Kucinich Blasts Edwards Over Debate Rules

Ohio Congressman And Democratic Presidential Candidate Says Rival Shows "A Consistent Lack Of Integrity"

(CBS)  An angry Dennis Kucinich lashed out at John Edwards on Friday, saying his Democratic rival showed "a consistent lack of integrity" by suggesting fewer candidates should participate in presidential forums and then trying to explain his remark to reporters.
"This is a serious matter, and I'm calling him on it," Kucinich, an Ohio congressman, said in a telephone interview Friday. "Whispering, trying to rig an election, then denying what's going on and making excuses. It all reflects a consistent lack of integrity."

Kucinich's comments came after Edwards and Hillary Rodham Clinton were overheard Thursday discussing the possibility of limiting the number of participants in future presidential forums.

In an exchange captured on camera and open microphone by broadcasters after an NAACP forum in Detroit, Edwards approached Clinton onstage and whispered in her ear.

"We should try to have a more serious and a smaller group," Edwards said, and Clinton agreed.

"Our guys should talk," Clinton said, complaining the format had "trivialized" the discussion.

Kucinich, who typically polls in the low single digits, clearly felt the slight was directed at him. All eight Democratic contenders took part in the program, including Barack Obama, Bill Richardson, Chris Dodd, Joe Biden, Mike Gravel and Kucinich.

Both Edwards and Clinton were asked about the exchange Friday, and offered different explanations.

In New Hampshire, Clinton seemed to lay responsibility on Edwards.

"I think he has some ideas about what he'd like to do," she said, adding she liked participating in the forums.

For his part, Edwards told reporters in Iowa that he wasn't in favor of barring anyone from future gatherings. Rather, he said he wanted to see them separated into two groups of four each, chosen randomly.

"The result would be that we would have a much more serious discussion and people would actually be able to see what the differences are between us," he said.

Kucinich called Edwards' explanation "disturbing" and said he planned to contact Edwards and Clinton immediately to demand an apology.

"I accept their offer to participate in a debate with just the two of them," Kucinich said. "John should be happy with this, since he wants a small group."

Kucinich's bitterness toward Edwards was somewhat ironic, given the boost he gave Edwards in Iowa when they were both running for president in 2004.

Kucinich, who is very popular with a small but ardent group of liberal activists, asked his Iowa supporters to back Edwards if they didn't meet voting thresholds in any of the state's precincts. That effort increased Edwards' final delegate count in the state, putting Edwards within striking distance of winning the caucuses that year.

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MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: So let's follow the metaphor. What are the ripples you want to send out in this campaign?

SEN. GRAVEL: Thank you for asking that, because the ripples are that we've got to pull away from politics as usual. I'll give you an example. At the last debate on the 32nd wing at the end I made the statement about their being immoral.

SEN. GRAVEL: (From tape.) We have to have a president who has moral judgment.

Most of the people on this stage with me do not have that judgment and have proven it by the simple fact of what they've done.

SEN. GRAVEL: It's not their personal life I was talking about. I was talking about the fact that those presidential candidates that are standing up with me, they've got the power to end this war and they're not doing anything about it. And that in my mind is immoral, because as we we're talking then, as we're talking now, George, human beings are dying and American soldiers are getting their bodies blown apart and we're killing Iraqis, and there's no reason for it. We can stop that. And so if they aspire to be president, they ought to show some leadership in the Congress right now to end it. And I've given them the tools to do this with, and they don't pick up on it.

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Mike Gravel for President 2008

The National Initiative for Democracy
A POPULIST CONCEPT OF DEMOCRACY

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the people are more conservative than their elected officials regardless of political party.

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http://www.gravel2008.us/national_initiative

Mike Gravel for President 2008

The National Initiative for Democracy
A POPULIST CONCEPT OF DEMOCRACY

%u201CLet the People Decide%u201D

The central power of government in a democracy is lawmaking %u2013%u2013 not voting. Those who make the laws determine how, when, and if voters can vote. Florida and Ohio are but recent examples. Governments throughout history have been tools of oppression; they need not be. American citizens can gain control of their government by becoming lawmakers and turning its purpose to public benefit, and stemming government growth%u2013%u2013the people are more conservative than their elected officials regardless of political party.

Are the people qualified enough to make laws directly to govern their lives? They%u2019re qualified enough on Election Day to give their power away to political candidates who manipulate the electoral process to get elected. In fact, it%u2019s easier to decide one%u2019s self-interest directly than it is to guess the mind of a representative who will naturally put his or her self-interest first.

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[frb01]

We have to look at it this way, if Hillary Clinton were not a former first lady, she would have little more experience to offer than John Edwards. We as Americans should be proud that we have eighteen or so candidates running for the office. This happens once every four years and we should have the opportunity to hear all voices, not just the frontrunners of the moment because history has shown us that frontrunners often stumble along the way. If the 2nd tier candidates want to exit, they can do it on their own, in their timeframe.

[pepperp1]

It is not about Edwards, nice hair though; we can not keep dumbing down the Presidency. It is a competitive office that requires a highly skilled capable grownup and the debates should reflect that seriousness and qualification. Dennis claiming his fellow dems are rigging the election is a reckless exaggerated accusation and I am personally sick of the Childs play, people are dying this country is facing massive challenges and you have this goof and the Huckbee types on the right making the debates a joke. He is not qualified, and he dose not represent his party well with this cry baby fair WHAH, WHAH bull. Maybe Bloomberg will run%u2026this two party stuff has run its course and is bordering if not dysfunctional..

I admire Kucinich but I also like Hillary and Edwards. This is a little skirmish being blown out of proportion, and the people who are seizing on an opportunity to blast the Democratic candidates in general because of the negative tone of the article are wasting their breath. The implication that Democrats and Republicans are in bed together is outrageous! I have been around a long time and I have never, ever seen the kind of incompetence and corruption evidenced by the present White House in a Democratic administration...it is the worst in at least eight decades, if not in history!

[prinzowhales]

Edwards sat on the Senate Intelligence Committee and did not do due diligence on the materials set before him by the Neo-con intelligence assets. His office would not offer a cogent response as to why no WMDs could be located by Marine Major Scott Ritter and the UN inspection team despite the dozens of leads that they followed up from US intelligence. His office could not offer any cogent response as to why our NRO, NSA and CIA could not show the movement claimed by the Neo-scum press as to why the team could not find the WMDs at the places searched.

Edwards, in effect, bought into and sold the childish demand that the Iraqis 'prove a negative'...prove that they had no WMDs when they had opened Iraq to inspections and nothing was found.

Edwards, Clinton and the rest of the Democratic and Republican dreck which hope to continue the Long War for Anglo-American capital will be pleased that they have the support of people who want to follow the course that Bush has set... but this time with a sop to the poor and a "glad hand" for those naive enough to believe that a Kerry victory would have meant a different policy.

[sandycat2]

I don't agree with Kucinich's politics, but at least I know that cause he listen to what he has to say. Any person running for President should have the same chance to voice their views to the American people as all the rest. Kudos goes to Kucinich for speaking out and standing up for what is right and fair. And at least Kucinich isn't afraid to go on Fox News for an interview the way Clinton, Edwards and Obama are. What are they afraid of. If they can't handle Fox News, what makes anyone think they will be able to handle Iran?

[homespunlady]

Looks like the Dems are doing the same thing the Cons are doing - Shutting out the competition. So, it's Kucinich shut out on the left and Congressman Dr. Ron Paul on the right.
SAME TACTICS are being employed on BOTH sides of the SAME COIN.

[tucano2]

The only reason for watching the so-called debates is to se Mr. Kucinich roast the toes of the rich and pretty, who have little else going for them. The advertisers will certainly drop sponsorship due little audience should Mr. Kucinich not be included.
But it really does not matter as no true American is going to vote for any mainstream party candidate who is known to be an "open borders", "one-world", anti-American/pro-illegal alien, and supporter of sweat-shop slave-labor criminal employers of illegal aliens.

[undermyboot]

Kucinich needs to go back to porkin' his trophy wife and shut the f*ck up. No one cares. He just likes to hear himself talk. What a waste of good oxygen.

[red164]

The Clintons and the Bushes are openly in bed with one another. George HW Bush describes Bill as one of his best friends on earth and every month they are photographed gallivanting around kissing up to each other.

Hillary Clinton is the rat posion that will sink America.

Will mainstream conservatives discover their backbones and admit to themselves that George W. Bush and Hillary Clinton are drinking from the same Kool Aid?

Will conservatives accept the fact that 'war is a racket' and always uses phony patriotism as a cover for global domination?

Will they finally open their eyes to the screaming reality that both parties are controlled and directed by a higher evilarchy?

If the answer is yes then President Hillary Clinton will be good for America

"What good fortune for governments that the people do not think."
-- Adolph Hitler

"It doesn't matter who casts the ballots.
What matters is who counts the ballots."
- Joseph Stalin -

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Washington, D.C., January 26, 2006 - A secret Pentagon "roadmap" on war propaganda, personally approved by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld in October 2003, calls for "boundaries" between information operations abroad and the news media at home, but provides for no such limits and claims that as long as the American public is not "targeted," any leakage of PSYOP to the American public does not matter.

[starleo146]

hopetrumps You are right about these people's language against John and Hillary but they can't help it it is obvious the Ann Coulter relationshio they have makes them do it.

[SIDNEYWILLIAMSMD]

fredgrad2000,,,, After the last 6 years of you promoting the biggest liar in America's history --Do you really expect anyone to listen to you on who you think is credible ???
Posted by j-whitman at 08:29 PM : Jul 14, 2007

Hey fredgrad2000...lets cut this personal stuff out unless you would like to step outside and settle this like men. Leave J-whitman alone. I like what he has to say. You do believe in freedom of speech and internet don't you. After all if I can make an a$$ out of myself, you should be entitled to do so likewise. Did you play well with others in kindergarden or were you the bully?

[SIDNEYWILLIAMSMD]

Right, they have not changed their positions. John Edwards is so cute that half the gay world is pulling for him. He must use Pantene to get that hair just right. Kucinich is a stalinist retread and does a better Joe Stalin than Joe himself. Kucinich and Edwards would make an interesting ticket...proably like a Jimmy Carter presidency or Green Acres type rerun.

[SIDNEYWILLIAMSMD]

Right, they have not changed their positions. John Edwards is so cute that half the gay world is pulling for him. He must use Pantene to get that hair just right. Kucinich is a stalinist retread and does a better Joe Stalin than Joe himself. Kucinich and Edwards would make an interesting ticket...proably like a Jimmy Carter presidency or Green Acres type rerun.

[j-whitman]

fredgrad2000,,,, After the last 6 years of you promoting the biggest liar in America's history -- Do you really expect anyone to listen to you on who you think is credible ???

[fredgrad2000]

The only Dems with any integrity in the race, who haven't changed their positions on virtually everything for this primary are Joe Biden, Kucinich, and for the most part, Obama (though his recent support for a firm withdrawal deadline from Iraq is a change from this previous positions - even if he's right). HIllary and Edwards in particular are both people who when in office (except when being watched for Presidential contention) have voted rather moderate; yet both now are either lying or are by their actions now, admitting all their previous statements before this campaign were lies. They are both running the campaigns dictated to them by their minions and by MoveOn.org - neither one of them has a shred of credibility - both are just running left because they know who the Dem primary voters are and who controls the Dem party now (MoveOn.org and the far far left).