G-8 Leaders Back U.N. On Iran Sanctions

Bush Misses Morning Meetings Due To Stomach Bug, But Back For Lunch, Pix, Ready For Poland Visit

(CBS/AP)  The first sign that something was amiss with the current president came when Sarkozy appeared alone before reporters after their meeting. Speaking in French, he said only that Mr. Bush was in his bedroom and that his spokesmen would have to explain further.

Bartlett said the two leaders discussed a myriad of issues, including Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, Darfur, trade and missile defense. It was their first meeting since Sarkozy took office less than a month ago and only their second overall; the first was September in Washington.

Sarkozy said Mr. Bush had invited him to come to the United States.

"The president felt that they established a real personal rapport," Bartlett said.

The new French president, seen as friendly to the United States, will likely be a welcome change from the merciless tormenting Mr. Bush received from Sarkozy's predecessor, Jacques Chirac.

To be sure, Sarkozy does not fall in lockstep with U.S. policies.

For instance, he, like German Chancellor Angela Merkel, the summit host, had pushed for hard greenhouse gas emission reduction targets out of the week's gathering.

French officials said Sarkozy told Mr. Bush during a working session Thursday that "quantitative targets" on emissions were not negotiable.

"We cannot wait anymore," Sarkozy said.

But as it turns out, they will.

The agreement on climate change produced by the leaders promises only to consider a goal of a 50 percent cut by 2050 as one option for tackling global warming. Instead of adopting that approach, proposed by Merkel, the leaders came around to Mr. Bush's insistence that a to-be-determined, and not necessarily binding goal be set later, by a wider group that includes emerging economies.

Still, Sarkozy earned the label "Sarko the American" from some in France during his campaign.

He is one of a couple of new leaders that make Europe a more comfortable place for Mr. Bush to be these days — even with the impending departure of Tony Blair, the British prime minister who has been Mr. Bush's most steadfast foreign ally.

In Poland, Mr. Bush is seeing Kaczynski at that country's equivalent of the American presidential retreat at Camp David. The three-hour stop in Poland serves as a bookend to Mr. Bush's trip-opening visit to the Czech Republic. The president has chosen the two nations as the sites for a new missile defense system.

That system has been a source of much heated dispute with Russia.

On Thursday, Russian President Vladimir Putin presented Mr. Bush with a surprise counterproposal built around an old Soviet-era radar system in Azerbaijan rather than the new defenses in Poland and the Czech Republic. Mr. Bush said he would consider it.

Bartlett said Sarkozy was interested in hearing about Putin's substitute proposal, but that the discussion didn't go beyond that. He said Mr. Bush's talks with Kaczynski would be "an important consultation.

"Don't expect to have definitive answers to a very complicated set of issues," he said. "This is going to be a continuing dialogue with all interested parties."

Carlos Pasqual of The Brookings Institution told CBS News that Putin's offer is a clever way to show he still matters; "to demonstrate, I think, to his own population, but also to the international community, that this man is a problem-solver."

Azerbaijan's foreign minister, Elmar Mammadyarov, said Friday the former Soviet republic along the Caspian Sea is ready to consider proposed joint U.S.-Russian use of its radar facility.

[tbweb]

grazinggoat,,,

American and Israeli air forces on Sunday began week-long joint exercises in southern Israel, simulating dog-fights and bombing targets on the ground, the army said. Dozens of aircraft are taking part in the exercises in the southern Negev desert... hehe :)

[tbweb]

grazinggoat,,,

Sore loser, Iranian Sympathizer!! S c r e w Iran!! No more chit chat, Iran is writing checks its A S S can't cash, LETS ROCK!!

[grazinggoat]

...just wish my favorite aircraft carrier was deployed with the others, the USS CARL VINSON, CVN 70, thats my baby! :) Turn out the lights, the partys over ...
Posted by tbweb at 01:03 AM

-Immature little boy. Those must be little toys in a bathtub you play with! Continue dreaming. Turn the lights off and go to sleep, little nasty hyporcit warmonger. And don't wet your bed during your sleep.

[tbweb]

grazinggoat,,,

Iran is about to get its a s s waxed big time, the U.S. is losing patience with Iran! I just wish my favorite aircraft carrier was deployed with the others, the USS CARL VINSON, CVN 70, thats my baby! :) Turn out the lights, the partys over ...

[grazinggoat]

...immediate results from those meetings by demonstrating observable and verifiable proof those meeting have meaning and value. The U.S. is reaching the limits of its patience with Iran, can%u2019t you tell?
Posted by tbweb

-Can't you come up with facts. Real facts other than what is produced to public consumption? I thought you were little more reasonable. I thought you read between the lines and clear what is destined to the general in order to beat up the war drumms.

-There is no proof of all this IED story and the hatred rethorics everybody is selling in order to heat up the spirits and minds of the patriotism-consuming public. Until now there are no proof to the fact Iran is willing to produce a nuclear weapon but to keep it as a deterrent, if at all...
And your claim about Senator Lieberman is worthless, beaucse he's one of the organizers of the Iraq war. He lied as much as did Walking-Liar. He cares least for American Lives, if at all. He cares more for the Security of Israel. When he resigned form the Democratic Party he did it only and solely for the sake of Israel, just in case the Democratic party would change its stance for Israel.
-'Iran is also detaining U.S. Citizens': most of them (4 over 4 Iranians back to their homeland in order to foment a coup undercover of NGOs employees), bad choice... not touching the other thousands flying to Iran fro USA, showing a suprising stability. For a better stability, Iran is a must partner for peace.

[tbweb]

grazinggoat wrote:

-The best solutions reside in tolerence and moderation. Talks must be adopted as an OBLIGATORY-TASK to all nations' foreign ministries lawmakers, to avoid major confrontations and turn them into triffle skirmishes...

Posted by grazinggoat at 08:33 PM : Jun 10, 2007

grazinggoat,,,

The issues involving Iran, led by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are not just about Israel. Iran is also detaining U.S. Citizens and training and supplying insurgents and terror elements in Iraq which results in the death of U.S. forces inside Iraq. Not to mention the new powerful upgraded IDE%u2019s destroying U.S. military equipment U.S. military experts attribute to Iran. Like Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn. mentioned, Iran can%u2019t kill Americans with impunity! I don%u2019t see much hope is talking to Iran; the reason is because in Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad you have someone who has devoted his life to hating the U.S. and Israel and is committed to his hatred. How can a few meetings overcome a lifetime of hate? Iran has a pattern of using meetings and raising objections as stalling tactics while Iran advances its nuclear program. The only way meetings will have any credibility and give the U.S. faith and hope in those meetings is if Iran shows immediate results from those meetings by demonstrating observable and verifiable proof those meeting have meaning and value. The U.S. is reaching the limits of its patience with Iran, can%u2019t you tell?

[grazinggoat]

When I was in college my Professors always complained about Internet content, .... fact! My Professors... I'm refuting your argument that there is a deep feeling in the world for Iran with proof, in fact the opposite is true!

Source: http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/a
rticles/home_page/168.php?nid=&id=&pnt=1
68&lb=hmpg1
Posted by tbweb

-tbweb, I respect what you posted, and I thank you for giving th opportunity to have a look at this world opinion page. It's clever from your part to present sucha page, but it lacks a control side to the experience. Israel is not mentioned in any of the results because we're comapring two foes, one of which is not mentioned.
-Of course you would not expect to find a lovely image in the minds of the world population about Iran. Most probably they don't care about it and that does not give legitimate authority to the United States to attack Iran.

-They are a borning nation that has to offer so much to the world, as much as Israel does. The packaging does not work because of ways of presentation that are not refined to the utmost professionalism.

-The best solutions reside in tolerence and moderation. Talks must be adopted as an OBLIGATORY-TASK to all nations' foreign ministries lawmakers, to avoid major confrontations and turn them into triffle skirmishes. Spare the people all avoidable suffering.

[toolmangler-2009]

Nevermind..... If the nukes aren't contained, the Brooklyn Bridge will not bring much laying on the bottom of the river.

[toolmangler-2009]

please tell me how Israel should feel right now. A country ruled by a mindset that cannot accept Jews has stated that Israel must be destroyed and no Jew left alive is doing its utmost to aquire or develop Nuclear bombs. If I were a Jew I would not let this situation continue without doing everything I could to insure my survival by destroying the bomb making ability of Iran. If Iran wants this to not happen they have two options 1. Stop with the bomb program and give everyone a chance to cool Israel down and find a better soloution to this problem. or 2. start building bomb shelters like America did during the "Cold War". Because Israel will not go quietly! I do not want a radioactve world because I live here also..
Israel will bomb Iran no-matter what we say. They won't worry about being attacked in return, they feel that as long as they are still alive they have a chance. They 'will' ask America to help them against the entire muslim world. After the 'Holocaust' happened Israel said "Never Again" and if you think they will sit back when a Government has threatened to 'Wipe Israel off the map, I have some stock in the 'Brooklyn Bridge'
for sale...

[tbweb]

grazinggoat wrote:

-tbweb,
can you admit that you are fundamentally biased?
Posted by grazinggoat at 05:22 PM : Jun 09, 2007

grazinggoat,,,

How can I not be biased against Iranian Pres. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? Ahmadinejad has made hating the U.S. and Israel his life%u2019s work! Ahmadinejad is well educated with a PhD and was an active University Professor for 7 years spewing hate. During the 1979 U.S. Embassy takeover and hostage crisis, Ahmadinejad was very active in that event at the eye of the storm, many argue he was photographed with U.S. hostages but this was never confirmed, but it doesn%u2019t matter because he was one of the main instigators anyway! When Ahmadinejad ran for President he was the only candidate who ran on an anti U.S., Israel agenda. Ahmadinejad does not just want to be the leader of Iran but the leader of a worldwide Islamic revolution against the U.S. and Israel! Ahmadinejad%u2019s 3 famous quotes against Israel are "World without Zionism", "occupying regime" and "disgraceful stain on the Islamic world" that must be "wiped off the map". Despite mountains of dead Jewish bodies in official photographs he still claims the Holocaust as a "myth". He has also refused to stop the nuclear program of Iran, regardless of the demands of the UN Security Council. So to answer your question, YES!, I am biased and the entire world should be biased against Iranian Pres. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad too and you don%u2019t give someone like this access to nuclear weapons!

[tbweb]

grazinggoat wrote:

The deep feeling of the world is in favour of Iran...

Posted by grazinggoat at 05:18 PM : Jun 09, 2007

grazinggoat,,,

When I was in college my Professors always complained about Internet content, the main complaint was there was no editing or proof reading and no proof or sources to back up statements, people just Posted content and the unwitting take it as fact! My Professors made us promise to always Post with Sources: to back up our content and all of my classmates do unless its a personal opinion. I'm refuting your argument that there is a deep feeling in the world for Iran with proof, in fact the opposite is true!

Countries in Europe and North America have the largest majorities expressing a negative view of Iran. The most negative are Germany (84%), the US (81%), and Italy (77%); followed by Finland (74%), Great Britain (72%), Canada (73%), France (68%), Spain (66%) and Poland (60%).

Latin America is mostly negative. Majorities in Brazil (75%) and Argentina (53%) have a negative view of Iran%u2019s influence, but Mexicans are divided (22% positive, 21% negative) with one in three not taking a position.

Source: http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/168.php?nid=&id=&pnt=168&lb=hmpg1

[grazinggoat]

Once the genie is out of the bottle no one will be able to put be it back in! In my opinion if Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad obtains a nuclear weapon he will then become a global suicide bomber. Who will sleep well then?
Posted by tbweb

-tbweb,
can you admit that you are fundamentally biased? The United Nations have so many times adopted resolutions condemning Israel for the Acts it's perpetrating against the Palestinians. Has Israel done anything to improve the disgusting situation in which the Plaestinians are living?

Since the Establishment of Israel in the Middle-East, this region hasn't lived one single decade of peace in a row. While the Middle-Easterners were self-governing, they always lived in Peace and harmony, with exception of some skirmishes, that were immediately remediated.

Your reasoning is based on one objective; the establishment of single-religion state in the middle-east that prioritizes the Jewish with less consideration to the others, and safeguard it at any price even the destruction of (Iran) a state that is 10-12 times more populous than Israel. The Jews were always in the Middle-East and they are considered welcome as long as they are defending the National interests of the countries where they live. They have the right to live whereever they wish. Proof to that, their active presence in Iran, in Iraq, in Syria, Lebanon, Morocco, Algeria...

[grazinggoat]

... Continued
Your arguments are based only on pretentions. No credible authority has ever shown an intetion to the Iranians to produce the Weapon, which by the way they are not so crazy to use it against whomever in order to destroy or whatever. The deep feeling of the world is in favour of Iran, a sovereign nation that is surrounded by the USA; from Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan ... the US Marine could blockade Iran from the seas, and what else is left for them? All exits are closed for them by our warmonger Walking-Liar, Having a nuclear weapon is an eveil but again a LEAST EVIL one could wish to possess. Yet that is already in possession of Israel, USA, France, UK, China... yeah I was forgetting North Korea.

tbweb, be realistic. Iran cannot attck Israel, because it ca see Lebanese Hezbollah and itself being reduced to a parking lot. It's all a position of NEGOTIATION. Israel is a dream for many in America and the West but it's being unrest, a nightmare for the Middle-Easterners.

[tbweb]

zootallures2,,,

You need to research and study the concept of "the lesser evils", without understanding it you can come away with a lot of wrong impressions. In a nutshell its basically the concept that when all your choices are evil, you choose the lesser of the available evils. Many around the world have a negative impression of the U.S. because of a failure to understand the lesser evil theory. The U.S. does many things and supports many things because it has no other good choices and when the U.S. chooses a lesser evil because in most cases its forced to choose something, the U.S. looks bad. If the U.S. was looked upon in this context many would change their negative views of the U.S.. The main idea is to stop Iran from having the capacity to develop a nuclear bomb because Iran advocates destroying Israel. In effect, this idea is actually protecting Iran from its own anger! Moscow has offered to enrich Iran's uranium, rejected, diplomats have offered economic incentives, rejected, many have asked Iran and begged Iran to be flexible and listen to the voices of reason, rejected as well. Bombing Iran is one option in many and hopefully the last resort to attempting to reach the main goal of stopping Iran's nuclear bomb building capability. No one really wants to bomb Iran, its an ugly choice but may be the lesser evil in this case.

[ajmarine1]

tbweb,

I wasn't sure.

[tbweb]

AJMarine1 wrote:

I was being "sarcastic."

Posted by AJMarine1 at 09:52 AM : Jun 09, 2007

AJMarine1,,,

I knew you were being sarcastic, I knew you were not even remotely serious!

[ajmarine1]

zootallures2,

Drop Dead.

[zootallures2]

Soon it will be easier to talk about your vernerial disease than who is the leader of your nation.

[zootallures2]

"God willing, in the near future, we will witness the destruction of the corrupt occupier regime," Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying."

Sure, let them have the bomb.

Posted by AJMarine1 at 09:18 PM : Jun 08, 2007

A corrupt occupier regime is something you'd want to get rid of and the bomb will do it, God willing.

[antoniof123]

After reading the responses I was laughing so hard my wife came in and asked what was so funny and I almost couldn't talk what a way to make my Saturday morning.