AIKEN, S.C., Aug. 15, 2007
Giuliani Touts ID Card Plan For Foreigners
GOP Presidential Hopeful Vows To Stop Flow Of Illegal Immigrants
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Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani holds up a card as an example of what a federal identification card should be like at a town hall meeting in Columbia, S.C., Tuesday, Aug. 14, 2007. (AP Photo/Brett Flashnick)
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"We can end illegal immigration. I promise you, we can end illegal immigration," the former New York mayor said at a community center — the first of the day's two stops in this early voting state.
Giuliani said he would require a uniform identification card for foreign workers and students and create a central database to track the legal status of visitors to the country. He told the crowd of more than 300 that 12 million immigrants have entered the country illegally.
"That's a lot of people to walk over your border without being identified," he said.
Giuliani wants a tamperproof ID card that includes fingerprinting for everyone entering the country and a central database to track when they leave.
The ID card and other immigration proposals have been part of Giuliani's campaign speeches for several months. He says he would allow a pathway to citizenship only for illegal immigrants who identify themselves as illegal, who learn English and who go to the back of the line to apply.
They would get ID cards to stay and work. "If you want to work — pay your fair share — we'll sign you up. People who don't come forward, I would fine and throw out of the country," Giuliani said later Tuesday, during a campaign stop in Columbia.
In recent days, rival Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor whose state has been home to a few self-proclaimed "sanctuary cities," such as Cambridge, Mass., has repeatedly criticized Giuliani, arguing that he supported illegal immigration when he was mayor. Giuliani rejected the charge.
Romney argues that Giuliani "instructed city workers not to provide information to the federal government that would allow them to enforce the law. New York City was the poster child for sanctuary cities in the country."
But New York has never officially declared itself a "sanctuary city." Last month, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg told Congress that the city protects residents' confidentiality when they report a crime or seek medical care or education — a local policy that dates to 1988.
Giuliani defended and supported that executive order while mayor. In South Carolina on Tuesday, Giuliani did not take questions from reporters.
Bloomberg has said repeatedly that immigrants are important contributors to the city's economy and crucial to the city's survival. Asked Monday about the idea of New York City as a sanctuary for immigrants, Bloomberg said, "let 'em come."
"I can't think of any laboratory that shows better why you need a stream of immigrants than New York City," he added. "I don't know what to tell anybody. They just — if they don't believe that immigrants add a heck of a lot more than they cost, they just aren't looking at the numbers."
Answering Romney last week, Giuliani said New York "had the least amount of illegality per capita of any major city in the country and I brought that change about."
In South Carolina Tuesday, Giuliani said he would continue construction of a border fence, deport any illegal alien who commits a felony and propose that all immigrants who want to become citizens learn English.
Giuliani and Romney opposed the bipartisan immigration legislation backed by President Bush. Rival Sen. John McCain of Arizona was the only Republican candidate to support the measure.
During his Columbia stop, Giuliani told a crowd of about 100 that competition, tax credits and high deductibles would do more to increase the spread of health care than expanding government programs. He slammed plans for universal health care, something long backed by Democratic rival Sen. Hillary Clinton.
"What Hillary wants to do is not an American solution to the problem. It's a solution that marches us — and boy do they get angry about this, but sometimes the truth hurts — it marches us right to socialized medicine," he said.
Giuliani planned to wrap up the South Carolina trip with a private fundraiser in Florence, the largest city in South Carolina's tobacco country, about 80 miles east of Columbia.
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See all 55 CommentsPosted by coffeehead at 03:54 PM : Aug 15, 2007,,,
Ah hem, I think your solution is to meet Mr. LINUX.
Posted by coffeehead at 03:54 PM : Aug 15, 2007
Seriously? I'm not sure what you are referring to in your comment but it sounds pretty scary to me. Is this how Randy was highjacked?
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Does anyone else have a "new" windows user account? Seems my family has increased it's membership and mr.aspnet has his own personal account on MY computer and if i'm not mistaken probably some of you alls too.
I wanted to see who this guy was that had made himself welcome in my computer and tried to open HIS account~~~~ he doesn't want me to see his personal business though because he has it password protected.
So mr. microshaft and the dictators have decided that I have no rights to my own computer. I would also suggest doing a search for what was downloaded daily - it will surprise you.
Posted by starleo146 at 02:54 PM : Aug 15, 2007
Don't know why you'd be confused. Nothing I've posted sounds at all like some thing that Randal would post, plus I have never tried to impersonate him. Why? You ask. Because it is really, really funny to me.
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Thanks rushlimpdrug I am new at this game as you can tell and I appreciate you letting me know cbs does that all the time, with the spy thing you never know. Why was the Rove stories taken off so quick you reckon, I was having so much fun with it.I do not believe I've seen a story disappear so quick, but as you say no need to cry over spilled milk, I WILL CHILL thanks again.
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He knows perfectly well what he is doing...
They still feel that American's are just too dumb to figure out the long term PLAN. The "ID" cards have a "special" purpose.
Please note the blacklisting of one candidate.
Every other person running is getting FREE media attention but ONE..... wonder why?
Vote Ron Paul.
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%u201CDirecto a Mexico,%u201D the name of the program, enables US commercial banks to make money transfers for Mexican workers through the Federal Reserve%u2019s own automated clearinghouse, which is linked to Banco de Mexico, the Mexican central bank. Few Americans are aware of the connection between the Fed and foreign banks and this program would be just another that exists in the shadow world of international banking.
To use the service, a Mexican need only possess a matricula consular, an ID issued by the Mexican consulate in most major US cities to those with proof of Mexican birth or citizenship, or a picture ID card issued by the US or another foreign government. The idea is to make it cheaper and safer for illegal workers to send funds to their relatives in Mexico.
http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?p=4402
This is not our Randy this is someone using his name on here. Randy is posting under SgtRdS now very confusing and I can not understand who wants to use Randy's name or better yet Why? can you?
1. Secure US borders with Mexico and Canada.
2. Random imspections of any business in an ongoing basis to check for illegal workers.
3. Ask for proof of citizenship when visiting the doctor or hospital. If proof cannot be found bill the person, and turn patient contact information over to Immigration officials.
4. Remove the clause that allows babies born of illegal immigrants to automatically be american citizens.
Posted by ckcool192001 at 12:32 PM : Aug 15, 2007
This would be my idea of political utopia! :)
Posted by grazinggoat at 12:59 PM : Aug 15, 2007
Once again, I don't know how anyone can compare this situation to Nazi Germany, which I am quite sure was absolutely horrible. But I guess I'm not so much of an idiot since I figured out how to copy RandalDS, huh? Besides, anyone who regularly reads these boards would immediatey know that I am not Randal since I never tried to impersonate him and Randal himself told me how wild and wooley the internet is supposed to be.
$15,000 tax credit for "privatizing" health insurance --really smart idea, except for those with a family of four living on $60,000 or below!
Now an ID card for foreigners? How's that going to work? Does he assume that if you don't have a card, you are a US citizen?
We've had DUMB for seven years now. I don't think this country can take four more of it!
Rudy stop you love illegal they were all over NY and NJ during your reign you asked them to come told them you would protect them, now because you are feeding the beast base you somersault, Rove advising you. Wake up the country said no enforce the borders and the laws on the books just in a month crossing are down 38 percent.
Posted by jack3213 at 12:02 PM : Aug 15, 2007
Jack...if you don't like it, go to another website.
It's a matter of practical reality. We have aliens living among us, a few of whom intend to do us serious harm. I.D.
Cards may offend your sense of historical American tradition but there is a new reality today. Most countries in the world do a better job of keeping tabs of their aliens than we do.
More than two decades ago we relaxed our borders and now we're paying the price. Just one more terrorist incident resulting in significant civilian casualties and ID cards for everybody will be a consequence. Although I'm not convinced ID cards are the answer.
Posted by grazinggoat at 10:28 AM : Aug 15, 2007
Oh come on now, like a US National ID card would in any way equate to Nazi Germany. As stated by Prinzowhales, citizens with passports already do have a national ID. If required to carry them, passports would most definately seperate legal citizens from illegal aliens. What makes a national ID so different than a passport?
Posted by RandaIDS at 12:11 PM : Aug 15, 2007
-this RandaIDS, is not the real Randy for if you change the setting of fonts you'll see an (I) instead of an (L). Randy is now signing under sgtRDS or so.
-In response to the idiot who responded, I can tell you my mother lived through this arm-band thing back in Poland... it's an ugly thing and everything seems it's going the same way in USA.
And the fact is, No matter how big your database is and how many immigrants are in it, If somone decides they are going to stay in this country illegaly no ID card or Database is going to help you find them.
The immigration issue needs begin with:
1. Secure US borders with Mexico and Canada.
2. Random imspections of any business in an ongoing basis to check for illegal workers.
3. Ask for proof of citizenship when visiting the doctor or hospital. If proof cannot be found bill the person, and turn patient contact information over to Immigration officials.
4. Remove the clause that allows babies born of illegal immigrants to automatically be american citizens.
These are just a few of the steps that need to be taken, because face it, illegal expecting mothers want to have their baby in America so that their child will be a citizen. People come here to work and make money to send to their family in their home country...and if the person is an illegal immigrant the money is tax free.
If we laws are made that will punish employers for employing illegal aliens and have regular random inspections companies will be afraid to hire illegal immigrants. If illegal immigrants can't find a job, why and how would they stay here?
If we remove the motivation for mothers to have their children on american soil why would they come to the US and cost tax payers money to have her child?
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