BAGHDAD, July 24, 2007
Iran, U.S. To Form Iraq "Subcommittee"
Agreement Comes Out Of High-Level Security Talks In Baghdad, After Tense Start
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"We discussed ways forward, and one of the issues we discussed was the formation of a security subcommittee that would address at a expert or technical level some issues relating to security, be that support for violent militias, al Qaeda or border security," Ambassador Ryan Crocker said after the meeting that included lunch and spanned nearly seven hours.
Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said experts would meet as early as Wednesday to work out the structure and mechanism of the committee.
"We hope that the next round of talks will be on a higher level if progress is made," he said at a separate news conference after the talks.
But underscoring the rising tensions between the two arch-foes, Crocker reiterated accusations that Iran is fueling the violence in Iraq by arming and training Shiite militias. He warned no progress could be made unless Iranian actions change on the ground.
"The fact is, as we made very clear in today's talks, that over the roughly two months since our last meeting we've actually seen militia-related activity that could be attributed to Iranian support go up and not down," Crocker said, citing testimony from detainees and weapons and ammunition confiscated in Iraq as evidence.
"We made it clear to the Iranians that we know what they're doing (and) it's up to them to decide what they want to do about it," he said.
For his part, Iranian Ambassador Hassan Kazemi Qomi countered that Tehran was helping Iraq deal with the security situation but Iraqis were "victimized by terror and the presence of foreign forces" on their territory.
He said his delegation also demanded the release of five Iranians detained by U.S. forces in Iraq. The United States has said the five were linked to Iran's elite Quds Force, which it has accused of arming and training Iraqi militants. Iran says the five are diplomats who were legally in Iraq.
"There are also Iranian citizens who have been detained on legally entering Iraq. We demanded their release too. We discussed the creation of a mechanism to implement what we achieved in the first round of talks. They (the Americans) acknowledged making mistakes and this is a step forward in itself and it's now up to the Americans to rectify their mistakes," Qomi said.
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"We are hoping that you support stability in Iraq, an Iraq that doesn't interfere in the affairs of others nor want anyone to meddle in its own affairs," he said, according to excerpts of al-Maliki's remarks released by his office.
"It's Iraq's right to call on everyone to stand beside it to counter the scourge of terror and extremism," he said. "The world ... must stand together and face this dangerous phenomenon and its evils, which have gone beyond the borders of Iraq after terror and al Qaeda groups received strong blows and are now running away from the fight and moving to other nations."
An Iraqi official who was present at the meeting room said Crocker and Qomi were involved in a heated exchange early in the talks.
It began when Crocker confronted the Iranians with charges that Tehran was supporting Shiite militiamen killing U.S. troops, providing them with weapons and training. Qomi dismissed the allegations, saying the Americans had no proof, according to the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to disclose the information.
"It is not surprising that the talks got off to a rocky start, because few U.S. diplomats involved in the talks expect Tehran to stem the flow of money and arms into Iraq," said CBS News Foreign Affairs Analyst Pamela Falk.
"But the point of the talks is broader, and that is to open channels of communication to see if, at some point, the Iranians might see it in their interest to find a diplomatic solution to the sectarian violence as well as agree to a compromise on their nuclear program — one of the other important issues that is not on the agenda at this week's talks."
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- tuckerndfw wrote:
Your comment was not a rebuttal to my original assertion.
JFK's response to the "Cuban missile crisis" is directly comparable to Iran's response to the US's hostile invasions and occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq. BTW, according to reports, Iranians were helpful with the US effort in Afghanistan.
Posted by tuckerndfw at 10:52 PM : Jul 24, 2007,,,
I still say there in no comparison, JFK's motive was to protect the United States and keep the warning time for missiles fired from Russia to 30 minutes, with Russian missiles based in Cuba the warning time the U.S. to react was reduced to 5 minutes! Iran's motive is to build a Shiite super state with a Shia cresent spanning across the Middle East. Iran doesn't want democracy in Iraq, Iran wants an Islamic state in Iraq! The U.S. motives were about security, Iran's motives are about religious fanaticism so there is no comparison. - Reply to this comment
- tuckerndfw wrote:
When it comes to hating non-Islamist they all bury their differences and the sect differences only matter when they go against each other!
Posted by tbweb at 03:51 PM : Jul 24, 2007
You are incorrect.
Muslims are no different than anyone else, they do not "think differently." Immediately following 9/11/01, the overwhelming majority of Americans put aside their differences and supported the "war on terror."
Posted by tuckerndfw at 10:52 PM : Jul 24, 2007,,,
Why be redundant, ban_islam answered for me!
ban_islam wrote:
tbweb is correct, muslims will always put aside their differences and unite because they hate us more. There's 8 different sects in Islam, which have varying interpretations of their religion (from mild to extreme like hotsauce). One thing that unites them all is their shared hatred for non-muslims and intent to wage endless war against 'infidels' to Islamify the world. We'll often hear in the media of 'moderates' who are our friends (like Saudis lol), but that's pure ignorance.
One disclaimer-there are a small minority of muslims that are genuinely good, in that they have do not follow fundamentalist Islam, respect the values of the West and can be our allies. They are also seen as infidels by other muslims and we should unite with them to bring freedom/democracy to their lands and end the centuries of enslavement to a demented and brutal ideology.
Posted by ban_islam at 01:28 AM : Jul 25, 2007 - Reply to this comment
- demonic-rats won't fight the fascist nazi terrorislamic war...
Incredible! George S Patton's New Speech-Iraq & modern world
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyUX6wV1lBQ - Reply to this comment
- I'll add just for tucker:
ISLAM IS TERRORISM
ISLAM IS FASCISM
ISLAM IS A DEATH CULT
ISLAM NEEDS TO BE ELIMINATED - Reply to this comment
- Source: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antise
mitism/holocaust/gedalyaliebermann.cfm Zionism is terrorism. Posted by tuckerndfw
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Unlike your fake propaganda full of anti-semetic lies and bullshiit, the link between Islam and Nazism is well-known and established, who both had a common cause of wiping out Jews.
Which sounds more plausible? Jews assisting Nazis to destroy their only homeland, or muslims joining with nazis for that goal?
You aren't fooling anyone here muslim.
Here's what really happened; Grand Mufti meets with Hitler on their mutual Jewish problem (this is well documented historical fact).
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/muftihit.html
Zionism is the belief that Jews deserve a homeland, so its no wonder muslims don't say they're anti-jewish/semetic, since they'll be called out for being racist bigots.
So they hide their hate for Israel/jews by being 'anti-zionists', which amounts to the same thing, you couch your hate-mongering in a seemingly innocuous cause.
Let's also not forget that Islam is this century's Nazism and we all know what happened to those anti-semetic, fascist thugs. The same fate awaits muslims if they continue their assault against all non-muslims. - Reply to this comment
- "Zionism was supported by the German SS and Gestapo.[3] [4] [5] [6] Hitler himself personally supported Zionism.[7] [8] During the 1930%u2019s, in cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some 40 camps throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. As late as 1942 Zionists operated at least one of these officially authorized %u201CKibbutz%u201D training camps[9] over which flew the blue and white banner which would one day be adopted as the national flag of %u201CIsrael%u201D.[10]"
Source:
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/nazisupport.cfm
The infamous David Ben-Gurion said in 1938:
"If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, and only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution. For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel."
Source: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/zanda.cfm
"How far this unbelievable Zionist conspiracy has captured the Jewish masses, and how impossible it is for any different thought to penetrate their minds, even to the point of mere evaluation, can be seen in the vehemence of the reaction to any reproach."
Source: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/holocaust/gedalyaliebermann.cfm
Zionism is terrorism. - Reply to this comment
- It is an established historical fact that Adolf Hitler was a Zionist. Posted by tuckerndfw
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lol, you're wacked dude.
[To them the body counts from the war are absolutely no different then baseball box scores. That's exactly how they see this war. A game. That's what makes them such complete scum. Posted by RandalDS ]
Look at this fcuking hypocrite shedding fake tears for his enemy's soldiers-RandalDS of course is a muslim/jihadist who pretends to be a leftist as we all know. Weren't you hoping that Islamists would kill me and those who think like me? And now you're crying over US troops? What a fcuking fraud, I hope the FBI hauls your azz to gitmo one day.
The man is a walking lie-not just his words, but his character. I'm surprised you haven't had a nervous breakdown or a heart attack from all the contradictions you keep in your head. And if you're a terrorist in the US, it must be really difficult for you not to blow your cover since you seem to have anger issues as well. haha - Reply to this comment
- No one is born a Jew. There is no such thing as "Jewish blood." Posted by tuckerndfw
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Where'd you get your education from, the 'Illiterate Pedophile Prophet's School of Disinformation?'
There is no such thing as a 'Zionist' or a 'muslim' since these are ideologically based, however a Jew is a cultural designation (not just religious) of a people like an Arab, or a Frenchman.
[When it comes to hating non-Islamist they all bury their differences and the sect differences only matter when they go against each other! Posted by tbweb ]
tbweb is correct, muslims will always put aside their differences and unite because they hate us more. There's 8 different sects in Islam, which have varying interpretations of their religion (from mild to extreme like hotsauce). One thing that unites them all is their shared hatred for non-muslims and intent to wage endless war against 'infidels' to Islamify the world. We'll often hear in the media of 'moderates' who are our friends (like Saudis lol), but that's pure ignorance.
One disclaimer-there are a small minority of muslims that are genuinely good, in that they have do not follow fundamentalist Islam, respect the values of the West and can be our allies. They are also seen as infidels by other muslims and we should unite with them to bring freedom/democracy to their lands and end the centuries of enslavement to a demented and brutal ideology. - Reply to this comment
- Posted by singinrick at 05:27 PM : Jul 24, 2007
It is an established historical fact that Adolf Hitler was a Zionist.
I rarely mention Jews.
The vast majority of Zionists are not Jews. The majority of Jews are not (real) Jews. A Jew is either: a person born in the Roman province of Judea, a political entity that ceased to exist in 135 CE; or, a person who practices the religion of Judaism.
No one is born a Jew. There is no such thing as "Jewish blood."
Zionism is a political movement. Anyone who supports Israel as a "Jewish state" is a Zionist. Most of whom are American Christians.
Zionism relies on fear for its support.
The definition of terrorism is using fear to attain a political goal.
Zionism is terrorism, as is Muslim extremism. Zionism and Muslim extremist are the same thing.
I agree with Muslim extremists and Zionists that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, but that does not translate into supporting their religously inspired extremist causes.
And, you once again demonstrate you are a liar because I have made those same points dozens of times, yet you continue to post the same lies you repeatedly post. - Reply to this comment
- When it comes to hating non-Islamist they all bury their differences and the sect differences only matter when they go against each other!
Posted by tbweb at 03:51 PM : Jul 24, 2007
You are incorrect.
Muslims are no different than anyone else, they do not "think differently." Immediately following 9/11/01, the overwhelming majority of Americans put aside their differences and supported the "war on terror."
Now that it has been demonstrated to be a total waste of lives, money and effort, much fewer people support the "war on terror" as being conducted by the Bush administration.
Your comment was not a rebuttal to my original assertion.
JFK's response to the "Cuban missile crisis" is directly comparable to Iran's response to the US's hostile invasions and occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq. BTW, according to reports, Iranians were helpful with the US effort in Afghanistan.
But, then again, Afghanis are mostly Sunni, not Shia. - Reply to this comment
Author Thomas Friedman on Obama's Afghanistan plan and the war on terror.
