LONDON, July 1, 2007

British Muslims Worry About Backlash

Name-Calling And Anxiety After Attempted Attacks In Glasgow, London

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(AP)  Name-calling, anxiety, fear and anger rippled through Britain on Sunday after three failed bomb attacks in London and Glasgow. Government and religious leaders appealed for calm, but some Muslims braced for a backlash — while some non-Muslims looked for someone to blame.

The attacks sparked scattered incidents of racist abuse on the streets of London, with young white men targeting Muslim taxi drivers and others of South Asian appearance. Glasgow lawmaker Mohammad Sarwar said some Muslims in Scotland had been threatened or targeted with abusive graffiti.

"I have spoken to a number of people from the Muslim community and the Asian community who feel very angry," he told British Broadcasting Corp. radio.

He said Scottish Muslim leaders were meeting in Glasgow to discuss the attacks' impact on their community.

"They're concerned about a backlash and that's why the emergency meeting has been called."

Muslim anger was directed at the terrorists — but also at a society some felt singles Muslims out for scrutiny whenever there is a terrorist attack.

"We are seething with anger about this," said Osama Saeed, Scottish spokesman for the Muslim Association of Britain.

"As a community not only are we just as likely to be victims as anyone else, but we are also looked to in order to provide direction and in some respects take responsibility for this," he added.

"We are sick of being defined as a community by terrorism and having to answer for it."

On an official level, government and Islamic groups say they have made great strides since July 7, 2005, when four British Muslims blew themselves up on the London transport system, killing 52 commuters.

In the weeks that followed, several mosques were attacked by arsonists, while others received hate mail. Some women reported having their traditional head scarves pulled off in the street.

Relations between the government and many British Muslims had already been strained by the unpopular wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Many Muslims also feel they were unfairly targeted for suspicion and have born the brunt of the government's tough new anti-terror measures.

The government has made a point of reaching out to Muslim groups and consulting with umbrella organizations like the Muslim Council of Britain, which represents more than 400 affiliated mosques and organizations.

Gordon Brown, who took over as prime minister from Tony Blair on Wednesday, appointed Shahid Malik, an up-and-coming legislator from northern England, as the country's first-ever Muslim government minister.

On Sunday, Brown stressed the need to isolate extremists from the broader Muslim community.

"We have got to separate those great moderate members of our community from a few extremists who wish to practice violence and inflict maximum loss of life in the interests of a perversion of their religion," he said.

On the streets of London, the city's famous stoicism and tradition of tolerance were still in evidence — but tinged with an undercurrent of unease.

"I haven't had one nasty look or one nasty comment," said Abdul Basit, 26, a bearded Muslim man strolling the streets of Whitechapel, an east London area home to large Muslim and working-class white communities.

"It's all about education. As long as people know who we are and what our religion is about and know that we don't condone, it, then it's all right."

But suspicion remained.

"I haven't talked to anyone about the car bombs, but I definitely think the Muslims around there are still connected with the car bombers," said David Delmas, 23. "Even if not directly, and they aren't friends with them, I think they understand why they did it and where they're coming from, and that is a big problem."

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by latazman July 1, 2007 3:08 PM PDT
"We are sick of being defined as a community by terrorism and having to answer for it."

They by your own God do something about it. London has over 50,000 Muslims. And, no one knew this was going to happen! Dear Muslims, clean up your own religion or help others do it. Be a part of the solution.
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by feelfree1 July 1, 2007 3:10 PM PDT
Re: "Name-calling, anxiety, fear and anger rippled through Britain on Sunday after three failed bomb attacks in London and Glasgow."

Mission accomplished!
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by radiob-2009 July 1, 2007 3:40 PM PDT
From the London Times

Cyber-bullies who plague internet chat rooms with obscene and insulting comments will be banned under the first national scheme to strip them of their anonymity.

People going online will be forced to provide their real names and social security numbers under a new law that makes internet portals responsible for policing message boards and weblogs.

The law has been introduced in South Korea, and is certain to be closely monitored by other countries where there is concern over online abuse.

The move, which is decried by some as an overly fierce infringement of online liberties, aims to curb the most damaging excesses of so-called %u201Ckeyboard warriors%u201D %u2013 people who concoct ***-scandals, fraud allegations and other libels that chiefly target figures in the public eye


Welcome to "1984"


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by radiob-2009 July 1, 2007 3:59 PM PDT
Definitions of MUSLIM on the Web:

Adherent of the religion founded by Prophet Mohammed in the year 610.
www.jeansasson.com/glossary_of_terms.htm

The proper name for a follower of the Islamic faith (founded c. 600 AD), known to most medieval people as Saracens.
www.chronique.com/Library/Glossaries/glossary-KCT/gloss_m.htm

(or Moslem) A member of the Islamic faith.
www.reasoned.org/glossary.htm

is a person who practices the Islamic faith.
www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/teach/alqaeda/glossary.html

A believer in the religion of Islam.
www.rgs.edu.sg/cyberfair2k/glossary.html

A Muslim is a follower of the religion of Islam. There are over 1.4 billion Muslims worldwide, divided among three major groups: Sunni, Shici and Khariji. Islam teaches that there is only one God, and that the God of Judaism and Christianity is the same as the God of Islam. The majority of the world's Muslims, including many of those living in the United States, are not Arab.
www.gsanetwork.org/justiceforall/definitions.htm

"one who submits" to God. A follower of Islam.
faculty.juniata.edu/tuten/islamic/glossary.html



So Muslims are not a race, so how can this be racist as the story suggest. How can you distinguish a Muslim from a non Muslim? Looks, John Walker was a Muslim.
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by robertkjjj July 1, 2007 4:25 PM PDT
Latazman, hear hear!!! 3 cheers for common sense, and thank you!!!! The radical Muslim community wants the right to sow terror randomly upon civilians, and at the same time want the right to whine infant-style when people point fingers at Muslims and call them terrorists? No Mr. Muslim, you do not have that right! Either clean up your own religion, or face the consequences of persecution, isolation, arrest, and eventually mass deportations. The day is coming when the UK will not tolerate such vicious nonsense, and will begin to kick the Muslims OUT.

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by toolmangler-2009 July 1, 2007 4:30 PM PDT
Dear Muslims, clean up your own religion or help others do it. Be a part of the solution.
Posted by latazman at 03:08 PM : Jul 01, 2007


My sentiments also. (didn't want to be clichi)
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by toolmangler-2009 July 1, 2007 4:33 PM PDT
clichi = cliche, stupid software changed it.(removed the accent mark)
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by toolmangler-2009 July 1, 2007 4:41 PM PDT
This is to the 'Muslim baiters' If you wouldn't dump a bucket of shlt on your Mothers or girl friends heads then don't do the equivalent to a female Muslim. Leave their headscarves alone. I wouldn't insult "ANY" female like that!!!!
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by lorelei77-2009 July 1, 2007 4:56 PM PDT
"We are sick of being defined as a community by terrorism and having to answer for it."
Many Muslims also feel they were unfairly targeted for suspicion and have born the brunt of the government's tough new anti-terror measures.

Well than perhaps they should be more proactive in speaking out against people who do this. Those who want Sharia law all over the world, who come to countries and expect those countries to bend to their demands shouldn't expect to be treated as citizens. Act as one, be responsible, go after those who are doing this. Seperate yourselves from those who chose to do this evil and I suspect you won't be singled out if you actualy speak out.


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by rheola-2009 July 1, 2007 5:33 PM PDT


The only difference between Islam and Christianity is the timing of their attrocities.

Christianity is even more guilty of similar acts.

Christianity is by and far the largest sinner against it's own tenet, "thou shalt not kill"

All religion is based on superstition, lies, murder and fear.

Let anyone who wishes to deny such, offer the slightest proof of the existance of that mystical, mythological God.

Which God ??????? take your pick, there have been so many, all invented by persons wishing to gain a position of power and wealth.

Just have a look at the excesses of the Popes.

If only the peoples of the world could find a common belief, not involving bigotry lies, hatred and the use of suceptible people by the use of superstition and falsly based fear.

Surely then the world would truly be the United Nations.

Of course we would still have that other evil, GREED !!!!!!!!!
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by peacethinker-2009 July 1, 2007 5:35 PM PDT
To me, it seems the moderate non-violent muslims do not speak out and make it well known that violence is wrong, and will not be tolerated.
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by peacethinker-2009 July 1, 2007 5:41 PM PDT
Religion, it's all a lame, man-made load of BS, it's not needed for anyone to live a kind and ethical life and obviously a lot of idiots do stupid stuff wrapped around it, and that goes for all religions.
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by radiob-2009 July 1, 2007 5:51 PM PDT
Posted by ToolMangler

Tool how is it going today?
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by feelfree1 July 1, 2007 5:54 PM PDT
Re: "British officials intensified the hunt Sunday for what they called an al Qaeda-linked network behind three attempted terrorist attacks"

They can call it 'Qaeda-linked', or 'Easter Bunny-linked', or whatever else, but in the absense of any supporting evidence for these dubious and careless claims, they mean less than nothing.

As others have noted, these comic book attacks are most likely the work of pro-government agents, attempting to prop up failing leaders by breeding as much blind fear, hatred, distrust, and distraction as possible.

The coverage of these events only grows more and more suspect, not less, as time goes by.
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by toolmangler-2009 July 1, 2007 6:03 PM PDT
HiYa' radiob. pant, pant, pant, gasp, pant whew!!!! I just got back from a 2 mile brisk walk with my wife. Not quite as fit as I use to be.
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by radiob-2009 July 1, 2007 6:04 PM PDT
The coverage of these events only grows more and more suspect, not less, as time goes by.
Posted by FeelFree1


Then all of the purported insults against the Muslims and all other acts are a government illusion also.It is all comic books, all imaginary none of it is real. Right??????
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by radiob-2009 July 1, 2007 6:07 PM PDT
Tool
You have to build up to the two mile walks.
If you noticed most of the sites are closed for posting. Must have turned radical. Do they even realize what they are doing?
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by toolmangler-2009 July 1, 2007 6:14 PM PDT
I just told my wife what you said, She told me to forget about any sympathy ploys, that I have been walking 2 miles regularly. must be my poor memroy (grin)

I dont blame them, people refused to use them correctly. Hate filled rhetoric tends to have a negative effect on people.
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by radiob-2009 July 1, 2007 6:20 PM PDT
I dont blame them, people refused to use them correctly. Hate filled rhetoric tends to have a negative effect on people.
Posted by ToolMangler

I do not blame them either but alot of stuff is posted that is still hate filled just more subtley.Perhaps they should ban permanently the ISP addresses of these individuals.I am going to cut my grass catch you later.
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by toolmangler-2009 July 1, 2007 6:24 PM PDT
Don't forget to weed the walkway. (grin)
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by gkc99 July 1, 2007 6:24 PM PDT
One of those poor oppressed British Muslims was interviewed by Ms. Amanapour the other night--he was very upset that he could not impose Shariah on every citizen of the UK immediately, decried democracy because it stood in the way of his imposing his beliefs on all, and generally spat on the beliefs of the country that had given him a home.

With representatives like that, Muslims living in the West seem lucky that worse hasn't happened to them. Despite all the whining and complaining about "discrimination", in fact most British and US Muslims are treated pretty *** well, a lot better than say a Christian preacher would be treated in Saudi ARabia or Pakistan. Didn't a Christian preacher get sentenced to death in SA not long ago for daring to speak of a religion other than the Mohammed religion?
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by toolmangler-2009 July 1, 2007 6:39 PM PDT
What is happening now is a Muslim version of the 'Crusades'. World domination is their quest with everyone being forced to live a lie and say that the want to be Muslim just so they won't be killed.
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by trillion1 July 1, 2007 6:57 PM PDT
As long as the muslims sit quietly by and let terrorists do their 'talking for them what can they expect.
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by robertkjjj July 1, 2007 7:09 PM PDT
ToolMangler and gkc99 aare 100% correct. Thank you, as it seems common sense and people willing to stand up to Jihadists are rarer than hens teeth on this ridiculously liberal and imbecilic forum.
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by robertkjjj July 1, 2007 7:15 PM PDT
Rheola, here is not the place to proselytize your atheism. You know you have to go back a thousand years to find Christians killing Muslims. Why not live in the present day and see what is occurring? Now Muslims are committing over 99% of religion-based murder. How do we fix THAT? How do we prevent THAT? No, instead you go back to the Crusades and give us a Rosie O-type lame-o excuse about Christians killing also. Wake up and see what is happening, before you and your family are the next victims of Islamist murder.
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by rheola-2009 July 1, 2007 7:42 PM PDT

Robertkjjj

I fully realise that Islam is in part the cause of the present day problem.

The point I am making that the real root cause of these and other terrorist attacks is the superstitous stupidity of religion generally. and the fact that all religion has been guilty of such behaviour.

Also I do not regard myself as an Atheist, it is far to easy to categorise a person into such a category to suit ones own feelings.

I feel I am more of a realist.

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by gkc99 July 1, 2007 9:33 PM PDT
I would say my some of my brethern and sistern on the Left make one big mistake. Yes, Bushit and the neocons are a flaming disaster, impeachment is appropriate. Bushit has played right into the hands of the Jihadis.

However, that does not make the Jihadis a preferably alternative. Even George Bush doesn't want to force me under pain of death to put my face in the dirt and pray to an alien god, or make my wife cover her arms, legs and face under pain of a beating by the Mutwa, or require me to grow a beard and face Saudi Arabia and say words in a foreign language that they tell me to, or my entire family will be executed, or deprive me of freedom of religion or speech. I may think he's an idiot and disapprove of his social and tax policies, but he is in the end much less of a threat to my personal beliefs than are the Jihadis.

The USA and the West must act intelligently and carefully in defusing the Muslim threat against us. Bushit and Darth are hardly the people who can muster than kind of intelligence and wisdom. It's not within them.

But following the Imams' orders is not an option. To preserve our freedom, we must resist the Islamic fascists as well as the European and American ones.
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by radiob-2009 July 1, 2007 9:58 PM PDT
Posted by gkc99

What makes you think some of these brethern and sistern are from the left?
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by caldwellptr July 1, 2007 10:06 PM PDT
"We are sick of being defined as a community by terrorism and having to answer for it."

And how has this community become defined by terrorism? And where is their repulsion by the acts being committed in the name of this community?
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by toolmangler-2009 July 1, 2007 10:10 PM PDT
We are fighting two wars, one in the Mid East and one on our very own borders. Bushy is responsible for both, right clean up to his eyeballs. If you don't believe it, go here.


http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/300107Immigration.htm
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by radiob-2009 July 1, 2007 10:23 PM PDT
God evening again Tool.Bush never finished the war he should have in Afghanistan instead he brought us into Iraq.
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by radiob-2009 July 1, 2007 10:27 PM PDT
Tool how long is this movie on Prison Planet?
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by ajmarine1 July 1, 2007 10:44 PM PDT
But following the Imams' orders is not an option. To preserve our freedom, we must resist the Islamic fascists as well as the European and American ones.

Posted by gkc99

Some people would tell you that we need to understand why they hate us and work to resolve whatever it is.

I still say they just want us dead and no matter what we do, it's not going to change that.
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by radiob-2009 July 1, 2007 11:14 PM PDT
From CNN related
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A top special operations officer from Lebanon's Iranian-backed militia Hezbollah has been captured in Iraq, where U.S. officials say he played a key role in a January attack that killed five Americans.

Ali Mussa Daqduq, an explosives expert, was captured in March in the southern Iraqi city of Basra, where he was helping train and lead Shiite militias fighting coalition troops, U.S. intelligence officials told CNN.

Daqduq pretended to be deaf and mute when captured, and his identity was not known for weeks, the officials said
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by gaye5 July 2, 2007 12:10 AM PDT
Glasgow lawmaker Mohammad Sarwar said "I have spoken to a number of people from the Muslim community and the Asian community who feel very angry,"...
I hope it is anger at what Muslims are being taught in many Muslim schools and mosques.. their anger would be well spent if they stopped their clerics and imams from preaching hate against the infidel..
In Britain tourists and locals were warned to not be outside a mosque when Muslim men come out after prayer... Now what would they be being taught that would caused them to be violent towards non muslims after a prayer session...
IF Muslims are really??? trying to get away from the horrors in Iraq, then why are they not trying to get away from the horrors of what they are being taught.. Infidels are to be slaughtered. Even Muslims who dont think as they do are counted as agnostic and thus must also be slaughtered and if we can see what is in the quran why cant they, it is full of slaughter, Mohammad slaughtered, they delighted in slaughtered, they great delight in raiding and slaughtering, they delighted in plundering and slaughtering, they simply delight in slaughtering..so why dont good Muslims want to get away from that...
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by ajmarine1 July 2, 2007 12:33 AM PDT
singinrick,

I agree with you, but some people on these posts say that we have done wrong to the people in the Middle East and we are getting what we deserve.

I like to point out, from time to time, that all the people kill on 9/11 were not just Americans, there were people from around the world killed on that day. How can people say we are getting what we deserve when Osama murdered so many that had nothing to do with our past?
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by gaye5 July 2, 2007 12:52 AM PDT
Of course they should worry about a backlash, we can also read what is in their holy books especially those who know Arabic, or are ex Muslims who have escaped and survived etc, and we can see when things have been change...
Terrorists only do what Mohammad did which is all written in their holy books they and it is their teachings, follow their revered holy man Mohammad and what he says that allah told him..terrorise, slaughter, plunder, destroy etc things like..
Ishaq:576 %u201CAllah and His servant overwhelmed every coward. Allah honored us and made our religion victorious. We were glorified and destroyed them all. Allah humiliated them in the worship of Satan. By what our Apostle recites from the Book and by our swift horses, I liked the punishment the infidels received. Killing them was sweeter than drink. We galloped among them panting for the spoil. With our loud-voiced army, the Apostle%u2019s squadron advanced into the fray.%u201D
Ishaq:588 %u201CWhen the Apostle descends on your land none of your people will be left when he leaves.%u201D
Bukhari:V5B59N512 %u201CThe Prophet had their men killed, their children and woman taken captive.%u201D

Qur%u2019an 8:12 %u201CI shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.%u201D

Qur%u2019an 8:39 %u201CFight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.%u201D

and more to come
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by gaye5 July 2, 2007 12:58 AM PDT
%u201DQur%u2019an 8:67 %u201CIt is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughtered in the land.%u201D
Ishaq:326 %u201CAllah said, %u2018No Prophet before Muhammad took booty from his enemy nor prisoners for ransom.%u2019 Muhammad said, %u2018I was made victorious with terror.
Ishaq:327 %u201CAllah said, %u2018A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.%u2019%u201D
Tabari VIII:116/Ishaq:511 %u201CSo Muhammad began seizing their herds and their property bit by bit. He conquered home by home. The Messenger took some people captive, including Safiyah and her two cousins. The Prophet chose Safiyah for himself.%u201D
Qur%u2019an 33:26 %u201CAllah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.%u201D
Bukhari:V5B59N569 %u201CI fought in seven Ghazwat battles along with the Prophet and fought in nine Maghazi raids in armies dispatched by the Prophet.%u201D

Yep the infidel sure dont have anything to worry about with this wonderful man as an example of how Muslims should live their lives..
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by feelfree1 July 2, 2007 12:58 AM PDT


Re: "On Sunday, Brown stressed the need to isolate extremists from the broader Muslim community."

Yes, a good old-fashioned witch-hunt.

That is what is called for here.

Smoke-em-out...git dem bah-gize!
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by ajmarine1 July 2, 2007 1:07 AM PDT
If the Muslim governments and Muslim religous leaders would denounce these kinds of acts, that would go along way to change the way people look at Muslim people. I think they stay quite because of fear of being killed themselves if they speak out.
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by xzavierbrown July 2, 2007 2:14 AM PDT
Posted by hamiltongrad at 01:42 AM : Jul 02, 2007
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and europe was once ruled by the mighty peace loving fairies where killing was unheard of, wishy washy liberal!! read about the history of europe and middle east AND IT MIGHT DISSAPOINT YOU. Another disappointment for you..its just been less than a century since these eurpeans been ripping each other's arses..and it would continue way after your dead, your children are dead and your children's children are dead.

sucks to be human..huh?

people LIKE YOU, would had been robbed, gutted and hanged by a pole till that flesh falls of your bones for being weak and detached from reality. EASY PREY..
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by gaye5 July 2, 2007 3:06 AM PDT
Yes singinrick, I know a lovely Muslim lass who has had to change her name and is in hiding... here are some more verses..but will we wake up??? And will Muslims do differently today for their belovered leader..
Ishaq:204 %u201C%u2018Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man?%u2019 %u2018Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.%u2019%u201D

Ishaq:280 %u201CThe Apostle prepared for war in pursuance of Allah%u2019s command to fight his enemies and to fight the infidels who Allah commanded him to fight.%u201D

Ishaq:208 %u201CWhen Allah gave permission to his Apostle to fight, the second Aqaba contained conditions involving war which were not in the first act of submission. Now we bound themselves to war against all mankind for Allah and His Apostle. He promised us a reward in Paradise for faithful service. We pledged ourselves to war in complete obedience to Muhammad no matter how evil the circumstances.%u201D

Qur%u2019an 8:7 %u201CAllah wished to confirm the truth by His words: %u2018Wipe the infidels out to the last.%u2019%u201D

Muslim:C53B20N4717 %u201CThe Prophet said: %u2018This religion will continue to exist, and a GROUP of people from the Muslims will continue to fight for its protection until the Hour is established.%u2019%u201D
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by gaye5 July 2, 2007 3:26 AM PDT
AJMarine1 said....
If the Muslim governments and Muslim religous leaders would denounce these kinds of acts.

AJMaeine, They cant denounce these acts as they would have to denounce Islam and Mohammad, I wasnt going to post more of their verses but here are a few more...and there are many more than these..notice that they raided people..

Tabari VI:138 %u201CThose present at the oath of Aqabah had sworn an allegiance to Muhammad. It was a pledge of war against all men. Allah had permitted fighting.%u201D
Qur%u2019an 8:39 %u201CSo, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.%u201D
Qur%u2019an 8:59 %u201CThe infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah%u2019s enemy.%u201D
Bukhari:V5B59N516 %u201CWhen Allah%u2019s Apostle fought or raided people we raised our voices saying, %u2018Allahu-Akbar! Allahu-Akbar! None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.%u2019%u201D

Ishaq:285 %u201CThen the Apostle went raiding in the month of Rabi u%u2019l-Awwal making for the Quraysh. Then he raided the Quraysh by way of Dinar.%u201D

Ishaq:286 %u201CMeanwhile the Apostle sent Sa%u2019d on the raid of Abu Waqqas. The Prophet only stayed a few nights in Medina before raiding Ushayra and then Kurz.%u201D
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by ajmarine1 July 2, 2007 3:52 AM PDT
Gaye5,

Sounds like "Catch 22."
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by gaye5 July 2, 2007 3:55 AM PDT
radiob, it is strange that Mohammad chose Allah to be his only god. Allah was one of 360 gods in the days of his great grandfather who incidentally also started a religious scam, it was just that Mohammad was more successful in sucking people in for his cause, than his great grandfather who also found his religious scam very profitable..
This god 'Allah' (which was spelt a bit differently but pronounced the same), was a god of agriculture, (which Mohammad hates) and of the sword and war (which was more to Mohammad liking). This god allah also had the crescent and a star just like Mohammad's god hmmm...
One can only wonder why Mohammed chose a god of the sword and war eh... They hate us and want us gone and if only even 1% are extremists in the world today, that makes a great army..
From the Washington Times:

Joint Chiefs of Staff planners have produced a 27-page briefing on the war on terror, and says that Islamic extremists may be supported by 1% of Muslims worldwide.
Even support of 1 percent of the Muslim population would equate to over 12 million extreemists, but what if there is 10% or 20%, and from the Muslims reaction to Sep 11th throughtout the world it is thought that it could be as high as 30 to 50%.. or more.
Yep the infidel sure dont have anything to worry about with this wonderful man as an example of how Muslims should live their lives..
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by ajmarine1 July 2, 2007 4:04 AM PDT
Gaye5,

Again, if you listen to some posters, all this is pay back for the wrong we have done to the Middle East; they say we have brought this on ourselves.
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by gaye5 July 2, 2007 4:43 AM PDT
AJMarine1, this is just what some think, but if you know American hisory, we were being attacked well before Iraq,
-Why did bin Laden start his attacks on American targets during President Clinton%u2019s administration, when the peace process between Israel and the Palestinians was in its heyday and Israel had redeployed from ALL Palestinian cities (leaving 98% of the Palestinians to live under PA rule)?

Why did bin Laden himself give so many excuses for his attacks on the U.S. (U.S. presence in Muslim land, westernization, etc.) but never mentioned the Palestinians until AFTER 9/11?

The war we are in didn't begin on Sept. 11, 2001. It began well before. World wide, there have been over 6867 terrorist attacks by Muslims since Sep 11th and most of them are in countries who have not gone to Iraq.. but here are some of the attacks just against America before sep 11th..

1973 1st March, eight Fatah terrorosts, operating under the Black September banner stormed the Saudi Arabian Embassy in Khartoum, Sadan.
The terrorists took a U.S ambassador Cloe Noel, Belgian Charges d'Affairs Guy Eid and two arab diplomats hostage demanding the release of PLO and Baader-Meinhof Gang terrorists, including Robert F.Kennedy's Palestianian assassin sirhan Sirhan and Black September commander
Muhammed Awadh (Adu Daud), from prison in exchange for the hostage's release. The next evening, the Palestinians brutally murdered Noel, Moore, and Eid. They released their other hostages on March 4.
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by gaye5 July 2, 2007 4:50 AM PDT
Should we do this to their embassies in our countries, of course not...
1979 4th Nov. Islamist radicals stormed the US embassy in Tehran and, with the support of the Ayatollah Khomeini, proceeded to hold 52 Americans hostage for the next 15 months. It was also the start of a pattern that would be repeated time and again in the years and administrations that followed.
1979 4th Nov, Islamic students from the U.S Embassy in Terhran, Iran holding 52 Americans hostages for 444 days. All hostages were released unharmed hrs after Ronald Reagan is inaugurated the 40th u.S President.
1993 18th April, A massive car bomb at the U.S Embassy in Beirut murdered 63 people including 17 Americans.
1993, 23rd Oct, A Shiiti suicide bomber blows up the U.S marine barracks in Beirut the attack killed 241 Marines and 48 French paratroopers,
all members of the U.N peace keeping forces.
1983 12th Dec, a Shiite extreemist set off car bombs in front of the US amd French Embassies in Kuwait city killing 5 people and wounding 86.
1984 20th Sep,, a car bomb at the US Embasy annex in East Beirut Lebonon killed 16 and injured the embassador.
1985 12th April, near a US base in Madrid, a bomb exploded in a restaurant popular with Americans, killing 18 Spaniads, and injuring 82, of which 15 were Americans.
1985 14th June, Shiite gunman seized a TWA Flight 847 and forced it to Beirut, Lebanon. Navy diver Robert Stethem is killed at the start of the ordeal and 39 Americans are held hostage for 17 days.
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by gaye5 July 2, 2007 4:56 AM PDT
1985 8th Aug, a large car bomb killed 2 and injured 20 at a US base in Frankfurt, a US soldier was murdered for his identy papers is found a day
after the blast.
1985 7th Oct, Palastinians hijacked the cruse liner Achille Lauro which was sailing in the Mediterranean sea. They shot dead Leon Klinghoffer, an elderly wheelchair bound man from New York and threw him over board..
When
1985 18th Dec, an Arab suicide squad simultaneously attacks US and Isreali check-in decks at the international airports of Rome and Viennia. The attacks claimed the total of 207 lives.
When
1986 2nd April, four Americans are killed when a bomb explodes under a seat on a TWA airline, on route from Rome to Athens.
When
1986 5th April, a West Berlin disco frequented by Americans is bombed. The blast kills 2 US soldiers and an German woman, and injured 150
people, many of the off -duty military personal.
When
1986 5th Sep, Hijackers seized a Pan Am 747 carrying 358 people at Karachi airport. 20 people are killed when security forces storm the plane.
When
1988 21st Dec, on it's way from London to New York a Pan Am Boeing explodes over Lockerbie, scotland killing all 259 people on the plane and 11 on the ground.
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by ajmarine1 July 2, 2007 5:08 AM PDT
Gaye5,

AJMarine1, this is just what some think, but if you know American hisory, we were being attacked well before Iraq,

I know this, but people say we did things just to get oil, our support of Israel, the Shaw (SP) of Iran, and the list goes on.

I think the nations of the Middle East and the rest of the world need to choose up sides and declare World War III and get this c**p over with once and for all; winner take all.
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