Exorcism Ends In Deadly Stun-Gun Struggle

Phoenix Man Accused Of Choking 3-Year-Old Granddaughter Dies After Fight With Police

(CBS/AP)  A 3-year-old Phoenix girl is recovering in a hospital after her grandfather was found allegedly choking her during an exorcism.

The girl is expected to recover physically and police are investigating "other possible abuses," said Sgt. Joel Tranter, a Phoenix police spokesman. Tranter declined to specify the nature of the possible abuse.

The man died after what Phoenix police described Sunday as a struggle in a house where officers went in response to a report of an exorcism being conducted on a young child.

Officers arrived at the house on Saturday in response to a check-welfare call from a relative of the family that lived there and entered when they heard screaming from a bedroom, Tranter said.

A bed was pushed up against the bedroom door but officers were able to push it open a few inches, allowing one to peer inside and see that 49-year-old Ronald Marquez was clutching his bloodied granddaughter, who was crying in pain, screaming and gasping as Marquez choked her, Tranter said.

A bloody, naked 19-year-old woman who was determined to be Marquez's daughter and the girl's mother also was in the room, chanting "something that was religious in nature," the spokesman said.

The officers then were able to force open the door enough for one to enter, leading to a struggle in which the officer used a Taser stun gun as he tried to free the girl, Tranter said.

After the initial stun had no visible effect on Marquez, a second officer also squeezed into the room and Marquez was stunned a second time, allowing one of the officers to free the girl and pass her out the door to the relative, Tranter said.

Marquez was placed in handcuffs after a struggle with police and he initially appeared normal but then was observed not breathing, Tranter said.

Efforts by the officers and Fire Department personnel to revive him failed, and he was pronounced dead at a hospital.

Cause of death was not immediately known and autopsy results probably will not be available for several weeks, Tranter said.

With one arm, Marquez held his granddaughter in a headlock, while squeezing her torso with his other arm, police told the Arizona Republic.

"It's very bizarre, (a) very unusual and pretty horrific situation this young child was involved in," Tranter told the newspaper.

Tranter said the investigation was continuing but that the relative who called police said there also had been an exorcism attempted Thursday.

"The purpose was to release demons from this very young child," Tranter told The Associated Press.

The spokesman said the 3-year-old girl and her mother were hospitalized for treatment of various injuries. He declined to identify either by name but said they lived in the house with Marquez.

Tranter said the girl had bruises and other undisclosed injuries, while the woman had a cut lip and facial lacerations.

The mother was not immediately arrested, Tranter said. "We will be looking at criminal charges at her."

[ladyd1800]

Let him be dead. I hope they aren't seriously going to let that little girl go home with her mother one day. She was there! Poor kids gonna need allot of counseling.

[randalds]

"Or that he successfully "exorcised" the demon out of the child and into himself, which is why he was trying to kill her.......or some such other religious bullsh*it.....it all reads like a bad movie script...."
- Posted by RandalDS at 02:29 PM : Jul 30, 2007

Too bad there wasn't a herd of pigs nearby.

Posted by Iceman_1960 at 05:24 PM : Jul 30, 2007

ROTFLMFAO!!! Now that was a good one!

[iceman_1960]

"Or that he successfully "exorcised" the demon out of the child and into himself, which is why he was trying to kill her.......or some such other religious bullsh*it.....it all reads like a bad movie script...."
- Posted by RandalDS at 02:29 PM : Jul 30, 2007

Too bad there wasn't a herd of pigs nearby.

[actornaught]

.......hey, has anyone seen singinreetard???....

Dozens of s'ick posts have been deleted.

Take it from there.

[wiccantexan]

I was joking.Those two methods would take decades to kill someone.
Posted by Iceman_1960 at 03:39 PM : Jul 30, 2007

Looking back, I realize exactly what you were getting at. Sorry. This has become rather a hot-button issue for me.

[missingamerica]

Funny, how those people who ascribe evil to others are so often evil.

[iceman_1960]

RE: Post by WiccanTexan at 03:35 PM : Jul 30, 2007

I was joking.

Those two methods would take decades to kill someone.

[wiccantexan]

They could have tried second-hand smoke or radon gas first.

They don't kill as fast.
Posted by Iceman_1960 at 03:26 PM : Jul 30, 2007

And waited how long for it to act? Until the child was dead? The child would have succumbed to the smoke or gas long before the adult was subdued, or rescuers could safely go in and get her.

No, sorry. Quick and clean worked best, because she's safe and alive.

[iceman_1960]

"how long will you simple ones love your simple ways? how long will mockers delight in mockery and fools hate knowledge?"

Asks the slave owning polygamist who thought the world was flat.

[iceman_1960]

"MAY have been trying to kill the child?! MAY?! And you're worried about what officers think of stun guns? "These things kill people." Well, duh. And in this case, it killed the right person."
- Posted by WiccanTexan at 03:00 PM : Jul 30, 2007

They could have tried second-hand smoke or radon gas first.

They don't kill as fast.

[susanhelit]

Wow - a nutter finally found us. Yes, stun guns sometimes kill people. Far less often than real guns - but if you want a sure-fire guarentee that the person attempting to kill a 5 year old will survive, the only approach that won't potentially kill him is to let him continue on with murdering the child. People die in headlocks too. A stun gun is a less-lethal alternative. Most people will take absolutely no harm from it.

And this is America - a nation of laws, not the Taliban. No matter how strong your religious beliefs, you cannot abuse nor murder a child for them.

[grammawhamma]

But I think officers who think of stun guns as non-lethal devices are deluding themselves. These things kill people.
Posted by aldewitt at 02:50 PM : Jul 30, 2007

Don't tell GunOwnerDan this...he will run out to get some stun guns to add to his bedside arsenal.

[iceman_1960]

RE: Post by jankebenz at 03:15 PM : Jul 30, 2007

Whenever the Bible gets discussed, things go from bad to verse around here.

Put those snakes down, will you ? The Gilmore Girls is coming on in a few minutes.

[jankebenz]

Iceman and other mockers: since you like to quote philosphers and bibical texts, here is some more you can contemplate

" how long will you simple ones love your simple ways? how long will mockers delight in mockery and fools hate knowledge? when calamity and disaster overtake you,when distress and trouble overwhelm you,then you will call to me but I will not answer
For the waywardness of the simple will kill them,and the complacency of fools will destroy them
King Solomon approx.975 BC

[iceman_1960]

"These religious nut jobs how much more are we going to have to put up with before we require them to stop breeding."
- Posted by antoniof123 at 02:46 PM : Jul 30, 2007

Now yur talkin.

"For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." - Matthew 19:12

[wiccantexan]

Grandpa may have been trying to kill the child and should have been stopped, and I think lethal force would have been indicated. But I think officers who think of stun guns as non-lethal devices are deluding themselves. These things kill people.
Posted by aldewitt at 02:50 PM : Jul 30, 2007

MAY have been trying to kill the child?! MAY?! And you're worried about what officers think of stun guns? "These things kill people." Well, duh. And in this case, it killed the right person.

[wiccantexan]

Strongly held religious beliefs can lead to bizarre behavior. It isn't fair to marginalize or belittle the man's belief that his child was possessed.

Posted by aldewitt at 02:50 PM : Jul 30, 2007

It isn't fair to "marginalize or belittle" a 49-yr-old man trying to choke to death a bloodied, terrified toddler? Because his "religious beliefs" were so strong that it could even enter his head to do this? Because this is what respecting the beliefs of others has come to? And they call us pagans the dangerous ones.

I'm appalled and horrified that someone would come to this man's defense in any way, especially in support of the deadly behavior of said beliefs.

[aldewitt-2009]

Strongly held religious beliefs can lead to bizarre behavior. It isn't fair to marginalize or belittle the man's belief that his child was possessed. There have been documented cases of possession. There have similarly been documented cases of exorcism. These alone don't make headlines.

What happened here is that these "stun guns" which are supposed to be safe and non-lethal, induce fatal dysrhythmias in patients with pre-existing cardiac conditions. The effect isn't seen immediately. Anything that has the capacity to make muscles spasm, specifically the skeletal muscles, has the capacity to make the heart spasm and to make the smooth muscles around blood vessels and airways spasm.

Grandpa may have been trying to kill the child and should have been stopped, and I think lethal force would have been indicated. But I think officers who think of stun guns as non-lethal devices are deluding themselves. These things kill people.

[randalds]

Ahhhh, Christians.......hey, has anyone seen singinreetard???.........surely he can shed some light on exactly what wonderful thing this "Man of God" was doing???......perhaps he found out the 3 yr. old grandaughter was an evil lib leftist, or worse yet, an ATHIEST!!!...(shudder).
Oh well, in any case, those Police had no right to interfere in this Religious Ceremony. Just further proof of an organized attack by Leftist Libs in America on Righteous Christians.

Posted by veteran71 at 02:36 PM : Jul 30, 2007

Hallelujah Brother! Can I get a witness!!

[mediabrat60]

The Exorcist IV.