fancy cars. And yer fancy words..

The only thing cool about liberals? Is that they''re the worst losers.

[torocaca]

Schieffer nailed it at the end of the show when he said that the White House will write Petreaus'' report on the success of the "surge" in Iraq. LOL!!! The "General" can''t even be trusted to write his own report.

Deception and prestidigitation have worked very well for Rove, Bush and Cheney.

[donnie900]

When a Liberal loses? He thinks people don''t understand.. He thinks that theres some kind of a.. misleading going on. Because, heaven forbid; ain''t no way he could lose.. anything. He is so.. ********... sure of himself. It is fun.. to watch them lose. It isn''t even hate that ya think that way, neither.. Its fun.

[torocaca]

You know what you Liberals are? Hateful. Thats what you are.
Posted by donnie900 at 02:23 PM : Aug 19, 2007


Yeah, right. You''re the only one attacking other posters and spouting hate on this topic board. ROFLMMFAO!!!!

You haven''t even commented on the topic; just attacked other posters.

ROFLMMFAO!!!!

You''re just a TROLL!!!

A troll is an individual who chronically posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life, as in, %u201COh, ignore her/him, she/he''s just a troll.%u201D

[donnie900]

They attack you left, right, and center. They attack you for spit''n on the sidewalk.. They apply every law they can think of, and they make stuff up in the meantime.

Just remember that, America. I stuck a itch in de whitehouse..

[donnie900]

%u201COh, ignore her/him, she/he''''s just a troll.%u201D

You couldn''t ignore me if ya tried, fella. Thats why my nuts are always itchy..

[abbe91]

CBS should focus less on what Rove thinks than on what he does.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/18/AR2007081801182_pf.html

[nyckate]

Rove ways that war is tough - he said it this morning on the political shows.

What the eff does this slimey cowardly closet **** know about war? Get screwed by Jeffie Gannon dressed in camis is not war - it''s not even playing war.

The Bush administration is made up of liars, thugs, cowards, thieves and conmen. Nothing else.

To still support the Bush Administration is to support Bush''s continuing stripping of America of our values, our assets and our pride.

[shanev137]

LOL...Hay Rove...who is left in your daddie''s administration who hasn''t resigned in shame yet?

[nyckate]

torocaca - I missed that = had switched back to NBC - but last week Keith Oberman had said the same thing -- so basically the Bush Thugs are reviewing and rewriting the general''s report, returning it to him so he can deliver it back to them.

The one thing I realized from today''s interviews is that Karl''s got this seriously delusional and demented need to make a place in history for himself - that''s pretty much his only concern - he loves George and taht''s why he brought George along with him -- but his main concern was nad is not America, the GOP or anything really other than making his place in history. His obsession with place in history overrides everything.

Really - have we ever seen an Administration lower than this one??

[tbweb]

I watched Karl Rove on Meet The Press and Face The Nation today and in both cases it showed Karl Rove true power, his true genius. Looking at Karl Rove in his calm, smooth, very comfortable in-his-skin posture you would think President Bush''s approval rating was 100%, the U.S. was winning the Iraq War easily, there was nothing wrong and everything was just fine. When Karl Rove spoke he not only looked convincing, sounded convincing and acted like everything will be fine, you almost wondered if he was current on the News and World Events. Rove had a clam answer and explanation for everything question, even got in a couple of good licks on Hillary. Soft spoken, very relaxed, very composed, and very powerful, you can''t rattle this dude, Karl Rove!

[donnie900]

.. geez my nuts are itchy.

[donnie900]

And what is a troll, anyway? Huh? Is that not just another label? Call someone who ya don''t like, and ya THINK don''t read de articles.. ya THINK don''t care about de issues.. Because his solutions are different from yer''s. Right?

Let me tell yaz somfin: Not one word came out yer mouths you weren''t look''n in a mirror, pal. Seeing yerself.. Ultimately, thats why people say the things they say. Not because they know people like me, and like Karl Rove.. no. But because they know themselves.

And the really really funny thing about all this stuff? Is that like before.. they think its in the bag. They''re sure''a themselves all over again.. *scratch''n*

[feelfree1]

Re: "Rove On His Legacy And The GOP''s Future"

Rove''s legacy? See the Nuremberg Trials. Many top WWII era Nazis were convicted and hanged for offenses that are remarkably similar to those commited by the Bush regime and their collaborators.

[donnie900]

Well, first of all that there was just a movie. *** Tracy liked them kinda justice teer jerkers. And we ain''t got no shortage''a that nowadays, let me tell ya somfin.

And secondly, the holocaust in Nuremburg was a green eyed beauty afghanni woman in a national geographic magazine. And thats why what you nutballs who think a beejay ain''t nut''n are so wrong.. it is somfin. Its a long, miserable story.. about female prosecution. That can''t be wrong.. ya hear? It can''t be.

[j-whitman]

tbweb,,, Yep, cool calm & collected, he had an answer for every question -
-- Bush should have let him testify instead of "I don''t recall, I can''t remember" other Bush appointees.

[donnie900]

Do you git beejays, j?

[donnie900]

See, I''ve never thought myself no stud before.. Oh sure, I''ve been seduced before. What man hasn''t? But I never thought myself a stud.. Nor "metro-man" before.

I guess I''m just from outer space to you folks.

[tbweb]

tbweb,,, Yep, cool calm & collected, he had an answer for every question -
-- Bush should have let him testify instead of "I don''''t recall, I can''''t remember" other Bush appointees.

Posted by j-whitman at 03:18 PM : Aug 19, 2007,,,

Gonzo can''t even carry Karl Rove''s books! Karl Rove not only love''s Politics, they showed a clip when he was a young college Political Leader plotting Republican strategy and building youth Political coalitions. Rove enjoys Politics as a past time like someone would enjoy bowling, its a hobby for him. Karl Rove may be leaving the Bush administration in body but he''s still in the White House in spirit! Karl Rove isn''t going anywhere, Politics is the very air he breaths, it''s in his blood. In fact Karl Rove will be even more dangerous outside of the White House free from all those Government restrictions. Political opponents may end up wishing he never left!

[j-whitman]

tbweb,, Yep, he inherited it from his grandpa Heir Roverner the Nazi State Party chairman -- As Bush got his from Prescott Bush.

[donnie900]

Anyway, you ************* go on talk''n amongst yerselves. Ignore me, I''ll be "in de loft".

[j-whitman]

donnie900,,,, My attorney advised me not to answer, on the grounds presented to me by the 5th Ammendment ---- I do not recall

[tbweb]

tbweb,, Yep, he inherited it from his grandpa Heir Roverner the Nazi State Party chairman -- As Bush got his from Prescott Bush.

Posted by j-whitman at 03:35 PM : Aug 19, 2007,,,

Do you really believe Karl Rove and Pres. Bush support Nazi ideology and agenda''s just because of their bloodline? Seriously?

[donnie900]

Oh.. shyyyt. Hate when that happens.

[fascistusa]

ZEITGEISTmovie.com.

Carl Rove. The man used the NAZI PLAYBOOK.

Own the Corporate "News". Manipulate the Public with PROPAGANDA. Use FAKE voting systems.

Then, start WARS.

[tbweb]

ZEITGEISTmovie.com.

Carl Rove. The man used the NAZI PLAYBOOK.

Own the Corporate "News". Manipulate the Public with PROPAGANDA. Use FAKE voting systems.

Then, start WARS.

Posted by fascistusa at 03:41 PM : Aug 19, 2007,,,

I saw that movie, the Astrology segment was interesting and building 7 on 9/11 left unanswered questions. What is the point then, the NAZI''s went after the Jews, Karl Rove hasn''t done that. What is his goal of acting like a NAZI if you leave out getting rid of the Jews?, doesn''t make sense. Explain Rove''s objective then.

[downhill240]

"Karl Rove sees encouraging signs for the GOP in the public''s strong negative opinions of Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton and the Democratic-run Congress, he said Sunday on Face the Nation."


The Republicans controlled both houses and the white house for six of the the last seven years.

Karl Rove will one day be looked upon as the worst disaster this country has ever seen.

His use of lies (like the one noted above) is not based on any facts, but rather on his agenda and his desired reality, and his unrequited thirst for power.

He will spend the next 16 months doing dirty work all around the country on behalf of new Republican party. The party he has re-invented does not include the old party mantra which was and still is the Heart of the Republicans Conservative values.

His party is the one of the new values. Namely the party of government intrusion and control. The party of Emperialistic pre-emptive wars. The party of special interest groups like the Military/industrial complex. Read Haliburton, big oil and Boeing.

What is disturbing is the fact that so many "News Media" seem to be driving the acceptability of his version of reality on the masses.

[j-whitman]

tbweb,,, Of course I do.. I''m sure everyone''s seen personality traits passed down from geneeration to generations - Some times it will skip a generation all together..
. There''s a lot more conections to consider including J.P. Morgan & his grandpa with Chase Bank, Bush connections with Union Bank, both funded Hitler''s war efforts.... George 41''s Eugenics company holdings, etc.
.. Prescott Bush lost 3 business undre the Trading With The Enemy Act..
.. During the runnup for the war, one of the 1st things did was oppose launguage of War Profiteering in legislation ---
-- Do the math, it adds up to a lot more circumstantial & recorded evidence than they had on Jose Padilla.

[donnie900]

Well, like in that movie about Nuremburg, ya have to believe what the liberals are telling ya is true. And thats probably the most difficult thing. Two people in a room.. One guy says barely two words, and the other? The others talk''n about him ad infinitum.

Ya never realize how valuable words can be until ya really need''em.

[sharncedar]

The Democrats are self-destructing again. To put Hillary Clinton out there as their candidate revaels the reason the Democrats keep losing -some kind of death wish. She is the most ugly, reprehensible, boring, yet false and deceitful candidate I''ve ever seen. some kind of drag queen lecuring us like a school marm while she cozies up in public to every unpopular cause such as her beloved war in Iraq.

It is enough of an uphill battle to elect the first woman president, but to put out there a candidate with so much negative baggage, one with who not only has made enemies and created fatigue with 58% of Americans, but also a horrible public speaker who is not telegenic and could never have been elected to anything on her own merits, its Democratic incompetence at its worse.

Is Karl Rove a genius, or are the Democrats the biggest bunch of self-defeating idiots in the world? A party of losers determined to lose again? Let me give you a hint, I don''t think Karl Rove is any kind of genius. John Kerry was a horrible choice, Hillary Clinton will be worse. She is the only candidate, besides perhaps Obama Mohammed, who could lose the next election. And the Democrats are going fo her like a dog for vomit.

[donnie900]

And its when ya really need''em that they never seem to come out.. know what I''m say''n? Ya just.. sit there and.. let stuff happen.

Thank God fer Texas.

[tbweb]

Prescott Bush lost 3 business undre the Trading With The Enemy Act..

Posted by j-whitman at 03:50 PM : Aug 19, 2007,,,

I did a little research on Prescott Bush and discovered when he started dealing with the Nazi''s it was before the War, before they went after the Jews, before it was illegal. Based on what I read Prescott Bush had his money and investments tied up with the Nazi''s and it wasn''t easy cutting loose. I think where he went wrong was deciding to stick around, that''s where I stopped reading, I guess I need to research deeper. But on the surface it appears after the War started and the Nazi''s went after the Jews, Prescott Bush may have been unfairly labeled of having collaborated with the Nazi''s when prior to the War the Nazi''s were not illegal. People act strange when their money gets tied up and maybe the Nazi''s wouldn''t let him easily get his money out so he got in trouble sticking around. It''s a serious issue, accusation and it''s important to get that story right, keep an open mind, convict on facts, not speculation or appearances.

[j-whitman]

donnie900,,, That was an old movie, & not too represintitive of the actual trials, think about it as just a primer.... There is a former Nuremberg prosecutor Benjamin B. Ferencz still alive & he''s written several articles on the trials if you are intrested in the facts.

http://www.benferencz.org/index.html

[yamuttya]

Seeing Rove on the Sunday chat shows reminds one again of why the world harbours such a visceral hatred for Bush''s dysfunctional America.
Why hundreds would blow themselves up to strike a blow against the evil empire.
To see this sleazy worm sit there in his self satisfied ,self deception , continuing to spin the lies that have hand -cuffed Anmerica is truly amazing.
The 1971 tape of Rove with Rather depicts a time when wearing a tie, and supporting Nixon was the height of uncool, yet there''s Karl basking in Tricky ***''s glow. To think that this silly frat boy, like Bush, would go through watergate AND THEY WOULD STILL BE RIGHT WING IDIOTS is incredible.
Brain dead ?
Obviously they were so out of step with the times that they spent the rest of their careers
trying to compensate for their humiliation, with predictable, disastrous results ( todays GOP is not G ) .
Rove represents America at it''s cynical , manipulative worst, and America will continue to pay the price for this disgusting aspect of modern American life.
Shame

[j-whitman]

tbweb,,, Tons of materials on the issue, & most is still government records obtained through the Freedom of Information Act.... You can find many books in used book stores, that''s where I really got intrested after my 92 year old aunt was recalling some of it....

Then you have the attempted plot against FDR & the White House by several, Prescott Bush, du Pont, J.P. Morgan & even Rockefeller,,, leaders of U.S. Steel, General Motors, Standard Oil, Chase National Bank, and Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company...
... During the war, Chase Bank, Citi Bank, Union Bank where major financiers while freezing assets of thie customers & investors,,,
,, Union Bank in NYC was one of the 1st places German spy''s reported on arrival...

[j-whitman]

tbweb,,, Prescott Bush was exposed during his 1st attempt at running for Congress & succeded the 2nd time with powerful politicians help from his friends..
.. Similar practices today --- The truth comes out, all efforts are produced to discredit it.. Attack the Messenger.. Just like today''s politics.

[tbweb]

One of the crown jewels of America is that Americans judge each individual on their own merits, their personal deeds. Just because someones family may have Nazi roots don''t brand an individual with the same label. George H. W. Bush states the American system works and it''s true, if someone has Nazi leanings it will come to light and that person will be subject to America''s wrath. The Russians once stated they feared the American Press more than the American Military! The Internet makes the American Press even more lethal. Like they say, the truth will come to the light, and then we''ll deal with it.

[sgtrds]

Rove is a combination of Joseph Goebbels (except more evil) and Baghdad Bob (except not as believable). He is quite simply the single worst thing to happen to American politics as a whole and the republican party in particular. he is the poster boy for slime, lies and phony stories about opponents. he makes the gutless cowardly "swift boat" liars look like boy scouts. His legacy is not complete yet though as he''s not retired, but merely on vacation to get ready to tell even more lies, start more phony rumors, spread more viscous untrue whispering campaigns and make up even more out right false, but sleazy stores about democrats. This little piece of lizard sh*it is not done yet and won''t be until he (hopefully) develops a terminal brain tumor like his mentor, the king of sleazy politics, Lee Atwater. Personally I think his death of some horrible disease can''t come soon enough for the good of America.

[tylenol6]

Rove says, "Republicans can win the presidential election in 2008"

Only if Rove is planning on stealing the election
again like he did for Bush. All I can say is Rove is a piece of *** and hope he ends up in jail with the other losers in the white house. I really don''t think the american people like any democrat or republican presidential candidate. The news media acts like the only candidates are Clinton, Obama, Guiliani and McLame. They are all LOSERS..........CBS, let''s hear more about RON PAUL,KUCINICH AND GRAVEL. Are you afraid???????? The american people are pretty tired of hearing about the phony elites....Ron Paul is winning in
some of the Polls but no one is reporting it.....

[sgtrds]

.. geez my nuts are itchy.

Posted by donnie900 at 02:49 PM : Aug 19, 2007

Too much conservative thinking donnie. That never happens to liberals you know.

[springfever0]

We know that Rove does nothing without purpose, so why is he taking off on Hillary Clinton and no one else?