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Schieffer: Screaming On The Right And The Left Has Drowned Out What The Center Wants
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Here's the "clean little secret" about immigration: For all the noise from the right side of the Republican Party and the left side of the Democratic Party, most Americans want immigration reform, want some kind of guest worker program, and want some way for illegal immigrants to apply for legal status.
Actually, it's no secret — those were the findings of a recent CBS News/New York Times poll.
But you'd never know it. The Right and the Left turned up the volume and drowned out the center. When the Democratic leader in the Senate was unable to cut off debate and bring reform to a vote, the blame game began.
Republicans said the bill could have passed with a few more changes. Democrats said Republicans were trying to kill the legislation with amendments. All sides blamed the President's poor relations with Congress.
Excuse me, but when has the President ever had good relations with Congress?
I've never been one to question motives, but I have to wonder: Is this what both sides secretly wanted?
As important as it is, no politician gains much by supporting reform. To the contrary, support guarantees well-financed attacks from both the Right and the Left. Doing nothing left senators in the best place of all — they could all blame each other and head for the next fundraiser.
The problem is, the problem is still there. The loudest voices prevailed and Congress demonstrated yet again that it could not muster the political will to confront a major problem head-on and resolve it.
By Bob Schieffer
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See all 113 Comments"Here's the "clean little secret" about immigration: For all the noise from the right side of the Republican Party and the left side of the Democratic Party, most Americans WANT immigration reform, want some kind of guest worker program, and want some way for illegal immigrants to apply for legal status.
Actually it's no secret %u2014 those were the findings of a recent CBS News/New York Times poll. "
Well here is another poll at http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/why_the_senate_immigration_bill_failed that shows something else:
"The last Rasmussen Reports national telephone poll found that just 23% of Americans supported the legislation. When a bill has less popular support than the War in Iraq, it deserves to be defeated.
There is no mystery to why the public opposed the bill. In the minds of most Americans, immigration means reducing illegal immigration and enforcing the border. Only 16% believed the Senate bill would accomplish that goal. "
Try to be fair in reporting your numbers and speaking for "most Americans". Most Americans want the problem solved - but not by giving immunity from prosecution for breaking the law (amnesty I think that is.) A $5000 fine for entering the country illegally and stealing someone's identity just does not cut it with those of us who have to live with these criminals.
http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2007/06/we-won-again.html#links
And as for amnesty? No way. It's been done and look where we are now. But I'd support some plan for those who have been here - and I'd make it painful because of the way in which people illegally moved in. I'd make it clear legal immigrants had a much easier path.
I think Bob got it wrong. If the policies need work; fix them. But no one I talk with likes the guest worker idea and everyone hates amnesty. Pragmatism suggests we make a pathway for illegals, but that's assuming they actually want citizenship and/or actually need it. It certainly seems as if many services are available without citizenship. So, why should they bother?
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/06/10/activists_entered_immigration_debate_with_roar/
Here you go. This is what killed the bill. Millions of Americans rising up against the certain bankruptcy and destruction of our country.
Nuking the Economy
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
Last week the Bureau of Labor Statistics re-benchmarked the payroll jobs data back to 2000. Thanks to Charles McMillion of MBG Information Services, I have the adjusted data from January 2001 through January 2006. If you are worried about terrorists, you don%u2019t know what worry is.
Job growth over the last five years is the weakest on record. The US economy came up more than 7 million jobs short of keeping up with population growth. That%u2019s one good reason for controlling immigration. An economy that cannot keep up with population growth should not be boosting population with heavy rates of legal and illegal immigration.
Over the past five years the US economy experienced a net job loss in goods producing activities. The entire job growth was in service-providing activities--primarily credit intermediation, health care and social assistance, waiters, waitresses and bartenders, and state and local government.
US manufacturing lost 2.9 million jobs, almost 17% of the manufacturing work force. The wipeout is across the board. Not a single manufacturing payroll classification created a single new job.
http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts02112006.html
Posted by MaryJessel
If you are concerned about those things, why did you vote Republican?
I don't know who CBS polled but I can tell you it was not people like me who have to live up close and personal with illegal immigration everyday. It would be very easy to have sympathy for the illegal immigrants if you never saw them, or was never not able to get a job because the employers like to use illegals, or if you can't afford health care and go to your local health clinic only to be told the money is gone, taken up by illegal immigrant's kids that need healthcare much more than anything I might need, if you didn't have to deal with crowded classrooms and also the fact your kids are not getting their fair share of the teacher's attention because there are the illegal immigrant's kids that need it so much more. I am not anti-immigrant. I'm anti-ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT. I do feel sympathy but not at the expense of THE UNITED STATES, our country. If there is a bill passed that gives amnesty (and it IS amnesty) millions of people would automatically become eligible for more social services than they already illegally get. And you can see from their rallys demanding to be given citizenship, they would have no problem demanding the services that suddenly became their right to have.
If Bob Schieffer, President George Bush, Ted Kennedy, etc. had to live in the real world for a month they would change their tune in a hurry.
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Our future and the quality of our children's lives depend on it.
That should include arresting the criminals in the government, business, the illegal aliens themselves AND those that have been aiding and abetting them!
That will give them time to verify and get rid of anyone with forged documents. If they know they will be arrested, they will not employ anymore people with forged documents, because they have the means to verify. If there are no jobs, there are no illegals...period.
Posted by MaryJessel
If you are concerned about those things, why did you vote Republican?
IF you are concerned about those things, why do you support open borders with a Third World country, which will merely worsen them exponentially.
Instead of listening to old men babble (and I too am old, I can say that) the American Legion and the Border Patrol Council which warned this bill was a threat to our National Security should be joined by USA citizens demanding the FBI investigate what did go on there in the Shadows.
I have noticed that some of people when they talked about immigration particularly illegal always say that business or corporation want them to stay here, but actually it is because that some business or corporation, and others realize that the country would not be able to compete financially in the future with other nations unless something is done for these people to come or stay here in a legal manner. Considering that we owe 2 to 3 trillions or more dollars in debts, it will be suicidal for our economy if we push legislation to hard on reducing trade deficit through yen, Yuan or other nation's currency appreciation. The only vital way to reduce the trade deficit is to be able to sell more to other nation while having enough national goods or products for ourselves.
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There are three main states where they're heading: North Carolina, Tennessee, and Georiga.
I read where someone said "Half-backs are people who moved to Florida from northerm states, lived there for years and now things are so bad in Florida that they leave and move 1/2 way back to where they came from and choose North Carolina, Tennessee and Georgia to live."
people who were born and raised in Florida who move to these states are called them "Evacuees".
And the irony--we have evacuees from California and New Jersey who are now evacuating to mid south states. We will go to Bama or Mississippi. God Willing and they don't close the borders to us.
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Top 5 Dumbest Things in the Immigration Bill
5) Taxpayers will pay for the immigration lawyers for illegal aliens if working in agriculture.
4) Illegal aliens would be given legal status just one day after their application is filed even if a background check is not completed.
3) Gang members are eligible for amnesty if they renounce their gang status.
2) Borders do not have to be secure before the amnesty program begins.
1) $2,600,000,000,000 -- That is the cost the Heritage Foundation estimates to cover the retirement benefits of 12,000,000 illegal aliens if this amnesty bill becomes law.
Fair to americans, no way!!!!
1. Those prosperous years birthed the Civil Rights Movement. And Dr. King on Immigration? "they will hire the Immigrant and not the Black Native Citizen."
2. Hispanics succeded in getting a Farm Union. Cesar Chavez who fought illegal immigration tooth and nail even leading a March to the Mexican Border to protest illegal labor being used to break the backs of the USA working people.
3. A woman's rights movement was launche.
4. Public Schools were good and safe.
5. Crime was very low.
6. The USA grew to be the strongest and richest nation in the world.
7. Our vegetables and fruits got picked just fine. And no one ever heard of e-coli scares and poison food from China.
8. Labor Unions were strong and served as a check on Big Business. Most families only needed one wage earner.
Then in 1965, Senator Kennedy with the help of others changed our immigration laws to admit third world peoples instead of people from N. and S. Europe mostly. We had a point system before he changed it to 'Family Unification' or "Chain Migration'That is a fact. Not a smear.
Protectionism grows a middle class.
NO AMNESTY
NO large guest worker program
Immigration reform only to help us bring in the best and brightest, rather than someone's 3rd cousin of Aunt Betty
NO AMNESTY OF ANY KIND
Some kind of guest worker program is nothing related to the wholesale giveaway of jobs the amnesty bill was proposing - the problem with that kind of open ended poll question.
NO AMNESTY, PERIOD.
These groups were Democrats expecting surges in party rolls, Unions expecting to swell ranks (I checked the UAW and AFL web sites and could not believe they wanted it), and certain Republican and Democrats Senators getting kick backs from special interests.
These laws are on the books now (since 1986 we have had 12 Million +)and we need CBS and others to do what we want from our media - pressure on all parties equally and get them to do what is right for the USA and not non Americans.
CBS should not be saying "the polls say we really want illegals", but should be asking each Senator way can't they get the laws that were passed before working properly by the Executive branch. CBS also should be asking the Executive Branch why the cannot get the laws that were passed before working properly.
The Border. Secure that border. Vote every one of them out who gets in your face and blah blah blah about that being a Berlin Wall. The Berlin Wall divided a city in a nation. It keep people IN--not OUT. A border fence seperates Nations. And with Mexico, a nation that was an ally of Germany's in WWI and neutral until the week the war was over in WWII. The FBI sought Nazi spies in Mexico after the war. Consult with Mexico? Why Senator Dodd? Could some Democrats pose that Question to him when he explains why English is not a language he wishes to see become our National Language? He wishes to be our President.
"polling found that 72% of Americans believe it%u2019s Very Important to reduce illegal immigration and enforce the borders. Just 29% said it was Very Important to legalize the status of those illegally living in the country today."
They nailed that one.
After ignoring the main point that voters were hoping to address, Senators should not have been shocked at the public reaction. But they were.
With all the polling data in the world today, how could they have failed to see this coming? While Rasmussen Reports was the only public polling firm to directly ask about support or opposition to the Senate bill, other polling data such as a recent CBS News/New York Times survey provided plenty of warning signs. Besides, the nation%u2019s politicians purchase plenty of private polling data that should have given them a hint.
We live in a world where most Americans believe that most Members of Congress will sell their vote for cash or a campaign contribution. Only 16% believe the legislators%u2019 votes are not for sale. By a nearly 5-to-1 margin, voters believe that Members of Congress are more interested in their own careers and agenda rather than the public good."
Right again.
Yes, some legitimately object to some aspects of the bill, but many in our polorized time care mostly about fighting and contention, not reconciliation or compromise.
Without a bill, we will get our just desserts!
As many of you are aware, there is a plan being worked on very quietly by Bush & Cheney , the large corp. & the global elite (read about the Trilateral Comm.), to merge the US with Mexico & Canada to create a %u201CNorth American Union.%u201D (NAU). The creation of the NAU would erase our borders with Mexico & Canada, replace the dollar with the %u201CAmero%u201D, lead to unlimited immigration & render the Constitution of the US meaningless.
The name of the effort behind this is the Security & Prosperity Partnership of North America (SSP). SSP became %u201Cofficial policy%u201D of the US @ a summit convened by Bush & joined by then Mexican Pres. Fox & Canadian PM Martin, in Waco, TX 3/23/05 .
This %u201C partnership%u201D hasn%u2019t been submitted to Congress for its oversight/concurrence because it%u2019s not a treaty. The administration of this %u201Cpartnership%u201D is buried in the Commerce Dept.
It does have, however, the blessings of the corp. & political elites of the (3) nations. Some of the corp. in favor of the NAU are:
(1)Campbell Soup
(2) Gillette Inc.
(3)FedEx
(4)Merck & Co
(5)Walmart
(6)Mittal Steel USA
(7)Gen. Motors
(8)Lockeed Martin
This is an attack on American sovereignty!
The planned 3rd summit (in Canada I think) of SPP is 6/26/07-6/29/07 or 8/07. At this meeting will be Canadian PM Stephen Harper , Mexican Pres. Calderon & Bush.
NAFTA is the predecessor of the NAU. The NAFTA Superhwy. or trans-TX corridor, is part of the broader plan of the SPP. One principle player in this is a Spanish construction co. called Cintra, which plans to build the hwy. & operate it as a toll-road. Cintra is an international operator of toll roads & car parks. Roads operated by Cintra include Hwy.407(Ontario) , Chicago Skyway, Indiana Toll Road & numerous roads in Spain, Portugal & Ireland.
In the research I%u2019ve done I%u2019ve found the following info. about this Superhwy.:
(1) It is a (10) lane, (400)yd. wide hwy., from Mex. port of Lazaro Cardenas ( port on Pacific side of Mexico) up to & across US border , all the way into Canada. Within the median strip dividing north & south car & truck lanes, would be rail lines for both passenger & freight train traffic, & oil & gas pipelines.
The government, both parties, have not done there jobs.
We, the people, want illegal aliens to leave or be deported. We want any person and company that hires illegal aliens to be fined heavily.
We want the jobs stolen by illegals to be returned to legal citizens.
Vote any of these politicians that support amnesty out of office.
No Amnesty
(3) First leg of NAFTA Superhwy. scheduled to begin in 2007.
(4) Beneficiarys of this NAFTA Superhwy.project would be the contractors who built it (remember, a Spanish construction co. called Cintra), & the importers & outlet stores for the Chinese manufactured goods that would come flooding in.
(5) Losers would be US longshoremen, truckers, manufacturers & taxpayers.
The US taxpayer would pay the costs of building the hwy. in Mexico & the US.
This is an OUTRAGE!
The NAU plan is headed to Congress this fall by Sept. 30, 2007. A powerful think-tank( Center for Strategic & International Studies (CSIS) , chaired by former Sen. Sam Nunn & guided by trustees including Richard Armitage, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Harold Brown, William Cohen & Henry Kissinger, is in the final stages of preparing a report to the White House & US Congress on the benefits of integrating US, Mexico & Canada into one political, economic & security bloc. The Bush/Cheney adm., the global elite (or %u201Cglobalists) & the large corp. are planning on having @ least the economic part of the NAU plan fully in place & operational by 2010.
The final report (in English, Spanish & French) is scheduled for submission to all (3) governments by Sept. 30, 2007 according to the CSIS ( check out CSIS report,%u201D North American Future 2025 Project%u201D). The CSIS boast of playing a large role in the passage of NAFTA in 1994.
Us Rep. Virgil Goode (VA), Walter Jones (NC), Ron Paul (TX) & Tom Tancredo (CO) have introduced House Concurrent Resolution 40 (H.C.R.40) to demand that:
(1) US should not engage in the constuction of NAFTA Superhwy. System.
(2) US should not enter into a North American Union with Mexico & Canada.
I URGE YOU TO WRITE/PHONE/EMAIL YOUR ELECTED CONGRESSMAN/WOMEN & DEMAND THE PASSAGE OF HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION 40 (H.C.R.40)!
This issue affects all of America!
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
(1) Worldnetdaily (www.wnd.com)
(2) www.conservativeusa. org
(3) The August Review (www.augustreview.com)
(4) www.informationliberation.com
(5) www.vivelecanada.ca
(6) www.townhall.con
(7) www.informationclearinghouse.info
(8) www.humanevents.com
(9) Bilderberg Group
(10) The Trilateral Commision (globalists; notice who the members are)
(11) Robert A. Pastor
SUPPORT H.C.R. 40!!!!!
STOP THE NORTH AMERICAN UNION!!!!!!
Posted by MaryJessel
If you are concerned about those things, why did you vote Republican?
IF you are concerned about those things, why do you support open borders with a Third World country, which will merely worsen them exponentially.
Posted by MaryJessel
But I don't support open borders, for the reason you stated. The Republicans you voted for, support open borders for the cheap labor.
Foreclosures are high in part due to rising property taxes to fund the never ending increase in illegals to the schools. The dollar spent per student decreases each year, resulting in loss of P.E. and arts programs in order to pay for bilingual teachers and ESL programs. The wealthy send their children to private schools, but the poor and middle class are forced to stand by and watch their children%u2019s educations decline.
Hospital districts lose millions of dollars on care for illegals. The criminal systems are overburdened with them. Again, tax payers are footing the bill.
In the midst of this U.S. citizens are screaming ENOUGH! ENFORCE the laws!
What does Congress do? Republicans say we need the bill for security. How can they argue that they are doing it for security when they vote against amendments to enforce current laws and to prevent citizenship to criminals and gang members? Democrats say, let them all in and let's let them bring their elderly parents and other relatives in? Let's increase taxes to pay for pre-k, healthcare, and college?
The deficit is high, the middle class is dwindling, education is declining, we're not taking care of the poor, our 911 responders or our soldiers, yet we should allow criminals citizenship and then offer them social programs?
Posted by MaryJessel
If you are concerned about those things, why did you vote Republican?
"IF you are concerned about those things, why do you support open borders with a Third World country, which will merely worsen them exponentially."
Posted by MaryJessel
But I don't support open borders, for the reason you stated. The Republicans you voted for, support open borders for the cheap labor.
The Truth which they know, but figure the Senate is too stupid or too venial to care is that 74 percent of the USA public, including Catholics and Legal Hispanics, loathe that bill. Only 29 percent of the USA will go on record as supporting it.(Rasmessen Polls)
It was the left rising up, it was the right rising up, it was the middle rising up---it was us.
this is our country.
It is not theirs to give away. Not for cheap labor. Not for cheap votes. Not for Folks to fill the now empty Church Pews.
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