Italian Cops Bust Huge Iraq Arms Deal

Operation Parabellum Finds Shipment Of 100,000 Automatic Weapons

(AP)  In the documents, Razzi describes it as "strange" that the U.S.-supported Iraqi government would seek such weapons via the black market.

Investigators say the prospect of an Iraq deal was raised last November, when an Iraqi-owned trading firm e-mailed Massimo Bettinotti, 39, owner of the Malta-based MIR Ltd., about whether MIR could supply 100,000 AK-47 assault rifles and 10,000 machine guns "to the Iraqi Interior Ministry," adding that "this deal is approved by America and Iraq."

The go-between — the Al-Handal General Trading Co. in Dubai — apparently had communicated with Bettinotti earlier about buying night visors and had been told MIR could also procure weapons.

Al-Handal has figured in questionable dealings before, having been identified by U.S. investigators three years ago as a "front company" in Iraq's Oil-for-Food scandal.

The Interior Ministry's need at that point for such a massive weapons shipment is unclear. The U.S. training command had already reported it would arm all Interior Ministry police by the end of 2006 through its own three-year-old program, which as of July 26 has bought 701,000 weapons for the Iraqi army and police with $237 million in U.S. government funds.

Negotiations on the deal progressed quickly in e-mail exchanges between the Italians and Iraqi middlemen of the al-Handal company and its parent al-Thuraya Group. But at times the discussion turned murky and nervous.

The Iraqis alternately indicated the Interior Ministry or "security ministries" would be the end users. At one point, a worried Bettinotti e-mailed, "We prefer to speak about this deal face to face and not by e-mail."

The Italians sent several offers of various types and quantities of rifles, with photos included. The negotiating focused on the source of the weapons: The Iraqi middlemen said their buyer insisted they be Russian-made, but the Italians wanted to sell AK-47s made in China, where they had better contacts.

"We are in a hurry with this deal," an impatient Waleed Noori al-Handal, Jordan-based general manager of the Iraqi firm, wrote the Italians on Nov. 13 in one of the e-mails seen by AP.

He added, in apparent allusion to the shipment's clandestine nature, "You mustn't worry if it's a problem to import these goods directly into Iraq. We can bring the product to another country and then transfer it to Iraq."

By December, the Italians, having found a Bulgarian broker, were offering Russian-made goods: 50,000 AKM rifles, an improved version of the AK-47; 50,000 AKMS rifles, the same gun with folding stock; and 5,000 PKM machine guns.

[j-whitman]

Hamiltongrad,,,, The man you call Jesus (Yeshua bar Yahosef bar Yaqub,, as he would wish to be called his God given name) said,,, "You can't know me if you arent' born Jewish"
, So I believe your " Judeo Christian balance" is a bit Helter Skelter..

[j-whitman]

Hamiltongrad,,, Please explane what you mean by " a Judeo Christian balance" ---- Christians persecuted Jews for 2,000 years... I remember the persecution continued in America up until the 1980's.

[prinzowhales]

The last time the Washington Regime made a big show of trying to prove that Iran was supplying weapons to the insurgents, it turned out the weapons came from eastern Europe. Now we have another pot load of weapons from the same source...and eastern Europe's goofy leaders have been well-paid stalwart supporters of the Stupid Peoples' War...the backbone of the 'Coalition of the Swilling', former(?) commies who sup at the US taxpayer's trough and send a few dozen yuk-yuks with guns to pull light duty and try to stay out of harm's way or provide safe havens for the CIA's flying rendition circus.

[hamiltongrad]

What does this all mean ? The ARAB MIND ....

We are all learning about the Arab mind. Even our "friends" whom we have place in high places, saved from torture, are they our "friends?" If so for how long ? And to what extent. As we have a Judeo Christian balance and expectation we are here dealing with a pre monotheistic culture, in many ways, leading to an awaking of their power, and at the same time, a death of wishful thinking in the West.
When did the UK make secret arms deals with the enemy during WWII ? Never.

[meboard]

Yet another shining example of "w" mismanagement in action...well done ms. president.

[brianbwb-2009]

This is like the US DEA, they make a high profile bust of cocaine or heroin to show they're doing their jobs, but for every one unit of whatever they bust, ten units are allowed to pass through.

The corruption of the Italian police is well documented and almost legendary, bested by few states, such as Indonesia and Russia. After the rumors last week of the arms sales going through Italy, they had to make a token bust to show the press they were not total jerks. US arms dealers are in it also, buying and reselling Russian arms to cover the US influence.

The "missing" 100,000 US guns weren't stolen, they were deliberately sold, then claimed stolen. I challenge anyone to attempt to steal 100,000 guns from the US military, unless you're on the inside, it just is not possible.

[cfin5]

So this is what, "vacation time" for the Iraqi officials?.......I want to thank the Italian police for a job well done.

mokenman wrote:

"The looming truth I see it is, by my count in all press articles, over 500,000 weapons have been given to or purchased for (100,000 attempted in this case) a total in Iraq of 161,000 men. If you know this, and I know this, are you naive enough to think the top U.S. officials are not aware of this? The U.S. accounting even admits to more than 100,000 missing rifles!... Who did the U.S. put in as the "elected government in Iraq, but the Shiite. The war has served the interest of the Neocons for four long years and with the continued arming of the factions, they may be able to milk it for another five or six years. Open your eyes America and the truth is right there for your to see. So the plan unfolds and continues......you ain't seen nothin yet!"

Petraeus, responsible for the "surge", was once in charge of training the "new" Iraqi Army and Security Forces.

In an article for the Washington Post in 2004, he praised the new Iraqi Army and Security Forces for their "considerable progress".

This year he stated that we may be fighting the insurgents for 10 years.

So, where is the "considerable progress" made by Iraqi troops?

Why are still there?

Easy.

As long as the insurgency continues, we will continue to remain in Iraq, and we will continue to have control over Iraqi oil.

And what's a few thousand American soldiers deaths worth compared to the worth of Iraqi oil?

Nothing - when you're a Republican.

prairiefox1 wrote:

"GRAZINGGOAT?
ARE YOU TALABAN OR ALQUADA?"

Are you a Republicanazi or a right wing extremist?

j-whitman wrote:

"One of Petraeus's subordinates, Col. Theodore Westhusing, had taken leave from his position as a professor of ethics at West Point to serve a six-month tour as commander of the unit training counterterrorism and Special Operations Forces. By the spring of 2005, Westhusing had grown increasingly concerned about the corruption he thought he saw in the program. He was especially upset after receiving an anonymous letter on May 19, 2005, which claimed there was outright fraud by government contractors. Among the alleged problems: failure to account for almost 200 guns.

"I cannot support a [mission] that leads to corruption, human rights abuses and liars," he wrote in a note found near his body. "Death before being dishonored any more. Trust is essential%u2014I don't know who to trust anymore."
He killed himself with his own pistol..."

From what I have read about Westhusing, he sounded like a man of honor.

Something that appears to be lacking in Petraeus.

[wogerwabbit]

My advice would be to support gun control... arm yourselves and learn how to use your weapon effectively. We may need it to wrest control of our country from the neocon traitors. We know only a small fraction of what's going on in their evil minds. My motto is hope for the best and prepare for the worst, but I see little hope for the sheep against these wolves. I'm sure you've seen the reports of the military asking our troops if ordered, would they fire upon American citizens (if not google "fire upon American citizens" in quotation marks... will pull up the exact quote)... that should certainly give one pause to think what the hell is going on around here.

[stanleyrice]

The looming truth I see it is, by my count in all press articles, over 500,000 weapons have been given to or purchased for (100,000 attempted in this case) a total in Iraq of 161,000 men. If you know this, and I know this, are you naive enough to think the top U.S. officials are not aware of this? The U.S. accounting even admits to more than 100,000 missing rifles! So where are the guns going? And if the top officials are aware, they must also know where they are going. Looks to me like the Americans not only started this war for their own benefit, but also are prolonging it by arming insurgents ie:Shiite Malitia to ensure a Shiite victory in the civil war the U.S. started. Who did the U.S. put in as the "elected government in Iraq, but the Shiite. The war has served the interest of the Neocons for four long years and with the continued arming of the factions, they may be able to milk it for another five or six years. Open your eyes America and the truth is right there for your to see. So the plan unfolds and continues......you ain't seen nothin yet!

[bobnjersey]

[As the secretive, $40 million deal neared completion ... a huge black-market transaction ... Iraqi and Italian partners haggled over shipping more than 100,000 Russian-made automatic weapons ... ]

haggling over shipping?

shipping should have been free ... how much ya gotta spend to get free shipping?

[j-whitman]

NavyRetired2,,,, Yep,,,, Newsweek says a lot on the subject of Iraq's Arms Bazaar

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20226447/site/newsweek/

[navyretired2]

Nevermind...I found some stuff. Thanks.

[navyretired2]

"Posted by j-whitman at 02:16 PM : Aug 12, 2007"

Wouldn't have a link or two for that would ya?

[j-whitman]

How about that ?? Itialians, one of Bush's intelligence sources for war..... Guess who ran the operation that armed our enemy's in Iraq ??? General Petreaus,,

One of Petraeus's subordinates, Col. Theodore Westhusing, had taken leave from his position as a professor of ethics at West Point to serve a six-month tour as commander of the unit training counterterrorism and Special Operations Forces. By the spring of 2005, Westhusing had grown increasingly concerned about the corruption he thought he saw in the program. He was especially upset after receiving an anonymous letter on May 19, 2005, which claimed there was outright fraud by government contractors. Among the alleged problems: failure to account for almost 200 guns.

"I cannot support a [mission] that leads to corruption, human rights abuses and liars," he wrote in a note found near his body. "Death before being dishonored any more. Trust is essential%u2014I don't know who to trust anymore."
He killed himself with his own pistol...

[prairiefox1]

GRAZINGGOAT?
ARE YOU TALABAN OR ALQUADA?

[prairiefox1]

HOW DOES A PRESIDENT EXPLAIN THIS WHEN HE HAS FULL CONTROL OF CONGRESS?
HE IGNORES IT!

[cantshutup]

you got some explaining to do mr.2stolen-elections president, you worthless piece of sh*t!