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GOP Voters Still Back Iraq Invasion

By
David L Miller
(CBS)  By CBS News pollster Anthony Salvanto

Most Americans think the Iraq war is going badly — two-thirds say so in the latest CBS News/New York Times Poll — and for most, the bad results they see now also mean the decision to go war was wrong in the first place.

That connection doesn't hold for Republicans, though: They tend to call the war the right thing no matter how they see it going. That's not just loyalty to President Bush — many in his party do in fact question how he is handling Iraq now — but it's also because of their views on how best to fight terrorism; their still-salient memories of Saddam Hussein; and their willingness to give the administration credit for going after perceived threats, past and present.

Republicans' views of how the war is going are mixed — just under half say things are bad and just over half, 53 percent, say they're going well. But a far greater number, 73 percent, nonetheless support the war by calling it the right thing to have done.

Even those Republicans who think the war is going badly now are mostly inclined to call the war the right thing, anyway. In combined interviews from polls in May and July, 51 percent do. By comparison, only 21 percent of independents who see things going badly call the decision the right thing, and just 15 percent of Democrats who think it's going badly (nearly all of them) say the same. So for the latter two groups, a war that isn't going well is a war we never should've fought. For Republicans, there is still merit to having gone in.

One reason for this is their agreement with the president's stated overall approach to fighting terror. Sixty-seven percent of Republicans say that as a general rule, the United States will be safer in the long run if it "confronts" nations and groups in the Middle East that promote terrorism, as opposed to staying out of their affairs. (Democrats, by contrast, strongly favor the latter option; 72 percent say we would be better off steering clear.)

Confrontation doesn't necessarily mean military action, of course. But with Saddam Hussein, it did. Years into the Iraq war, the deposed dictator still has a central role in how Republicans look at the conflict. They still laud the administration for ousting him.

A few times in 2005 and 2006, we asked respondents to say in their own words what they believed was the president's rationale for war, and Republicans chiefly gave answers revolving around defending the nation. Saddam himself is remembered as a danger waiting to strike; as one Republican from New Mexico colorfully put it to our survey takers: "If ... you had a rattlesnake in your living room, you'd do your best to take it out then and there. It's the same thing. ..." Another called him "a powder keg waiting to go off."

There were hints of this Saddam-centered calculus even early in the war, too. In the summer of 2003, when Iraq's supposed cache of weapons of mass destruction had still failed to turn up, most Republicans said it didn't matter to them. They told us that the war would still have been worth it if there were no weapons — because, they volunteered when asked why, Saddam was out of power. (Most Democrats, by comparison, said it did matter.)

And what of today's enemies? Republicans continue to see Iraq as part of the larger war on terror, following the administration's characterization: 75 percent call it part of that larger effort, and most say it is a major part. Once again, they differ from Democrats and independents, who don't see such a connection.

A lot of Republicans think it is an effective fight today — which helps explain why about half of them say the war is going well. Republicans are more than twice as likely as Americans overall to say the effort in Iraq is now eliminating terrorists planning to hit the United States. They overwhelmingly rated efforts in Iraq as going well overall during in our interviews in June and July, and nearly all of them also call the war the right thing. A majority of Republicans who think Iraq isn't eliminating terrorists now still call the war the right thing, but they offered only mixed assessments of progress.

The broader struggle against terrorism remains the administration's hole card with its Republican base. Even though most Republicans still approve of the president's performance on Iraq (57 percent in the latest poll), that is far lower than the ratings they give him on handling terrorism generally: 74 percent. Two years ago, the ratings were both very high. Further, when asked directly about the administration's handling of the war over time, four in 10 Republicans today describe them as having done well at the start, but badly in the last couple of years.

Going forward, this explains the delicate balance GOP presidential candidates might need to keep in choosing their political words during the primary season, being mindful of concerns about progress and strategies in Iraq today, yet still advocating an aggressive approach to confronting terror threats — of which the decision to go to Iraq still stands, for Republicans, as a prime example and a good move.

By Anthony Salvanto

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by bluestardad August 5, 2007 11:21 AM EDT
AMERICA SCHOOL KIDS ARE HAVING BAKE SALES AND CAR WASHES FOR SCHOOL SUPPLIES!

AMERICAN JOBS ARE GOING OVERSEAS!

AMERICAN INFRASTRUCTURE IS CRUMBLING!

YET WE SEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO ISRAEL, SAUDIA ARABIA, PALESTINIANS, AND THE MIDDLE EAST!

AMERICAN POLITICIANS HAVE SOLD THEIR SOULS TO FORIEGN LOBBY GROUPS!

IRAQ OIL PRODUCTION AND DISTRIBUTION DOES NOT HAVE METERS ON THEIR PIPELINES AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF OIL IS BEING SOLD ON THE BLACK MARKET WHILE IRAQI PEOPLE CAN NOT HAVE ELECTRICITY OR CLEAN WATER.

BUT THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX IS BOOMING!
HALIBURTON STOCK IS UP!
OIL COMPANIES ARE SHOWING RECORD PROFETS!

STAY THE COURSE!

VOTE REPUBLICAN IF YOU LIKE HOW THINGS ARE GOING!
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by mh4cbs1 August 5, 2007 1:58 AM EDT
katg is igorant. Like so many Americans.

What doesn't understand is that the type of gas that Saddam had (and which was supplied to him by the US) has a limited lifetime. There was no way that the substances could have remained active baset the early 1990s. This was well known by the UN inspectors (who Saddam had given free access anywhere in Iraq) that were swarming all over Iraq when Bush kicked them out in order conduct "Shock and Awe" (his first War Crime).

Read the books by Scott Ritter, former marine, Republican, UN inspector. He as adamantly opposed to the Bush Invasion. He knew there was NO evidence of WMDs. He knew that Saddam was under our thumb. He knew that Saddam hated Al Qaida. He knew that our Invasion could end up a disaster and fuel terrorism.

GOP Bush-followers need to turn off FOX "News" and get some real clue about what has happened in Iraq and why 3,600 troops have been sacrificed as cannon fodder for the NeoCon dream of a New Word Order.
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by nyteryder2 August 4, 2007 4:43 PM EDT
singinrick, I'm surprised you don't like Clinton. After all he was the BEST republican president we've had since Lincoln. For example:

1. Clinton abondoned the traditional Dem role of improving life for the working stiff.

2. Reagan and Bush41 couldn't get NAFTA approved but Clinton pushed it through, causing the loss of hundreds of thousands of good-paying jobs.

3. Did nothing to raise the standard of living for the Mexican worker.

4. Got Congress to eliminate the federal welfare program, AND INCREASED wlefare for the rich with his tax breaks and business incentives.

Who would have expected the son of a working class mother to become president and help the wealthy and the corporate elite maintain their REAL power in our crumbling democracy.

Proof there's little or no difference between wealthy repugnicans and wealthy democrappers. They are all looking out for their own wealth and power.

Americans are sheep; we are a NATION OF SHEEP. Lazy stupid sheep...
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by pastdue1 August 4, 2007 4:34 PM EDT
Please be sure that if you believe what the administration is telling you, that you support the war in Iraq and believe that it is essential to our way of life and that you actively support what the administration is doing to our civil liberties, that you also actively support the war by either being in Iraq yourself or that you have a son, daughter, or grandchild serving in Iraq. Please do not condemn someone else's children if you are unwilling to condemn your own. All the voices who cannot say they are there PHYSICALLY in some way, talk with a hollow voice, and should not be listened to. Just by saying you support the troops, that you are praying for the troops is not enough to put someone else in danger.
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by fake-id-2009 August 4, 2007 4:24 PM EDT
The estimated population of the United States is 302,614,107 so each citizen's share of this debt is $29,568.53. ... Posted by IOWEIGN at 09:34 AM : Aug 04, 2007
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True. But every citizen doesn't work and pay taxes, and some other people don't pay their fair share of taxes, so your share and my share are probably double that.




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by fake-id-2009 August 4, 2007 4:18 PM EDT
Now if we could just get all these GOP reetards to enlist and go over there to replace those Troops... Posted by veteran71 at 04:08 AM : Aug 04, 2007
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Amen to that! Getting them to do anything constructive for their country would be a miracle. The war is fine for them as long as someone else is fighting it.
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by fake-id-2009 August 4, 2007 4:15 PM EDT
- They only print what supports their hatred of Bush and their attempt to take over the whitehouse in 08.
Posted by singinrick at 08:43 PM : Aug 03, 2007
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Shades of the Clinton years when everybody hated him for what he did. No different now.

Clinton screwwed himself by getting a bj in the WH. But Bush is screwwing all of us. The fact that we have few friends in the world is proof of that.

And look at the deficit. Your children and grandchildren will be paying for that for a very long time.

And tell me, singinrick, why does Clinton get so much respect around the world today? It amazes me. Maybe you have an answer.

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by prinzowhales August 4, 2007 3:40 PM EDT
drivelphobe--The war is not "essential" to my way of life here, in America. As a nation, we've done quite well NOT fighting in Iraq for most of our existence. What makes this war "essential" to your way of life? Are you a Halliburton shareholder or a Blackwater employee?
I see no reason why we, as a nation, should wage war for the benefit of thieves and prostitutes. Perhaps, "drivelphile" would be a much more apt designation for you.
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by hungry1968 August 4, 2007 12:54 PM EDT
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 04 Aug 2007 at 01:29:29 PM GMT is: $ 8 , 9 4 7 , 8 5 4 , 9 2 7 , 2 8 5 . 6 5
The estimated population of the United States is 302,614,107 so each citizen's share of this debt is $29,568.53.
The National Debt has continued to increase an average of $1.43 billion per day since September 29, 2006!
Posted by IOWEIGN at 09:34 AM : Aug 04, 2007


When Bush took office, the national debt was $4.5 billion dollars, and a surplus was supposed to be used to pay off some of that debt. Now the debt has doubled, and AGAIN we have a deficit!!

Criminal!!
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by ihatebush1 August 4, 2007 12:47 PM EDT
I've read about 10 pages so far and I've noticed that the Republican answer to everything is to blame the other guy.

Maybe I should use that in my personal life?

Make a mistake... No problem... Just name call, brand people, and keep pointing the finger at the "made up" bad guy.

Well I got one finger for the Republicans...

Oh sorry.. Did I offend?

I dare any of you to loudly and boldly spout, specifically, your support of what the war in Iraq, has actually accomplished in the company of average Americans.

I'm looking for any silver lining in this Iraq mess!

Please don't insult yourself again by saying that fighting them in Iraq is stopping them from coming here. Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 stoopid.

We should fight the terrorist where we find them. Picking Iraq to be the front in our global war against terror has made the problem so much worse and united so many of our enemies.

I wish Republicans would just go get some therapy to help them deal with their hate of Clinton but in the mean time just shut up!

I'm so mad I could just spit!
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