Al-Maliki: Iraqis Can Keep Country Secure

Says U.S. Forces Can Leave "Any Time They Want" Without Jeopardizing Work Of Iraqi Army And Police

(CBS/AP)  Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said Saturday that the Iraqi army and police are capable of keeping security in the country when American troops leave "any time they want," though he acknowledged the forces need further weapons and training.

The embattled prime minister sought to show confidence at a time when pressure in the U.S. Congress is growing for a withdrawal and the Bush administration reported little progress had been made on the most vital of a series of political reforms it wants al-Maliki to carry out.

Moreover, the Pentagon on Friday conceded that the Iraqi army has become more reliant on the U.S. military. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Peter Pace, said the number of Iraqi batallions able to operate on their own without U.S. support has dropped in recent months from 10 to six, though he said the fall was in part due to attrition from stepped-up offensives.

Al-Maliki made his first public comments on Thursday's White House report on the reforms, saying his government needed time to enact the political benchmarks that Washington seeks. He insisted it was "fairly natural" that progress would be difficult considering the violence in Iraq and the deep divisions among its leaders.

"We need time and effort, particularly since the political process is facing security, economic and services pressures, as well as regional and international interference," he told reporters at a Baghdad press conference, without giving a timeframe.

"These difficulties can be read as a big success, not negative points, when they are viewed under the shadow of the big challenges. That is what should be understood in the White House report," al-Maliki said.

The report fueled calls among congressional critics of the Iraqi policy for a change in strategy, including a withdrawal of American forces. The White House insists it is too early to call its strategy a failure.

Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari warned earlier this week of civil war and the collapse of the government if the Americans leave. But al-Maliki told reporters Saturday, "We say in full confidence that we are able, God willing, to take the responsibility completely in running the security file if the international forces withdraw at any time they want."

But he added that Iraqi forces are "still in need of more weapons and rehabilitation" to be ready in the case of a withdrawal.

In the White House strategy, beefed-up American forces have been waging intensified security crackdowns in Baghdad and areas to the north and south for nearly a month. The goal is to being quiet to the capital while al-Maliki enacts the political reforms, intended to give Sunni Arabs a greater role in the goverment and political process, lessening support for the insurgency.

But the benchmarks have been blocked by divisions among Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds within al-Maliki's Cabinet. In August, the parliament is taking a one month vacation — a shorter break than the usual two months, but still enough to anger some in Congress who say lawmakers should push through reforms.

The divisions within al-Maliki's coalition are not only over the substance of the reforms, but also over separate disputes that have stalled even debate over such legislation as a draft bill to fairly distribute control over and profits from the vital oil sector.

Al-Maliki said some members of his coalition have not formed a "positive partnership" with the others. Al-Maliki has been talking for months of a Cabinet reshuffle that would shed Sunni and Shiite parties seen as obstructionist to form a "coalition of moderates" — though there's been no sign a change was imminent.

CBS News correspondent Allen Pizzey reports that many Iraqis give short-shrift to Washington benchmarks, because they have more basic concerns.

"It's security and it's services, and 'services' really translates into electricity," says U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker. "I think that is more important to the average Iraqi than all 18 benchmarks rolled up into one."

In Other Developments:

Two American soldiers were killed Saturday in separate attacks in the Baghdad area, the U.S. military reported. One soldier assigned to Task Force Marne was killed when a land mine detonated during a foot patrol, the U.S. command said. The statement did not say where the attack took place. Task Force Marne operates in south Baghdad and in communities to the south and southeast of the capital. Another soldier was killed when an explosively-formed penetrator detonated near a U.S. patrol in east Baghdad, the command said; another soldier was wounded.

On Saturday, the U.S. military said it captured an alleged high-level al Qaeda in Iraq cell leader at Baghdad's international airport. The suspect, believed to have organized mortar and roadside bomb attacks in the capital and nearby area, surrendered "without a struggle," the military said in a statement. It did not give details on the suspect or say whether he was travelling in or out of the country when siezed.

An Iraqi translator for Reuters was shot to death in Baghdad, an apparent victim of sectarian death squads, Reuters reported on Saturday. The London-based news agency did not identify the translator at the request of relatives, apparently to avoid publicizing the family's link to the company. The 30-year-old translator was killed Wednesday while driving with two of his brothers in southeast Baghdad, an area where Shiite and Sunni militants operate. He had been working for the agency since March and was married with two young daughters. "It appears the killing was one of the dozens of executions carried out every day in Baghdad by sectarian death squads that roam the city despite the presence of some 100,000 U.S. and Iraqi security forces in the city," the agency said in its report on his death. The latest Reuters death brings to 151 the number of journalists and media support staffers - the majority of them Iraqis - killed since the 2003 U.S. invasion, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists.

A suicide bomber hit cars lined up at a gas station in the southeastern district of Rashin Camp around 11:30 a.m., setting seven vehicles on fire and damaging nearby shops, a police official said. The blast killed seven civilians and wounded 15 others, the official said. Shortages force Iraqis to stay in line for hours to fill their vehicles or buy fuel for generators they rely on for power amid the capital's frequent electricity outages.

Hours earlier, a parked car bomb detonated in the western neighborhood of Amil, reducing one apartment building to rubble and heavily damaging a second, another police official said. The 7:30 a.m. blast killed at least one person and wounded five others, and authorities were searching the wreckage for more victims, the official said. After the blast, several nearby cars were left damaged, and a metal crutch lay in the street next to a pool of blood, according to AP Television news footage of the scene.

Senior Iraqi politician Ahmad Chalabi escaped unharmed Saturday when his convoy came under an attack by mortars and insurgent gunmen as he visited tribesmen in southern Iraq, a spokesman said. Chalabi was meeting with the tribesmen in the town of Madain, on the southern outskirts of Baghdad, when the building came under mortar fire that landed near his entourage's cars outside, said Chalabi's spokesman Ayad Kazem Sabti. Chalabi and his delegation fled the building, and as they drove away in their convoy, gunmen opened fire on them, Sabti said. No one in his convoy was hurt, he said. A former prominent exile leader close to Washington, Chalabi was touted by some U.S. officials before the 2003 fall of Saddam Hussein as a possible leader of Iraq, but he is widely mistrusted among Iraqis.

Am adviser to al-Maliki said a fierce gunbattle on Friday between U.S. troops and Iraqi police that killed six policemen was the result of a misunderstanding. U.S. troops had seized a police lieutenant accused of links to Iranian-backed Shiite militants when it came under fire. Hassan al-Suneid, a legislator close to the prime minister, said American troops did not know a police checkpoint was nearby and "thought they were terrorists." He said Iraqi soldiers with the Americans also fired on the police. The U.S. military said Friday that it was the police at the checkpoint who opened fire on the Americans first, along with gunmen on nearby rooftops and at a church. U.S. troops called in warplanes for ground strikes, and six policemen and seven gunmen were killed.

The raid captured the lieutenant, who the military said was helping Iran organize Shiite militants and led a cell involved in bomb and mortar attacks on U.S. and Iraqi troops. The military did not specify that the police who fired on the Americans were linked to militias as well but said the police maintained "heavy and accurate fire" on the U.S. troops.

The battle underscored the deep infiltration of Shiite militiamen in the police force. Purging the force is one of the benchmarks, and Thursday's report acknowledged progress in it has been "unsatisfactory."

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by zootallures2 July 16, 2007 4:41 AM EDT

The US military treats the Iraqi military like garbage. They hate you. Make them use rifles and pickup trucks and not let them build any real weapons. Are you proud? Would be better if 9/11 wasn't a false flag controlled demolition. This is like you rape your own sister and beat up someone else for it. OK you beat the guy, but it was still you who raped your sister. And that baby is gonna be a doooooozie!

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by nyckate July 15, 2007 10:16 PM EDT

lars008 -so basically if Loser-Bush had only just read up a little on American Founding Father Jefferson who would have learned not to invade Iraq??
Oh come on now - we're talking about Stoner George - he thinks he's going to be a much bigger figure in history than Jefferson or Churchill - George is delusional enough to think he's smarter than Jefferson and CHurchill.

Now what does that make you - the moron who keeps cheering on America's worst president???

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by toldyouso21 July 15, 2007 9:49 PM EDT

Oooops. Who wants to bet this story does not get retracted with a secret spokesman for the Prime Minister saying he was misquoted or misunderstood? Heh heh heh. For a minute there, it looked like the collaborator was giving America the boot. Bet Halliburton shat bricks when he said it.

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by toldyouso21 July 15, 2007 9:43 PM EDT

Bush to Al Maliki: Dammit lickee me arse...if I told you once, I done told you a thousand times...NEVER say we can just leave or that you want us to leave--if ya say that, then those folks at home will make us pack it up---and ifn' they make us get out, then we leave you high and dry capice amigo? No protection for yer collaborating azz....no more paychecks and suitcases with American moooolah, no more guns, weapons, and stuff to wipe out yer enemies and put you in Saddam's place. So ixnay on the leave it tay! Okay?!!!

Al Maliki: Oh yeah, boss--yeah, yeah, yeah boss--me forgot for a minute just exactly what I was doing. Me no want you to go, me azz would be grass without you. Fvck my own citizens--just show me the money......

Bush: Now yer talking sweetcheeks....

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by iceman_1960 July 15, 2007 8:34 PM EDT

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter.

lars008's hateful and bigoted spamming this forum is in violation of the rules of engagement.

It is in vain, sir, to fail to +Report Abuse on him.

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by kevzgrl July 15, 2007 6:54 PM EDT

I say, "Knock yourself out, Mr. al-Maliki. We will get the heck out and leave to to it, then."

Guaran-dam-tee you that within a month, he will be begging us to come back and help, and then we should turn around and say "Pi** off, buddy"

If King Georgie the First had done what he SHOULD have all those years ago, we wouldn't be dealing with these mad dogs now - they wouldn't have the ability to bomb more than fleas. George the Second is trying to redeem Daddy and make himself look like a real he-man when he stomps his foot and says, "We have to stay the course" when in fact, the course we are on will only lead to more of our young men and women being injured and killed for people who hate us and wish we were not in their country at all. What gives us the right to try to impose OUR culture and ideals on them? I don't believe God stood in front of Mr. Bush and said "This is the right thing to do, and I am pleased with you"

I hope and pray that when Mr. Bush's term is up, whoever is next in line brings our troops home, and starts criminal proceedings against him. Bet his girls wouldn't be allowed to put themselves in harms way for this nonsense.

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by SIDNEYWILLIAMSMD July 15, 2007 5:30 PM EDT

Abstracted Credit to Posting of Lars008: What great religion started in Saudi Arabia, kills you if you do not join, kills you if you leave it, kills you if you do not do what they tell you to do, kills you if you speak against it, kills anyone who is not a member of it, still practices slavery, pagan rituals, permits the rape of animals (Shiite version), the mutilation of little girls genitals, the rape of little girls, systematic wife beating? Clue: this is the religion of peace which abhors violence against innocent people.
A. Judaism
B. Christianity
C. Islam
D. Wicca

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by SIDNEYWILLIAMSMD July 15, 2007 5:17 PM EDT

a. satanic cult???
b. islam???
c. all the above???

Posted by lars008 at 11:51 AM : Jul 15, 2007

Let me guess: "C" You forgot the old shiite custom and practice of having *** with goats providing the goat is killed, and sold outside the village, presumably to jews or christians.

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by lars008-2009 July 15, 2007 2:51 PM EDT

what do you call an ideology that:

kills you if you don't join it...

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=82201&ln=eng&txt=islam%20law%20kill%20kaafir

kills you if you leave it...

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=696&ln=eng&txt=kaafir%20kill

kills you if you don't do what they tell you to do..

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=6035&ln=eng&txt=kaafir%20kill

kills you if you speak against it%u2026.

http://islamqa.com/index.php?QR=22809&ln=eng

kills anybody that is not a member of it...

http://www.hauns.com/~DCQu4E5g/koran5.html

still practices slavery

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=12562&ln=eng&txt=slavery

still practices pagan rituals...

http://answering-islam.org/Silas/pagansources.htm

allows the r a p e of babies and animals...

http://www.homa.org/default.asp?TOCID=2083225445

a. satanic cult???
b. islam???
c. all the above???

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by lars008-2009 July 15, 2007 2:32 PM EDT

I NO LONGER SUPPORT THE OCCUPATION

The real %u201Coccupation%u201D
1400 years of muslim occupation

muslims, whose home is Arabia, have occupied and brutalized for centuries.

During that time, non muslims have...

been murdered en masse
had their land stolen
their holy places destroyed and desecrated
been sold into slavery
their women raped
their children butchered

and the arabs have the nerve to whine about "occupation" when non muslims fight back

I NO LONGER SUPPORT FASCIST NAZI TERRORISLAMIC MUSLIM OCCUPATION

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/

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by lars008-2009 July 15, 2007 2:28 PM EDT

there is no peace with fascist nazi islam%u2026.. there never has been in it%u2019s 1400 year existence%u2026

dnc are like john adams and want to give the jihadist their lunch money hoping they will leave us alone....

gop are like thomas jefferson and want to spend their lunch money on weapons and go kick the jihadists in their arses.....

What Thomas Jefferson learned from the Muslim book of jihad

Thomas Jefferson knew about fascist nazi islam..... he killed plenty of them....

In 1786 Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman or (Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). They asked him by what right he extorted money and took slaves. Jefferson reported to Secretary of State John Jay, and to the Congress:

The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet (Mohammed), that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to heaven.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan07/jeff_quran.htm
muslim justifies slavery and piracy%u2026
http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?6bdec278-6a71-4436-bc4d-29d1c54b0ad7

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by lars008-2009 July 15, 2007 2:25 PM EDT

Our Prophet commanded us to fight the kaafirs when we are able and to attack them in their homelands and to give them three choices before we enter their lands: either they become Muslim and be like us, sharing our rights and duties; or they pay the jizyah (poll tax) and feel themselves subdued; or they fight, in which case their wealth, women, children and homes become permissible as booty for the Muslims.
http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=13759&ln=eng&txt=before%20islam%20arabia%20pagan

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! March 23, 1775 Patrick Henry

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by iceman_1960 July 15, 2007 1:23 PM EDT

"USA's PLEDGE 2 THE WORLD GIVEN BY SPEED FREAK LOVER OF MARILYN MONROE!!

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty."
--John F. Kennedy, Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1961 "
- Posted by lars008 at 09:24 AM : Jul 15, 2007

Just keep talking tough, lars008.

These guys are paying for it:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070715/ap_on_re_us/coming_home_wounded_burn_unit

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by lars008-2009 July 15, 2007 12:24 PM EDT

Posted by Iceman_1960 at 07:24 AM : Jul 15, 2007

USA's PLEDGE 2 THE WORLD GIVEN BY JFK!!

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty."
--John F. Kennedy, Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1961 "

"Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country." --John F. Kennedy, Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1961 "

One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Winston Churchill

"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." Albert Einstein

Edmund Burke: All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing.

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by ms38654ob July 15, 2007 11:44 AM EDT

Al-Maliki: Iraqis Can Keep Country Secure

Americans: Iraqis Can Keep the Country...

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by iceman_1960 July 15, 2007 10:24 AM EDT

"when do we leave bosnia??? korea??? japan??? germany???"
- Posted by lars008 at 10:23 PM : Jul 14, 2007

When they turn into neverending quagmires, we lose thousands of American troops in 4+ years, a report of the situation shows most "benchmarks for progress" not being met, and over 60% of the American people are demanding an American exit.

That's when we leave bosnia, korea, japan and germany.


(civil war
n.
A war between factions or regions of the same country.

- American Heritage Dictionary)

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by iceman_1960 July 15, 2007 10:13 AM EDT

"Thank God for strong leaders like President George W Bush who won't run from terrorists."
- Posted by telecom_1 at 01:12 AM : Jul 15, 2007

What was he doing in Nebraska after 9-11 ?

Trout fishing ?

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by July 15, 2007 10:08 AM EDT

Lieberman takes his orders from the Israeli lobby. He should decide if his loyalty is to Isreal of the United States.

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by July 15, 2007 9:38 AM EDT

veteran71 wrote:

"...perhaps gainful employment suitable to a man of his I.Q.,......I wonder if he could be taught to say, "Would you like Fries with that"???"

I'm not so sure - I think even fast food restaurants have a rule about employees who dribble on other peoples food.

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by July 15, 2007 9:18 AM EDT

veteran71 wrote:

"I think I saw didntinhale down by the Freeway holding a sign that said, "Will Post Ridiculous
Neocon Drivel For Food". It was really sad to see a once proud Delusional Idiot and regular CBS Bushbot Troll, reduced to begging. I didn't think McDonalds fired those Mentally Challenged guys, but seeing is believing. I tossed him a quarter without making eye contact and kept on driving."

That's more then he was worth anyway - and more then his posts were worth (apart from novelty value).

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[zootallures2]

The US military treats the Iraqi military like garbage. They hate you. Make them use rifles and pickup trucks and not let them build any real weapons. Are you proud? Would be better if 9/11 wasn't a false flag controlled demolition. This is like you rape your own sister and beat up someone else for it. OK you beat the guy, but it was still you who raped your sister. And that baby is gonna be a doooooozie!

[nyckate]

lars008 -so basically if Loser-Bush had only just read up a little on American Founding Father Jefferson who would have learned not to invade Iraq??
Oh come on now - we're talking about Stoner George - he thinks he's going to be a much bigger figure in history than Jefferson or Churchill - George is delusional enough to think he's smarter than Jefferson and CHurchill.

Now what does that make you - the moron who keeps cheering on America's worst president???

[toldyouso21]

Oooops. Who wants to bet this story does not get retracted with a secret spokesman for the Prime Minister saying he was misquoted or misunderstood? Heh heh heh. For a minute there, it looked like the collaborator was giving America the boot. Bet Halliburton shat bricks when he said it.

[toldyouso21]

Bush to Al Maliki: Dammit lickee me arse...if I told you once, I done told you a thousand times...NEVER say we can just leave or that you want us to leave--if ya say that, then those folks at home will make us pack it up---and ifn' they make us get out, then we leave you high and dry capice amigo? No protection for yer collaborating azz....no more paychecks and suitcases with American moooolah, no more guns, weapons, and stuff to wipe out yer enemies and put you in Saddam's place. So ixnay on the leave it tay! Okay?!!!

Al Maliki: Oh yeah, boss--yeah, yeah, yeah boss--me forgot for a minute just exactly what I was doing. Me no want you to go, me azz would be grass without you. Fvck my own citizens--just show me the money......

Bush: Now yer talking sweetcheeks....

[iceman_1960]

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter.

lars008's hateful and bigoted spamming this forum is in violation of the rules of engagement.

It is in vain, sir, to fail to +Report Abuse on him.

[kevzgrl]

I say, "Knock yourself out, Mr. al-Maliki. We will get the heck out and leave to to it, then."

Guaran-dam-tee you that within a month, he will be begging us to come back and help, and then we should turn around and say "Pi** off, buddy"

If King Georgie the First had done what he SHOULD have all those years ago, we wouldn't be dealing with these mad dogs now - they wouldn't have the ability to bomb more than fleas. George the Second is trying to redeem Daddy and make himself look like a real he-man when he stomps his foot and says, "We have to stay the course" when in fact, the course we are on will only lead to more of our young men and women being injured and killed for people who hate us and wish we were not in their country at all. What gives us the right to try to impose OUR culture and ideals on them? I don't believe God stood in front of Mr. Bush and said "This is the right thing to do, and I am pleased with you"

I hope and pray that when Mr. Bush's term is up, whoever is next in line brings our troops home, and starts criminal proceedings against him. Bet his girls wouldn't be allowed to put themselves in harms way for this nonsense.

[SIDNEYWILLIAMSMD]

Abstracted Credit to Posting of Lars008: What great religion started in Saudi Arabia, kills you if you do not join, kills you if you leave it, kills you if you do not do what they tell you to do, kills you if you speak against it, kills anyone who is not a member of it, still practices slavery, pagan rituals, permits the rape of animals (Shiite version), the mutilation of little girls genitals, the rape of little girls, systematic wife beating? Clue: this is the religion of peace which abhors violence against innocent people.
A. Judaism
B. Christianity
C. Islam
D. Wicca

[SIDNEYWILLIAMSMD]

a. satanic cult???
b. islam???
c. all the above???

Posted by lars008 at 11:51 AM : Jul 15, 2007

Let me guess: "C" You forgot the old shiite custom and practice of having *** with goats providing the goat is killed, and sold outside the village, presumably to jews or christians.

[lars008-2009]

what do you call an ideology that:

kills you if you don't join it...

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=82201&ln=eng&txt=islam%20law%20kill%20kaafir

kills you if you leave it...

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=696&ln=eng&txt=kaafir%20kill

kills you if you don't do what they tell you to do..

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=6035&ln=eng&txt=kaafir%20kill

kills you if you speak against it%u2026.

http://islamqa.com/index.php?QR=22809&ln=eng

kills anybody that is not a member of it...

http://www.hauns.com/~DCQu4E5g/koran5.html

still practices slavery

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=12562&ln=eng&txt=slavery

still practices pagan rituals...

http://answering-islam.org/Silas/pagansources.htm

allows the r a p e of babies and animals...

http://www.homa.org/default.asp?TOCID=2083225445

a. satanic cult???
b. islam???
c. all the above???

[lars008-2009]

I NO LONGER SUPPORT THE OCCUPATION

The real %u201Coccupation%u201D
1400 years of muslim occupation

muslims, whose home is Arabia, have occupied and brutalized for centuries.

During that time, non muslims have...

been murdered en masse
had their land stolen
their holy places destroyed and desecrated
been sold into slavery
their women raped
their children butchered

and the arabs have the nerve to whine about "occupation" when non muslims fight back

I NO LONGER SUPPORT FASCIST NAZI TERRORISLAMIC MUSLIM OCCUPATION

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/

[lars008-2009]

there is no peace with fascist nazi islam%u2026.. there never has been in it%u2019s 1400 year existence%u2026

dnc are like john adams and want to give the jihadist their lunch money hoping they will leave us alone....

gop are like thomas jefferson and want to spend their lunch money on weapons and go kick the jihadists in their arses.....

What Thomas Jefferson learned from the Muslim book of jihad

Thomas Jefferson knew about fascist nazi islam..... he killed plenty of them....

In 1786 Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman or (Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). They asked him by what right he extorted money and took slaves. Jefferson reported to Secretary of State John Jay, and to the Congress:

The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet (Mohammed), that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to heaven.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan07/jeff_quran.htm
muslim justifies slavery and piracy%u2026
http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?6bdec278-6a71-4436-bc4d-29d1c54b0ad7

[lars008-2009]

Our Prophet commanded us to fight the kaafirs when we are able and to attack them in their homelands and to give them three choices before we enter their lands: either they become Muslim and be like us, sharing our rights and duties; or they pay the jizyah (poll tax) and feel themselves subdued; or they fight, in which case their wealth, women, children and homes become permissible as booty for the Muslims.
http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=13759&ln=eng&txt=before%20islam%20arabia%20pagan

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! March 23, 1775 Patrick Henry

[iceman_1960]

"USA's PLEDGE 2 THE WORLD GIVEN BY SPEED FREAK LOVER OF MARILYN MONROE!!

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty."
--John F. Kennedy, Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1961 "
- Posted by lars008 at 09:24 AM : Jul 15, 2007

Just keep talking tough, lars008.

These guys are paying for it:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070715/ap_on_re_us/coming_home_wounded_burn_unit

[lars008-2009]

Posted by Iceman_1960 at 07:24 AM : Jul 15, 2007

USA's PLEDGE 2 THE WORLD GIVEN BY JFK!!

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty."
--John F. Kennedy, Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1961 "

"Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country." --John F. Kennedy, Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1961 "

One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Winston Churchill

"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." Albert Einstein

Edmund Burke: All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing.

[ms38654ob]

Al-Maliki: Iraqis Can Keep Country Secure

Americans: Iraqis Can Keep the Country...

[iceman_1960]

"when do we leave bosnia??? korea??? japan??? germany???"
- Posted by lars008 at 10:23 PM : Jul 14, 2007

When they turn into neverending quagmires, we lose thousands of American troops in 4+ years, a report of the situation shows most "benchmarks for progress" not being met, and over 60% of the American people are demanding an American exit.

That's when we leave bosnia, korea, japan and germany.


(civil war
n.
A war between factions or regions of the same country.

- American Heritage Dictionary)

[iceman_1960]

"Thank God for strong leaders like President George W Bush who won't run from terrorists."
- Posted by telecom_1 at 01:12 AM : Jul 15, 2007

What was he doing in Nebraska after 9-11 ?

Trout fishing ?

Lieberman takes his orders from the Israeli lobby. He should decide if his loyalty is to Isreal of the United States.

veteran71 wrote:

"...perhaps gainful employment suitable to a man of his I.Q.,......I wonder if he could be taught to say, "Would you like Fries with that"???"

I'm not so sure - I think even fast food restaurants have a rule about employees who dribble on other peoples food.

veteran71 wrote:

"I think I saw didntinhale down by the Freeway holding a sign that said, "Will Post Ridiculous
Neocon Drivel For Food". It was really sad to see a once proud Delusional Idiot and regular CBS Bushbot Troll, reduced to begging. I didn't think McDonalds fired those Mentally Challenged guys, but seeing is believing. I tossed him a quarter without making eye contact and kept on driving."

That's more then he was worth anyway - and more then his posts were worth (apart from novelty value).