Aug. 2, 2007

Obama's Too-Easy Solution

National Review Online: Finding Al Qaeda Leaders Isn't As Simple As Illinois Senator Makes It Sound

  • Video Obama Talks Tough On Terror

    Sen. Barak Obama says that as commander in chief, he would fight terrorists by going into Pakistan if necessary. Sharyl Attkisson reports.

  • Video Obama: I'd Go Into Pakistan

    In the face of criticism from rival Hillary Clinton, presidential hopeful Barack Obama says he'd go into Pakistan to fight terrorists, even if that upsets an ally. Karen Brown reports.

  • Photo Essay Barack Obama

    The junior senator from Illinois is making his name known.

  • Photo Essay Pakistan Attacks

    Violence in Pakistan is spreading, with fresh attacks leaving dozens dead.

(National Review Online)  This column was written by James S. Robbins.

So President Obama would invade Pakistan? Who would have thought?

"It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005," Obama said at a speech at the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington. "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will." Obama was pinging off a recent New York Times report of an early 2005 mission to apprehend al Qaeda leadership figures in Pakistan, including second banana Ayman al-Zawahiri. The mission was aborted by then-Defense Secretary Rumsfeld because the operation had grown too large. This alone makes it a good case study in the failings of bureaucracy; too many components looking to get involved, not enough risk being accepted, not a shining moment for the partisans of Defense Transformation.

It is clear why Obama decided it was an opportune time to talk tough. This was an attempt to regain momentum after having to explain why as president he would rush into talks with some of the world's most troublesome dictators. Yet his suggestion to move forces from Iraq to Afghanistan and possibly Pakistan to hunt down the al Qaeda leaders still at large is nothing new. Democrats have long argued that the resources needed to find bin Laden are being squandered in Iraq. It is a good way to sound hawkish on the war on terrorism while also critiquing President Bush's policies, and it plays to what is being touted as Obama's comparative strength as a candidate, his boldness and willingness to discuss (seemingly) fresh ideas.

Politics aside, it is gut-level satisfying to hear a candidate talking about ways to get the job done. How could we have not found these characters by now? North Waziristan, where the top al Qaeda leaders are reportedly hiding, is 1,817 square miles of mountains populated by 361,000 people. That makes it somewhat smaller and much hillier than Delaware. You would think with the technical and human means at our disposal, we could have sorted the problem out by now. It's nice to imagine that all it would take to accomplish the mission is to send in some special operators to slap on the yellow restraints and drag the perps back to face justice. I see Dog the Bounty Hunter playing a key counterterrorism role in the Obama administration.

Of course there is always the possibility of failure. Take Operation Eagle Claw — a.k.a. "Desert One" — the 1980 Iranian hostage rescue mission. Five and a half months of planning and training were done in by mechanical failures and unexpected bad weather causing two helicopters to lose their way. In the wake of the mission abort a helicopter collided with a C-130, killing eight; in the rush to evacuate the area documents were left behind identifying U.S. intelligence operatives inside Iran. So yes, these kinds of missions can be mounted in non-permissive environments — but if they don't work out, they can help bring down one's presidency, as President Carter learned.

The decision not to go ahead with the 2005 mission was regrettable — assuming it would have succeeded, that is. But Senator Obama's umbrage notwithstanding, that was not the end of the game. Instead we chose to fight smarter rather than harder. Over the next two years there followed a series of much-less-risky missile strikes on the same type of targets. On May 7, 2005, high-ranking al Qaeda operative Haitham al-Yemeni was taken out by a Hellfire missile attack in North Waziristan. On December 4, 2005, Hamza Rabia, reportedly al Qaeda's #3, met the same fate. On January 13, 2006, four al Qaeda operatives were eliminated in a similar manner in Damadola. This attack narrowly missed al-Zawahiri — but killed his son-in-law, Abdul al-Maghribi, who helped run al Qaeda media operations. Al-Zawahiri was again targeted (unsuccessfully) on October 30, 2006, in a missile strike against an Islamic school in Chingai, Pakistan.

All of these attacks were plausibly deniable, and none took place with Pakistan's permission, at least not publicly. In fact the Pakistanis found ways to explain away around the obvious, such as stating that one of the explosions was not the result of a missile strike but simply an accident while the terrorist was making bombs.

Note that in each case the U.S. was using actionable intelligence (defined as intelligence that triggers the execution of pre-planned defense and security capabilities already identified and enabled). So there is nothing very innovative in saying we will act on that which is actionable; that is U.S. policy. There is also no reason to believe that sending troops rather than missiles in would have led to better outcomes. In fact they would probably have been much worse since the U.S. would have had to explain not only the failure to take down the intended target, but also the incursion itself.

Intelligence may be deemed actionable, but it is not necessarily correct. Intelligence by its nature presupposes ambiguity. If we asked our intelligence agencies for 100-percent certainty on everything they examined, we would never have enough information in time for policymakers to be able to make informed decisions. After the December 4, 2005, attack Musharraf said he was "200 percent certain" that Hamza Rabia was killed — but that degree of certainty is not only literally impossible, it is never the case before the fact. The January 13, 2006, strike is a clear case in point. Our people were as certain as they reasonably could be that Zawahiri as going to attend an Eid ul-Adha feast at that particular location. But at the last minute he changed his plans. This is a good instinct for someone in his line of work. The attack went ahead, and took out some important bad guys, but not the person we most wanted. As well, over a dozen noncombatants were killed. In the next attempted Zawahiri takedown, 80 people died.

It is true that Pakistan could be more openly cooperative in the terrorist hunt. But Musharraf can get active when it suits him. The takedown of the Red Mosque is one recent example; also the cornering of Taliban leader Abdullah Mehsud, who took the opportunity to blow himself up with a grenade. There is a report that two al Qaeda operatives have been picked up this week and handed over to U.S. forces. One of them is Muhammad Rahim, a former bin Laden special assistant. And Pakistan has launched a new offensive in North Waziristan, now that the much-criticized peace agreement with local warlords has failed. Who knows, maybe these and similar developments will produce the actionable intelligence necessary to finally take down the al Qaeda leadership. In any case I don't see how all this posturing helps. Perhaps Senator Obama should ponder how the National Clandestine Service got its name, and why the Special Forces are nicknamed the "silent professionals."


By James S. Robbins
Reprinted with permission from National Review Online.



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by hwk_i67 August 2, 2007 2:11 PM PDT
Great,

So now Obama is taking lessons from Bush on international diplomacy and foreign relations. "Invade first and then we'll sort out the mess later." Hasn't anyone in Washington figured out yet that it's TWICE AS HARD to invade a nation than it is to defend one from invasion?!?

He was one of the people I was considering voting for. Game over Obama! Next?
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by rafterman1 August 2, 2007 2:40 PM PDT
Bush had reasonable intel and he wouldn't act for political reasons (something Clinton was accused of by neocons in the late 90's). Now the NRO (i.e., Bush apologists) are against taking action like Obama suggests. I'm sure the neocons will flipflop on that again, if it happens to a Dem president in the future.
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by drinuk August 2, 2007 2:56 PM PDT
Another Crackpot takes the stage. How can you attack Pakistan and still allow them entry to your Green Card Lottery, what a load of absolute nonsense !
This guy really doesn't know what day it is, if both he and Hilary had a brain they would be dangerous.

AMERICA, the answer is Dr Ron Paul for Christ Sake, put him in the White House and see how quick you regain your rightful place in the world.
For the sake of the country I would even ask Republicans to vote for him, it's now gone past party politics, it is all about your country.
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by xzavierbrown August 2, 2007 4:08 PM PDT
so to all those Obama fans..should I say more?
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by eduardo1959-2009 August 2, 2007 4:17 PM PDT
I trust Mr. Obama's judgment a lot more than Mr. Bush, MBA. Ms. Clinton has the credentials but is part of the establishment that cherry-picks the dictators with whom to have a dialog.
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by sharncedar August 2, 2007 5:04 PM PDT
Obama is speaking to us, the other candidates are speaking to the people who really control elections, such as AIPAC and the media elites and the defense industry and other powerful forces. So this speech is not what the power elite are interested in hearing, they have already cut some deal on Pakistan and are allowing Osama Bin Laden to get away on purpose for whatever reasons. It just shows Obama is out of the loop. Of course there is no intention to allow this guy to become POTUS, if he got close (unlikely) at last resort he would end up dead like Bobby Kennedy. Do you really think people with trillions of dollars at stake would leave the presidency to chance?

The price of a human life in America is about $2500 around here, that's what the local gangs charge. What do you think that $1,000,000,000,000 will buy you? That is just the chump change that the defense industry throws around.
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by xzavierbrown August 2, 2007 7:13 PM PDT
Bush had reasonable intel and he wouldn't act for political reasons (something Clinton was accused of by neocons in the late 90's). Now the NRO (i.e., Bush apologists) are against taking action like Obama suggests. I'm sure the neocons will flipflop on that again, if it happens to a Dem president in the future.

Posted by Rafterman1 at 02:40 PM : Aug 02, 2007
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see..my opnion, the real thing that is haunting clinton is that he did nothing BECAUSE HE BUCKLED UNDER POLITICAL PRESSURE. If Clinton was determined and relentless, he should had acted like a persident and persisted the issue on dealing with terrorism EVEN UNDER GOP PRESSURE. i would had admired the guy for that. democrat or republican.
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by xzavierbrown August 2, 2007 7:23 PM PDT
though Osama is still at large, he knows better than to expose himself. He is limited to caves and old videos. Bush is not a smooth talker like ronald reagan or has the charm of obama but he is relentless. In a way, that keeps a proverbial thumb that is putting pressure on radical islamic strategies. Hillary and Obama knows da*rn well that they can say all they want about terrorism but thier presidency depends on one single factor..they need to deter any attacks on US soil or else they are toast. To add, the know da8rn well that they cannot do that without violating the promises they made to thier liberal constituents. An attack is imminent, the only thing these terrorists are waiting for is that 'proverbial thumb to ease up on that pressure a little bit'
ITS BETTER TO BE PROACTIVE THAN REACTIVE..

do you want to prevent an attack or react to an attack?
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by hsinco-2009 August 2, 2007 9:06 PM PDT
Finding Al Qaeda Leaders Isn't As Simple As Illinois Senator Makes It Sound

Unless you have them cornered at Tora Bora and let them get away as Bu$h, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Rice let happen.
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by xzavierbrown August 2, 2007 10:03 PM PDT
Unless you have them cornered at Tora Bora and let them get away as Bu$h, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Rice let happen.
Posted by HSinCO at 09:06 PM : Aug 02, 2007
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What would be better is the Yemeni govt handing osama to us..oh wait they did. Clinton was just too busy.
I bet you cannot even corner a fly..let alone kill it.at any rate, i can imagine your whinning about violating osama's rights.
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by ioweign August 2, 2007 10:29 PM PDT
see..my opnion, the real thing that is haunting clinton is that he did nothing BECAUSE HE BUCKLED UNDER POLITICAL PRESSURE. If Clinton was determined and relentless, he should had acted like a persident and persisted the issue on dealing with terrorism EVEN UNDER GOP PRESSURE. i would had admired the guy for that. democrat or republican.

Posted by xzavierbrown at 07:13 PM : Aug 02, 2007



In response to the 1998 United States embassy bombings following the fatwa, President Bill Clinton ordered a freeze on assets that could be linked to bin Laden. Clinton also signed an executive order, authorizing bin Laden's arrest or assassination. In August 1998, the U.S. launched an attack using cruise missiles. The attack failed to harm bin Laden but killed 19 other people.

On November 4, 1998, Osama bin Laden was indicted by a Federal Grand Jury, and the United States Department of State offered a US $5 million reward for information leading to bin Laden's apprehension or conviction.
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by rafterman1 August 2, 2007 10:59 PM PDT
===see..my opnion, the real thing that is haunting clinton is that he did nothing BECAUSE HE BUCKLED UNDER POLITICAL PRESSURE.===

So did Bush. Bush didn't want to pi$$ off our "friends" in Pakistan. Friends who continue to cover for the mass murderer bin Laden. With friends like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, who needs enemies?


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by drinuk August 2, 2007 11:43 PM PDT
SharnCedar, You are quite right, the Barons decide who will run the show and they want a Muppet they can manipulate to increase their wealth and power.
As I have stated the only man of the people who should get the job is Ron Paul but in saying that I fear for his life. He is the only man who could break the current mold.

The good news on the horizon is that there will be change for the better by 2012, there may be suffering in the interim but the evil men have had their best days, for them the future is bleak.
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by ali4584 August 3, 2007 12:11 AM PDT
Obama gets better everyday, he is making us think. If we vote for Hillary, it will be the same old thing we have had for the last 8 years. The Bush"s and Clinton's have gotten to thick with each other in the last few years. The last thing we need is the same old Corporate thinking. We should have stopped the deals that Pakistan made with the tribal leaders in that area. I am against Wars, but I would keep the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan blasted everyday with air power and the only way into Afghanistan would be landing in a plane or on a burro. That border should be closed or protected to stop the arms and drugs that flow thro there. Obama is getting better everyday. Listen to him.
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by irish4obama August 3, 2007 12:12 AM PDT
Hillary is clearly the coward of the democratic party in Bush-Cheney jacket.
Everytime Obama says something that she wished she had said first, she finds a way to make herself look stupid. I think Hillary is smoking something different from cigarette by saying she could use nuclear weapons to fight Al Qaeda.

She doesn't have half the fortitude of Ronald Reagan who said "Nuclear wars cannot be won and so must not be fought", just like Obama said it was NOT on the table.

If Hillary is the best that experience can produce, then experience is a *** and the old lady is confused.
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by xzavierbrown August 3, 2007 12:26 AM PDT
===see..my opnion, the real thing that is haunting clinton is that he did nothing BECAUSE HE BUCKLED UNDER POLITICAL PRESSURE.===

So did Bush. Bush didn't want to pi$$ off our "friends" in Pakistan. Friends who continue to cover for the mass murderer bin Laden. With friends like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, who needs enemies?


Posted by Rafterman1 at 10:59 PM : Aug 02, 2007
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wow..its amazing it sounds like you paving an 'excuse' for obama with that 'yes its pakistan so we should bomb the sh it out of them' approach.

Osama is still in hiding in a cave..he is wiping his arse with bark. Pakistan is still fighting terrorists.
humm so you disagree with invading iraq but you are okay with bombing the living hell out of pakistan THEN INVADING IT???????FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP


HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

THE NEW BLACK BUSH...delusional liberals
so does this mean you are turning into a war mongering conservative??
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by xzavierbrown August 3, 2007 12:30 AM PDT
The good news on the horizon is that there will be change for the better by 2012, there may be suffering in the interim but the evil men have had their best days, for them the future is bleak.
Posted by drinuk at 11:43 PM : Aug 02, 2007
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wow an "end of days" conspiracy theorist.
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by navyretired2 August 3, 2007 1:47 AM PDT
"Posted by drinuk at 02:56 PM : Aug 02, 2007"

Well said.

I've checked into Ron Paul a bit and he seems like our best possible candidate for 2008. It's just too bad he won't get the big press because he's not schmoozing the right azzes.
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by kaiyo4u August 3, 2007 2:03 AM PDT
===see..my opnion, the real thing that is haunting clinton is that he did nothing BECAUSE HE BUCKLED UNDER POLITICAL PRESSURE.===

So did Bush. Bush didn't want to pi$$ off our "friends" in Pakistan. Friends who continue to cover for the mass murderer bin Laden. With friends like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, who needs enemies?


The real reason is the oil pipeline from Afghanistan through Pakistan to the port there. Can't tee off the people who's land you want to use to convey oil across...
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by andor3 August 3, 2007 4:25 AM PDT
What I take away from this is that Barak Obama scares the bejezus out of the neocons. I like that.

well, of course NRO is frightened of Obama--in an Obama presidency, NRO opinons and editors would be given the regard they deserve--somewhere between babbling idiots and whining children.
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by drinuk August 3, 2007 6:13 AM PDT
Hey! xzavierbrown, NO, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm telling you like it is and will be. The ordinary people have had quite enough of the few causing hurt to the majority simply for greed and control.
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by bluestardad August 3, 2007 7:11 AM PDT
THIS PRO ISRAELI RAG THINKS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE IGNORANT!

IT IS SIMPLE TO FIND BIN LADEN! WE HAVE SPACE CRAFT THAT CAN READ A NEWSPAPER FROM SPACE SO WE CAN SURLY SEE A SIX FOOT FIVE ARAB DUDE IN THE MOUNTAINS DRINKING GOAT MILK!

ITS NOT SIMPLE TO LET HIM LIVE AND PULL HIM OUT WHEN EVER YOU TRY TO SCARE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE INTO SUBMISSION!
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by ozonmojo August 3, 2007 9:00 AM PDT
There were no WMDs in Iraq.But there are in Pakistan.Obama is so prescient.Musharraf,your days are numbered.
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by erasmus6 August 3, 2007 12:53 PM PDT
Like I have said before, he comes across as very immature.
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by ammianus August 3, 2007 12:55 PM PDT
The Sorrows of Young Dumus, Art. XVI:
When the appointment of Stultus Dumus the Younger appeared inevitable, it is said the House of Saaud, through Prince Bandar, complained to the House of Dumus that, in their view, the security agencies of the Hegemon were harassing Saaud subjects. The Saaudi asserted that in view of the intimate friendship between the two Houses and the anticipated electoral victory for which the Saaudi had furnished a weighty contribution, the House of Dumus should undertake, once the office of Chief Magistrate was secured, to discourage the attentions of the Hegemon intelligence services toward Saaudi subjects belonging to Al Ghazna. In return, the Saaudi pledged to moderate the fanaticism of their subjects, particularly the acolytes of ibn Shaitan. Journandes reports the agreement was memorialized by several forms of documentation to ensure the continuing fidelity of both parties. When Dumus assumed office, the agreement on the side of the Hegemon was facilitated by the practice of compartmentalism. Each group within an intelligence agency assigned a specific task was alone permitted information relevant to its mission and was forbidden to share knowledge, including the bare facts of its own actions, with any other group. The House of Dumus had but to direct a handful of overseers to practice deliberate inattention where Saaud subjects were involved. These servitors performed admirably in deflecting enquiries into the activities of Saaudi Al Ghazni.
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by ammianus August 3, 2007 12:58 PM PDT
The Sorrows of Young Dumus, Art. XVII:
Yet all might have been well had the Saaudi fulfilled their side of the agreement. In the event, they were neither able nor willing to restrain their subjects within Al Ghazna. Only when Dumus the Younger first learned of the attacks on his capitols (A. J. 6715, 23 Lo:os,), did he realize that his longstanding allies had betrayed him. Retaliation was prevented by an agreement documented in various incontrovertible forms (J-B. E. Roppe, op. cit., p. 361). Were the pact published, it would be clear to all that the order for deliberate inattention enabled the success of attacks that would otherwise have been thwarted through the customary operations of the Hegemon agents. The world would know that the greatest atrocity yet perpetrated on the Continent Hesperides was made possible by the gullibility, by the incompetence, and by the alien loyalties of the Dumus administration.
It is said that a second pact quickly followed. The lieutenants of ibn Shaitan, his family and friends (all proximate to the Saaud throne) were in possession of the documentation above mentioned. They vowed to publish if ibn Shaitan were ever killed or captured or if any of their number were detained for questioning. The House of Dumus capitulated, undertaking to immediately evacuate ibn Shaitan associates still on the Continent, prevent the death or capture of ibn Shaitan himself and deflect public attention from him.
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by erasmus6 August 3, 2007 12:59 PM PDT
He will say and do what ever it takes to win votes. ( just like everybody else)
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by xzavierbrown August 3, 2007 3:32 PM PDT
Hey! xzavierbrown, NO, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm telling you like it is and will be. The ordinary people have had quite enough of the few causing hurt to the majority simply for greed and control.
Posted by drinuk at 06:13 AM : Aug 03, 2007
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so i take you consider yourself an 'ordinary' person..I dont think you fully understand the true core of what you are preaching. So why the 2012?? just curious.
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by xzavierbrown August 3, 2007 4:29 PM PDT
Posted by leftyintexas at 03:44 PM : Aug 03, 2007
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So going to 'war with saudi arabia and pakistant' which if i may quote several liberals, a sovereign nation, is not acceptable??why is that??because it is obama who said so??why not afghantisan just like what the liberals were crying before. my point is..make up your mind and stop flip floping issues because of your political affiliations.

BTW,DOES THIS MAKE YOU ARE WARMONGERING LIBERAL??

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by bill1fj August 3, 2007 5:15 PM PDT
Our people should have the authority to take out terrorist, or those that say they want to destroy us, wherever they are at.
These heathens are very serious about destroying us.
Put all the politics aside.
It may sound simplistic but Lets get rid of those that would destroy us before they have a chance to.
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by xzavierbrown August 3, 2007 9:16 PM PDT
zavierbrown, yawn... you bush morons bore me. ZZZ ZZZ ZZZ.
Posted by leftyintexas at 05:04 PM : Aug 03, 2007
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now what if obama suggest that we wire tap on pakistanis??would that be okay??

so should i call you a 'black bush' moron?
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by xzavierbrown August 3, 2007 9:19 PM PDT
nother politician with foot-in-the-mouth disease. You'd think a smart man running for president would know better, but look at Bush. Well I said smart man.
Posted by sillywilly4 at 05:18 PM : Aug 03, 2007
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that is what happens when a person does not have a true personal character. his character is what the public wants him to have.
But if that is what he is thinking of doing, its better than hillary's plan
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by shanev137 August 4, 2007 2:28 AM PDT
There's no way Obama or Hillary is going to win anyway, so what's the difference?
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by brianbwb-2009 August 4, 2007 6:38 AM PDT
Finding Al Qaeda Leaders Isn't As Simple As Illinois Senator Makes It Sound

Yes it is, the puppet strings are in the white house and the pentagon
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