Senate Revives Immigration Bill

Key Senators Reach Agreement After President Bush Offers $4.4B For Border Security

(CBS/AP)  Key senators tentatively agreed on a plan to revive a stalled immigration bill on Thursday, aided by President Bush's support for a quick $4.4 billion aimed at "securing our borders and enforcing our laws at the work site."

After a series of meetings, the negotiator for the Democrats, Sen. Ted Kennedy, and the negotiator for the Republicans, Sen. John Kyl, said they would present their plan to their parties' leaders, Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., reports CBS News correspondent Sharyl Attkisson.

Reid and McConnell released a statement Thursday night saying the bill will go back to the Seante floor.

"We met this evening with several of the Senators involved in the immigration bill negotiations," it read. "Based on that discussion, the immigration bill will return to the Senate floor after completion of the energy bill."

In general, according to officials familiar with the discussions, Republicans and Democrats would each be accorded roughly a dozen chances to amend the measure, with the hope that they would then combine to provide the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster by die-hard opponents. The officials who described the emerging plan did so on condition of anonymity, saying the negotiations had been conducted in private.

The legislation has generated intense controversy, particularly for provisions envisioning eventual citizenship for many of the estimated 12 million immigrants now in the country unlawfully. The bill also calls for greater border security and a crackdown on the hiring of illegal employees.

"We're going to show the American people that the promises in this bill will be kept," Mr. Bush said, two days after launching a personal rescue mission.

Any agreement is subject to approval by Reid, who has said repeatedly it is up to Mr. Bush and Republicans to line up the votes needed to advance the measure if it is to be brought back to the Senate for debate. Reid, who has expressed misgivings about elements of the bill, sidetracked it last week after supporters gained only 45 of the 60 votes needed.

Republicans accounted for only seven of the 45 votes, and Reid said earlier this week, "We'll move on to immigration when they have their own act together."

President Bush's decision to personally announce support for the accelerated funding reflected concerns expressed by Republican senators at a closed-door meeting on Tuesday. Several told him their constituents doubted the government was capable of following through on a commitment to enforce immigration laws.

In a letter sent to Mr. Bush before the meeting, Georgia Republican Sens. Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson wrote, "This lack of trust is rooted in the mistakes made in 1986, and the continued chaos surrounding our immigration laws. Understandably, the lack of credibility the federal government has on this issue gives merit to the skepticism of many about future immigration reform."

Under the legislation as drafted, money for border enforcement would be collected gradually as illegal immigrants pay the fines and fees needed to achieve legal status. The letter asked Mr. Bush to secure the border before other elements of the immigration measure go into effect, and the president agreed in his remarks to the Associated Builders and Contractors.

"One common concern is whether the government will provide the resources to meet the goals in the bill. They say, 'It's fine to talk about it, are you actually going to do something?'" he said.

"To answer these concerns I support an amendment that will provide $4.4 billion in immediate additional funding for securing our borders and enforcing our laws at the work site," he said.

"By matching our benchmarks with these critical funds, we're going to show the American people that the promises in this bill will be kept."

Two Republican supporters of the legislation, Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Kyl of Arizona, had previously proposed advanced funding.

"The moment the presidential signing pen meets the paper these funds will be available," Graham said in a statement welcoming Mr. Bush's remarks.

But Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., an opponent of the legislation, took a different view. "I appreciate the effort to fund border security, but there's simply no reason why we should be forced to tie amnesty to it. If the administration was serious about fulfilling the border security promises, then this funding should have been supported all along, not offered at the last minute to attract votes to a bad bill."

Even a decision to return the bill to the Senate floor does not guarantee its passage, given the intense opposition. "We've got people out there on both sides really ready to burn the place down," said Sen. Trent Lott of Mississippi, the second-ranking Republican. "I don't think we ought to let that happen."

The calendar, too, presents obstacles to any attempt to pass the measure before the Senate begins a scheduled vacation in two weeks. Should they choose, critics of the immigration measure could slow progress on other measures Reid wants debated in the next two weeks. The effect would be to further reduce prospects for passage of the immigration bill.

[nottellin1]

Gee I guess your just stupid, Nazi!!
Posted by bm6005 at 08:11 PM : Jun 17, 2007

I know it's head but try not to stoop to their level. The way I see it, rational people should be able to debate and disagree without resorting rudeness and name calling simply because this is an anonymous forum.

[menofoz]

Just about anyone that goes to a board and starts to read the comments who find themselves bombarded by the same person posting over and over with no dialect occuring (usually copying and pasting) will not read the comments of said poster making such post they appear to be more cynosure than interested in actual discussion.
Posted by radiob

Candiate Drew Shelt the people choice will speak to you in Dogpile soon.Important announcement on Drew stand on the use of the English language.
Posted by radiob


Ozzy
No sarcasm intended.

El cheque de Ozzy fuera del caracter dibujs Shelt que he creado como la gente politicians.Work con el caracter como herramienta para utilizar.

Posted by radiob

Billy Bob Smith


B A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A H H H H H
equals Hitler is calling.

Posted by radiob


(The Topic)

Senate Revives Immigration Bill
Key Senators Reach Agreement After President Bush Offers $4.4B For Border Security

I hope most of the people reading these comments, at least will appreciate
some of the diatribes, stats, cut/paste and recurring post over your personal sniping.

[menofoz]

Consider these relevent facts:

%u2022 Mexico has the second-highest highest Gross Domestic Product in Latin America, after being #1 for several years over second-place Brazil.

%u2022 When measured in GDP per capita, Mexico ranks #1 as of 2005, ahead of Chile and Venezuela.

%u2022 According to Forbes magazine, a substantial proportion of Latin American billionaires, 10 out of 26, were Mexican as of 2005.

%u2022 Mexico raises less revenue through taxation than nearly any other Latin American country, just 12 percent which is one reason why the nation's wealth is not better utilized. By comparison, the United States takes in 25-28 percent of its gross domestic profit in taxes. Even Brazil taxes itself at twice the Mexican rate.

Maybe more Republicans should move to Mexico
since.

Mexico raises less revenue through taxation than nearly any other Latin American country, just 12 percent which is one reason why the nation's wealth is not better utilized. By comparison, the United States takes in 25-28 percent of its gross domestic profit in taxes.

[menofoz]

Population 103.4 million (July 2002 est.)
Capital Mexico City
People European origin, 9%, Indian origin 30%, Mixed origin (Mestizos) 60%. The Indian groups retain some of their traditional culture and beliefs. such as the Day of the Dead.
Poverty & standard of living The bottom 40% of the population share only 11% of the wealth and are considered to live below the Mexican poverty line. Many families live in total poverty and children are compelled to work on the streets in order to supplement the family income.

Certainly there are many poor people in Mexico, since perhaps half the country lives in poverty. However, the nation as a whole is quite rich %u2014 see the documented facts listed below %u2014 and could well finance the sort of improvements in education and infrastructure that would better the living standards of all Mexicans. But the Mexican ultra-rich, like telecommunications magnate Carlos Slim shown here, don't like to tax themselves for investment the country badly needs for infrastructure and education, and it helps them greatly that the American taxpayer has been forced to support Mexicans living in the United States.

[menofoz]

HALF TRUTH: Hispanic immigrants are family oriented and very religious catholics.

TRUTH: The vast majority of illegal entries from across our southern border are unsophisticated, poor, and uneducated, who do not necessarily hold to strong family values or the Catholic faith. This is evident by U.S. statistics showing that while unwed teenage pregnancy in the U.S. is decreasing as a whole, Latina unwed teenage pregnancy is on the rise. The illegal immigrants of today are not all the honest, hard working, American dream seekers. This is evident by record numbers of dead-beat dads who walk away from their responsibilities to their children by leaving their homeland and simply crossing the border.

[menofoz]

HALF TRUTH: Hispanic immigrants are family oriented and very religious catholics.

TRUTH: The vast majority of illegal entries from across our southern border are unsophisticated, poor, and uneducated, who do not necessarily hold to strong family values or the Catholic faith. This is evident by U.S. statistics showing that while unwed teenage pregnancy in the U.S. is decreasing as a whole, Latina unwed teenage pregnancy is on the rise. The illegal immigrants of today are not all the honest, hard working, American dream seekers. This is evident by record numbers of dead-beat dads who walk away from their responsibilities to their children by leaving their homeland and simply crossing the border.

[menofoz]

HALF TRUTH: Hispanic immigrants are family oriented and very religious catholics.

TRUTH: The vast majority of illegal entries from across our southern border are unsophisticated, poor, and uneducated, who do not necessarily hold to strong family values or the Catholic faith. This is evident by U.S. statistics showing that while unwed teenage pregnancy in the U.S. is decreasing as a whole, Latina unwed teenage pregnancy is on the rise. The illegal immigrants of today are not all the honest, hard working, American dream seekers. This is evident by record numbers of dead-beat dads who walk away from their responsibilities to their children by leaving their homeland and simply crossing the border.

[menofoz]

HALF TRUTH: Hispanic immigrants are family oriented and very religious catholics.

TRUTH: The vast majority of illegal entries from across our southern border are unsophisticated, poor, and uneducated, who do not necessarily hold to strong family values or the Catholic faith. This is evident by U.S. statistics showing that while unwed teenage pregnancy in the U.S. is decreasing as a whole, Latina unwed teenage pregnancy is on the rise. The illegal immigrants of today are not all the honest, hard working, American dream seekers. This is evident by record numbers of dead-beat dads who walk away from their responsibilities to their children by leaving their homeland and simply crossing the border.

[menofoz]

MYTH: Employers are solely responsible for illegal immigration because they attract illegals by providing low paying jobs.

TRUTH: Illegals are directly responsible for their illegal presence. Blaming the entire problem on employers for illegal immigration is like blaming a women for her own rape because she dressed to *** and the rapist couldn't resist her.

[menofoz]

Many illegal aliens in the United States have been arrested and incarcerated in federal and state prisons and local jails, adding to already overcrowded prisons and jails. The US Justice Department issued a report on criminal aliens who are incarcerated in federal and state prisons and local jails.

The report contained information on the number of criminal aliens incarcerated, their country of citizenship or country of birth, and the cost to incarcerate them. Congress also requested that the Government Accounting Office provide information on the criminal history of aliens incarcerated in federal and state prisons or local jails who had entered the country illegally.

In the population study of a sample of 55,322 illegal aliens, researchers found that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after 1990.

[menofoz]

11) Is there a crime problem related to illegal immigrants? Absolutely, and in areas where illegals congregate heavily, crimewaves tend to follow. For example, illegals are responsible for much of the serious crime in Los Angeles. Here's Heather Mac Donald on that topic from back in mid-2004:


In Los Angeles, 95% of all outstanding warrants for homicide target illegal aliens, and over 60% of all outstanding felony warrants. Illegal aliens, and immigrants generally, are a major, and unacknowledged, driver of gang crime.

[bm6005]

Oh. You're unemployed and that's why you're here all day spreading hatred. But didn't I read that you are retired? Gee, I guess that is unemployment too.
Posted by rudy654

Sorry I was gone enjoying the Rockies, a good cigar and some Brandy. Then I said, I know why not get on the computer and check on my buddy rudy654 the amnesty Nazi. Sure enough when I checked her's my buddy spreading his bushit with the rest of the fools. Gee I guess your just stupid, Nazi!!

[menofoz]

L.A. Emergency Rooms Full of Illegal Immigrants
Friday, March 18, 2005

E-MAIL STORY RESPOND TO EDITOR PRINTER FRIENDLY VERSION
LOS ANGELES %u2014 This is part three of a five-part series looking at how illegal immigration affects U.S. border security, the criminal, health care and education systems, as well as the economy. Watch the series this week on FOX News Channel.

Overburdened by the uninsured and overwhelmed by illegal immigration (search), public health care in Los Angeles is on life support.

Sixty percent of the county's uninsured patients are not U.S. citizens. More than half are here illegally. About 2 million undocumented aliens in Los Angeles County alone are crowding emergency rooms because they can't afford to see a doctor.

According to the State Association of Hospitals (search), California's public health system is "on the brink of collapse." In Los Angeles County, patients can wait four days for a hospital bed and up to two years for gallbladder surgery.

[bm6005]

Again I state the same report it, check out the DOT site and you will find the laws are there, they are the primary group of enforcement followed by OSHA followed by state laws.
Posted by radiob

This is not an issue of "law on the books". The law "on the books" in colorado says all drivers must have insurance. The illegals belive that's only applicable to us Anglos! There was a "law" passed in 1986 that should cover this issue but all of our prez'a have ignored it. I bet you argue how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. I don't care, just follow the laws and enforce them.

[barbjc1]

I believe anyone that comes to this country should do it legally, not matter what country it is. However, based on reading what is public knowledge about this immigration bill, it is nothing but political pandering by George Bush. He is counting on this bill passing and guess who the "new citizens" will remember giving them amnesty, even if it is not being called amnesty. The Republicans! There is a major national election next year and currently is looks like there is going to be even more of the good old boys out the door. I personally think the best thing all of us voters could do is unseat every current politician in office in Washington and start all over. However, the two prerequisites would have to be can't be a millionaire and definitely not an attorney.

[tbweb]

I know a lot of people from every culture, I swear I like all cultures, I don't have a racist bone in my body, and we all talk about this immigration legislation and not one, not a single person likes it or supports it! So when they say Americans support this legislation, all we can do is wonder who in the hell are they talking about? Where are these supporters, we can't find any and we all can't wait to VOTE!!

[omega39-2009]

Posted by bellaL at

from the BLS

The number of persons who worked part time for economic reasons, at 4.5
million, was little changed in May but was up by 332,000 over the year. This
category includes persons who indicated that they would like to work full time
but were working part time because their hours had been cut back or because they
were unable to find full-time jobs. (See table A-5.)

Persons Not in the Labor Force (Household Survey Data)

In May, 1.4 million persons (not seasonally adjusted) were marginally attached
to the labor force, about the same as a year earlier. These individuals wanted and
were available to work and had looked for a job sometime during the prior 12 months.
They were not counted as unemployed because they had not searched for work in the
4 weeks preceding the survey. Among the marginally attached, there were 368,000
discouraged workers in May, about the same as a year earlier. Discouraged workers
were not currently looking for work specifically because they believed no jobs were
available for them. The remaining 1.0 million persons marginally attached to the
labor force in May had not searched for work in the 4 weeks preceding the survey for
reasons such as school attendance and family responsibilities. (See table A-13.)

[bellal-2009]

No, even if this bill passes the CBO says it will reduce illegal immigration only 25%, the only real winners will be business that will now be able to bring in up to 1.8 million guest workers a year.
Posted by omega39 at 11:53 AM : Jun 16, 2007

Any Senator that supports this needs to be impeached. No question. I would have never believed our govt. would do this to us.

[radiob-2009]

Ozzy I would have thought that you would have understood the message. Drew Shelt is a fictional creation designed to show that candiates are created no self made.

[omega39-2009]

Their is enough money for everybody. If you can't do the job, let the next guy do it. Get more skills so you wont have to compete with these unskilled workers for their jobs. Pass this bill to fix the problem. St
Posted by penskeone at 12:48 PM :

First of all it is "there" not "their", second of all, if there was enough money for everyone the cheap labor azzholes wouldn't be trying to import slave labor.