Atheists Make A Case Against God
Comedienne Julia Sweeney Talks About Giving Up On Religion
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Comedian Julia Sweeney grew up in a religious household, but has since turned to atheism. (Getty Images/Kevin Winter)
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For former "Saturday Night Live" star Julia Sweeney, giving up on religion was anything but easy.
"I had spent so much time thinking about what God meant, I hadn't really spent any time thinking what 'Not-God' meant," she told CBS News correspondent Thalia Assuras. "There was this teeny-weeny voice whispering inside my head, I'm not sure how long it had been there but it suddenly got just one decibel louder and it whispered, 'There is no God.' I tried to ignore it but it got a little louder. 'There is no God, there is no God.' Oh God, there is no God! It was terrifying. You know, it was a terrifying moment to let go of that idea."
Sweeney's most famous "SNL" character was Pat, the gender-confused character who later starred in her own movie.
Even more confusing for Sweeney personally was religion. She comes from a large Irish-Catholic family. But in her 30s, Sweeney says she began a spiritual quest. It led her away from any notion of God — a conversion she turned into a monologue, soon to be released as a film called "Letting Go of God."
But of course, many people would disagree with Sweeney, especially her mother, Geri. She said it was a great shock that her daughter decided that there wasn't enough evidence for her to believe in God.
"I just couldn't believe that she had gotten to that place. I'm Catholic. I intend to continue to be Catholic," Geri Sweeney said. "I think the Catholic Church is a wonderful place."
As a result of her decision about God and religion, Julia Sweeney fell out of touch with her parents.
"They both said they weren't going to speak to me anymore," she said. "My dad said, 'I don't think you should even come to my funeral.' After I hung up I thought, 'Just try and stop me!'"
Julia Sweeney is clearly in the minority in this country. From the classroom with the "Pledge of Allegiance" where students declare that the United States is "one nation under God"; to the world of politics where candidates constantly reference religion; even in the movies like "Evan Almighty, God is everywhere.
In a recent CBS News poll, 82 per cent of Americans said they believe in God — 9 percent in a universal spirit. Just 8 percent say they don't believe in either. They are a small minority, but lately, it seems, an increasingly vocal one.
A new crop of books, written by atheists, is on the bestseller list. For example, "God Is Not Great" by journalist Christopher Hitchens. He believes that nothing is sacred. He aggressively attacks organized religion.
"There are unethical things that people do because of religion they wouldn't do without it," he said. "Mutilating the genitals of their children, blowing themselves up in the attempt to murder other people, banning books, burning each other's churches — things that an atheist wouldn't do."
Atheism, Hitchens says, is the view that there is simply not enough evidence to show that God exists.
"Thus those who claim to know of, by definition, are mistaken," he said. "Well, because those who are religious claim not only that there is a God, which they cannot know, but they claim to know His mind and His instructions, which is much more than any human being can claim to know."
Hitchens believes religion, no matter which faith, no matter where in the world, can bring out the worst in us. Take, he says, his birthplace Northern Ireland.
"... where the Christians kill each other happily and reduced the whole level of society to one of practically underdevelopment," he said.
Also consider the Middle East — the cradle of Christianity, Judaism and Islam. Hitchens has traveled widely in the region.
"To be a foreign correspondent and to go to countries that could and should be civilized and to see them torn to shreds and their culture reduced to beggary and misery by religion is an education I wish everyone could have," Hitchens said.
But Stephen Prothero, who chairs the religious studies department at Boston University, says that atheists miss the fact that religion, while being a source of some terrible evil, is also the greatest force for good.
"And so, if you're gonna criticize — you know, religious people for the Inquisition, then you need to praise them for the civil rights movement," he said. "You need to praise them for getting rid of slavery in the United States, which they did. You can't sort of have it both ways. And similarly, if you're going to praise atheists for these things, you need to criticize the Stalinists. I mean, some of the most murderous regimes that we've had in the 20th century were atheistic regimes."
In his recent book "Religious Literacy," Prothero argues Americans, though religious, actually know little about any faith, let alone their own. And he says while religion has always been a dominant force in American society, lately, it's become much more confrontational.
"We used to have a sort of gentlemen's agreement that religion was private," he said. "And so, if you were against religion, you wouldn't trash the religion of your neighbors — that's sort of un-American and sort of intolerant. But once religion moved into the public arena, anti-abortion or things like that, then it's almost the duty of atheists who are opposed to the religious right to step in and say, 'You know, religion is idiotic. You know, God doesn't exist.' You know, 'Why are we talking about the Bible? It's a pack of lies.'"
It's possible no atheist was more outspoken than the late Madalyn Murray O'Hair. In the 1960s, O'Hair argued all the way to the Supreme Court that forcing her children to pray and read the bible in their public school was unconstitutional. She won.
O'Hair was vilified by many. Ellen Johnson, head of the organization that O'Hair founded, American Atheists, says the stigma persists.
"Atheists are everywhere," Johnson said. "Atheists are your police officers. They are your physicians. They are your teachers. They are your children. We know who the atheists are; unfortunately they're in the closet. But to the people who don't know that, atheists are just your unpatriotic, un-American immoral person."
A Gallup poll not long ago found 44 percent of Americans view atheists harshly and 53 percent said they would never elect an atheist president. The number of people who say they belong to no organized religion, while still small, has been growing. And about 3/4 of us confess to not going to church every week — and that's the easy stuff. We haven't even gotten to following the Ten Commandments. To some, that suggests religion is little more than a habit — a comfortable place to be.
Julia Sweeney says she simply cannot believe in God because of a lack of evidence, but Prothero says that is where faith comes in.
"I have no trouble saying that, you know, we can't prove the existence of God," he said. "I think most Americans feel the same way."
Julia's mother Geri says she was taught in second grade that there was no proof that God exists.
"It doesn't matter a bit to me," she said. "I have a very personal relationship with my God and I don't need any proof. I'm not searching for proof — and she is."
On the plus side, Julia and her family are talking again. They've simply agreed to disagree about religion. But Geri confesses that she still holds out hope.
"I think she will come back," she said.
"I can't say what the future will hold," Julia said, "But I'd be very surprised!"
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Let''s make America less ignorant and more secular. Let''s leave religion for the loonies.
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;
"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies."
-- Thomas Jefferson,
Thanks for your sacrifice and fighting religious extremists. Christianity has also been just as extreme at times, burning witches etc. I would gladly fight for my right to be free from religion. This is a country for free men, not just christians.
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'' ... did you shop for yesterday today, or did you preach of tomorrow today? ... little children won their options long before they ever lost them ... so to deny those options is to preach of tomorrow and to forget of yesterday ... if i pick up stray pets and children and put them on leashes because my neighbors tell me so, then was it i what made the world an inescapable place ... ''
'' ... i want to know today what they will do tomorrow, but don''t tell them i want to know: if i force them, they''ll get mad at me and lie ... and don''t spy on them either, they''ll get mad at me and plot to rescue themselves and i''ll have only made more enemys ... ''
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'' ... why do lazy naked ignorant profane blemished kids gotta chase me through gardens criticizing me till i scream and cry and behave? ... i like the old fashioned dare and shock and awe ... fortunately it only takes up less than two percent of my waking time and almost never lasts more than twenty seconds or twenty minutes, and almost never occurs more than once or a few times each day ... ''
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Atheism is on the rise, & it''s about time. The religions need to answer questions & not simply say "we believe by faith".
A baby with AIDS has done nothing wrong.... so why doesn''t God let us live in a safe and pleasant world? Because Eve ate an apple?
C''mon, that''s "tooth fairy" stuff.
And worse yet, why does God allow hurricanes to destroy
CHURCHES, the very place he/she/it is worshipped?
(I mean no harm - these are my questions.)
Atheism is on the rise, & it''s about time. The religions need to answer questions & not simply say "we believe by faith".
A baby with AIDS has done nothing wrong.... so why doesn''t God let us live in a safe and pleasant world? Because Eve ate an apple?
C''mon, that''s "tooth fairy" stuff.
And worse yet, why does God allow hurricanes to destroy
CHURCHES, the very place he/she/it is worshipped?
(I mean no harm - these are my questions.)
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It''s all in the bible; the Word of God.
I am a Christian and do believe in God.
I listened to both perspectives, then realized that neither the Atheists, nor the Religious focused on God in this story. It was all about what they thought about the actions of People. They talked about organized religion as if that were God. They spoke of war and events in the world as if that were God. Religion in this world, organized or not, is about the people and their beliefs about God.
At the heart of these organizations, though, are people and their behaviors. The issues of the Church, whether Christian or Muslim, or other become the issues of the people in control. Religions are in great part developed by people who don''t like the present status, who want more control for themselves, and many times power.
Iraq is not the battleground of religion, but of people who want power, and of other people who are trying to maintain their power.
Eg: I am happily married and I don''t understand why a gay couple is not entitled to same rights as I am.If a young girl is left by her significant other and the gentleman has no obligation toward her why should she bare all the consequences if she got pregnant? Why is she submitted to scrutiny from aggressive attackers? It is her life, her choice. Women have been treated as property with no will of their own for way too long. Everyone should fix their own lives before even attempting to be wise about others%u2019.
Frankly, I am starting to see a really scary link between my motherland and my chosen country. Based on history and science in my view: There is no god. All we have is each other. I will respect your views but will not take your attacks silently. I value life as my ONLY chance to make a positive difference. Not destroy the planet or each other.
This story was about atheist as misguided child; about atheism as unbalanced opinion (in how many churches is the "alternative view" discussed or even mentioned? Horrors!).
I thought your piece was more pandering to religion than discussion of the utter lack of evidence of gods. This was weak, afraid of shadows, and without spine. Try again when you can gin up the courage to tell it like it is.
Gay liberation happened because people found out they already knew gay people; soon they''ll discover atheists in their lives.
BY THE WAY, KARL ROVE HAS SUPPOSEDLY ADMITTED TO BEING AN AGNOSTIC (PBS/Bill Moyers). The "architect" of the Bush regime & all the religious hoopla doesn''t even believe what he pushed!
It is a coward that cowers behind his riddles.
Stalin may have been an atheist but Russia is COMMUNIST, and it was the COOMUNISM that is the problem- the state basically owns you like a cog from a machine.
god doesnt bless people, the lord doesnt help people, and prayers dont work.
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Why don''t you do a story on all the documentaries coming out, not about the lack of evidence of god, but the overwhelming evidence that Jesus is a plagiarized joke? No one can prove god exists or not, but we have already proven Jesus is a lie. And if Jesus is a lie...
Gil Gaudia, Ph.D.
It''s ''organized'' religion that gives ''faith'' a bad name. "My god is better than your god" - "Only people who believe the way I do deserve the good that life has to offer" - "I''m going to kill you if you don''t ''believe'' the same way I do, follow the same rules I do".
You take organization out of religion and the whole world will be better off.
Those 2 words make the main point. i.e., the majority of the great masses of the whole world opt to BELIEVE in the existence of a God or God(s) but the realistic bottom line is that NO One KNOWS--ACTUALLY KNOWS---that any god exists. Let''s face it---it''s an open question for the time being and maybe for ALL time.
Whether a person actively practices a religion has little to do with faith. It is one''s belief in God and his/her relationship with him that matters most.
Although the Bible does say that one should not shy from the assemblage of worship in today''s world it''s often difficult to find a church, or religion for that matter, that is entirely devoted to God''s worship and not that of some other purpose.
Thus, in all the Bible''s (or other religious texts) teachings God is saying to us one central theme time and again:
Have faith in him and treat each other well.
If we follow this what "case" needs be made for or against?
You can''t blame organization for mans (or your own)short comings.
athiesm is all about ''not believing in GOD'' and not
''lets all spend our life trying to blaspehmize the name of GOD". let you life with GOD you have that right..but you dont have the right to blaspehmize.
the wicked and the blaphemous will be punished
athiests are so consumed with hate towards GOD that they forgot to live life.
athiesm is all about ''''not believing in GOD'''' and not
''''lets all spend our life trying to blaspehmize the name of GOD". lIVE YOUR life withOUT GOD you have that right..but you dont have the right to blaspehmize.
the wicked and the blaphemous will be punished
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