February 11, 2009 4:32 PM

What Happens If U.S. Leaves Iraq?

By
Jennifer Hoar
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What would happen if U.S. combat forces left Iraq? President Bush argues that al Qaeda and Iran would take over and that terrorists would then use the country as a launching pad for attacks on the United States.

But the Washington Post reports most military experts disagree with that scenario.

According to recent "war games" exercises conducted for the U.S. military, the most likely outcome of a U.S. withdrawal is that the central government would fall apart and Iraq would effectively split into three separate nations.

But what is "perhaps most striking about the military's simulations" for Iraq after a U.S. pullout is that they do not focus on "the establishment of an al-Qaeda sanctuary in Iraq."

Civil war and increased violence are widely anticipated, however, with some military officers contending that whether Iraq splits apart or outside actors take over, "ever greater carnage is inevitable."

The Post cautions, though, that all the scenarios should be taken with a grain of salt given the accuracy of past U.S. predictions about Iraq.


Bush's Mideast Peace Push

President Bush's call for a regional conference on the future of a Palestinian state tops the front pages of The New York Times and Washington Post Tuesday morning.

The Times said Mr. Bush's announcement was an attempt to "shore up" the government of President Mahmoud Abbas and was a signal that he will use his remaining months in office "to make a major push for peace between Israelis and Palestinians."

The Times called the planned summit – the first of its kind during Mr. Bush's presidency – a "pivotal shift" for the administration and a sign of how it is "desperately seeking some kind of foreign policy victory in the volatile Middle East that would draw attention away from the war in Iraq."

The Post said the idea for the meeting only came together in recent days, "and administration officials were scrambling to figure out details yesterday" – like where and when the conference would be held, and who would attend. It's clear, however, that it would be restricted to groups that "recognize Israel's right to exist," thereby excluding Iran and Hamas, the Palestinian militant group that currently controls the Gaza Strip.

Meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal, in the top item in its page-one news box, suggests the meeting's chances of success are limited. The Journal questions whether Abbas, "now politically and militarily weakened and confined to the West Bank," is up to the challenge. Further, the Journal said, "U.S. embrace isn't good for a Palestinian leader's career."


Maybe You Should Just Stay Home

The month of June may have been the worst month ever for flight delays, the Wall Street Journal reports.

Canceled flights more than doubled from a year ago, according to preliminary FAA data, leaving hundreds of thousands of travelers waiting for hours, and sometimes days.

Why? The Journal attributes it to a perfect storm of, well, stormy weather, airline cutbacks and labor strife.

Add it all together and it was a travel nightmare for air passengers, with more than 30 percent of all U.S. flights for the 40 largest airlines arriving late, with an average delay of 62 minutes.


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by bennyblack1 July 18, 2007 10:36 PM EDT
Remember, it is not God's people that you are at war with. It is very God himself. And you cannot fight Spirit. Why not just give up now? You will have your day, but in a moment, after a few short years of glory, God will finish his plan, and destroy you. Don't kill the messenger. The messenger has no weapons, and is defenseless. You're fight is with God and God alone. Killing millions of innocent people isn't going to change his plans. Read the Bible, and see your plans exposed. Wouldn't you rather just stop being an angry and destructive child, and give your heart to Jesus? YOu're going to end up bowing to him anyway, why not do it of a free will?
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by bennyblack1 July 18, 2007 10:22 PM EDT
You may be following the orders of your prophet, but God is the one who is allowing it. And I don't mean Allah. Allah is not God. Allah is a meteorite idol buried in some mosque in Mecca. I am talking about the great "I AM" of the Jews. The great YWH of old, whom you know, will fight for the Jews. And you hate him, in spite of the fact that he blessed your ancestor, Ishmael, with a 12 nation state (Saudi Arabia), which now controls the oil of the world.
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by chris12karen July 18, 2007 1:07 PM EDT
In his 2006 State of the Union Address, President Bush argued that "America cannot find security by abandoning commitments and retreating to isolation within our borders." He claimed that if we retreat from Iraq, then our enemies "would simply move the battlefield to our own shores." His strategy is to engage our enemies in Iraq, pinning them there so that we can act freely in our homeland.

Sadly, while this strategy has been of limited benefit to the Western world, this same strategy has worked well for our enemies. They have engaged us in Iraq, pinning us down so that they can act freely in their own homeland.

While instantly dumping the mission in Iraq would be precipitous and foolish, the time has nearly come for a gradual draw-down in Iraq. We are overdue for a "rebuilding year" in the military. We are overdue for a fresh approach to festering problems in Pakistan, the Horn of Africa, and the Southeast Asia. And we are overdue for a fresh influx of troops from our allies, deployed in pursuit of shared aims.
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by lars008-2009 July 18, 2007 12:15 PM EDT
Posted by bennyblack1 at 09:10 AM : Jul 18, 2007

That is why I believe God is saying to fascist nazi terrorislam, "Get out or get run over!" God is not his enemy, but if they continue to send jihades over there, God will not alter his battle plan just because fascist nazi terrorislam is stupid.

Our Prophet commanded us to fight the kaafirs when we are able and to attack them in their homelands and to give them three choices before we enter their lands: either they become Muslim and be like us, sharing our rights and duties; or they pay the jizyah (poll tax) and feel themselves subdued; or they fight, in which case their wealth, women, children and homes become permissible as booty for the Muslims.
http://islamqa.com/index.php?r
ef=13759&ln=eng&txt=before%20islam%20arabia%20pagan
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by bennyblack1 July 18, 2007 12:10 PM EDT
That is why I believe God is saying to President Bush, "Get out or get run over!" God is not his enemy, but if he continues to send troops over there, God will not alter his battle plan just because President Bush is stupid.
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by bennyblack1 July 18, 2007 12:05 PM EDT
In spite of what everyone else says here, even in the government, what will happen in Iraq will happen with or without the US over there. It has been set into motion, and there is nothing that can be done to stop it. That is why we should be bringing our troops home to protect THIS country.

The only one who can change this pattern of events is God, and he won't. Islam will continue to grow and envelop the entire Middle East. They will continue in there violence until they have conquered everything. Then, there will be a great drought, and the Tigris and Euphrates rivers will dry up. The Islamic armies will then travel up these river beds, and attack Israel from the north, both on the ground and in the air, with intent to conquer Jerusalem, and make it the Islamic capital of the world. It will not work, because God will fight for the Jews, and those who occupy Israel, and the Islamic nation will be struck with confusion, killing themselves. There are already stories of Israeli soldiers discovering the bodies of their enemies, and no one had attacked them. They shot each other. When the Lord gets in the battle, there is no way to win. He KNOWS your motivations, thoughts, intentions, plans, directions, when, and where you will be. He will meet you there, and defeat you.

This battle is NOT the battle for the United States to fight. It is God's, and God's alone. Let go and let God. It'll save a whole lot of lives, and a whole lot of trouble.
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by lars008-2009 July 18, 2007 10:15 AM EDT
the war is legal

the resumption of hostilities was only a matter of time since iraq broke the ceasefire agreement.....

blame saddam for iraq%u2026%u2026. Even clintoon and the dems wanted the resumption of hostilities back in 1998

US Vice-President Al Gore has told Iraqi opposition politicians that the United States remains committed to the overthrow of President Saddam Hussein. BBC 6/2000
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1854092/posts

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

Moreover, no international law can prevent the United States from taking actions to protect its vital interests, when it is manifestly clear that there is a choice to be made between law and survival. I believe, however, that such a choice is not presented in the case of Iraq. Indeed, should we decide to proceed, that action can be justified within the framework of international law rather than outside it. In fact, though a new UN resolution may be helpful in building international consensus, the existing resolutions from 1991 are sufficient from a legal standpoint. - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/gore/gore092302sp.html
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by truthspeake2 July 18, 2007 9:52 AM EDT
Then, we'd have $$$ to fix some of America's problems...but in doing so, the Bushbots wouldn't have as much corruption to engage in because its so much harder to steal from Healthcare, Infrastructure, and Education programs.
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by mufuart July 18, 2007 12:02 AM EDT
We should just pull back into Kuwait and see what happens; we'll still be close enough if we need to run some punishing air raids or have to go in on a more targeted scale. And, if necessary, we could always go back in. But at least by pulling back into Kuwait we can see what would happen next. Personally I think that the Palestinians already showed us what will happen next in Iraq. The militias in Iraq will fight it out among each other until one or more of them is on top, just like Hamas and Fatah in Gaza and the West Bank. And then we can decide what to do about it, if anything.
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by ramos937 July 17, 2007 10:56 PM EDT
You know, you can run all the war games you want; run all the computer scenarios you want; consult all of the military/diplomatic people you want and so forth. But, I truly feel that no one actually knows what will actually happen if we withdrew on an orderly systematic way.

For proof consider Vietnam. Many learned folks felt that the domino theory would take place. Today, Vietnam is one of our most valued trading partners. Our Presidents have traded visits. Even John McCain has visited Vietnam and talked to the people who imprisoned him.

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