Giuliani Touts ID Card Plan For Foreigners

GOP Presidential Hopeful Vows To Stop Flow Of Illegal Immigrants

(AP)  Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani vowed Tuesday to stop the flow of illegal immigrants into the United States by closely tracking visitors to the country and beefing up border security.

"We can end illegal immigration. I promise you, we can end illegal immigration," the former New York mayor said at a community center — the first of the day's two stops in this early voting state.

Giuliani said he would require a uniform identification card for foreign workers and students and create a central database to track the legal status of visitors to the country. He told the crowd of more than 300 that 12 million immigrants have entered the country illegally.

"That's a lot of people to walk over your border without being identified," he said.

Giuliani wants a tamperproof ID card that includes fingerprinting for everyone entering the country and a central database to track when they leave.

The ID card and other immigration proposals have been part of Giuliani's campaign speeches for several months. He says he would allow a pathway to citizenship only for illegal immigrants who identify themselves as illegal, who learn English and who go to the back of the line to apply.

They would get ID cards to stay and work. "If you want to work — pay your fair share — we'll sign you up. People who don't come forward, I would fine and throw out of the country," Giuliani said later Tuesday, during a campaign stop in Columbia.

In recent days, rival Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor whose state has been home to a few self-proclaimed "sanctuary cities," such as Cambridge, Mass., has repeatedly criticized Giuliani, arguing that he supported illegal immigration when he was mayor. Giuliani rejected the charge.

Romney argues that Giuliani "instructed city workers not to provide information to the federal government that would allow them to enforce the law. New York City was the poster child for sanctuary cities in the country."

But New York has never officially declared itself a "sanctuary city." Last month, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg told Congress that the city protects residents' confidentiality when they report a crime or seek medical care or education — a local policy that dates to 1988.

Giuliani defended and supported that executive order while mayor. In South Carolina on Tuesday, Giuliani did not take questions from reporters.

Bloomberg has said repeatedly that immigrants are important contributors to the city's economy and crucial to the city's survival. Asked Monday about the idea of New York City as a sanctuary for immigrants, Bloomberg said, "let 'em come."

"I can't think of any laboratory that shows better why you need a stream of immigrants than New York City," he added. "I don't know what to tell anybody. They just — if they don't believe that immigrants add a heck of a lot more than they cost, they just aren't looking at the numbers."

Answering Romney last week, Giuliani said New York "had the least amount of illegality per capita of any major city in the country and I brought that change about."

In South Carolina Tuesday, Giuliani said he would continue construction of a border fence, deport any illegal alien who commits a felony and propose that all immigrants who want to become citizens learn English.

Giuliani and Romney opposed the bipartisan immigration legislation backed by President Bush. Rival Sen. John McCain of Arizona was the only Republican candidate to support the measure.

During his Columbia stop, Giuliani told a crowd of about 100 that competition, tax credits and high deductibles would do more to increase the spread of health care than expanding government programs. He slammed plans for universal health care, something long backed by Democratic rival Sen. Hillary Clinton.

"What Hillary wants to do is not an American solution to the problem. It's a solution that marches us — and boy do they get angry about this, but sometimes the truth hurts — it marches us right to socialized medicine," he said.

Giuliani planned to wrap up the South Carolina trip with a private fundraiser in Florence, the largest city in South Carolina's tobacco country, about 80 miles east of Columbia.

[realpatriot1]

This is a more sensible proposal than a fence that will not be able to keep determined people from tunneling or breaking their way through.

It will only make a differnce if the cards are more difficult to counterfeit than green cards, social security cards,etc.

It's also only a part of a comprehensive reform, other issues such as guest worker status and employer behavior still need to be addressed.

[abbe91]

"It's also only a part of a comprehensive reform, other issues such as guest worker status and employer behavior still need to be addressed.

Posted by realpatriot1 at 08:53 AM : Aug 15, 2007"

and the main issues, I think

This story immediately raises a question. How do you tell at first sight who's US citizen and who's not ?
So, next step will be an ID for everybody, US citizen or not, and next step to include RFID.

[briannorwood]

ID Cards? What a schmuck!

So now, I get pulled over for speeding, then what? The cops ask me for my foreign ID card and I say no, because I am a US citizen. What's to stop an illegal from doing the same thing?

Same thing for working. What will this magical ID card do that's different from existing forms of ID (SSN, Driver's license, etc.)?

Does the fact that I don't have one mean I'm an illegal or legal citizen.

Like most of this guy's flip-flopping ideas, this one is really stupid!

[rushlimpdrug]

I'll take two, one for me and one for Jose, make that three I need one for Chan also, actually make it four one for Muhamad also, . . . .

[rocketjl]

It would be nice for him to identify who is at fault for the US having 12 million illegal aliens and whether the flow across our borders has been stopped. If the candidate is afraid to point a finger at Congress now, that will speak to his conduct - if elected.

[realpatriot1]

To report lost or stolen id cards call 1-800-RUDI.

[jjp735i]

I don't really have an issue that people come looking for work. However I do have an issue with the fact that most do not pay taxes, yet claim the benefits of schools, health care and even credit cards with no credit checks needed.

I hate that I have to push 1 for English or 2 or Spanish. Not because I hate Spanish, but because it cost companies to run their customer service lines money. Cost that get passed on to us. Please do not say that cost is small, because it is not.

Stores are posting signs in both English and Spanish. Again, those signs cost and we pay for it in increased pricing.

America gets millions of visitors from other counties every year. I do not see signs or other such notices in their languages. They learned English. Those that speak Spanish should also learn English.

[starleo146]

I know this is off point but have you guys ever seen an article on a news story leave a board so fast as Rove's story. I went back last night and as far as I know just got there yesterday and all the posting from everyone was gone and today no where to be found is this a normal procedure or are they looking at anything? I am so paranoid lately what do you think guys? If you think I should not mention it here we will move on O.K.

[Razzl]

I don't get it--aren't the new super-duper passport requirements supposed to cover the documentation problem? For guys who claim to hate government bureaucracy these Republicans have no qualms about creating more when it serves their pet interests of militarism, authoritarianism, and using fear as a tool of social control. This is the same party that was prepared to massacre its own dissenting citizens during the Vietnam era (Chicago '68 and Kent State) and are prepared to investigate, jail, or even execute anybody who seriously impedes their current grip on power. The more the public rejects their rule, the more they will view us as the enemy. Let's not wait around to watch the slide into Republican Fascism, let's make sure '08 cleans them out of government completely...

[prinzowhales]

Foreigners already have an ID card--its called a "passport". If its not stamped, they are here illegally and should be held for the INS. Not so in Rudi-land. The city run by this gutter-mafiosi was a sanctuary city...where MS-13 gang members run about free as birds...where well-heeled liberals have their undocumented maids, dog walkers and babysitters paid off the books and the tax payer picks up the bill for their social servies.

One out of every ten people born in Mexico live in the United States. The criminal regime in Mexico City that the Washington Regime supports is one of the most corrupt and venal regimes outside of Africa. The average wage is less than $4 a day. They need a revolution in Mexico even more than we need one in the United States and we can help bring this about by closing the safety valve for it on our southern border.

Mexico is a rich and vibrant land that is being looted three ways from Sunday by a criminal elite. Down with the Mexican Regime! Viva Zapata!!

[mitywhity]

Go Rudy Go! Fangerprint them dad-burned fern invaders! This is the only way to account for them and be able to separate the legit from the illegit. BUT it will only work as long as employers are forced to employee only those who are legitimately here and that will relegate the rest of them back to where ever they came from or at least another country. When my people came here from Ireland they were deloused and quarrantined for over a month and then they still couldn't get work because they were catholic. So don't think for a minute I feel guilt over any treatment these people are getting. It's better than they deserve. My people didn't get any welfare either!

[mitywhity]

What's wrong with a National Identification Card? I would love one myself to show that I am an American and I wouldn't want to be anything else. If any of you are having sympathy for the illegals, try to emigrate to say...New Zealand. Guess what? 99% of you couldn't do it because unless you are bringing lots of money or a very important professional skillset (Engineering or Medical Doctor) you are not welcome! What is wrong with us that we allow the lowest common denominator of third-world countries to come here and get relief from our tax dollars to pay for their children? I was born 150 years too late.

[olebd]

So, what is he propsing we do about the millions of illegals already here? Do we really think all of them will step forward for a ID card? And if they do, wouldn't that be a form of amnesty for the illegal law breakers?

This plan won't work either. Stop being nice, stop being polite, stop being PC for the ACLU or whatever Latino organization of the week, stop beating around the Bush. Seal the border, find the law breakers one by one and deport. Then get a grip on who we have coming in legally with some sort of ID system. Those who do it legally should and will then reap the benefits.

[olebd]

FARKING DUMMY POLITICIANS! I'M SICK OF THEM ALL!!

[grazinggoat]

Will it be an arm-band with yellow writing on it?

[grazinggoat]

CBS News: '"If you want to work %u2014 pay your fair share %u2014 we'll sign you up. People who don't come forward, I would fine and throw out of the country."------------------------------------------------- Rudy Giuliani '

-Very Humanistic. Sorry this is not a quality of Repukons.

[pepperp1]

This from the Mayor who invited, advertised for illegals to come to NYC, as the most desired and THAT HE WOULD PROTECT THEM from who Americas Laws, and guess what he did now we have 28 to 33 Million in the country and our borders wide open until last month and so Rudy%u2019s invited guest could come join him and be protected. SLIMe.

[nottellin1]

So Gulianis plan is not basically the same as the failed reform because?? Looks about the same to me and isnt it interesting how this piece begins talking about illegal immigration then about half way through, labels them simply immigrants. So biased!!

[trekentia]

The corporate media talk about Giuliani as if he has any credibility. This is the guy who used his command center as a place to have extramarital affairs, and the guy who the other day stated that he spent as much time at 9/11 ground zero as did the rescue workers.

[condumism]

Difference between an illegal alien and a Republicon? Both have broken the law, thus NO DIFFERNCE!

[rushlimpdrug]

know this is off point but have you guys ever seen an article on a news story leave a board so fast as Rove's story. . . . I am so paranoid lately what do you think guys? If you think I should not mention it here we will move on O.K.
Posted by starleo146

CBs does this all the time. The site is run by low wage interns in India. About being paranoid - the bushies love you for it. Fear is their #1 motivating factor. You should actually just chill. They can't kill us all - at least not all at once. They don't have a gas chamber big enough.

[donnie900]

Any sexxxxy indian women in here?

[jack3213]

For those who do care about the direction of USA, it is important to have a plan in regards to all issues, including health care and immigration. Atleast this candidate has a logical plan, one that makes sense, except for what to do with the illegals that are already here ( good point, btw)
It's nice to hear a plan that makes sense, and not alot of fluff and fiction. The future depends on plans made by a leader who has proven success in the past. Bottom Line: I do not want to see a man or a woman,in office who has disrespected the House with lies by sayiing they do not knnow what "***" is! It is fully disgraceful.

[kiwi_chick]

I'm a resident alien. Dumb fu(k Rudy should realize, there is a fu(king card out there for all of us legal aliens - whether we are permanent residents or guest workers. The cards contain our photos and thumb print. If you don't have a card you need to freaking leave.I hate politicians...they're the slimiest lying pieces of *** on this earth. They love having illegals here.

[huskerarmy]

"Atleast this candidate has a logical plan..."
Logical? Unfortunately today gimmicks like this all too often substitute for truely "logical plans."

[sevenveils]

This proposal shows how out of touch with reality Giuliani is. In essence his plan is to issue a card to every illegal and legal alien entering the country to identify them as such. If an alien doesn't have a "card", then it's neither illegal or legal.

As if people entering this country don;t have enough cards (green, pink, yellow and red if they are to be sidelined)

[jack3213]

Perhaps if any of you who are so=critical either about any candidate or their plan come up with a better solution or "logical" person to run for Office, we all would like to hear it. If you feel that any politician is worthless then you are free to move to another country. If all you want to do is complain about how bad you have it try moving somewhere else and tell us about that too. It gets so tiring to read comments that are extremely critical and biased as the"CBS" website itself.

[shingles1]

Overheard:

Giuliani combines Bush's foreign policy genius with Clinton's sexual impulse control.

[ckcool192001]

Hey Rudy, Maybe we should just give everyone a name tag so we can all know each other's name. This is just one step toward a National ID card.

I will give him credit...at least he/or one of his advisors has spent time coming up with this plan.

The only problem with this is, if this database he speaks of tells him that this person's green card or temp work card has expired..how does he suggest finding these people to deport them? This would be a waste of tax payer money because enforcement would be next to impossible.

[usadvisor101]

if you liked bush than here is the perfect clown for you !!!

he has gone out and got like 30 or more of bushs smear nazis to work for him.

if your a former oil exec or draft dodgin silver spoon lazyazz, you gotta appreciate how he claimed 7000 in income while going through his divorce, then now has over 30,000,000.00

one of those rove like neoclown nazis must have finally figured out that most americans are against illegals.

good call, pull on the heart strings of america, now time to pull some rove like move and smear the guy next to you !!!

[randaids]

Will it be an arm-band with yellow writing on it?
Posted by grazinggoat at 10:28 AM : Aug 15, 2007

Oh come on now, like a US National ID card would in any way equate to Nazi Germany. As stated by Prinzowhales, citizens with passports already do have a national ID. If required to carry them, passports would most definately seperate legal citizens from illegal aliens. What makes a national ID so different than a passport?

[usadvisor101]

I'm a resident alien. Dumb fu(k Rudy should realize, there is a fu(king card out there for all of us legal aliens - whether we are permanent residents or guest workers. The cards contain our photos and thumb print. If you don't have a card you need to freaking leave.I hate politicians...they're the slimiest lying P O S on this earth. They love having illegals here.
Posted by kiwi_chick at 11:27 AM : Aug 15, 2007



yes, good point shows how stupid he is. he wont come out and say dont have them come here. he probably has several at his residence doing his cleaning and yard work, that dont have green cards!!

[randaids]

I'm a resident alien. Dumb fu(k Rudy should realize, there is a fu(king card out there for all of us legal aliens - whether we are permanent residents or guest workers. The cards contain our photos and thumb print. If you don't have a card you need to freaking leave.I hate politicians...they're the slimiest lying pieces of *** on this earth. They love having illegals here.
Posted by kiwi_chick at 11:27 AM : Aug 15, 2007

Good for you for doing it the right way!

[klingon69]

Posted by RandaIDS at 12:11 PM : Aug 15, 2007
Randal;
you're back, thought you'd been shot or something. So, what's for dinner?

[dallison7]

Giuliani combines Bush's foreign policy genius with Clinton's sexual impulse control.
Posted by shingles1


Naw, every time Rudy has an affair, he marries her.

[ckcool192001]

My point here is that it all comes down to enforcement.

And the fact is, No matter how big your database is and how many immigrants are in it, If somone decides they are going to stay in this country illegaly no ID card or Database is going to help you find them.

The immigration issue needs begin with:
1. Secure US borders with Mexico and Canada.
2. Random imspections of any business in an ongoing basis to check for illegal workers.
3. Ask for proof of citizenship when visiting the doctor or hospital. If proof cannot be found bill the person, and turn patient contact information over to Immigration officials.
4. Remove the clause that allows babies born of illegal immigrants to automatically be american citizens.

These are just a few of the steps that need to be taken, because face it, illegal expecting mothers want to have their baby in America so that their child will be a citizen. People come here to work and make money to send to their family in their home country...and if the person is an illegal immigrant the money is tax free.

If we laws are made that will punish employers for employing illegal aliens and have regular random inspections companies will be afraid to hire illegal immigrants. If illegal immigrants can't find a job, why and how would they stay here?

If we remove the motivation for mothers to have their children on american soil why would they come to the US and cost tax payers money to have her child?

[mcvet]

And HOW do we know who is a citizen and who isn't ? Do we just card everyone or just a targeted few? People this isn't going to help. MORE hatred and Bigotry isn't going to help and we all KNOW who this low life is targeting now don't we. The QUICKEST way to put this nation into a worse position is to create HATRED with your neighbor NEXT DOOR for God sake. We need a Leader who is going to bring JUSTICE to those who attacked this nation and one who sends the World the message that Presidents since George Washington have been sending. YOU attack us and YOU WILL PAY. It's time we STOPPED these Fascist... they are NOT smart enough to govern and they are creating divisions within our people. We can NOT fight this thing with secret police and Swastika's. Time to change course PERIOD!! Sieg Heil Giulinia!!

[mcvet]

And HOW do we know who is a citizen and who isn't ? Do we just card everyone or just a targeted few? People this isn't going to help. MORE hatred and Bigotry isn't going to help and we all KNOW who this low life is targeting now don't we. The QUICKEST way to put this nation into a worse position is to create HATRED with your neighbor NEXT DOOR for God sake. We need a Leader who is going to bring JUSTICE to those who attacked this nation and one who sends the World the message that Presidents since George Washington have been sending. YOU attack us and YOU WILL PAY. It's time we STOPPED these Fascist... they are NOT smart enough to govern and they are creating divisions within our people. We can NOT fight this thing with secret police and Swastika's. Time to change course PERIOD!! Sieg Heil Giulinia!!

[skyk-2009]

This is AMERICA for Gods shake! How far down are we going to let these people drag us before we stand up. Someone needs to take charge who can get our alliances back together and AGRESSIVELY go after those who attacked us. These people can't govern... all they know is Divide and Hate. The problem with that is when you are elected you can't govern. This nation is NEVER going to fully agree but when we start CARDING and SPYING in this nation, we are in SERIOUS trouble and headed in the WRONG way. It's been 6 LONG years since 9/11 and we're talking about having an I.D. CARD!! Sounds to me like we need to be listening to some OTHER voices.

[grazinggoat]

Will it be an arm-band with yellow writing on it?
Posted by grazinggoat at 10:28 AM : Aug 15, 2007

Oh come on now, like a US National ID card would in any way equate to Nazi Germany. As stated by Prinzowhales, citizens with passports already do have a national ID. If required to carry them, passports would most definately seperate legal citizens from illegal aliens. What makes a national ID so different than a passport?
Posted by RandaIDS at 12:11 PM : Aug 15, 2007

-this RandaIDS, is not the real Randy for if you change the setting of fonts you'll see an (I) instead of an (L). Randy is now signing under sgtRDS or so.

-In response to the idiot who responded, I can tell you my mother lived through this arm-band thing back in Poland... it's an ugly thing and everything seems it's going the same way in USA.

[jegibbons]

=="we start CARDING and SPYING in this nation, we are in SERIOUS trouble"== skyk.

It's a matter of practical reality. We have aliens living among us, a few of whom intend to do us serious harm. I.D.

Cards may offend your sense of historical American tradition but there is a new reality today. Most countries in the world do a better job of keeping tabs of their aliens than we do.

More than two decades ago we relaxed our borders and now we're paying the price. Just one more terrorist incident resulting in significant civilian casualties and ID cards for everybody will be a consequence. Although I'm not convinced ID cards are the answer.

[kiwi_chick]

Perhaps if any of you who are so=critical either about any candidate or their plan come up with a better solution or "logical" person to run for Office, we all would like to hear it. If you feel that any politician is worthless then you are free to move to another country. If all you want to do is complain about how bad you have it try moving somewhere else and tell us about that too. It gets so tiring to read comments that are extremely critical and biased as the"CBS" website itself.
Posted by jack3213 at 12:02 PM : Aug 15, 2007

Jack...if you don't like it, go to another website.

[pepperp1]

Ahhh Papers Please.... the neo cons do really revert to type, somehow it is like ground hog day something like they would do to specific group well a least they will go to another country when the train or plane stops.

Rudy stop you love illegal they were all over NY and NJ during your reign you asked them to come told them you would protect them, now because you are feeding the beast base you somersault, Rove advising you. Wake up the country said no enforce the borders and the laws on the books just in a month crossing are down 38 percent.

[briannorwood]

Let's see now...

$15,000 tax credit for "privatizing" health insurance --really smart idea, except for those with a family of four living on $60,000 or below!

Now an ID card for foreigners? How's that going to work? Does he assume that if you don't have a card, you are a US citizen?

We've had DUMB for seven years now. I don't think this country can take four more of it!

[randaids]

In response to the idiot who responded, I can tell you my mother lived through this arm-band thing back in Poland... it's an ugly thing and everything seems it's going the same way in USA.
Posted by grazinggoat at 12:59 PM : Aug 15, 2007

Once again, I don't know how anyone can compare this situation to Nazi Germany, which I am quite sure was absolutely horrible. But I guess I'm not so much of an idiot since I figured out how to copy RandalDS, huh? Besides, anyone who regularly reads these boards would immediatey know that I am not Randal since I never tried to impersonate him and Randal himself told me how wild and wooley the internet is supposed to be.

[infidel_us]

The immigration issue needs begin with:
1. Secure US borders with Mexico and Canada.
2. Random imspections of any business in an ongoing basis to check for illegal workers.
3. Ask for proof of citizenship when visiting the doctor or hospital. If proof cannot be found bill the person, and turn patient contact information over to Immigration officials.
4. Remove the clause that allows babies born of illegal immigrants to automatically be american citizens.
Posted by ckcool192001 at 12:32 PM : Aug 15, 2007

This would be my idea of political utopia! :)

[sjc_1]

Any time a politician comes up with a half baked technology "solution", everyone should be skeptical. Rudy does not have a clue, but if it sounds good to the average person, he will use it. The average person does not have a clue, but if they go for it even more people in politics will use it. It does not matter that the idea will never work and cost us a fortune that we can not afford to spend.

[starleo146]

Posted by Klingon69 at 12:20 PM : Aug 15, 2007

This is not our Randy this is someone using his name on here. Randy is posting under SgtRdS now very confusing and I can not understand who wants to use Randy's name or better yet Why? can you?

[coffeehead-2009]

Rudy does not have a clue, but if it sounds good to the average person, he will use it.
xxxx

He knows perfectly well what he is doing...
They still feel that American's are just too dumb to figure out the long term PLAN. The "ID" cards have a "special" purpose.

Please note the blacklisting of one candidate.
Every other person running is getting FREE media attention but ONE..... wonder why?

Vote Ron Paul.

***


%u201CDirecto a Mexico,%u201D the name of the program, enables US commercial banks to make money transfers for Mexican workers through the Federal Reserve%u2019s own automated clearinghouse, which is linked to Banco de Mexico, the Mexican central bank. Few Americans are aware of the connection between the Fed and foreign banks and this program would be just another that exists in the shadow world of international banking.

To use the service, a Mexican need only possess a matricula consular, an ID issued by the Mexican consulate in most major US cities to those with proof of Mexican birth or citizenship, or a picture ID card issued by the US or another foreign government. The idea is to make it cheaper and safer for illegal workers to send funds to their relatives in Mexico.

http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?p=4402

[starleo146]

Posted by rushlimpdrug at 11:03 AM : Aug 15, 2007
+ report abuse

Thanks rushlimpdrug I am new at this game as you can tell and I appreciate you letting me know cbs does that all the time, with the spy thing you never know. Why was the Rove stories taken off so quick you reckon, I was having so much fun with it.I do not believe I've seen a story disappear so quick, but as you say no need to cry over spilled milk, I WILL CHILL thanks again.