What We Owe Illegal Immigrants

The Nation: Aliens Are Often Exploited And Undercompensated For Work

(The Nation)  This column was written by Barbara Ehrenreich.

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Rush Limbaugh has been expecting liberals to start "whining" about the $5,000 fine undocumented immigrants will have to pay to gain citizenship under the new immigration bill. But most liberals have been too busy chortling about the immigration-induced split in the GOP to make their own case against the bill. So let a mighty whine rise over the land: Undocumented workers shouldn't be fined; they should get a hefty bonus!

All right, they committed a "crime" — the international equivalent of breaking and entry. But breaking and entry is usually a prelude to a much worse crime, like robbery or rape. What have the immigrants been doing once they get into the U.S.? Taking up time on the elliptical trainers in our health clubs? Getting ahead of us on the wait-lists for elite private nursery schools?

In case you don't know what immigrants do in this country, the Latinos have a word for it — trabajo. They've been mowing the lawns, cleaning the offices, hammering the nails and picking the tomatoes, not to mention all that dish-washing, diaper-changing, meat-packing and poultry-plucking.

The punitive rage directed at illegal immigrants grows out of a larger blindness to the manual labor that makes our lives possible: The touching belief, in the class occupied by Rush Limbaugh among many others, that offices clean themselves at night and salad greens spring straight from the soil onto one's plate.

Native-born workers share in this invisibility, but it's far worse in the case of immigrant workers, who are often, for all practical purposes, nameless. In the recent book "There's No José Here: Following the Lives of Mexican Immigrants," Gabriel Thompson cites a construction company manager who says things like, "I've got to get myself a couple of Josés for this job if we're going to have that roof patched up by Saturday." Forget the Juans, Diegos, and Eduardos — they're all interchangeable "Josés."

Hence no doubt the ease with which some prominent immigrant-bashers forget their own personal reliance on immigrant labor, like Nevada's Governor Jim Gibbons, who, it turns out, once employed an undocumented nanny. And as the Boston Globe revealed late last year, Mitt Romney's lawn in suburban Boston was maintained by illegal immigrants from Guatemala.

The only question is how much we owe our undocumented immigrant workers. First, those who do not remain to enjoy the benefits of old age in America will have to be reimbursed for their contributions to Medicare and Social Security, and here I quote the Web site of the San Diego ACLU:

Undocumented immigrants annually pay an estimated $7 billion more than they take out into Social Security, and $1.5 billion more into Medicare.... A study by the National Academy of Sciences also found that tax payments generated by immigrants outweighed any costs associated with services used by immigrants.

Second, someone is going to have to calculate what is owed to "illegals" for wages withheld by unscrupulous employers: The homeowner who tells his or her domestic worker that the wage is actually several hundred dollars a month less than she had been promised, and that the homeowner will be "holding" it for her. Or the landscaping service that stiffs its undocumented workers for their labor. Who's the "illegal" here?

Third, there's the massive compensation owed to undocumented immigrants for preventable injuries on the job. In her book 'Suburban Sweatshops: The Fight for Immigrant Rights," Jennifer Gordon reports such gruesome cases as a Honduran who died from inhaling paint while sanding yachts in Long Island and a Guatemalan worker whose boss intentionally burned him with hot pans of oil for not washing dishes fast enough. "Death rates for Latino workers," Gordon reports, "have risen over the past decade even as workplace fatality rates for non-Latinos have fallen."

When our debt to America's undocumented workers is eventually tallied, I'm confident that it will be well in excess of the $5,000 fine the immigration bill proposes. There is still the issue of the original "crime." If someone breaks into my property for the purpose of trashing and looting, I would be hell-bent on restitution. But if they break in for the purpose of cleaning it — scrubbing the bathroom, mowing the lawn — then, in my way of thinking anyway, the debt goes in the other direction.

[wtasha]

There are lots of hard working people.Illegal and not.Has anyone actually set down and listened to a story of what it takes to get to America. Most choose to risk their lives just to have an opportunity at a decent life. We Americans take things for granite that immigrants don't. They are happy to work, and no matter what we pay it's more than what they make in their country. They do deserve more credit, in my opinion. Some are good hard working people. They just want what we want , to better ourselves and lives of our families. Cut them some slack!!

[xzavierbrown]

Undocumented immigrants annually pay an estimated $7 billion more than they take out into Social Security, and $1.5 billion more into Medicare....

*****would somebody ask the ACLU how in gods green earth did they get social security and medicare documentation IF THEY ARE UNDOCUMENTED??


someone is breaking the law....both legal and illegal aliens..***!!

[nottellin1]

Yeah, we owe them so much we'll allow them all to go hoe.

[kaiyo4u]

I can see your point Barbara, but they are taking away jobs that high school and college students would be doing. If Americans were teaching their children a work ethic. In the construction field, guess what, they are taking away jobs from those who are honest tax payers... The reason they are hired... because they will work cheaper than their our American brethren and your right often without any benefits.
The whole issue is the bottom dollar when it comes to hiring illegals.
I've done work for nurseries (tree growing type) as a contractor and have heard how they pay into the system... By filing for all the exemptions on their W-2's or filing exempt... Just how much do they pay into the system? Not as much as they are taking away from the system.

[kaiyo4u]

I can see your point Barbara, but they are taking away jobs that high school and college students would be doing. If Americans were teaching their children a work ethic. In the construction field, guess what, they are taking away jobs from those who are honest tax payers... The reason they are hired... because they will work cheaper than their our American brethren and your right often without any benefits.
The whole issue is the bottom dollar when it comes to hiring illegals.
I've done work for nurseries (tree growing type) as a contractor and have heard how they pay into the system... By filing for all the exemptions on their W-2's or filing exempt... Just how much do they pay into the system? Not as much as they are taking away from the system.

[kaiyo4u]

I can see your point Barbara, but they are taking away jobs that high school and college students would be doing. If Americans were teaching their children a work ethic. In the construction field, guess what, they are taking away jobs from those who are honest tax payers... The reason they are hired... because they will work cheaper than their our American brethren and your right often without any benefits.
The whole issue is the bottom dollar when it comes to hiring illegals.
I've done work for nurseries (tree growing type) as a contractor and have heard how they pay into the system... By filing for all the exemptions on their W-2's or filing exempt... Just how much do they pay into the system? Not as much as they are taking away from the system.

[knyghtwolf]

Guess everyone is tired of fighting and arguing about this and have this fallicay that our government will take some sort of action and get this problem solved. Well great decider, we're waiting.......

[kaiyo4u]

I can see your point Barbara, but they are taking away jobs that high school and college students would be doing. If Americans were teaching their children a work ethic. In the construction field, guess what, they are taking away jobs from those who are honest tax payers... The reason they are hired... because they will work cheaper than their our American brethren and your right often without any benefits.
The whole issue is the bottom dollar when it comes to hiring illegals.
I've done work for nurseries (tree growing type) as a contractor and have heard how they pay into the system... By filing for all the exemptions on their W-2's or filing exempt... Just how much do they pay into the system? Not as much as they are taking away from the system.

[kaiyo4u]

I can see your point Barbara, but they are taking away jobs that high school and college students would be doing. If Americans were teaching their children a work ethic. In the construction field, guess what, they are taking away jobs from those who are honest tax payers... The reason they are hired... because they will work cheaper than their our American brethren and your right often without any benefits.
The whole issue is the bottom dollar when it comes to hiring illegals.
I've done work for nurseries (tree growing type) as a contractor and have heard how they pay into the system... By filing for all the exemptions on their W-2's or filing exempt... Just how much do they pay into the system? Not as much as they are taking away from the system.

[kaiyo4u]

I can see your point Barbara, but they are taking away jobs that high school and college students would be doing. If Americans were teaching their children a work ethic. In the construction field, guess what, they are taking away jobs from those who are honest tax payers... The reason they are hired... because they will work cheaper than their our American brethren and your right often without any benefits.
The whole issue is the bottom dollar when it comes to hiring illegals.
I've done work for nurseries (tree growing type) as a contractor and have heard how they pay into the system... By filing for all the exemptions on their W-2's or filing exempt... Just how much do they pay into the system? Not as much as they are taking away from the system.

[kaiyo4u]

I can see your point Barbara, but they are taking away jobs that high school and college students would be doing. If Americans were teaching their children a work ethic. In the construction field, guess what, they are taking away jobs from those who are honest tax payers... The reason they are hired... because they will work cheaper than their our American brethren and your right often without any benefits.
The whole issue is the bottom dollar when it comes to hiring illegals.
I've done work for nurseries (tree growing type) as a contractor and have heard how they pay into the system... By filing for all the exemptions on their W-2's or filing exempt... Just how much do they pay into the system? Not as much as they are taking away from the system.

[kaiyo4u]

I can see your point Barbara, but they are taking away jobs that high school and college students would be doing. If Americans were teaching their children a work ethic. In the construction field, guess what, they are taking away jobs from those who are honest tax payers... The reason they are hired... because they will work cheaper than their our American brethren and your right often without any benefits.
The whole issue is the bottom dollar when it comes to hiring illegals.
I've done work for nurseries (tree growing type) as a contractor and have heard how they pay into the system... By filing for all the exemptions on their W-2's or filing exempt... Just how much do they pay into the system? Not as much as they are taking away from the system.

[kaiyo4u]

I can see your point Barbara, but they are taking away jobs that high school and college students would be doing. If Americans were teaching their children a work ethic. In the construction field, guess what, they are taking away jobs from those who are honest tax payers... The reason they are hired... because they will work cheaper than their our American brethren and your right often without any benefits.
The whole issue is the bottom dollar when it comes to hiring illegals.
I've done work for nurseries (tree growing type) as a contractor and have heard how they pay into the system... By filing for all the exemptions on their W-2's or filing exempt... Just how much do they pay into the system? Not as much as they are taking away from the system.

[lilathe]

6) no health checks for any of them and at least one of them might have a chronic cough with occassional blood, but you aren't even allowed to ask for a health check up.
7) no background checks. Period. You are not allowed to know if you have rapists, child molestors, gang members, drug dealers living with you. You just take anyone willing to break at least one law.
8) you must give your identity and that of your family members to them to be used for them to obtain work. So break out grandma's, your daughters, and uncle Bob's social security numbers and stuff and hand it over to them
9)you pay all bills for any uninsured unlicensed drivers living in your house. Including DUI charges. Your children/grandchildren get to play outside your home and take their chances on who will be leaving or coming home drunk today. DUI Russian roulette anyone?
10) you have to start training one of the women to take over your job, after all you don't write in spanish and she does. Plus she will work for half of what you do.

[frankinaz]

It must be nice to illegaly enter and live in this country, without any background, criminal, or disease checks, be allowed to stay here illegally and then complain about how one are treated! No one is forcing illegal immigrants to take the jobs they take; they choose to take these jobs on their own. Now they whine and cry that they are being underpaid and exploited-Well, that's too bad, and that's tough! Its bad enough the Federal Government looks the other way when illegal immigrants come pouring over the borders in uncontrolled numbers, and let businesses illegally employ these people, and then the illegal immigrants complain! If they don't like their treatment in the U. S., then they can return to their home countries and choose to be exploited there! This country does not owe these people a ____ thing! Illegal immigrants cost this country billions of dollars every year, and its time to stop letting people into this country illegally and bust the companies that employ them. Set-up a guest worker plan for certain industries; its better than the chaotic system now in place that's all but out of control.

[lonewackodot]

Immigration is a complex topic, and it's clear that Ehrenreich is either ignorant or disingenuous. For instance, most illegal aliens do have to commit follow-on crimes, such as identity theft, and they're also engaged in follow-on crimes by others, such as hiring, transporting, or harboring illegal aliens.

And, the San Diego ACLU has an indirect link to the Mexican government, being part of a group that's headed by an immigration lawyer with at least three links to that government, including collaborating with them on a legal project (check archive.org for vocesunidas.org) and even writing an "opposition research" piece for that government.

And, believe it or don't, the U.S. economy would not collapse without all that cheap labor: we would invent new machines and make other adjustments, including forcing stoop labor jobs such as picking strawberries to move offshore. There's no reason why an advanced country like the U.S. should continue to have such "industries", especially when bringing strawberry pickers into a high cost of living country forces some of them to live in caves:

theatlantic.com/doc/199511/guest-workers

I'd suggest Ehrenreich does a bit more research into this issue and contacts those who oppose illegal immigration to find out all the other ways she's wrong.

[bellal-2009]

This is a joke. Right?

[lilathe]

6) no health checks for any of them and at least one of them might have a chronic cough with occassional blood, but you aren't even allowed to ask for a health check up.
7) no background checks. Period. You are not allowed to know if you have rapists, child molestors, gang members, drug dealers living with you. You just take anyone willing to break at least one law.
8) you must give your identity and that of your family members to them to be used for them to obtain work. So break out grandma's, your daughters, and uncle Bob's social security numbers and stuff and hand it over to them
9)you pay all bills for any uninsured unlicensed drivers living in your house. Including DUI charges. Your children/grandchildren get to play outside your home and take their chances on who will be leaving or coming home drunk today. DUI Russian roulette anyone?
10) you have to start training one of the women to take over your job, after all you don't write in spanish and she does. Plus she will work for half of what you do.

[lilathe]

I commented on this same story elsewhere. Basically I said, "put your money where your mouth is".
Barbara, if you TRULY believe what you write, then I have a way for you to prove it. Open YOUR home up to illegals. You will have to abide by the same rules as American citizens do in regards to Illegals. In this "we" the US citizens opposed to illegal invasion, get to pick though.
1) we will deliver between 20-90 illegals to your home (well MS-13 gang members will actually deliver them not us)
2)the illegals will clean your house, watch your children, and keep your yard clean, you will pay them a living wage
3) the illegals will not learn English
4)you will pay for their education out of your own pocket, that will be 9k-14k a year per child for public school. You will pay all medical bills, and all will be emergency room visits fees, plus the medical fees for all their extended family members who just pop over to have their babies in the US.
5) you will provide all food and housing, too bad if you feel "overcrowded" your house is plenty big enough for 90 people.

[lilathe]

I commented on this same story elsewhere. Basically I said, "put your money where your mouth is".
Barbara, if you TRULY believe what you write, then I have a way for you to prove it. Open YOUR home up to illegals. You will have to abide by the same rules as American citizens do in regards to Illegals. In this "we" the US citizens opposed to illegal invasion, get to pick though.
1) we will deliver between 20-90 illegals to your home (well MS-13 gang members will actually deliver them not us)
2)the illegals will clean your house, watch your children, and keep your yard clean, you will pay them a living wage
3) the illegals will not learn English
4)you will pay for their education out of your own pocket, that will be 9k-14k a year per child for public school. You will pay all medical bills, and all will be emergency room visits fees, plus the medical fees for all their extended family members who just pop over to have their babies in the US.
5) you will provide all food and housing, too bad if you feel "overcrowded" your house is plenty big enough for 90 people.