NEW YORK, Aug. 16, 2007

Atheists Make A Case Against God

Comedienne Julia Sweeney Talks About Giving Up On Religion

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(CBS)  Whether or not God exists is perhaps the most perplexing of life's cosmic questions. It is a debate each of us has probably grappled with at one time or another.

For former "Saturday Night Live" star Julia Sweeney, giving up on religion was anything but easy.

"I had spent so much time thinking about what God meant, I hadn't really spent any time thinking what 'Not-God' meant," she told CBS News correspondent Thalia Assuras. "There was this teeny-weeny voice whispering inside my head, I'm not sure how long it had been there but it suddenly got just one decibel louder and it whispered, 'There is no God.' I tried to ignore it but it got a little louder. 'There is no God, there is no God.' Oh God, there is no God! It was terrifying. You know, it was a terrifying moment to let go of that idea."

Sweeney's most famous "SNL" character was Pat, the gender-confused character who later starred in her own movie.

Even more confusing for Sweeney personally was religion. She comes from a large Irish-Catholic family. But in her 30s, Sweeney says she began a spiritual quest. It led her away from any notion of God — a conversion she turned into a monologue, soon to be released as a film called "Letting Go of God."

But of course, many people would disagree with Sweeney, especially her mother, Geri. She said it was a great shock that her daughter decided that there wasn't enough evidence for her to believe in God.

"I just couldn't believe that she had gotten to that place. I'm Catholic. I intend to continue to be Catholic," Geri Sweeney said. "I think the Catholic Church is a wonderful place."

As a result of her decision about God and religion, Julia Sweeney fell out of touch with her parents.

"They both said they weren't going to speak to me anymore," she said. "My dad said, 'I don't think you should even come to my funeral.' After I hung up I thought, 'Just try and stop me!'"

Julia Sweeney is clearly in the minority in this country. From the classroom with the "Pledge of Allegiance" where students declare that the United States is "one nation under God"; to the world of politics where candidates constantly reference religion; even in the movies like "Evan Almighty, God is everywhere.

In a recent CBS News poll, 82 per cent of Americans said they believe in God — 9 percent in a universal spirit. Just 8 percent say they don't believe in either. They are a small minority, but lately, it seems, an increasingly vocal one.

A new crop of books, written by atheists, is on the bestseller list. For example, "God Is Not Great" by journalist Christopher Hitchens. He believes that nothing is sacred. He aggressively attacks organized religion.

"There are unethical things that people do because of religion they wouldn't do without it," he said. "Mutilating the genitals of their children, blowing themselves up in the attempt to murder other people, banning books, burning each other's churches — things that an atheist wouldn't do."

Atheism, Hitchens says, is the view that there is simply not enough evidence to show that God exists.

"Thus those who claim to know of, by definition, are mistaken," he said. "Well, because those who are religious claim not only that there is a God, which they cannot know, but they claim to know His mind and His instructions, which is much more than any human being can claim to know."

Hitchens believes religion, no matter which faith, no matter where in the world, can bring out the worst in us. Take, he says, his birthplace Northern Ireland.

"... where the Christians kill each other happily and reduced the whole level of society to one of practically underdevelopment," he said.

Also consider the Middle East — the cradle of Christianity, Judaism and Islam. Hitchens has traveled widely in the region.

"To be a foreign correspondent and to go to countries that could and should be civilized and to see them torn to shreds and their culture reduced to beggary and misery by religion is an education I wish everyone could have," Hitchens said.

But Stephen Prothero, who chairs the religious studies department at Boston University, says that atheists miss the fact that religion, while being a source of some terrible evil, is also the greatest force for good.

"And so, if you're gonna criticize — you know, religious people for the Inquisition, then you need to praise them for the civil rights movement," he said. "You need to praise them for getting rid of slavery in the United States, which they did. You can't sort of have it both ways. And similarly, if you're going to praise atheists for these things, you need to criticize the Stalinists. I mean, some of the most murderous regimes that we've had in the 20th century were atheistic regimes."

In his recent book "Religious Literacy," Prothero argues Americans, though religious, actually know little about any faith, let alone their own. And he says while religion has always been a dominant force in American society, lately, it's become much more confrontational.

"We used to have a sort of gentlemen's agreement that religion was private," he said. "And so, if you were against religion, you wouldn't trash the religion of your neighbors — that's sort of un-American and sort of intolerant. But once religion moved into the public arena, anti-abortion or things like that, then it's almost the duty of atheists who are opposed to the religious right to step in and say, 'You know, religion is idiotic. You know, God doesn't exist.' You know, 'Why are we talking about the Bible? It's a pack of lies.'"

It's possible no atheist was more outspoken than the late Madalyn Murray O'Hair. In the 1960s, O'Hair argued all the way to the Supreme Court that forcing her children to pray and read the bible in their public school was unconstitutional. She won.

O'Hair was vilified by many. Ellen Johnson, head of the organization that O'Hair founded, American Atheists, says the stigma persists.

"Atheists are everywhere," Johnson said. "Atheists are your police officers. They are your physicians. They are your teachers. They are your children. We know who the atheists are; unfortunately they're in the closet. But to the people who don't know that, atheists are just your unpatriotic, un-American immoral person."

A Gallup poll not long ago found 44 percent of Americans view atheists harshly and 53 percent said they would never elect an atheist president. The number of people who say they belong to no organized religion, while still small, has been growing. And about 3/4 of us confess to not going to church every week — and that's the easy stuff. We haven't even gotten to following the Ten Commandments. To some, that suggests religion is little more than a habit — a comfortable place to be.

Julia Sweeney says she simply cannot believe in God because of a lack of evidence, but Prothero says that is where faith comes in.

"I have no trouble saying that, you know, we can't prove the existence of God," he said. "I think most Americans feel the same way."

Julia's mother Geri says she was taught in second grade that there was no proof that God exists.

"It doesn't matter a bit to me," she said. "I have a very personal relationship with my God and I don't need any proof. I'm not searching for proof — and she is."

On the plus side, Julia and her family are talking again. They've simply agreed to disagree about religion. But Geri confesses that she still holds out hope.

"I think she will come back," she said.

"I can't say what the future will hold," Julia said, "But I'd be very surprised!"

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by cortazar1 August 16, 2007 6:00 PM PDT
For an interesting take on the spiritual bridge between theism and atheism see D. Midbar''s short essay at

http://www.atheistprayer.blogspot.com
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by cortazar1 August 16, 2007 6:03 PM PDT
For an interesting take on the spiritual bridge between theism and atheism see D. Midbar''s short essay at

http://www.atheistprayer.blogspot.com
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by gtwiecz August 17, 2007 1:26 AM PDT
Love it! I am a moral atheist who is glad to finally see this discussion go mainstream. Let''s leave the dark ages and get into the 21st. century!
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by gtwiecz August 17, 2007 1:31 AM PDT
Richard Dawkins, Christpher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Ellen Johnson, Madeline, Julia Sweeney, Annie Laurie Gaylor, and many others like Norm, Chris, Grace, Jeff....thank you thank thank you...

Let''s make America less ignorant and more secular. Let''s leave religion for the loonies.
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by gjgaudia August 17, 2007 11:05 AM PDT
I can''t wait to see "Atheists Make a Case Against God." Will it be more than the 90 second scrap that has been thrown to Atheists by Bill O''Reilly, Paula Zahn and other "moderators" who see their roles as squelching, screaming protectors of the unenlightened? Will Ellen Johnson, for example, be given an opportunity to state the Atheist position in more than fifty words? Will Atheists be treated with the same respect, say, as Jews, or the Dali Lama? Will they be spoken to as the intelligent, even morally adequate, thinkers that they deserve to be seen as, or will we see another example of Atheists lumped together with snake oil salesmen and devil worshippers? Will their ideas be examined with the same sincerity that is accorded to pronouncements by the Pope or declarations of faith by Billy Graham? I doubt it. I''ll believe it when I see it.
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by freeman99z August 17, 2007 4:11 PM PDT
Thank God!! just kidding. We that know better cant just sit idle and silent and tolerate the christian takeover of what is supposed to be a free country. Think of all the tax free land and real estate owned by religion in this country. I wish I didnt have to pay my taxes.
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by semperfi111 August 17, 2007 8:04 PM PDT
Everyone has a right to their opinion--what a great world we live in. However, if you happen to be clueless about the history of our country, that is simple ignorance. This country was founded on Christian principles and those who are concerned about the "Chrisitan takeover" need go back and brush up on your history. I don''t care who you worship or if you worship, but if you don''t like the principles that this country was founded upon, pack your sack of *** and leave this country--I just returned from Iraq--there is room for you there. Enjoy your freedom of speech--many Christians we there fighting for it so you could sit behind your keyboard and whine. How have you served your country lately? BTW, I love MY GOD!
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by ladyleathern August 17, 2007 9:56 PM PDT
From one Marine to another: You must not be aware of article 11 of the Treaty with Tripoli (1796-97)which states (in part):

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;

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by freeman99z August 18, 2007 10:15 AM PDT


"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies."
-- Thomas Jefferson,
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by freeman99z August 18, 2007 7:12 PM PDT
SemperFi111,

Thanks for your sacrifice and fighting religious extremists. Christianity has also been just as extreme at times, burning witches etc. I would gladly fight for my right to be free from religion. This is a country for free men, not just christians.
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by oakishpines August 18, 2007 7:48 PM PDT


'' ... which came first, eternity or thee earth? ... ''


'' ... eternal storyboards swimming in oceans of eternal storyboards ... ''


'' ... did you shop for yesterday today, or did you preach of tomorrow today? ... little children won their options long before they ever lost them ... so to deny those options is to preach of tomorrow and to forget of yesterday ... if i pick up stray pets and children and put them on leashes because my neighbors tell me so, then was it i what made the world an inescapable place ... ''

'' ... i want to know today what they will do tomorrow, but don''t tell them i want to know: if i force them, they''ll get mad at me and lie ... and don''t spy on them either, they''ll get mad at me and plot to rescue themselves and i''ll have only made more enemys ... ''

'' ... i did it cause he ''kissed'' me! ... but what were you doing to him when he ''kissed'' you? ... ''


'' ... most authorities most time remind all that most folk most time dance get well feed world songs rallied around the sick beds drifting tens millions spore bloom weed dragon trail fickle first aid lunch farm cottage studio trail groups ... ''

'' ... thou shalt not hold hands and weave bouquets ... ''

'' ... if i win, all the enemis will be dead: and i''ll be all alone, if i lose, all the friends will be dead: and i''ll be all alone ... i like war ... ''
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by oakishpines August 18, 2007 7:53 PM PDT

'' ...

money belongs to the non charitable: pay them well

votes belong to the taxing: pay them well

get well soon feed the world songs and dances and skits and kits belong to little children: chase them through the gardens and criticize their naked lazy ignorant profane blemished sorry selfs or suffer the consequences of their arrogance

... ''

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by oakishpines August 18, 2007 8:04 PM PDT

'' ... why do lazy naked ignorant profane blemished kids gotta chase me through gardens criticizing me till i scream and cry and behave? ... i like the old fashioned dare and shock and awe ... fortunately it only takes up less than two percent of my waking time and almost never lasts more than twenty seconds or twenty minutes, and almost never occurs more than once or a few times each day ... ''
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by oakishpines August 18, 2007 8:07 PM PDT

'' ... why do immortals find mortal suffering so envious? ... ''


'' ... careful: every question is a trick question, ambiguity should be a sin ... ''


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by woodcut2 August 19, 2007 2:34 AM PDT
Why does their so-called loving God allow suffering?
Atheism is on the rise, & it''s about time. The religions need to answer questions & not simply say "we believe by faith".
A baby with AIDS has done nothing wrong.... so why doesn''t God let us live in a safe and pleasant world? Because Eve ate an apple?
C''mon, that''s "tooth fairy" stuff.
And worse yet, why does God allow hurricanes to destroy
CHURCHES, the very place he/she/it is worshipped?
(I mean no harm - these are my questions.)
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by woodcut2 August 19, 2007 2:41 AM PDT
Why does their so-called loving God allow suffering?
Atheism is on the rise, & it''s about time. The religions need to answer questions & not simply say "we believe by faith".
A baby with AIDS has done nothing wrong.... so why doesn''t God let us live in a safe and pleasant world? Because Eve ate an apple?
C''mon, that''s "tooth fairy" stuff.
And worse yet, why does God allow hurricanes to destroy
CHURCHES, the very place he/she/it is worshipped?
(I mean no harm - these are my questions.)
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by woodcut2 August 19, 2007 2:57 AM PDT
I''ve reported that my posts came thru 4 times. Sorry.
woodcut2
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by plaintalker7 August 19, 2007 9:24 AM PDT
It''s so easy to generalize and throw everyone into a single bin. Why define an entire group of people by its extremists? Not every sports fan paint themselves and act like an idiot. Nor does every person of faith cause religious wars, are judgemental or demand that everyone think like they do. So using extremists to make your case is pretty weak. I''m guessing that there are moderate athiests as well. They''re welcome to their non-belief as I am to my belief.
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by plaintalker7 August 19, 2007 9:32 AM PDT
Why is it that extremists are used as the example for all religious people? I suppose that makes it much easier to make your case as an athiest, but it''s pretty weak. Not every sports fan paints themselves up and acts like an idiot on game day. Nor does every person of faith support religious wars, are judgemental or demand absolute belief identical to their own. That''s the minority. Most people of faith don''t have a problem with athiests choosing not to believe -- they just disagree and probably pray for them to find faith. They don''t demand it. And I''m sure not all athiests are angry and believe that those who believe in God are stupid -- I''m guessing there are moderate, reasonable atheists.
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by jcorg43 August 19, 2007 9:43 AM PDT
Thank you CBS for presenting an interesting story on faith, or the lack thereof, from the viewpoint of the non-theist. Those of us who have no religious beliefs cannot sit back and allow the zealots to trample upon our rights. The Boston prof.''s assertion that Christians halted slavery is ludicrous, in that Christians actually used the Bible to support slavery as an institution. BTW see www.celebatheists.com for a list of modern notable atheists.
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by macfaith07 August 19, 2007 9:43 AM PDT
After years of enjoying Sunday Morning, this is the first time that I have felt a need to express my dissatisfaction with a segment of the show. Considering that your own research finds that 82 percent of Americans believe in God, I believe that reporting that Atheism is "on the rise" is a misleading, misdirected attempt to incite controversy. I''m not sure when we decided to use deflated comediennes (e.g. Julia Sweeney) as the litmus test for nationwide trends, but a few new outspoken Atheists is certainly not indicative of a paradigmatic shift. I am disappointed that the opposing viewpoint, which happens to be the majority viewpoint, was not given more consideration. The very notion that belief in God requires evidence is antithetical to the whole notion of faith that most Christians cherish, and the idea that "religion" is the same thing as "God" (indicated by the title of the anti-religion book mentioned - God is Not Great) is also unfounded. Like most Americans,I am a patron of free speech and I have no problem with the fact that Atheists are expressing their beliefs (or lack thereof), but I am disappointed by the decision made by CBS to advance an unsupported claim that Atheism is on the rise. I believe that much evidence could be acquired to suggest quite the opposite, and that this story is a clear attempt by the producers to skew the perceptions of the American public.
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by macfaith07 August 19, 2007 9:47 AM PDT
After years of enjoying Sunday Morning, this is the first time that I have felt a need to express my dissatisfaction with a segment of the show. Considering that your own research finds that 82 percent of Americans believe in God, I believe that reporting that Atheism is "on the rise" is a misleading, misdirected attempt to incite controversy. I''m not sure when we decided to use deflated comediennes (e.g. Julia Sweeney) as the litmus test for nationwide trends, but a few new outspoken Atheists is certainly not indicative of a paradigmatic shift. I am disappointed that the opposing viewpoint, which happens to be the majority viewpoint, was not given more consideration. The very notion that belief in God requires evidence is antithetical to the whole notion of faith that most Christians cherish, and the idea that "religion" is the same thing as "God" (indicated by the title of the anti-religion book mentioned - God is Not Great) is also unfounded. Like most Americans, I am a patron of free speech and I have no problem with the fact that Atheists are expressing their beliefs (or lack thereof), but I am disappointed by the decision made by CBS to advance an unsupported claim that Atheism is on the rise. I believe that much evidence could be acquired to suggest quite the opposite, and that this story is a clear attempt by the producers to skew the perceptions of the American public.
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by rltaylor5 August 19, 2007 9:57 AM PDT
The evidence is found in the face of those who say there is NO evidence: Hebrews 11:1 - "Now faith is the SUBSTANCE of things HOPED for; the EVIDENCE of things NOT SEEN." All those atheists need to read the bible and realize because the world is turning away from belief, it is falling into destruction. Julia Sweeny''s mother is content because she believes without (physical) evidence. The atheists are in a "hulabaloo" because of their discontent in their attempts to take away the faith of others. If they read the bible they would know they are following Satan and are part of his missionaries.

It''s all in the bible; the Word of God.
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by mainecowboy2 August 19, 2007 10:01 AM PDT
I just watched "Atheists Make a Case Against God"
I am a Christian and do believe in God.
I listened to both perspectives, then realized that neither the Atheists, nor the Religious focused on God in this story. It was all about what they thought about the actions of People. They talked about organized religion as if that were God. They spoke of war and events in the world as if that were God. Religion in this world, organized or not, is about the people and their beliefs about God.

At the heart of these organizations, though, are people and their behaviors. The issues of the Church, whether Christian or Muslim, or other become the issues of the people in control. Religions are in great part developed by people who don''t like the present status, who want more control for themselves, and many times power.

Iraq is not the battleground of religion, but of people who want power, and of other people who are trying to maintain their power.
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by gilker1 August 19, 2007 10:06 AM PDT
Thank you for presenting this piece. I only wish nonbelief were presented on equal footing with faith. I don''t have a problem with opposing views being presented in the piece but faith-based pieces don''t get the same treatment. So, CBS, I wish you would either present balancing views with every faith-based piece or just present the nonbelief side when you focus on it.
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by cbeckers August 19, 2007 10:17 AM PDT
Your piece on atheists and atheism was subtly judgmental, displaying your own biases. For example, you cited the number of people who "confess" to not attending church regularly, as if they were admitting a criminal act. Don''t you know that, even among Christian faith communities, there are many who neither require nor expect regular attendance? How many Christian groups actually make regular church attendance a measure of faith? The expectation of regular church attendance seems more often sociological than theological.
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by boston1807 August 19, 2007 10:27 AM PDT
I grew up in communism where religion was forbidden. Then I was fighting for freedom of religion, and so am I now, when I say atheist should not be scrutinized. When you grow up in a preaching regime, thinking people take "TRUST ME AND DON%u2019T QUESTION" with great skepticism. So I carry that notion with me where-ever I go. I think religion should be everyone''s own private business. Not forbidden as in communism and not showed down one''s throat as here in the United States. When people are afraid to be different and be proud of whom they are, without the "others" trying to change them I do not think it can be called freedom.
Eg: I am happily married and I don''t understand why a gay couple is not entitled to same rights as I am.If a young girl is left by her significant other and the gentleman has no obligation toward her why should she bare all the consequences if she got pregnant? Why is she submitted to scrutiny from aggressive attackers? It is her life, her choice. Women have been treated as property with no will of their own for way too long. Everyone should fix their own lives before even attempting to be wise about others%u2019.
Frankly, I am starting to see a really scary link between my motherland and my chosen country. Based on history and science in my view: There is no god. All we have is each other. I will respect your views but will not take your attacks silently. I value life as my ONLY chance to make a positive difference. Not destroy the planet or each other.
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by deb_oh_rah August 19, 2007 10:27 AM PDT
I was a bit dismayed that nothing was said about those of us returning to an older belief system, that of neo-paganism. Paganism is an earth-based belief system that quietly affirms there is something bigger than we are that can be accessed for spiritual strength, personal power and comfort in times of trouble. Why is it that only organized religion (Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Islam, etc.) gets the spotlight?
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by thinkeronly August 19, 2007 10:41 AM PDT
Your story on atheism was flimsy, and mostly about religiosity. It started as one person''s story and ended with that person''s assured trip back to god, according to her mother.
This story was about atheist as misguided child; about atheism as unbalanced opinion (in how many churches is the "alternative view" discussed or even mentioned? Horrors!).
I thought your piece was more pandering to religion than discussion of the utter lack of evidence of gods. This was weak, afraid of shadows, and without spine. Try again when you can gin up the courage to tell it like it is.
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by woodcut2 August 19, 2007 10:44 AM PDT
Just like questioning Bush labeled you "unpatriotic" & thus silent, religious people don''t like being questioned. They say it''s based on faith so that ends the discussion. I was once a "born again Christian", now I''m an atheist, gay, proud.
Gay liberation happened because people found out they already knew gay people; soon they''ll discover atheists in their lives.
BY THE WAY, KARL ROVE HAS SUPPOSEDLY ADMITTED TO BEING AN AGNOSTIC (PBS/Bill Moyers). The "architect" of the Bush regime & all the religious hoopla doesn''t even believe what he pushed!
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by googolplex1 August 19, 2007 10:59 AM PDT
I was very interested in seeing your cover story on atheism in the US. Unfortunately, I was very disappointed at the superficial treatment you gave the subject. The few minutes devoted to atheism wasn''t even worth the effort. Stephen Prothero''s statement that believers should be praised for "getting rid of slavery" is absurd when one considers that most slave owners were Christians who used the Bible to support the view that slavery was justified in the first place. That''s like amputating someone''s arm, then telling them "sorry, let me sew that back on for you."
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by human1st August 19, 2007 11:18 AM PDT
I was raised in chruch, attended a Bible College for two years. Today I have no faith in a god or in christians. If athiest were required to tithe for 2000 yrs there would be an athiest community in most towns. At least today there are 8% who are true to their own beliefs and are not required to have the faith of the majority just to survive. Belief in god comes more from our culture than anything else. The behavior of christians is appalling too. "44% of American view athiest harshly" What does that mean? I assume it means if I had a sticker on my car that said "Darwin is my co-pilot" I would be the subject of much ridicule, harasment and possible vandalism. Also christians believe so feverently that everything they read that even slightly criticises them, they think it is SKEWED.
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by eregret August 19, 2007 11:26 AM PDT
Hey - oakishpines,

It is a coward that cowers behind his riddles.
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by extremophil August 19, 2007 11:38 AM PDT
Blind faith can justify anything.....and usually does.
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by nothappyatall August 19, 2007 11:53 AM PDT
There''s LOTS of proof that Hitler was a CHRISTIAN, not an atheist as many like to claim, his speaches were full of god this god that and he acknowleged christianity and it''s beliefs and instigated their worst policies against abortion, ***, *** etc like the right wing evangelicals do now even.

Stalin may have been an atheist but Russia is COMMUNIST, and it was the COOMUNISM that is the problem- the state basically owns you like a cog from a machine.

god doesnt bless people, the lord doesnt help people, and prayers dont work.

www.zeitgeistmovie.com
www.atheists.org
www.evilbible.com
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by fogyreef August 19, 2007 12:13 PM PDT
www.zeitgeist.com is seconded.

Watch it free online.

Why don''t you do a story on all the documentaries coming out, not about the lack of evidence of god, but the overwhelming evidence that Jesus is a plagiarized joke? No one can prove god exists or not, but we have already proven Jesus is a lie. And if Jesus is a lie...
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by fogyreef August 19, 2007 12:17 PM PDT
Sorry, edit: It''s www.zeitgeistmovie.com.
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by eregret August 19, 2007 12:33 PM PDT
I was disappointed with this segment in the fact that you simply cannot present an argument of this magnitude in a 10 minute script. How could it not be one-sided? Also, I found the base that it was set on to be quite shaky at best. I can''t help but think about the negative impact that little segment created on some of it''s viewers. I''m into positives. Granted, as for me, it made me think and I''m a thinker. However, it was too short and shallow for those too busy today to really take interest.
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by gjgaudia August 19, 2007 12:37 PM PDT
What a crock of the "same old, same old." You give the Atheists a few seconds and allow Christian liars like Prothero to dominate a program that professes to allow "Atheists (to) Make a Case Against God." When will you cowardly media apologists really give prominent, articulate Atheists like Ellen Johnson, a chance to say more than the thirty seconds you allot to them. You make me sick!
Gil Gaudia, Ph.D.
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by oleander8 August 19, 2007 12:39 PM PDT
I don''t believe in god, and I have no problems with people who have a private belief system that helps them get through life.

It''s ''organized'' religion that gives ''faith'' a bad name. "My god is better than your god" - "Only people who believe the way I do deserve the good that life has to offer" - "I''m going to kill you if you don''t ''believe'' the same way I do, follow the same rules I do".

You take organization out of religion and the whole world will be better off.
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by shanev137 August 19, 2007 1:08 PM PDT
If you don''t believe there is a God, try studying sacred geometry sometime.
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by briefmickey August 19, 2007 1:21 PM PDT
BELIEVE (BELIEVING) & KNOW (KNOWING)
Those 2 words make the main point. i.e., the majority of the great masses of the whole world opt to BELIEVE in the existence of a God or God(s) but the realistic bottom line is that NO One KNOWS--ACTUALLY KNOWS---that any god exists. Let''s face it---it''s an open question for the time being and maybe for ALL time.
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by cbsreader4 August 19, 2007 1:26 PM PDT
One cannot make a case against God, our creator. One can only state his/her belief in God and whether or not he/she has faith in his divinity.

Whether a person actively practices a religion has little to do with faith. It is one''s belief in God and his/her relationship with him that matters most.

Although the Bible does say that one should not shy from the assemblage of worship in today''s world it''s often difficult to find a church, or religion for that matter, that is entirely devoted to God''s worship and not that of some other purpose.

Thus, in all the Bible''s (or other religious texts) teachings God is saying to us one central theme time and again:

Have faith in him and treat each other well.

If we follow this what "case" needs be made for or against?

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by matt4191 August 19, 2007 1:34 PM PDT
To Oleander8, If you say you have no problem with religion but do have a problem with organized religion is it safe to assume that you have no problem with crime but do have a problem with organized crime? Come on man that one is so old.
You can''t blame organization for mans (or your own)short comings.
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by matt4191 August 19, 2007 1:41 PM PDT
If you see a painting there must be a painter, If you see a building there must be a builder. If you see a creation there must be a creator. To think that this world was created by a Big Bang explosion a long time ago is ridiculous. Explosions destroy, they do not create. If I throw a stick of dynamite into a garage I am never ever going to be able to produce a car. No matter how many times I do it I will never ever open the door of the garage and find a car that is ready to go. I will find a car that will not be ready to go everytime. Explosions destroy, Creators create. It is that simple.
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by celtrebel August 19, 2007 1:57 PM PDT
There is an interesting book entitled ''The G.O.D Experiments, How science is discovering GOD in everything Including us''. By Gary E. Schwartz, PH.D. G.O.D. stands for Guiding, Organizing, Designing Process. Something started all of this.
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by xzavierbrown August 19, 2007 2:00 PM PDT
athiests are so consumed with hate towards GOD that they forgot to live life.

athiesm is all about ''not believing in GOD'' and not
''lets all spend our life trying to blaspehmize the name of GOD". let you life with GOD you have that right..but you dont have the right to blaspehmize.

the wicked and the blaphemous will be punished
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by xzavierbrown August 19, 2007 2:03 PM PDT
CORRECTION::

athiests are so consumed with hate towards GOD that they forgot to live life.

athiesm is all about ''''not believing in GOD'''' and not
''''lets all spend our life trying to blaspehmize the name of GOD". lIVE YOUR life withOUT GOD you have that right..but you dont have the right to blaspehmize.

the wicked and the blaphemous will be punished
Posted by xzavierbrown at 02:00 PM : Aug 19, 2007
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WHEN YOU ATTACK ..YOU FEAR..AND WHEN YOU FEAR YOU BELIEVE..

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by xzavierbrown August 19, 2007 2:09 PM PDT
Julia Sweeney??? a SNL actress??? oh my sweet GOD!!

another athiest on a money making venture....
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by cdgcharlie August 19, 2007 2:51 PM PDT
The first thing I would say to those who don''t believe in gods or goblins is: stop using the term the religionists tagged us with: "atheists". It''s a pejorative term anyway. I tell people when asked "I don''t practice alchemy, astrology or religion." But to directly confront the most ardent religionists invites their anger or rage; you must be careful. What they call "blasphemy" in any major religion is really making fun of their beliefs, and they might kill you for it. We will never get public acknowledgment about religious doubts; those large percentage believers really aren''t sure, but they''ll never tell you that.
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