5 Die As Small Plane Hits 2 Houses

While Attempting Emergency Landing Tuesday Morning In Suburban Orlando

(CBS/AP)  A small plane trying to make an emergency landing crashed into two houses Tuesday, killing five people and starting fires that seriously burned three others in one of the homes, authorities said.

NASCAR confirmed that Dr. Bruce Kennedy, a Daytona Beach plastic surgeon and husband of International Speedway Corporation President Lesa France Kennedy, and NASCAR Aviation pilot Michael Klemm were among the dead. The plane was registered to a Daytona Beach company linked to NASCAR's late chairman.

The identities of the victims on the ground were not immediately released.

Authorities said an adult and two children died in the homes that were quickly gutted by the fire after the airplane crashed in the suburban Orlando neighborhood around 8:40 a.m.

The crash comes on the heels on of the death of former NASCAR
chairman Bill France Junior. He died June fourth at his Daytona
Beach home. He was 74. Lesa France Kennedy is France's daughter.

Authorities did not release the identities of the others killed.

Matt Minnetto, a fire investigator with Sanford Fire Department, said two people aboard the plane were confirmed dead in the crash and the plane itself was scattered in several pieces. At least three people were injured in one of the homes, including two adults and a boy about 10 years old who had burns over 80 to 90 percent of his body, Minnetto said.

"They have shut down the entire neighborhood, and they are evacuating people in the area because there have been explosions since the plane hit the home," reports CBS affiliate WKMG.

The twin engine Cessna 310 was registered to Competitor Liaison Bureau Inc. of Daytona Beach, said Kathleen Bergen with the Federal Aviation Administration. Competitor Liaison is based in Daytona Beach and registered under the name of William C. France, the late chairman of NASCAR, online records from the Department of State Division of Corporations show. James C. France also is listed as an officer of the company.

The plane was traveling from Daytona Beach to Lakeland when the pilot declared smoke in the cockpit. The pilot was attempting to land at the Orlando Sanford International Airport when the plane crashed about a mile or two north of the airport, Bergen said.

A firefighter who responded to the blazes was also hurt trying to reach the victims.

Eric Domnitz, who lives just down the street from the crash, said the fire was twice the size of a normal two-story house in the neighborhood. He hurried with a fire extinguisher to a horrific scene and said he saw some of the victims.

“It's in my head. The woman was just melting. It looked like her skin was just melting off,” he said. “The guy, he was melting. He looked like wax.”

Neighbors reported hearing a wooshing sound and the crash explosion as they were readying for their days.

"I've never seen so many flames, never in all my life," Marcela Rodriguez told the Orlando Sentinel. She was eating breakfast at a friend's home when the plane crashed two houses away.

Rodriguez said she ran out and was unable to see anyone because of the heat and flames.

Heather Stahley, who also lives in the neighborhood, told the Orlando Sentinel she was upstairs with her two children when she heard the "boom, boom, boom" of the crash.

"Then I saw the two homes engulfed in flames and black smoke," she said. "I just couldn't believe it was happening."

[jetlizhan]

sounds like miraculously no one was killed - my sister lives in orlando and this is just too close for comfort for me

[supertpt119]

dude there WERE people killed - 2

and one of my friends just left from lakewood to floria - so im not sure whether it was his plane or not.

i hope not...

[erasmus6]

jetlizhan

"sounds like miraculously no on was killed..."

Are you kidding me? Do you comprehend what you read?

[armaniexchng]

r u serious??? helloooooo... 2 people were killed that were on the airplane.

[jetlizhan]

uh-oh, guess my speed reading went a little too fast; sorry guys

[clevercandi]

Healing thoughts and prayers to those affected by this tragedy.

[rjd517]

It is Minnetto not Minnetta thats been one of my best friends for 20 years! It's a shame about the little boy! awful

[rjd517]

orlandosentinel.com said 5 confirmed dead what a shame, horrible!

[averjane]

These people were just in their homes probably not even out of bed yet. Children off from school enjoying their late sleep. This always scares me whenever I hear these little planes sputtering around overhead when I'm at home. Sometimes it's dark and these planes are out flying around over top of people's homes. It's just scarey because these little single engine planes just conk out and then they become a threat to people below. This is very shocking and sad.

[kaiyo4u]

I saw the smoke from my house, it was unnerving as an aviation student. My prayers go out to those affected by this tragedy.
A note for AverJane: It was a twin engine airplane. According to reports, the pilot had declared an emergency and the cockpit had filled with smoke....

[aerodog]

Does anyone know appx how far Sanford is from Orlando?

[bosnmate820]

People, wake up! you don't even read an article before posting ridiculous statements. This aircraft had declared an emergency and had only seconds to get on the ground. There are no shoulders to pull onto in the sky. Going over houses is the only way into a lot of our airports. I for one wouldn't buy or build a house next to an airport.

As far as the rich playboys wanting to impress people, you are probably jealous that you cant afford a plane, but i bet you have a big fancy boat to tool around on with naked or half naked girls on the bow.

These events are like auto accidents, they are called accidents because that's what they are. Think about this the next time you see two or more cars trying to occupy the same space on a road. Think about it the next time a big passenger plane crashes and kills a lot of people.

It was a shame that anyone had to die in this "accident" but that's a part of life. You stand a bigger chance of getting killed on the road than in the air or in a plane crashing into a house. The only difference is the press blows the plane crash out of proportions. When was the last time you saw a car wreck in the nightly news on TV? We had one near here where a drunk driver killed five, including three small kids and injured seven more. He himself wasn't injured and was driving on suspended license and had at least four DUI convictions. Did you see that on your TV?

[stardust999]

In response to the above. The plane was being flown by a commercially rated pilot from NASCAR. Have some compassion


the pilot was identified as France Kennedy's husband....where did you read he was COMMERCIALLY trained?

The avaiation pilot from NASCAR was IN the plane not piloting it

[pschulman2]

To dmbufano I am from Ormond Beach, FL where Dr. Bruce Kennedy and his family live and I will tell you he was in no way as you described. He and his family were charitable, giving people who gave back as much to the community as they gained. He has a loving wife and son left behind to mourn him along with many friends who will miss him tremendously. He was neither selfish or uncaring and this was a horrible tragedy resulting from apparent plane malfunction. Just for your information, there are no commercial flights from Daytona Beach to Lakeland. And until you know why he was going there, please do not be so judgemental. He was a brilliant plastic surgeon and a dentist who performed many facial surgeries on trauma patients and his talents will be sorely missed. Please pray for all involved and ask for peace to the survivors and their friends and families, including the pilot and co-pilot of the plane.

[zootallures2]

As far as the rich playboys wanting to impress people, you are probably jealous that you cant afford a plane, but i bet you have a big fancy boat to tool around on with naked or half naked girls on the bow.
Posted by bosnmate820 at 02:06 PM : Jul 10, 2007

How much would you like to bet? How can you assume what others think when you've barely got the hang of thinking yorself..lol!

S_Temper is 100% correct. No opionion, just the fact! Like 2+2=4. Cars are a question of if they want to make them safe. NASCARs can handle a 200mph crash pretty good. Imagine that safety at 65. But you are too cheap. For the price of a car now, you should have that safety. And the houses should be able to withstand a tornado and transform into a yaht during a flood for what you pay for them.

[zootallures2]

He was a brilliant plastic surgeon and a dentist who performed many facial surgeries on trauma patients and his talents will be sorely missed.

Posted by PSchulman2 at 03:11 PM : Jul 10, 2007

Rather pointless while, for example, people are starting wars that kill millions. What about Iraq? Or Afghanastan? They have bombs, rockets and fires every day. No one should miss them? Little kids who never did anything to anyone? All for your false flag operation and corporate garbage?

[grammawhamma]

S_Temper...Do you take a bus to get to your destination all the time or do you drive your car? I'm sure there are alot less bus accidents then car accidents. Same thing as your arguement of commercial flight vs small private plane.

[asor1-2009]

PSchulman2, you tried!
Some folks would much rather sling mud than offer a bit of compassion.
Suddenly they all know so much about who should fly where and when. Keep the survivors in your heart, they need our good thoughts.

[mercer_rd]

RE: "Rather pointless while, for example, people are starting wars that kill millions. What about Iraq? Or Afghanastan? They have bombs, rockets and fires every day. No one should miss them? Little kids who never did anything to anyone? All for your false flag operation and corporate garbage?"
Posted by zootallures2 at 03:31 PM : Jul 10, 2007

Thank you for your informative little tidbit.

There are two or three places which cover the TWOT on this site. This is about a plane crash your rant is completely unrelated....

Well some people need practical advise. There are far too many overly qualified on these postings to dispense it, and I just wanted to beat someone to the punch.

On these postings you will find the regulars have an expert opinion on every topic. Very seldom can we regular posters have an unexpressed thought or opinion. We are compelled to share our expert opinions as well as our expert advice to any and all who open the door.(mainly to our selves) I hope that you have been enlightened and that you will excersice better judgement with the placement of your next posting. Good luck and God Speed, now go make some posts

[coffeehead-2009]

He was a brilliant plastic surgeon and a dentist who performed many facial surgeries on trauma patients and his talents will be sorely missed.

Posted by PSchulman2 at 03:11 PM : Jul 10, 2007


Yes he was~~~~~~~~~~~~ And very fortunate to have wealth and a great plentifully filled life.

And - I'm sure that the dead mother was a BRILLIANT parent who preformed wonderfully for her family and children and will be sorely missed.

The frances have lost a son-in-law...
2 families have lost more members and also possibly a source of mandatory survival income and much hardship financially to come. It is sad all the way around.

Shame that in this country money sometimes prioritizes the media's sympathy and thus minimizes the true intensity and focal points of a tradgedy.

The ramifications of death are awful for ALL.
But those who have to deal with the devastation of loss AND the monetary cost deserve better than just a "passing metion".

[fake-id-2009]

"In response to the above. The plane was being flown by a commercially rated pilot from NASCAR. Have some compassion...the pilot was identified as France Kennedy's husband....where did you read he was COMMERCIALLY trained? ... The avaiation pilot from NASCAR was IN the plane not piloting it..." Posted by stardust999 at 03:06 PM : Jul 10, 2007
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This is a sad story, no doubt. But you are wrong on all counts. Go back and read the story again...

[down-ndirty]

"My problem is with these small planes and the egotistical owners and passengers who think their time is too valuable to fly on a commercial airline. ... Small, privately owned planes are notorious for deadly crashes ... " Posted by S_Temper at 02:27 PM : Jul 10, 2007
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Are you a fan of John Travolta? He is one of those "egotistical owners" who not only flys a Gulfstream but also a 707, both of which he parks in his "back yard." His 707 burns more fuel in an hour than all of my vehicles use in a year.

As for your statement about small planes being notorious for deadly crashes...you have no clue what you are talking about. All private aircraft are subjected to an annual inspection and all pilots are subjected to a bi-annual flight check.

Your vehicle does not get the inspections that private aircraft get. Nor do you as a driver have to continuously prove you are capable of handling emergency situations.

Sure, situations happen too often in the air. But deadly accidents happen every minute of every day on the highway and neither car nor driver are subjected to the accident prevention activities to which planes and pilots are subjected.

Driving is far less safe than flying. In fact, the major killer of teenagers is automobiles. Think about that next time you let your child/grandchild/niece/nephew drive.

[mdc76082]

"Shame that in this country money sometimes prioritizes the media's sympathy and thus minimizes the true intensity and focal points of a tradgedy."
Amen coffeehead. Talk about hitting a nail on the head, this is right on target. But please let me add this:

"He was a brilliant plastic surgeon and a dentist who performed many facial surgeries on trauma patients and his talents will be sorely missed."
Posted by PSchulman2 at 03:11 PM : Jul 10, 2007

I wonder, and if he should survive, PSchulman2, if the 10yr old boy (w/80-90% burns) who will undoubtedly go through many, many, many surgeries of his own, not to mention psych therapy for his disfigurement that will follow him for a lifetime, will he sorely miss the "normality" of life itself? Will this 10yr old's "talents" be missed as well. You, PSchulman2, are without a doubt, a major "head up your a_ss" work of art.

[dirtydog55]

"... then they won't mind giving their fortune to the families of the parents and children Dr. Kennedy incinerated." Posted by S_Temper at 03:26 PM : Jul 10, 2007
- - - -

You are, of course, assuming Kennedy was flying the plane, even though the article doesn't say he was. Even though there was a "pilot" on board. In fact, the article doesn't even say that Kennedy was a pilot.

I'm amazed at the assumptions people make. Go back and read the article.

[mercer_rd]

RE: "My problem is with these small planes and the egotistical owners and passengers who think their time is too valuable to fly on a commercial airline. ... Small, privately owned planes are notorious for deadly crashes ... " Posted by S_Temper at 02:27 PM : Jul 10, 2007"

So is your Ford Tempo

[dirtydog55]

"Does anyone know appx how far Sanford is from Orlando?" Posted by aerodog at 01:38 PM : Jul 10, 2007
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About 20 miles from downtown Orlando. Sanford is on Lake Monroe. The Sanford airport used to be Naval Air Station Sanford.

If they approached Sanford airport from the west or northwest they had almost no chance of putting it down in an empty field, or lake. Lake Monroe is about 2 miles north of the airport and Lake Jessup is about 2 miles south.

[jw218389]

Hey Airplane Haters,

Keep this in mind - more people died driving on I-95 today than died in this plane crash...

Maybe we should be talking about banning cars and "their egotistical owners?"

It's amazing how many Americans want to destroy their (and other's) freedoms...

[jetranger7]

AS FOR THE STATEMENT ABOUT JOHN TRAVOLTA, MENTIONED ABOVE-- MR.TRAVOLTA IS A SERIOUS AVATION BUFF AND PILOT, AND TAKES HIS FLYING SERIOUS AS WELL AS THE MAINTENCE ON HIS AIRCRAFT !AS FAR AS THE EGOS OF SOME OF THESE RICH PEOPLE WHO ARE EITHER DOCTORS OR ACTORS OR MULTI-MILLIONAIRES, MANY OF THEM ARE NOT SERIOUS AVAITION BUFFS WHO ARE RENTLESS ABOUT MAINTENCE, AND OFTEN DO NOT DESIRE TO SPEND THE MONEY ON MAINTENCE AND PROPER UP KEEP, OR CONSTANT ANNUALS, AND ONLY WANT TO FLY THE PLANE. MANY TIMES I'VE SEEN NEGLECT ON THEIR HIGH DOLLAR EXPENSIVE SPORTS CARS AS WELL, JUST IMAGINE THEIR AIRCRAFT !!! SO TO SAY MR. TRAVOLTA FITS IN THAT ARROGRANT CATAGORY, IS NOT SO, AND NOT TRUE AND, SOUNDS MORE TO ME LIKE JEALOSY, THAN FACTS !!! MR. JOHN TRAVOLTA HAS SPENT MOST OF HIS MONEY GENERATED FROM ACTING ON PERFECTING HIS FLYING ABILITIES AND, IS CERTIFIED TO FLY SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF AIRCRAFT, INCLUDING THE ONES HE OWNS AND PROFESSIONALLY MAINTAINS !!!! THE COMMENT WAS UNFOUNDED ABOVE !!!! THANK-YOU- JETRANGER 0007

[down-ndirty]

"TO SAY MR. TRAVOLTA FITS IN THAT ARROGRANT CATAGORY, IS NOT SO, AND NOT TRUE AND, SOUNDS MORE TO ME LIKE JEALOSY, THAN FACTS !!! MR. JOHN TRAVOLTA HAS SPENT MOST OF HIS MONEY GENERATED FROM ACTING ON PERFECTING HIS FLYING ABILITIES AND, IS CERTIFIED TO FLY SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF AIRCRAFT, ... THE COMMENT WAS UNFOUNDED ABOVE !!!!" Posted by JetRanger7 at 11:38 PM : Jul 10, 2007
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The comment was founded on the fact that Travolta needlessly burns up precious fossile fuels to feed his own ego. Is he "above" going to the nearest airport and flying as a passenger? Yes. Does he really need to fly himself around in a Boeing 707 when his Gulfstream is far more efficient? No. He does it to feed his ego.

Mr. Travolta?? Do you work for him? Is that why you defend him?

Besides, unfounded or not, I have a right to my opinion.

OBTW: TYPING IN ALL CAPS ADDS NOTHING TO YOUR COMMENTARY!!!

[down-ndirty]

"How is it any different when someone is DRIVING a private CAR NEAR my house? The definition of an "accident" is an "unexpected and undesirable event." This was not an accident, because it is very reasonable to expect these CARS to crash; and if they DRIVE NEAR densely populated areas, innocent people on the ground are knowingly placed in harm's way by the DRIVERS. The legal term for liability without fault is "strict liability" and applies when a person engages in (1) abnormally dangerous activities, (2) keeping animals, or (3) selling defective, unreasonably dangerous products. Even if they have not acted intentionally or negligently, people who engage in these activities are strictly liable for damages to others. DRIVING CARS is an abnormally dangerous activity, whether you want to admit it or not, and you should be held strictly liable."

I changed the words around a little. Get the picture?

dirtydog55, Kennedy OWNED the plane. The owner is just as strictly liable for damages as the pilot.
Posted by S_Temper at 12:42 AM : Jul 11, 2007

From the article: "The plane was registered to a Daytona Beach company linked to NASCAR's late chairman."

Jeeeeseus!! Doesn't anyone know how to read? Plus you are a VERY UNREASONABLE person if you think it is reasonable to expect airplane to crash and not expect automobiles to crash.

The fact that you think it's ok to own dangerous and uncontrollable pit bulls proves my point.

[dirtydog55]

"dirtydog55, Kennedy OWNED the plane. The owner is just as strictly liable for damages as the pilot." Posted by S_Temper at 12:42 AM : Jul 11, 2007
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S_Temper, you and others need to improve your reading comprehension.

Can you show me the text in the article said that Kennedy owned the plane? Kennedy was NOT the late chairman of NASCAR; his father-in-law was.

Can you show me the text in the article said that Kennedy was flying the plane?

Do you really think, FOR A MINUTE!, that the owner of that plane, or perhaps the dead pilot, whomever he is, will NOT be held liable for the damage and lives the ACCIDENT took. That's what they have INSURANCE for.

Do you really think, FOR A MINUTE!, that because airplanes don't use roads and highways, they get a FREE RIDE!

Get your head out of the sand. Airplanes and pilots are INSURED; car and drivers are INSURED (at least in my state); pit bulls and their owners are NOT insured.

Regardless of whether they're insured or not, they are still subject to being sued for damages.

Take some reading comprehension classes and then read the article again.

[nyteryder2]

"Also, I believe people should have the right to own a pitbull or any other type of dog, but if the dog gets loose and hurts or kills someone, the owner should be held responsible. ... This was not an accident, because it is very reasonable to expect these small planes to crash" Posted by S_Temper at 12:42 AM : Jul 11, 2007

By your stated reasoning ...

...I get that it's ok to own a dangerous pit bull but not fly a plane.

...I get that it's reasonable to expect an airplane to fall out of the sky but not reasonable for a pit bull to get loose and kill someone.

...I get that it's ok to drive automobiles but not fly airplanes, inspite of the fact that airplanes are far safer than automobiles.

...I get that you say you are a libertarian who vehemently promotes individual rights, unless someone wants to do something you oppose. LOL!!

[down-ndirty]

down-ndirty: So Kennedy's WIFE'S FAMILY owned the plane. What's the difference???
Posted by S_Temper at 01:05 AM : Jul 11, 2007
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Actually the plane was owned by International Speedway Corporation (ISC), a publicly owned company. Being chairman, or even president of a corporation doesn't mean that person owns it. So, by your logic, all the ISC stock owners are liable. LOL!!
______________________


And the argument that planes are safer than cars is BS. Pilots hold the second most dangerous occupation in the US: Posted by S_Temper at 01:00 AM : Jul 11, 2007
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That's a weak argument and doesn't explain why more people die in automobile crashes. In fact, autos are the number one killers of teenagers. That wouldn't be true if drivers, especially teenagers, had the driving skills equivalent to the skills of pilots.

You have a bias, S_Temper. The fact that you compare pit bulls to airplanes proves it.

And for you being a libertarian...THATS BS!!

[down-ndirty]

S_Temper, transportation rates of death are based on "MILES TRAVELED" not population. LOL!!This is from the SAME Wikipedia you sourced:

"Air travel is the safest form of transportation available. Trains have .04 deaths for every 100 million miles while air travel has .01 deaths for every 100 million miles traveled. However, compared to the automobile, with .94 deaths per 100 million miles, both figures are relatively low."

Let's see... if I can do the difficult math involved...I'm 94 more times likely to die in an automobile than in an airplane.

End of discussion. Anything else you say is just BS. The facts speak for themselves. You drive; I'll fly.

[down-ndirty]

The argument that cars are more dangerous than airplanes is false. Wikipedia: "The National Transportation Safety Board (2006) reports 1.3 deaths per hundred million vehicle miles for travel by car, and 1.7 deaths per hundred million vehicle miles for travel by air." So shut the #@%* up with that old, BS! YOU ARE WRONG!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A
viation_accidents_and_incidents
Posted by S_Temper at 01:48 AM : Jul 11, 2007
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So, Wikipedia contradicts itself, which is no surprise, and you are resorting to being childish and using foul language. Did you really say "...shut the phuckk up?" ROFLMMFAO!!!!! How childish!!!

OBTW: Here's my source -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airplane_crashes

Good night, assshole...

[nyteryder2]

Hmmmm...maybe I should jump in and moderate this "debate."

S_Temper, you said, "The argument that cars are more dangerous than airplanes is false. Wikipedia: "The National Transportation Safety Board (2006) reports 1.3 deaths per hundred million vehicle miles for travel by car, and 1.7 deaths per hundred million vehicle miles for travel by air." So shut the #@%* up with that old, BS! YOU ARE WRONG!"

And your source is: "Aviation accidents and incidents" on wikipedia.

However, when I checked that page on Wikipedia, under the heading SAFETY, it says:

"Air travel is the safest form of transportation available. Trains have .04 deaths for every 100 million miles while air travel has .01 deaths for every 100 million miles traveled. However, compared to the automobile, with .94 deaths per 100 million miles, both figures are relatively low."

Isn't that what down-ndirty said?

Here's the source again...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_accidents_and_incidents

I believe it's the same one you cited, is it not?

I didn't find the stats you cited; not on Wikipedia and not on the NTSB website. Please enlighten us and provide your source.

[nyteryder2]

Ah-hah!! S-Temper, you mis-represented the facts!!

From the "Air Safety" page on Wikipedia, the FULL statement:

"It is often reported that air travel is the safest in terms of deaths per passenger mile. The National Transportation Safety Board (2006) reports 1.3 deaths per hundred million vehicle miles for travel by car, and 1.7 deaths per hundred million vehicle miles for travel by air. These are not passenger miles. If an airplane has 100 passengers, then the passenger miles are 100 times higher, making the risk 100 times lower. The number of deaths per passenger mile on commercial airlines between 1995 and 2000 is about 3 deaths per 10 billion passenger miles."

Tell me, S-Temper, is 3 per 10 BILLION less than 1.7 per 100 MILLION. About how many times less??

Again, you need to take reading comprehension classes.

And I don't believe you're a libertarian; just another fact-twisting neocon.

But keep trying, S-Temper. Someday you'll debate that 5th grader who isn't quite up to par. LOL!!

[nyteryder2]

Hmmmmm....even my tired old brain gets tired now and then. 1.7 should be 1.3. The statement should read:

"Tell me, S-Temper, is 3 per 10 BILLION less than 1.7 per 100 MILLION. About how many times less??"

Equalizing the terms would make it ".003 deaths per 100 million miles for air travel and 1.3 deaths per 100 million miles for auto travel."

You do the math, S-Temper; I'm tired.

On second thought, don't do the math. If you can't comprehend what you read there's no telling what you will come up with doing simple division.

[nyteryder2]

OBTW: If you can "think outside the box" and go to the NASCAR or ISC website, you will learn that Kennedy WAS the pilot of the plane (but he DIDN't own it). Proves my theory that doctors should not be pilots (or politicians). CBS had more information than ABC or NBC but they still didn't have all the information.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the people who were injured or killed, and to their families.

[grammawhamma]

S_Temper, your home is more likely to be crashed into by an automobile then it is by a small plane. I'm also sure that your home is more likely to be struck by lightning instead of a plane. I think you sound jealous of those that can afford what you can't. When I go to bed tonight, I'm not going to stay awake worrying a plane is going to crash into my house...neither should you. Sleep well.

[gramto7]

Proves my theory that doctors should not be pilots ...
Posted by nyteryder2

Just because most of the people who have posted here cannot walk and chew gum at the same time doesn't mean that no one else can. Saying doctors shouldn't be pilots is as senseless as saying an office worker shouldn't drive!

Another thing.. the airport at Sanford was there years before those houses were... if the people didn't want to take the risk of living in close proximity of the airport, they should not have moved there. I do feel sorry for the families who have been injured and/or lost a family member, but the people posting here and ranting about the planes flying over houses need to stop and think about who was there first.

[kaiyo4u]

For some of you that cannot get it out of your heads, this plane was for hire, not a private aircraft.
Any plane for hire has to be inspected every 100 hours and annually. It was also a twin engine aircraft.
The author of the story got the distance wrong from the airport.
They were approximately 4 miles from the airport (straight line). With a cabin full of smoke it would be difficult to see where they were going (remember he had declared an emergency).
Using Google Earth and plotting the path the pilot would take (usually direct) it was 100 miles. Which would take a twin engine approximately 45 mins. to fly from DAB to LAL. By car it would have taken about two hours not counting the parking lot on I-4 every morning.
It was a terrible accident and will be fully investigated as are all accidents involving aircraft.
My condolences to all those affected by this tradgedy...

[down-ndirty]

"For some of you that cannot get it out of your heads, this plane was for hire, not a private aircraft." Posted by kaiyo4u at 08:38 AM : Jul 11, 2007
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It's "IN" our heads because the story said it was owned by "a Daytona Beach company linked to NASCAR's late chairman." Read it again. LOL!!

And from the NASCAR site, "a Cessna 310 registered to Competitor Liaison Bureau Inc. of Daytona Beach...and lists William C. France, the late chairman of NASCAR, as its registered agent..." Source: nascar.com

If you know something otherwise why not post your source instead of being so smug.

I'm amazed at the number of people who can't read or make erroneous assumptions.

My sympathy and prayers to the victims and their families.

[stardust999]

From NASCAR.com

"This morning, at approximately 8:40 a.m. Eastern Time, a Cessna 310 registered to Competitor Liaison Bureau Inc. of Daytona Beach, crashed in a Sanford, Florida, area neighborhood. At this time, we can confirm there were two people on-board, including the pilot, Dr. Bruce Kennedy and Michael Klemm, a senior captain with NASCAR Aviation. Both were killed in the crash.

"Dr. Kennedy was the husband of NASCAR Board Member and ISC President Lesa France Kennedy.

"It is clear that numerous families were affected by this terrible tragedy and unfortunately several people were deceased or seriously injured. Our deepest sympathies and prayers are with all of those who were involved in this tragic accident and their families. We will provide additional information as it becomes available."

Kennedy was piloting the Cessna 310 when it went down about 8:40 a.m. ET shortly after takeoff from Daytona International Airport. At a briefing shortly before 11 a.m., the Seminole County Sheriff's office said the pilot and co-pilot were both killed in the crash.

[stardust999]

For some of you that cannot get it out of your heads, this plane was for hire, not a private aircraft." Posted by kaiyo4u at 08:38 AM : Jul 11, 2007


Please indicate your source for the afore mentioned statement

From what I have read on numerous sites - the plance was owned and operated by ISC/NASCAR as the parent corporation.

Brass tax:
Horrible tragedy
It will take much time for all to recover
Let the families mourn in peace
Don't make assumptions

[smilingb1]

I cannot believe that folks are more concerned w/ who owned the aircraft, the accuracy of the distance to the airport and the ability of physicians to fly planes. PEOPLE LOST THEIR LIVES. Did you miss that important fact?

[nyteryder2]

S_Temper, you keep leaving out the most important sentence (which I put in caps) that is in your referenced article. Here is the complete statement from your AIR SAFETY reference:

"IT IS OFTEN REPORTED THAT AIR TRAVEL IS THE SAFEST IN TERMS OF DEATHS PER PASSENGER MILE. The National Transportation Safety Board (2006) reports 1.3 deaths per hundred million vehicle miles for travel by car, and 1.7 deaths per hundred million vehicle miles for travel by air. THESE ARE NOT PASSENGER MILES. If an airplane has 100 passengers, then the passenger miles are 100 times higher, making the risk 100 times lower. The number of deaths per passenger mile on commercial airlines between 1995 and 2000 is about 3 deaths per 10 billion passenger miles."

Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_safety

Another source cites 1 death per 7,700 (population) for motor vehicles and 1 death per 2,067,000 (population) for air carriers. This site also states "Deaths per passenger mile should also be considered as a basic risk measure when comparing risks amongst various modes of transportation. Since the average number of passengers in an aircraft far exceeds the average number of passengers in a motor vehicle, the passenger mile risk of air carrier transportation is significantly less than that of motor vehicle transportation."
Source: hazmat.dot.gov/riskmgmt/riskcompare.htm

[nyteryder2]

" nyteryder2, you don't know me, and you probably don't know what Libertarianism is, but I'll respond to your claim that I'm a "fact-twisting neocon" by guessing that you are a deceitful socialist ***-gobbler. Now we're even." Posted by S_Temper at 04:44 PM : Jul 12, 2007
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Libertarian or not, you distort the facts by leaving out essential information. You will never be even with me, because your reading comprehension is not up to par.

[nyteryder2]

There is no need for you to address me further, because you will only look more foolish.
Posted by S_Temper at 04:33 AM : Jul 13, 2007
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You really had to dig deep to find that one, didn't you?

In view of all the objective evidence refuting your statement, S-Temper, your arrogance overwhelms you.

Plus, my commercial pilot's certificate with instrument and instructor ratings gives me a lot of insight of the subject matter.

[nyteryder2]

"Study lead author Dr. Guohua Li says intoxication isn't any less dangerous on a bicycle." Source: hopkinsmedicine.org/hnf/hnf_1489.htm

"We all know the dangers of drinking and driving, but now researchers from Johns Hopkins University warn against the dangers of drinking and riding a bike. In this week's Journal of the American Medical Association, Guohua Li, M.D., Dr.P.H. and colleagues report on the number of fatalities and injury accidents among people who were riding a bike while intoxicated." Source: chennaionline.com/health/homearticles/riding.asp

"An epidemiologist, Dr. Li is interested in injury causation and trauma outcomes, with an emphasis on risk factors identification and policy interventions. His studies encompass innovative research methodology, injury surveillance systems, occupational safety, aging, and alcohol abuse." Source: hopkinsmedicine.org

"Dr. Gouhua Li ... serves at the principal investigator for research project aimed at understanding the injury risk during the process of aging and the EFFECTIVENESS OF MANDATORY ALCOHOL TESTING IN AVIATION AND MOTOR CARRIERS."
Source: geog.hku.hk/isrs2006/Li_bio.pdf

It appears Dr. Li's expertise is not aviation safety statistics.

S_Temper, you're NIT PICKING and SELECTIVELY CHOOSING articles that weakly support your invalid theories. When you are proven wrong you move on to another source.

Keep moving, S_Temper, your arrogance overwhelms you.