February 11, 2009 4:46 PM

The Breakway Republic Of Vermont?

(AP)  At Riverwalk Records, the all-vinyl record store just down the street from the state Capitol, the black "US Out of Vt.!" T-shirts are among the hottest sellers.

But to some people in Vermont, the idea is bigger than a $20 novelty. They want Vermont to secede from the United States — peacefully, of course.

Disillusioned by what they call an empire about to fall, a small cadre of writers and academics is plotting political strategy and planting the seeds of separatism.

They've published a "Green Mountain Manifesto" subtitled "Why and How Tiny Vermont Might Help Save America From Itself by Seceding from the Union." They hope to put the question before citizens at Town Meeting Day next March, eventually persuading the state Legislature to declare independence, returning Vermont to the status it held from 1777 to 1791.

Whether it's likely is another question.

But the idea has found plenty of sympathetic ears in Vermont, a left-leaning state that said yes to civil unions, no to slavery (before any other) and last year elected a socialist to the U.S. Senate.

About 300 people turned out for a 2005 secession convention in the Statehouse, and plans for a second one are in the works. A poll this year by the University of Vermont's Center for Rural Studies found that 13 percent of those surveyed support secession, up from 8 percent a year before.

"The argument for secession is that the U.S. has become an empire that is essentially ungovernable — it's too big, it's too corrupt and it no longer serves the needs of its citizens," said Rob Williams, editor of Vermont Commons, a quarterly newspaper dedicated to secession.

"Congress and the executive branch are being run by the multinationals. We have electoral fraud, rampant corporate corruption, a culture of militarism and war. If you care about democracy and self-governance and any kind of representative system, the only constitutional way to preserve what's left of the Republic is to peaceably take apart the empire."

Such movements have a long history. Key West, Fla., staged a mock secession from America in the 1980s. The Town of Killington, Vt., tried to break away and join New Hampshire in 2004, and Hawaii, Alaska, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Texas all have some form of secession organizations today.



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by randalds June 6, 2007 5:06 PM EDT
I have found no mention of dinos being on Noah's Ark during the great deluge.

Posted by Klingon69 at 02:10 PM : Jun 05, 2007

Of course not, but the creationist myth says they were there...and that they were all plant eaters. Go to the website for the creationist Museum and read the insanity yourself.
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by toolmangler-2009 June 6, 2007 12:26 AM EDT
then why did America not stay with England? THAT was our country. Why did we not stay and fix it instead of seceding and forcing change?

Posted by toldyouso21 at 12:30 AM : Jun 05, 2007

Thought you understood that our history is more similar to Australias than any one else. Many of the people sent here were unwanted or paroled prisoners. They had one choice for survival, leave England or die. Once George (how 'bout that name)realized that America was good for more than a Isolation ward for the mainstream of society, He started squeezing us dry. That was the cause of "The Declaration of Independance". Thats just for starters.....
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by flash425 June 5, 2007 8:17 PM EDT
It turns out that Vermont succession would be a positive benefit for those states who pay more money in federal taxes than they receive back from the federal government. In Vermont's case, in 2004 the state's per capita contribution in federal taxes was $5,971 while it's per capita receipt was $5,971.

States such as California and Texas where the contribution to federal governments are significantly greater than they receive will be much relieved to be rid of this dead beat state.
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by skwagen June 5, 2007 7:11 PM EDT
ha ha ha ha ha ha...only Vermonters! I lived in VT from 1995-2004, even gave birth to my daughter there so, I can say from living there that VT is full of a bunch of nut cases! Um,instead of trying to secede from the country why don't you work on your heroin problem. Bunch of weirdo fake hippies, whine bag liberals and rednecks that's what VT is full of. What a joke, seriously if you don't like this country....GET OUT! Go to Canada since the primary language in VT is Fringlish (French & English). Oh, my gosh this is such a typical VT article and most of the comments...See what happens when you breathe in that "clean air".!
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by klingon69 June 5, 2007 5:14 PM EDT
Again, ignore the real problem (multinationals, corporations, legal bribery - lobby money, fundamentalism, greed) and blame the messenger. IT ONLY GETS WORSE. And this is why the system is breaking and why it will only get worse if nothing is done.
Posted by ttinsly at 08:19 AM : Jun 05, 2007
And welfare, foodstamps, free medical, free dental, ...etc. Illegals that can protest in our streets, that are handled with kid-gloves...etc.
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by klingon69 June 5, 2007 5:10 PM EDT
Yeah, we're the 'nuts' that believe that the world was created in 7 days, about 10,000 years ago despite the basic science of carbon dating.

The Bible tells us that the world was created in less than 7 days, as on the seventh day God rested. However, there is not temporal reference to the length of God's day. However, I do personally believe the world has been here ALOT longer than 10000 years.
Yeah, we're the 'nuts' that are afraid of Tinky Winky
???WHO???

and that have a creationism steven spielberg museum that teaches dinosaurs were in Noah's Ark.

I have found no mention of dinos being on Noah's Ark during the great deluge.
Yeah, that boat must have been a riot! Between T-rex and all the animals and the velacoraptors. If that was the case, then there would only again be dinos on Earth.

Yeah, we're the nuts that think that guns are more important than Free Speech and in par with a phariseeical god.
Don't know qabout the god part, but I do realize that the 2nd admendment is there to protect the other admendments.
Posted by ttinsly at 07:37 AM : Jun 05, 2007
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by randalds June 5, 2007 4:45 PM EDT
Yeah, we're the 'nuts' that believe that the world was created in 7 days, about 10,000 years ago despite the basic science of carbon dating. Yeah, we're the 'nuts' that are afraid of Tinky Winky and that have a creationism steven spielberg museum that teaches dinosaurs were in Noah's Ark. Yeah, that boat must have been a riot! Between T-rex and all the animals and the velacoraptors. Yeah, we're the nuts that think that guns are more important than Free Speech and in par with a phariseeical god.

Posted by ttinsly at 07:37 AM : Jun 05, 2007

LOL! That's great! Oh but haven't you heard? the Creation fantasy also teaches that all animals were vegetarians back then (I am NOT kidding on this) and that's why they didn't all just eat each other in the Garden of Eden (which BTW is located in Iraq, no wonder Bush wanted to invade! LOL!)

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by randalds June 5, 2007 4:40 PM EDT
It would also save FEMA from having to react when the big one causes Cali to sink into the ocean.
Posted by ronin10 at 06:46 AM : Jun 05, 2007

Please! I'm begging you! If the big one ever hits us out here in California, if we are part of the USA or not, whatever you do, do NOT, repeat do NOT send FEMA or the Chimp out here!!! For all that you hold holy do not inflict them on us when we get an earthquake, esp if it's a really bad one!!! Have mercy! Don't you think we'll be having enough to deal with without those morons showing up?!? We'll PAY you to keep them out of here!
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by abc92-2009 June 5, 2007 4:35 PM EDT
HEctor:
Good point. The US is what we know nowadays, after secession from G.Britain in 1776.Or not? Well, in the same way, Vermont has the right to secceed. Of course, they have to be aware that there is a price to be paid.
I consider it is worth trying. I lived and graduated from college in Burlington, and also had the chance to visit N.Y., Washington, NJ, etc. as a tourist. I always concluded that Vermont/NEngland were different from the rest in many ways (I dare to say superior). Their people, their landscape, their manners, their values...aspects that compensate for the cold winter.Quoting "toldyouso21: it is like candidates--target what is most important...then cringe at the rest."
Respectfully.
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by klingon69 June 5, 2007 3:53 PM EDT
I think it's a wonderful idea for us out here in California and apparently I'm not alone (http://www.californiasecession.org/), if for no other reason then we'd finally be done with the dead weight of the Red states. Let them shrink back into the dark ages with their religious based garbage in their schools and government and let us join the rest of the modern intelligent world.

Free the Bear!
Posted by RandalDS at 02:46 AM : Jun 05, 2007

RandalDS(with one L)
California doesn't have to seceed, just wait for that big one and it will just float away, taking many illegals, many fruits, and quite a few nuts too.
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