Dems Decry Desegregation Ruling In Debate

Presidential Hopefuls Also Focus On Taxes And AIDS In Third Debate

(AP)  An historically diverse field of Democratic presidential candidates — a woman, a black, an Hispanic and five whites — denounced an hours-old Supreme Court desegregation ruling Thursday night and said the nation's slow march to racial unity is far from over.

“We have made enormous progress, but the progress we have made is not good enough,” said Sen. Barack Obama, the son of a man from Kenya and a woman from Kansas.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, the first female candidate with a serious shot at the presidency, challenged those who would suggest otherwise. “There is so much left to be done and for anyone to assert that race is not a problem in America today is to deny the reality in front of our very eyes.”

In their third primary debate, the two leading candidates and their fellow Democrats played to the emotions of a predominantly black audience, fighting for a voting bloc that is crucial in the party's nomination process. They stood united against the Supreme Court and its historic ruling rolling back a half-century of school desegregation laws.

Clinton said the decision “turned the clock back” on history.

Questions about AIDS, criminal justice, education, taxes, outsourcing jobs, poverty and the Bush administration's response to Hurricane Katrina all led to the same point: The racial divide still exists.

Clinton drew a huge cheer when she suggested there was a hint of racism in the way AIDS is addressed in this country. “Let me just put this in perspective: If HIV-AIDS were the leading cause of death of white women between the ages of 25 and 34 there would be an outraged, outcry in this country.”

Delaware Sen. Joe Biden urged people to be tested for the virus, noting that he and Obama had done so. Cracked the Illinois senator: “I just want to make clear I got tested with Michelle,” his wife, Obama said drawing laughter from the predominantly black audience.

While the first two debates focused on their narrow differences on Iraq, moderator Tavis Smiley promised to steer the candidates to other issues that matter to black America, including health care, education, police accountability, housing and voting rights.

The debate was held at Howard University, a historically black college in the nation's capital.

Black voters are a large and critical part of the Democratic primary electorate, making the debate a must-attend for candidates seeking the party's presidential nomination. Civil rights activist Al Sharpton and Princeton University scholar Cornel West were among those in the audience.

A half century of desegregation law — and racial tension — was laid bare for the Democrats hours before they met. In a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court clamped historic new limits on school desegregation plans.

The conservative majority cited the landmark Brown v. Board of Education case to bolster its precedent-shattering decision, an act termed a “cruel irony” by Justice John Paul Stevens in his dissent. The 1954 ruling led to the end of state-sponsored school segregation in the United States.

Obama, the only black candidate in the eight-person field, spoke of civil rights leaders who fought for Brown v. Board of Education and other precedents curbed by the high court. “If it were not for them,” he said, “I would not be standing here.”

Biden noted that he voted against confirmation of Chief Justice John Roberts, who wrote the majority opinion. He said he was tough on Roberts. “The problem is the rest of us were not tough enough,” he said, seeming to take a jab at fellow Democrats. “They have turned the court upside down.”

All the Democratic candidates in the Senate opposed the confirmation of conservative Justice Samuel Alito, another of President Bush's nominees. Clinton, Biden and Obama voted against Roberts; Sen. Chris Dodd voted for his nomination.

The debate was an opportunity for Obama, who got mixed reviews from his first two debate performances, to stand out and share a bond with the audience. He is in a tight contest for the black vote with Clinton, who benefits from goodwill for her husband among blacks.

Segregation was not the only issue. In turn, the candidates discussed their hopes to stem poverty, close the economic gap between the rich and poor, fight AIDS and overhaul a judicial system that doesn't always seem colorblind.

“This issue of poverty is the cause of my life,” said John Edwards, the 2004 vice presidential nominee.

Said Obama: “It starts with birth.”

Obama criticized Bush's No Child Left Behind program. “You can't leave the money behind and that's what's been done,” he said.

Clinton spoke of her efforts in Arkansas to raise school standards, “most especially for minority children.”

Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, the country's only black governor, introduced the candidates with a warning that a dispirited GOP “is not enough to elect a Democratic president nor should it be. We need to offer a more positive and hopeful vision ... to run on what we are for and not just what we are against.”

Shouts of “Obama!” rang out amid the cheers for the eight candidates.

[my2centss]

"Clinton said the decision %u201Cturned the clock back%u201D on history."

When you were in DC, where did Chelsea attend school again?

[my2centss]

Seems like something the politicians would like. With all the money that the schools save from buying extra buses, extra gas for busing, and lawyers from fighting these cases. The schools should have money for books, and extra teachers. More money, without raising taxes.

[processor2]

Great decision by the Supreme Court

Afterall,
It was Martin Luther King,Jr. who said that we should judge someone by the content of their character, and NOT by the color of their skin.

This Supreme Court decision reaffirms that belief.

...

[lars008-2009]

NONE OF US IS FREE UNLESS ALL ARE FREE!!!

WHY IS IT NOT ONE MUSLIM COUNTRY GRANTS EQUAL RIGHTS TO NON MUSLIMS???

FASCIST NAZI ISLAM SAYS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATES ISLAM LAW...

Universal Declaration of Human Rights
http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

For example, in 1981, the Iranian representative to the United Nations, Said Rajaie-Khorassani, articulated the position of his country regarding the Universal Declaration of Human Rights by saying that the UDHR was "a secular understanding of the Judeo-Christian tradition", which could not be implemented by Muslims without trespassing the Islamic law.

http://www.un.org/terrorism/
http://www.un.org/terrorism/strategy-counter-terrorism.html
http://www.un.org/

But the accepted assumption in India is that most of India's Muslims were converted to Islam through the sword. Meaning the Indians were given an option between death or adopting Islam. The third option was getting examined in Islam religion along with heavy taxes- Jeziya (poll tax) and Kharaj (property tax).
http://adaniel.tripod.com/Islam.htm

this is what fascist nazi islam calls peace....

are you ready to live under islam rule as a non muslim???

apartheid fascist nazi islamic style

Rights of Non-Muslims in an Islamic State
http://www.sullivan-county.com/id3/islamic_state.htm

[lars008-2009]

there is no peace with fascist nazi islam%u2026.. there never has been in it%u2019s 1400 year existence%u2026

dnc are like john adams and want to give the jihadist their lunch money hoping they will leave us alone....

gop are like thomas jefferson and want to spend their lunch money on weapons and go kick the jihadists in their arses.....

What Thomas Jefferson learned from the Muslim book of jihad

Thomas Jefferson knew about fascist nazi islam..... he killed plenty of them....

In 1786 Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman or (Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). They asked him by what right he extorted money and took slaves. Jefferson reported to Secretary of State John Jay, and to the Congress:

The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet (Mohammed), that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to heaven.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan07/jeff_quran.htm
muslim justifies slavery and piracy%u2026
http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?6bdec278-6a71-4436-bc4d-29d1c54b0ad7

[randalds]

However, in our governemnt's effort to eliminate "segregation" all that has manged to be accomplished is the creation of a huge victim class.
Posted by gondor59 at 01:17 AM : Jun 29, 2007

And I disagree completely. You were in the USAF? So was I and we took classes in race relations, which I believe helped for those that needed them and in the early 70's many people did. That's a government program that works. Desegregation HAS worked. Yes there have been many problems, but they nothing like the problems with racism we'd be dealing with without desegregation.

Sorry I didn't answer last night. The wife was a calling.

[lars008-2009]

IT IS TIME TO DEFEAT FASCIST NAZI ISLAM ONCE AND FOR ALL%u2026

In 1786, Thomas Jefferson, then U.S. ambassador to France, and John Adams, then American Ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the Dey%u2019s ambassador to Britain, in an attempt to negotiate a peace treaty based on Congress%u2019 vote of funding. To Congress, these two future presidents later reported the reasons for the Muslims%u2019 hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.

%u2026that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.

Sound familiar?

Thomas Jefferson and James Madison defeated the fascist nazi muslims 200 years ago
And again 100 years ago with Theodore Roosevelt
Tunisia in 1881 by France and Libya in 1911 by Italy. By then most of the Islamic world was under Christian domination. With the Ottoman Empire defeated in WW1, secularist Turkish rebels in 1923 overthrew the last Islamic Caliphate,
http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?6bdec278-6a71-4436-bc4d-29d1c54b0ad7

[lars008-2009]

fascist nazi islam has stayed the course for 1400 years....

the religion of peace... hahahahaha

the war Muhammad ali baba started rages on 1400 years later...
623 - Battle of Waddan
623 - Battle of Safwan
623 - Battle of Dul-'Ashir
624 - Muhammad and converts begin raids on caravans to fund the movement.
624 - Zakat becomes mandatory
624 - Battle of Badr
624 - Battle of Bani Salim
624 - Battle of Eid-ul-Fitr and Zakat-ul-Fitr
624 - Battle of Bani Qainuqa'
624 - Battle of Sawiq
624 - Battle of Ghatfan
624 - Battle of Bahran
625 - Battle of Uhud. 70 Muslims are killed.
625 - Battle of Humra-ul-Asad
625 - Battle of Banu Nudair
625 - Battle of Dhatur-Riqa
626 - Battle of Badru-Ukhra
626 - Battle of Dumatul-Jandal
626 - Battle of Banu Mustalaq Nikah
627 - Battle of the Trench
627 - Battle of Ahzab
627 - Battle of Bani Quraiza
627 - Battle of Bani Lahyan
627 - Battle of Ghaiba
627 - Battle of Khaibar
628 - Muhammad signs treaty with Quraish.
630 - Muhammad conquers Mecca.
630 - Battle of Hunsin.
630 - Battle of Tabuk
632 - Muhammad dies.
http://www.carm.org/islam/islam_chrono
logy.htm

[lars008-2009]

FASCIST NAZI ISLAM TO ENSLAVE NON MUSLIM WORLD

HAMAS MICKEY MOUSE SAYS
Islamic rule will benefit Christians and Jews
by Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook - May 14, 2007
The force behind Hamas TV%u2019s controversial Mickey Mouse clone said today that his children%u2019s television program will continue to promote worldwide Islamic supremacy, for everyone's benefit, including Christians and Jews.
In a long interview on Hamas TV, Hazim Al-Sha%u2019arawi, Deputy Director of Al-Aqsa TV and one of the creators of the Hamas children%u2019s TV show Tomorrow%u2019s Pioneers, said that using the program to promote Islamic rule over other religions is actually promoting %u201Cjustice, goodness and world love.%u201D
Al-Aqsa TV and the Palestinian Authority have been under fire since PMW reported last week that Tomorrow%u2019s Pioneers was using a character named Farfur, a knockoff of Disney%u2019s Mickey Mouse character, to convey messages about Islamic supremacy as well as hatred of Jews, Israel and the U.S. Despite public statements by PA Minister of Information Mustafa Barghouti that the show would be taken off the air until it could be reviewed and revised, a new episode of the program %u2013 featuring Al-Sha%u2019arawi as one of the hosts %u2013 ran Friday.
http://pmw.org.il/bulletins_may2007.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S995NCeaUg

[infidel_us]

AaaBee,

Which form of "white guilt" do you suffer from?
Teh SC's decision was entirely justified and WAY overdue.

All these dems pandering to their black constituency is just for political gain. Do you really think Hillary gives a ***???? "Iz no ways tired.........Is comes too farrrrrrrrr!"

PAHLEEEZE!!!!!!!!

[lars008-2009]

what do you call an organization that:

kills you if you don't join it...

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=82201&ln=eng&txt=islam%20law%20kill%20kaafir

kills you if you leave it...

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=696&ln=eng&txt=kaafir%20kill

kills you if you don't do what they tell you to do..

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=6035&ln=eng&txt=kaafir%20kill

kills you if you speak against it%u2026.

http://islamqa.com/index.php?QR=22809&ln=eng

kills anybody that is not a member of it...

http://www.hauns.com/~DCQu4E5g/koran5.html

still practices slavery

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=12562&ln=eng&txt=slavery

still practices pagan rituals...

http://answering-islam.org/Silas/pagansources.htm

allows the r a p e of babies and animals...

http://www.homa.org/default.asp?TOCID=2083225445

a. satanic cult???
b. islam???
c. all the above???

Our Prophet commanded us to fight the kaafirs when we are able and to attack them in their homelands and to give them three choices before we enter their lands: either they become Muslim and be like us, sharing our rights and duties; or they pay the jizyah (poll tax) and feel themselves subdued; or they fight, in which case their wealth, women, children and homes become permissible as booty for the Muslims.
http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=13759&ln=eng&txt=before%20islam%20arabia%20pagan

[aaabee-2009]

if they believe a majority does not want racial diversity to begin with, and that we need big government to override this hypothetical "majority of bigots".
Posted by Dan9111 at 12:01 PM : Jun 29, 2007

Dan, Your fellow posters do not lend to making your point for you, shall I quote a few?

"Blacks are already WAY over represented everywhere and in everything." Posted by infidel_us at 11:51 AM : Jun 29, 2007

%u201CIts the White Race thats being
Discriminated Against." Posted by swfb at 11:09 AM : Jun 29, 2007

The forced racial mix, in my opinion, contributed to the rise of private schools and the downfall of the public school system. %u201C Posted by panhandlpete at 08:43 AM : Jun 29, 2007

"Want an african country? Vote Osama." Posted by Pockoleotis at 11:38 PM : Jun 28, 2007

[lars008-2009]

NOW CAN WE KILL THEM???
If they can kill us, we can kill them

Qaeda warns of attacks 'worse than 9/11'
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070530102648.wuwa6k96&show_article=1

Hizbullah Deputy Sec-Gen Sheikh Naim Qassem: We Have Jurisprudent Permission to Carry Out 'Martyrdom' Operations, Fire Missiles on Israeli Civilians From Ayatollah Khomeini
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD154907

Switching Sides: Inside The Enemy Camp

But then in 2000, well before his arrest, something happened which would make Abas question everything he believed in: a fatwa, a religious edict, was issued by Osama bin Laden.

"It should be understood that killing Americans and Jews anywhere found are the highest act of worship and the highest form of good deeds in the eyes of Allah," Simon quotes bin Laden.

Abas and his fellow commanders were ordered to read the fatwa to their men and make sure they carried it out. The others obeyed, but Abas refused. It was his moment of truth. He firmly believed that jihad was to be fought only on the battlefield in defense of Islam; he had always been taught that the killing of civilians had nothing to do with holy war and that it was forbidden.

The fatwa justified killing non-Muslim civilians everywhere.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/04/60minutes/main2761108.shtml?source=RSSattr=60Minutes_2761108
American Al Qaeda Member Threatens Attack
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/29/terror/main2865282.shtml

[dan9111]

There are many paths to diversity, including the free market. If we all value racial equality, the last thing we need is a bureaucracy to get in the way. Any remaining racism exists mostly where affirmative action and handouts have failed, and where other pathways have not been given the opportunity, such as job markets and entrepreneurial opportunities for minorities.

The only way liberals could possibly fear this court decision is if they believe a majority does not want racial diversity to begin with, and that we need big government to override this hypothetical "majority of bigots". But no liberal is admitting to this, because they know it is a wrong assumption.

[infidel_us]

"We have made enormous progress, but the progress we have made is not good enough" - Obama

Allow me to translate. Blacks make up about 16% of the US population. But they will never be satisfied until they control 100% of every aspect of American life.

Blacks are already WAY over represented everywhere and in everything. They have every unfair advantage because of the white guilt felt by liberal politicians over something they/we had nothing to do with.

Get the "fiddy cent" out of your ears, stay in school, and maybe you'll get somewhere in life.

[ianlou]

Great decision by the Supreme Court
Afterall,
It was Martin Luther King,Jr. who said that we should judge someone by the content of their character, and NOT by the color of their skin.
This Supreme Court decision reaffirms that belief.
Posted by processor2 at 11:19 AM : Jun 29, 2007

Fact remains that plants grow better in a garden than in the cracks of a driveway.

And you get what you grow.

[processor2]

Great decision by the Supreme Court

Afterall,
It was Martin Luther King,Jr. who said that we should judge someone by the content of their character, and NOT by the color of their skin.

This Supreme Court decision reaffirms that belief.

...

[mudrose-2009]

Poor SP's couldn't get their anmesty bill foisted on the people so now they need to stir the racial pot. Well they do need a neutral base. Who else would they have -- MoveOn.Org and the left-wing numbnuts that are so extreme the seriously looked like druggies eveytime you seem them in the public square mouthing off on some socialist agenda of theirs.

[swfb]

AaaBee wrote:

Given the mindsets of the posters here, it is very evident that equality has a long way to go. 2007 and still people are broken down into groups, not by what they accomplish or the good they do, but by their skin color or which side of some stupid aisle they stand on

Every tried to google National Black
or National White and see what you get

Here's What you get.

(Doesn't Exist)
Would be
Politically Correct Racist

Natl' Black MBA Assoc Nat'l Whtie MBA Assoc
Nat'l Black Chamber of Nat'l White Chamber of
Commerce Commerce
Nat'l Black Nurses Nat'l White Nureses
Association Association
Nat'l Black Police Nat'l White Police
Association Association
NAACP C meacs colored NAAWP W means White
Nat'l Black Congreee Nat'l White Congress

The List is endless. Wake up America.
Its the White Race thats being
Discriminated Against. But we
can't sue for it

[brianbwb-2009]

" Don't judge me on the color of my skin but instead by the content of my character".

Funny how that phrase is used now by the neocons to justify re segregation.

The problem neocons, is that we are still judged by the color of our skin, studies too numerous to quote here will confirm this.

It will never change. Politicians exacerbate racial division as a distraction from their corruption, barely educated white rednecks like David Duke and Pat Robertson use it to sublimate their s*e*xual desires, and solicit donations from believing suckers to further the cause of "white supremacy", making a very good living confirming unfounded fears, and Black preachers make a living talking about it, but doing little. It adds up to one word, corruption.

James Baldwin said, "They may not know, as they put it, what I want, but they do know they would not like to be black here, if they know that, they know everything they need to know, and whatever else they say is a lie".