WASHINGTON, Aug. 3, 2007

Bush Signs Anti-Terror Bill

Legislation Carries Out Major Recommendations Of Sept. 11 Commission

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(AP)  President Bush signed legislation Friday that intensifies the anti-terrorism effort in the United States, shifting money to high-risk states and cities and expanding scrutiny of air and sea cargo.

"This legislation builds upon the considerable progress we have made in strengthening our defenses and protecting Americans since the attacks of Sept. 11," Bush said in a statement.

The bill requires screening of all cargo on passenger planes within three years and sets a five-year goal of scanning all container ships for nuclear devices before they leave foreign ports.

It also elevates the importance of risk factors in determining which states and cities get federal security funds. That would mean more money for such cities as New York and Washington. It also puts money into a new program to ensure that security officials at every level can communicate with each other.

While lauding Congress for passing the bill, Bush said he will continue to work with lawmakers to ensure the cargo screening provisions are workable and don't impede commerce. And he said Congress should strive to better target grant dollars to cities and states based on their vulnerability to a terrorist attack.

"This legislation makes some progress, but it also authorizes billions of dollars for grants and other programs that are unnecessary or should not be funded at such excessive levels," Bush said in a statement. "I will not request this excessive funding in my 2009 budget request."

Bush signed the bill into law before heading to the FBI to have lunch with counterterrorism advisers and then talk with members of his homeland security team. "We've done a lot of work since September the 11th to make this country safe, and it is safer but it's not completely safe," he said at the FBI.

Bush meets this weekend at Camp David with Hamid Karzai, the president of Afghanistan, where South Korean hostages are being held by the Taliban and where the Afghanistan-Pakistan border is considered a haven for the al Qaeda terrorist network.

Among its provisions, the bill requires the president to confirm that Pakistan is making progress combating al Qaeda and Taliban elements within its boarders before the United States provides aid to the country.

The measure carries out unfulfilled recommendations that the Sept. 11 Commission made three years ago in the wake of the terror attacks on the U.S. homeland in 2001. It was passed in the House on a 371-40 vote and 85-8 in the Senate. Republicans generally backed the bill while stressing their own administration's success in preventing another major terrorist attack.

"There is still other work to be done. I continue to believe that Congress should act on the outstanding Sept. 11 Commission recommendations to reform the legislative branch's oversight of intelligence and counterterrorism activities, which the commission described as dysfunctional," Bush said. "While this legislation does not heed the commission's advice, I hope Congress revisits the issue soon."

The independent Sept. 11 Commission in 2004 issued 41 recommendations covering domestic security, intelligence gathering and foreign policy. Congress and the White House followed through on some, including creating a director of national intelligence, tightening land border screening and cracking down on terrorist financing. Democrats, after taking over control of Congress, promised to make completing the list a top priority.

Former Rep. Lee Hamilton, vice chairman of the Commission, said with enactment of the bill some 80 percent of the panel's recommendations will have been met. According to Hamilton, one shortcoming of the bill is that it fails to carry out the commission's recommendation that Congress streamline its own overlapping setup for monitoring intelligence and homeland security matters.

The legislation also:

  • Authorizes more than $4 billion for four years for rail, transit and bus security.

  • Requires the screening of all container ships in foreign ports within five years, but gives the Homeland Security secretary authority to delay implementation.

  • Establishes a new electronic travel authorization system to improve security for visitors from countries participating in the visa waiver program. Bush said he would continue to work with Congress to provide more flexibility to bring some of the closest U.S. allies into the program.

  • Strengthens a board that oversees privacy and civil liberties issues.

  • Establishes a voluntary certification program to assess whether private entities comply with voluntary preparedness standards.

  • Requires the president and Congress to disclose total spending requested and approved for the intelligence community.

  • Provides civil immunity to those who, in good faith, report suspicious activities that threaten the safety and security of passengers on a transportation system or that could be an act of terrorism.

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    by infidel_us August 3, 2007 3:10 PM PDT
    "Bush Signs Anti-Terror Bill"

    Does this mean the MSM can no longer show camera shots of Hillary's arse? :)
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    by drummer94 August 3, 2007 3:14 PM PDT
    Well, call me flabbergasted.
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    by chicnlittle August 3, 2007 3:15 PM PDT
    Here's one for ya infidel, right off the wire...

    John Edwards, who yesterday demanded Democratic candidates return any campaign donations from Rupert Murdoch and News Corp., himself earned at least $800,000 for a book published by one of the media mogul's companies.

    The Edwards campaign said the multimillionaire trial lawyer would not return the hefty payout from Murdoch for the book titled "Home: The Blueprints of Our Lives."

    The campaign didn't respond to a question from The Post about whether it was hypocritical for Edwards to take money from News Corp. while calling for other candidates not to.

    So f'n typical!
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    by infidel_us August 3, 2007 3:19 PM PDT
    So f'n typical!
    Posted by chicnlittle at 03:15 PM : Aug 03, 2007

    Yes, it is! The same man who went to work for a hedge fund to "learn about the poor." Funny....I thought he and his family WERE POOR!

    The same guy who charges a university in CA $55K to lecture students on poverty.

    Don't get me wrong, it's a good gig...if you can get it. I just don't know how you can live with yourself. I couldn't do it.
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    by chicnlittle August 3, 2007 3:20 PM PDT
    Don't get me wrong, it's a good gig...if you can get it. I just don't know how you can live with yourself. I couldn't do it.
    Posted by infidel_us at 03:19 PM : Aug 03, 2007

    I hear ya. funny how i couldn't find this story on See BS.
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    by mudrose-2009 August 3, 2007 3:23 PM PDT
    Well, call me flabbergasted.
    Posted by drummer94

    It's too easy to.
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    by drummer94 August 3, 2007 3:35 PM PDT
    Aw 'cmon mud. That was actually giving credit where it is due. (Hey! 2 Hallmark moments in one day for ya). I still think Bush is totally wrong for the most part though.
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    by misssuzq August 3, 2007 3:47 PM PDT
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    by misssuzq August 3, 2007 3:50 PM PDT
    Sorry I mispelled a word...

    STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. STOP BEING A CHICKEN-$HIT ABOUT THIS ISSUE! STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. STOP BEING A CHICKEN-$HIT ABOUT THIS ISSUE! STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. STOP BEING A CHICKEN-$HIT ABOUT THIS ISSUE! STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. STOP BEING A CHICKEN-$HIT ABOUT THIS ISSUE! STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. STOP BEING A CHICKEN-$HIT ABOUT THIS ISSUE! STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. STOP BEING A CHICKEN-$HIT ABOUT THIS ISSUE! STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. STOP BEING A CHICKEN-$HIT ABOUT THIS ISSUE! STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. STOP BEING A CHICKEN-$HIT ABOUT THIS ISSUE! STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. STOP BEING A CHICKEN-$HIT ABOUT THIS ISSUE! STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. STOP BEING A CHICKEN-$HIT ABOUT THIS ISSUE! STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. STOP BEING A CHICKEN-$HIT ABOUT THIS ISSUE! STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. STOP BEING A CHICKEN-$HIT ABOUT THIS ISSUE! STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. STOP BEING A CHICKEN-$HIT ABOUT THIS ISSUE! STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. STOP BEING A CHICKEN-$HIT ABOUT THIS ISSUE! STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. STOP BEING A CHICKEN-$HIT ABOUT THIS ISSUE!
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    by feelfree1 August 3, 2007 5:19 PM PDT

    Re: "Provides civil immunity to those who, in good faith, report suspicious activities that threaten the safety and security of passengers on a transportation system or that could be an act of terrorism."

    Onward with the witch-hunt!

    Thanks a lot, Democrats!
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    by radiob-2009 August 3, 2007 9:21 PM PDT
    The bill requires screening of all cargo on passenger planes within three years and sets a five-year goal of scanning all container ships for nuclear devices before they leave foreign ports.


    IF this actually happens look for delays in obtaining goods along with increased prices of goods to the consumer.
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    by toolmangler-2009 August 3, 2007 9:32 PM PDT
    HiYa' radio, I guess "them that has, gets" is more than Biblical.
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    by randalds August 3, 2007 9:45 PM PDT
    Money to protect the ports! My what a novel idea! Why didn't someone think of that oh say 5 or 6 YEARS AGO! Oh wait, that's right, we didn't have the money because we were already borrowing our great grandchildren into debt to pay for Bush's war of profit in Iraq! Profit for his buddies in the war industries and oil companies that is! This isn't a presidential administration, it's a crime in progress with the American taxpayers the ones getting scr*ewed! We're witnessing the greatest grand Tet in world history with the looting of our treasury and the future of our children. Thanks for NOIHING George!
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    by radiob-2009 August 3, 2007 9:57 PM PDT
    HiYa' radio, I guess "them that has, gets" is more than Biblical.
    Posted by ToolMangler

    If you think about the impossiblity of doing this in a cost efficent manner one cargo ship can hold anywhere from 8500 to 16500 containers.
    Who is going to pay for the cost of this?
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    by stevex47 August 3, 2007 11:31 PM PDT
    I'll give credit where it is due. I dislike boosh, but this bill on the outside sounds good.

    Possibly the only good he has done?
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    by hungry1968 August 3, 2007 11:55 PM PDT
    Posted by stevex47 at 11:31 PM : Aug 03, 2007

    He would have killed this bill too, because it's beneficial to America. Unfortunately for him, the bill was veto proof because the republicans in the house and Senate FINALLY voted to do something "for America" instead of "for the party".


    "The measure carries out unfulfilled recommendations that the Sept. 11 Commission made three years ago in the wake of the terror attacks on the U.S. homeland in 2001. It was passed in the House on a 371-40 vote and 85-8 in the Senate. Republicans generally backed the bill while stressing their own administration's success in preventing another major terrorist attack."
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    by j-whitman August 4, 2007 1:35 AM PDT
    Washington %u2014 Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said Thursday the Bush administration is waging a "phony war" on terrorism, warning that the country is losing ground against the kind of Islamic radicals who attacked the country on Sept. 11, 2001.

    "None of you should believe we are winning this war. There is no evidence that we are winning this war," the ex-Georgian told a group of about 300 students attending a conference for collegiate conservatives.

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    by ban_islam August 4, 2007 8:11 AM PDT
    Newt Gingrich said Thursday the Bush administration is waging a "phony war" on terrorism Posted by j-whitman,
    ----

    You're taking him out of context. I'm very hawkish on the war and I believe he's one of the very few prominent Americans that really understands how serious this war it. Newt should be running for pres. or at least be a close advisor.

    Now read his commment as intended:

    "We used to be a serious country. When we got attacked at Pearl Harbor, we took on Imperial Japan, Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany," he said, referring to World War II.

    "We beat all three in less than four years. We're about to enter the seventh year of this phony war against ... [terrorist groups], and we're losing."

    http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2007/08/03/newt0803.html

    Obviously Newt is saying we should be wiping our Islamofascist enemies out completely. He's absolutely right and I think this man is awesome for twisting both the dems/cons ears on this.
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    by drummer94 August 4, 2007 8:30 AM PDT
    ban_islam: crawl back in your cave. Eagles eat hawks.
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    by ban_islam August 4, 2007 8:57 AM PDT
    ban_islam: crawl back in your cave. Eagles eat hawks. Posted by drummer94
    ----

    That's ironic since its you muslims who live in caves literally and metaphorically with your barbaric ideology. Eagles can't do shiit when they're weak, diseased and cowardly.

    We know why muslims resort to terrorism since you know infidels are far more powerful and will swat your umma like a bug. Now if only we can get the sleeping American giant to wake up and treat this as a real war, then you'll really see what we're capable of.
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    by drummer94 August 4, 2007 9:14 AM PDT
    Actually ban_, I happen to be Catholic. Not very active but, well, it's not important. I said a long time ago that if this is going to happen, let's not do it halfassed. So I agree with you. The "sleeping giant" remark from TORA TORA TORA should have been screamed in shrub's ear. But NOOOOOOOO! He saw big bucks for him and his buds by dragging this thing on and on and on. THAT is what pizzes me off. Sorry 'bout the cave thing.
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    by drummer94 August 4, 2007 9:17 AM PDT
    Oh, and "umma"?
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    by forthepeopl1 August 4, 2007 9:32 AM PDT
    have sent a 10,000 word statement to the heads of both partys. and also sent a copy to the vp, and whitehouse. let it be said here first..
    stating that if they in anyway back down on this bill,and fold like ******* to this traitorest president/vp/rove/rumsfeld/ that
    they will see a REVOLUTION IN THIS COUNTRY TO THE LIKES THAT THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN..

    I told them the only bill that should be sign by the president is a bill he owes to all americans i thinks its around 3.000,000,000,000,0000,000,00,000,00,00,

    00,00,00,.
    so go and arrest all of them. and america will stand behide you. you all will go down as hero.

    we need not to be in iraq,iran,or any were in the middleeast.

    to the president of the united states of america. you are not a dictator, no ones is listen to all the lies anymore. any true american in this country is gearing up to have you and your crime buddies taken out by force.

    you have to be stoped!!!! as i am a vet. i only wish was i was still in so i could make sure no more of my brothers and sisters get murdered by you and cheney,rumsfeld,rove,and so on.


    how come no more outside speaches?? what worried about something??? good its going to get worst so keep it up you chimp

    nobodys listen to you asap. like i ask yesterday were have you served?? go ahead bigboy go and sign up? whimp,coward,pussie,chimp,like your fathers bush,cheney,rove,rumsfeld,and your mother connie


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    by hungry1968 August 4, 2007 9:45 AM PDT
    That's ironic since its you muslims who live in caves literally and metaphorically with your barbaric ideology. Eagles can't do shiit when they're weak, diseased and cowardly.

    We know why muslims resort to terrorism since you know infidels are far more powerful and will swat your umma like a bug. Now if only we can get the sleeping American giant to wake up and treat this as a real war, then you'll really see what we're capable of.
    Posted by ban_islam at 08:57 AM : Aug 04, 2007


    It's not a "real war".
    When the Luistania was attacked by a German sub, we went to war with Germany.
    When Pearl Harbor was attacked, we went to war with Japan.
    When we were attacked by al Qaeda we went to war with - Iraq?!?

    Attacking Iraq as part of the war on terrorism, is the equivalent of us attacking Brazil or Kenya for Pearl Harbor.

    The fact of the matter is we were attacked by terrorists in Afghanistan, and instead of hunting down and killing the mastermind of this operation, Bush walked away to instead go after a sovereign nation that didn't do anything to us. In the process we've lost 3700 Americans, spent hundreds of billions of dollars, and destroyed their infrastructure, which we now feel obligated to spend billions on rebuilding.

    Meanwhile the terrorists are allowed to roam free, rebuild their networks, and prepare for the next attack.
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    by starleo146 August 4, 2007 9:55 AM PDT
    Posted by RandalDS at 09:45 PM : Aug 03, 2007

    Randy I wonder about this administration in one breath Al-Queda is coming do this, do this and if you were afraid Al-queda may do some damage wouldn't you think in the last 7 years Mr. Bush who is spreading this fear daily would get the security required on our ports and borders. What the *** is he saying. It seems to me the Ports and what comes in to this country is far more important. He does not seem to see any danger here.He gets the cart before the horse every time.
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    by forthepeopl1 August 4, 2007 10:04 AM PDT
    have sent a 10,000 word statement to the heads of both partys. and also sent a copy to the vp, and whitehouse. let it be said here first..
    stating that if they in anyway back down on this bill,and fold like ******* to this traitorest president/vp/rove/rumsfeld/ that
    they will see a REVOLUTION IN THIS COUNTRY TO THE LIKES THAT THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN..

    I told them the only bill that should be sign by the president is a bill he owes to all americans i thinks its around 3.000,000,000,000,0000,000,00,000,00,00,


    00,00,00,.
    so go and arrest all of them. and america will stand behide you. you all will go down as hero.

    we need not to be in iraq,iran,or any were in the middleeast.

    to the president of the united states of america. you are not a dictator, no ones is listen to all the lies anymore. any true american in this country is gearing up to have you and your crime buddies taken out by force.

    you have to be stoped!!!! as i am a vet. i only wish was i was still in so i could make sure no more of my brothers and sisters get murdered by you and cheney,rumsfeld,rove,and so on.


    so keep it up you chimp

    nobodys listen to you asap. like i ask yesterday were have you served?? go ahead bigboy go and sign up? whimp,coward,pussie,chimp,like your fathers bush,cheney,rove,rumsfeld,and your mother connie

    WHAT NOW AMERICA??? NOW BUSH/CHENEY/GONZO CAN LISTEN TO ALL OF US...............WHAT NEXT

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    by drummer94 August 4, 2007 10:07 AM PDT
    Related- "Requires the screening of all container ships in foreign ports within five years, but gives the HOMELAND SECURITY secretary the authority to delay implementation." What part of this is the scariest? The "within five years" (like we can afford to wait) or the "delay" part?
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    by nvme3 August 4, 2007 10:13 AM PDT
    if you look at the margins you will see it was veto proof so this was no great victory for the commander in chimp. This would have become law whether he signed it or not. So if the congress sent it to him with that great a margin then it stands to reason if he opposed it, he would have recieved bad press. This is not a victory for the pres. its a victory for bipartisianship.
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    by prinzowhales August 4, 2007 10:30 AM PDT
    This is the terrorist Regime that carried out the false-flag attack on 9-11!

    This is the terrorist Regime that destroyed the Ames anthrax cultures so that the source of the weaponized anthrax could not be discovered!

    This is the Regime that leaves the borders wide open six years after its false flag terror attack on 9-11!--And, of course they do! If you are the ones behind the terror why not leave the border open?!

    This is the terrorist Regime whose Operation Northwood plan was approved by the Joint Chiefs and called for the the murder of Americans and the destruction of American property to justify an invasion of Cuba.

    This is the terrorist Regime that backed death squads in Central America and the Khymer Rouge in Cambodia.

    This terrorist Regime is a bipartisan affair. If you vote for the Democratic and Repubican mainstream candidates--you are supporting terrorism!
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    by ban_islam August 4, 2007 11:04 AM PDT
    [He saw big bucks for him and his buds by dragging this thing on and on and on. THAT is what pizzes me off. Sorry 'bout the cave thing.
    Posted by drummer94]

    No problem and I agree, Bush did a half-as.sed, that's primarily because we really didn't know much about the enemy-Islam. Because its fascism disguised as a religion-most people's defenses are down, because they assume its much like christianity.

    I could forgive Bush and the US govt for not knowing years ago (I didn't either until I read a lot on Islam)-now they have no excuse. The enemy has been talking to us and making their message very clear, over and over-yet we continue to ignore it, at our own peril. As it is with human nature, we let things get worse till we finally do something about it.

    'Umma' means muslim community.
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    by ban_islam August 4, 2007 11:10 AM PDT
    [When we were attacked by al Qaeda we went to war with - Iraq?!?Posted by hungry1968]

    We did not attack Iraq to get al qaeda, rather to oust Saddam. People keeping make this specious connection when its not valid.

    Nonetheless it will become more and more apparent to the US/West over the coming years that we are at war against Islam-a religion of war bent on subjugating the world under its barbaric rule. Iraq of course is a muslim country and is just as much a threat to us as are ALL muslim countries because they hate our values enough to want to see our destruction.

    Muslims consider their countries 'dar-ul-islam' (land of peace) and non-muslim countries as dar-ul-harb or land of war, where they are all required by Islam to fight with us until we submit to their rule. Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, etc all have the same aim-to see the US/Europe destroyed and its people living under Sharia Law.

    Iraq is just one front in this global war we're fighting against muslims. If the West actually knew the real nature of our enemy, we'd take the project of democratizing the world a lot more seriously (democracy being the more humane alternative to extermination).
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    by drummer94 August 4, 2007 11:12 AM PDT
    "As it is with human nature,we let things get worse till we finally do something about it." posted by ban_islam. You id just got clearer. Isn't that religion peaceful overall and a miniority sees it a radical? If not, then it isn't a religion. If it is then we are in for a looooong time.
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    by ban_islam August 4, 2007 11:17 AM PDT
    Prinzowhales, forthepeopl1

    I gotta give you muslims credit, even though you're our enemy you should a much greater desire to win this war, than Americans do-based on the lack of pro-western supporters here. Or perhaps they're easily duped and buy your silly propaganda, since they don't bother to educate themselves on the greatest enemy the free world/US has faced the cancer of Islam.
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    by ban_islam August 4, 2007 11:32 AM PDT
    Isn't that religion peaceful overall and a miniority sees it a radical? If not, then it isn't a religion. If it is then we are in for a looooong time. Posted by drummer94
    ----

    That's the fundamental misunderstanding of Islam we have in the West. I even read necon sites that use this myth in their discussion.

    In Islam there is no such thing as a radical or a moderate muslim. You're either muslim or non-muslim. If you're a non-muslim/unbeliever, that's the worst thing to be in Islam. We in the west are largely secular (apart from some hardcore believers like singinrick on here), that's why most of us can't really take any religion seriously.

    We don't realize that to muslims, their Quran is god's word and we 'unbelievers' are like Satan himself on earth. The power of religion to manipulate and brainwash people should never be underestimated.

    The Quran is a handbook for war against non-muslims and is full of nothing but preaching hatred, killing, raping and robbing from the infidels.

    Keep in mind that it was started by a caravan-robbing, pedophile and mass-murder who built up a mafia-like criminal organization that eventually turned into a horde army. Countries, cultures, civilizations, empires have been conquered by these religious barbarians-so we should not underestimate them (even though they're much weaker militarily today than us).

    gotta step out, peace.
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    by realpatriot1 August 4, 2007 12:29 PM PDT
    ban_Islam,

    What makes you a leading expert on Islam? Are you Muslim?

    The majority of Muslim countries in the world have Christians and Jews living in peace within their borders. Terrorism and violence is not the norm in Muslim society anymore than gangs control all of America.

    I suppose the Sunnis and Shiites are killing one another because they're all Muslim brothers banned together to kill the non-Muslims.

    You're talking hateful nonsense. The overwhelming majority of Muslims are Law abiding and peaceful and need to be protected from hatemongers like you rather than the other way around.
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    by forthepeopl1 August 4, 2007 1:01 PM PDT
    ban-islam, i am a american pure white, and if you cant see that our governemnt is taken apart our constitution than you are not a american.

    i have served in our us army for over 6 years, so what have you done for our country?????

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    by v_1618 August 4, 2007 1:20 PM PDT
    VOTE !!!!!RON PAUL 2008!!!!! IS THE ONLYONE THE REST ARE PUPPETS AND CLOWNS OF THE SAME ****
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    by prinzowhales August 4, 2007 1:22 PM PDT
    ban_Islam--War's wrong...its wasteful of life and resources...and when its based on lies and false-flag attacks like those of 9-11, its the lowest kind of treachery.

    Troops Home Now! Your lives are being thrown away for Big Oil and Israel! Free Iraq Now! The enemy is in Washington! The borders are wide open! We have been betrayed!
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    by klingon69 August 4, 2007 1:32 PM PDT
    Posted by MissSuZQ at 03:50 PM : Aug 03, 2007
    Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.
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    by bennyblack1 August 4, 2007 1:58 PM PDT
    banislam;
    I would tend to agree with what you just said. Many people, even in th United States, use religion, Christian or not, to push their own non-religious agendas. Religion basically sets up traditions and standars that are not necessarily the benefit of the people in the system. Our politics is a religion of sorts, which does the same thing. However, a Christian who has read the Bible, and understands these things, also understand that he has a responsibility to remain informed, and to abide by the laws of the land they live in. So, as a Christian (personally), I do not take a radical view of our government, though many would be offended. Though our country was established on Christian principles, Christian principles were not the foundation, as opposing as it sounds. It was Christian principles AND the law. Therefore, it facilitated for freedom of religion. And, when religion ended, the law took up. The law is the equalizer of religion.
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    by bennyblack1 August 4, 2007 2:06 PM PDT
    So, ideally, the Constitution was set up to enhance the freedom of all peoples, regardless of race, creed, ***, or religion while maintaining balance between moral decrees and physical law. Much of our morality is based upon myth or some mystical entity that dictates a certain behavior. Thus, the moralities of many sects of religion clash, causing stress and dis ease. The Constitution makes all equal, imbedded in Christian principles, but bounded by the rule of law. It is the Constitution that tells me that I don't have to be afraid of being one religion or another, so long as that religion is not violent and does not commit acts of atrocity in the name of that particular religion. The Pilgrims came here to be ree from that sort of religious tyranny, and we have lost sight of that.
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    by ban_islam August 4, 2007 2:07 PM PDT
    [The overwhelming majority of Muslims are Law abiding and peaceful and need to be protected from hatemongers like you rather than the other way around. Posted by realpatriot1]

    Sure they abide by Sharia Law, but have no problem with raping white women in Europe on a scale described as an epidemic, or calling for the overthrow of democratic govts, acting as a 'state within a state', terrorizing the very countries that allowed them to enter.

    You cast yourselves as 'oppressed victims' (because we refuse to submit to Islam, I think the term is fitnah), then use that as a pretext and justification to attack us-then call us the warmongers for defending ourselves.


    [if you cant see that our governemnt is taken apart our constitution than you are not a american.i have served in our us army for over 6 years, so what have you done for our country? Posted by forthepeopl1]

    Really, tell me specifically how our constitution has been taken apart? By passing legislation that protects America from terrorism-like monitoring phone conversations? OMG we've turned into a fascist police state, revolution now! ROFL

    Some american you are-defending our muslim enemies and attacking your own president/country-ya sure you served here, in some terror-cell I'm sure.
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    by bennyblack1 August 4, 2007 2:12 PM PDT
    As for the signing of this bill, which I support as a temporary measure for however long it needs to be in force, I think it is a step in the right direction to protecting our own country from attacks within from radical religious sects, which, according to the Constitution, is illegal. It only enhances the Constitutional right to uphold it and fight against its enemies foreign and domestic. We now have more domestic enemies than we do foreign...and this bill must be aggressively enforced. It says that our government has done its job. The rest, is up to us. Are we going to do the right thing?
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    by ban_islam August 4, 2007 2:12 PM PDT
    [The majority of Muslim countries in the world have Christians and Jews living in peace within their borders.]

    What a gross exaggeration-most Jews and Christians have been bullied out of muslim countries (which were stolen from non-muslims through war) using pogroms, persecution, threats, violence, forced conversion, etc. Not to mention the destruction of infidel's temples, churches and so forth. Muslims do not tolerate non-muslims in the countries they stole except as sub-human/slaves with Dhimmi status so stop lying.

    Sure there are a minority of 'peaceful muslims', who are as irrelevant as 'peaceful Nazis', that doesn't excuse the behaviour of the majority or the warlike nature of your religion.
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    by forthepeopl1 August 4, 2007 2:14 PM PDT
    like i have said s/u/c/k/a/s/s bin-islam, read our constitution, it states that only concress can declare war, so tell me oh great one, show me the declaration they sign.

    and again big boy what have you done for this country. other than kiss bushes a/s/s/
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    by ban_islam August 4, 2007 2:15 PM PDT
    [Terrorism and violence is not the norm in Muslim society anymore than gangs control all of America.]

    Really? So what would you describe what's happening in Pakistan today, Iraqi sectarianism or the suppression of pro-democracy groups in Iran, the funding of islamic radicalism by Saudi Arabia, including stoning, tortures, excutions, honor killings that are rampant in the mideast?

    [I suppose the Sunnis and Shiites are killing one another because they're all Muslim brothers banned together to kill the non-Muslims.]

    No they're a result of a schism in the early formation of Islam that are now trying to wipe each other out to gain power (and also for revenge killings), but hey muslims don't care about other muslims being massacred, they'd rather hold worldwide riots over cartoons or literary books they haven't read.


    [ban_Islam--Your lives are being thrown away for Big Oil and Israel! Free Iraq Now! The enemy is in Washington! The borders are wide open! We have been betrayed! Posted by Prinzowhales]

    **** muslim you lying traitorous sack of shiit. Wars are necessary to rid the world of evil, we did it with Nazism and we'll do it with Islam, count on it.
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    by bennyblack1 August 4, 2007 2:17 PM PDT
    banislam
    And the sad thing is, there are islamic factions (here in Texas) that are raping white women, and then turning them into prostitutes. Right in my neighborhood. They are terrorizing women in their own homes...and no one knows about it, until you see them walking with their oppressors in the streets. And don't be fooled, these pimps are networked.
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    by forthepeopl1 August 4, 2007 2:17 PM PDT
    and just to let you know how 80 of americans feel, the greatest ENEMY the free world/US has ever faced and is still faceing, IS SITTING IN THE WHITEHOUSE.....
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    by forthepeopl1 August 4, 2007 2:20 PM PDT
    SORRY, 80 PERCENT OF AMERICANS FEEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    by bennyblack1 August 4, 2007 2:22 PM PDT
    banislam;
    And these are the terrorists masquerading themselves as Americans that need to be stopped. They don't have phones, they live in poverty, they move from abandoned house to friendly neighbor and steal from them, and take over entire neighborhoods with their silent war. They have control of much of Waco, Copperas Cove, Killeen, and Temple. And don't be surprised when I tell you this, that many of them are soldiers in the US Army.
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