King And Salazar Face Off Over Immigration

Politicians Remain Divided Over The President's Immigration Bill

(CBS)  The issue of immigration is turning Democrats against Democrats and Republicans against Republicans.

But while battle lines in Washington are being drawn over the immigration reform bill, polls show the American people are less alarmed. A CBS News/New York Times poll found that 62 percent believe illegal immigrants who have lived and worked in the U.S. for at least two years should have a chance to apply for legal status.

Sunday on Face The Nation, Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., said the bill supported by President Bush will essentially give amnesty to illegal immigrants while Sen. Ken Salazar, D-Colo., said the bill finally offers a solution to the problem of illegal immigration.

King said the bill would allow all of the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants living the United States to become legal within 24 hours. King said the he did not want to deport the illegal aliens currently in the U.S., but he said that enforcing current immigration laws would be a better solution.

"Don't give amnesty to illegal immigrants. Go after the workplace. Go after the employers who are hiring illegal immigrants," King told Bob Schieffer. "That will result in voluntary deportation. And then we can come back in three or four years. If the border is secure, if illegal immigration has been stopped, and if we've gone after the workplaces, then we can address the remaining illegal immigrants who are here."

"On the substantive issue which Congressman King raises relative to amnesty, nothing could be further from the truth," Salazar said. "They're going to be here legally, but they're going to have a whole huge number of issues that are going to burden them during the eight year time frame that they're here."

Salazar said the bill making its way through Congress actually strengthens the borders with a doubling of border patrol officers and 370 miles of fencing. Most importantly, it deals with the problem of keeping track of 12 million undocumented workers, he said.

"How are you going to round up 12 million human beings, all of them with hearts and souls, most of them are hard-working people here in America, and ship them out?" Salazar said. "And essentially, those who are in Representative King's camp are people who don't want to find a solution to this very fundamental problem of the 21st century here in America."

Salazar said that he expects the reform bill to pass both the House and Senate and that the president will sign it into law.

"I think the president has worked in a true bipartisan spirit here," Salazar said. "He's rolled up his sleeves, and he's worked very, very hard on getting this thing through."

King said he plans on introducing his own bill in the coming weeks.

"This bill is worse than the current law," he said. "It sets the wrong precedent, it's the wrong thing to do."

[randalds]

RandaIDS;

Those words have existed in the English language long before immigration. Once again, your idiotic opinion is not tenable.

'nuff said.
Posted by jdweymouth at 06:58 AM : Jun 05, 2007

Bullsh*it, not here in the US. If you're trying to say that the Pilgrims came over here and already knew what a Pizza or Taco or even an extravaganza or a picnic was, then I'm telling you you're either an ignorant as*shole or a liar. Your choice dumbas*s.

No matter how you tap dance around it, the American language is, has been and will continue to be influenced and changed by the waves of immigrants who have, are and continue to come here. To say otherwise is pure stupidity. It's evolving, just like people are. Thank Darwin!

[jdweymouth]

RandaIDS;

Those words have existed in the English language long before immigration. Once again, your idiotic opinion is not tenable.

'nuff said.

[coffeehead-2009]

American - ahh, I LOVE it.




THEY SAID: Bummed as a fiddlestick!

WE SAY: Really bored!


THEY SAID: Cuttin' up.

WE SAY: Joking around.


THEY SAID: Happy as a clam suckin sand!

WE SAY: I'm happy.


THEY SAID: He is pulling your leg

WE SAY: He is teasing you


THEY SAID: I could chew nails, and *** tacks.

WE SAY: Extremely agitated.


THEY SAID: I kicked the slats outta the cradle laughing at that one!!!

WE SAY: Heard that joke before...it was funny then.


THEY SAID: I raised Hell and put a chunk under it!

WE SAY: I was quite angry


THEY SAID: If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

WE SAY: Get serious.


THEY SAID: I'll kick your *** in to next week

WE SAY: You're in trouble!


THEY SAID: I'm about to cloud up and rain all over you!

WE SAY: Look out! You are making me mad!


THEY SAID: I'm as mad as spit on a griddle.

WE SAY: I'm extremely angry.


THEY SAID: I'm so mad I could spit tacks!

WE SAY: I'm very angry.


THEY SAID: Keep your britches on.

WE SAY: Be patient.


THEY SAID: Keep your shirt on!

WE SAY: Don't get so excited!

[randalds]

'Nuff said and good night.

[randalds]

Italian; balcony, bravura, crescendo, dado, dilettante, extravaganza, granite, grotto, incognito, influenza, lava, martello, oboe, opera, pianoforte, quartet, regatta, semolina, sirocco, solo, sonata, soprano, terracotta, ultramarine.

Dutch; commodore, easel, gas, Hottentot, hustle, kink, maulstick, morass, ogle, roster, skate, sketch, sloop, smack, splice, taffrail, tattoo, trigger, yacht.

Spanish%u2014castanet, cigar, flotilla, garrotte, guerrilla, junto, quadroon, regalia (cigar), sambo, sierra, siesta; to Portuguese%u2014albatross, cobra, dodo, emu, joss, palaver, verandah, zebra; to German%u2014feldspar, gneiss, kriegspiel, lager, mangel-wurzel%u2014poodle, plunder, quartz, swindler, waltz, zeitgeist, zinc.

Russian; drosky, knout, mammoth, samovar, steppe.

[randalds]

Following your "logic" that means that there are no Spanish, Italian, Dutch, German, French, etc words in our language?

French; avalanche, badinage, bagatelle, barracks, bivouac, bronze, buccaneer, burlesque, chauffeur, chicane, cockade, cutlet, debouch, decamp, dragoon, echelon, embarrass, ******, gala, glacier, hangar, isolation, lampoon, levee, moraine, mystify, naove, ogre, oxygen, parachute, parasol, parade, parvenu, picnic, piston, prude, quadrille, ration, ricochet, roui, rouge (cosmetic), routine, sash (of window), siance, solidarity, sobriquet, souffli, souvenir, tableau, terrorism, trousseau, vaudeville, zouave.

[jdweymouth]

I can't believe that I'm being forced to argue that the language we're speaking is actually English.

[randalds]

It will degenerate more and more, but that doesn't mean that it will turn to a different language. You're mistaking degeneration for language shifts: that's not true because when immigrants have come to the US in the past, they have taken the trouble to learn English, and therefore English has not been influenced by other languages in that way. The Hispanics are the first immigrants demanding that we learn Spanish instead of them learning English. You're opinion doesn't hold up.
Posted by jdweymouth at 03:23 AM : Jun 05, 2007

The first part of this is just plain wrong. Our language is not degenerating, it is becoming a new language. It is evolving (as all living things do). The second part, that Hispanics are demanding that we learn their language, is an out and out filthy god-da*mn lie and either you know it or should. Just as every other wave of immigrants who have ever come here by the 2nd generation of them being here they speak English in public. By the 3th or 4th they speak it at home too. That IS the truth.

[jdweymouth]

Re: %u201CWe do NOT speak pure English in this country or even a dialect any longer. We speak a language that with each generation becomes more of a combination of different languages all of the time.%u201D

First of all, we do speak English. We are using the English alphabet to write, and are using English words. What you're talking about is nothing other than evolution within the English language, which provides for different dialects. You're right that we're not speaking pure English because it hasn't been pure since the Normans invaded Britain, and introduced the old French into the already Anglo/Saxon equation! And suggesting that English is not a language because it's made up of many languages is like saying that if you put many brands of flour in one package, you'll end up with something other than flour.

Re: "pidgin English"

The operative word being English.

We don speak English: the American dialect of English. We have spoken nothing else since this nation's birth.

P.S. If yoy think that Newsweek is conservative, then I don't know what you are. But, if you insist, substitute The Nation for Newsweek in my post.

[jdweymouth]

Re: "That is simply not possible in a nation of immigrants such as where we live and year after year, decade after decade, the language that is spoken in America gets less English all of the time. The language spoken here a hundred years ago is distinctly different then what is spoken today and a hundred years from know it'll contain many more non-English words. It'll become more pidgin all of the time.%u201D

It will degenerate more and more, but that doesn't mean that it will turn to a different language. You're mistaking degeneration for language shifts: that's not true because when immigrants have come to the US in the past, they have taken the trouble to learn English, and therefore English has not been influenced by other languages in that way. The Hispanics are the first immigrants demanding that we learn Spanish instead of them learning English. You're opinion doesn't hold up.

[randalds]

No language is completely pure. My point is that English has not been influenced by immigrants
Posted by jdweymouth at 03:08 AM : Jun 05, 2007

ENGLISH has not (well, not as much as American has), but we do not speak English in the US! We USED to speak English, but we speak pidgin English now and it's getting more so with each generation and as each wave of immigrants add their words to our language. To say our language has not been influenced by immigrants and their languages is just plain ridiculous!

Oh and I don't read Newsweek as it' too far to the right. I read The Nation when I want a good magazine.

[randalds]

http://www.independentcalifornia.com/


Free the Bear! An independent California (with Arnie as our first president) would mean that those of us out here in the land of normal folks wouldn't have to care about what the rednecks and red states think about immigration. Besides were not only already bilingual out here, we're multi-multi-lingual! I can walk into the local grocery store on Sunset and here four or five different languages and that's just from the people who work there! And the food! OMG! The deli's and bakeries and restaurants alone make any relatively minor problems with immigration seem tiny. California is an Immigrant state. How nice it would be if it were an independent immigrant nation. You know, like America USED to be!

[jdweymouth]

Re: "And how long did it take you to Google all of that? Wow! Such intelligence! What a brilliant person who knows how to look things up on the internet and then pretend to have known them all along. Or did god reveal it to you like everything else?"

Actually, I knew it all along because I read books (no, and I don't mean Newsweek).

God may not have told me those facts I knew already, but I'm sure He helped me spell out my point.

Re: "What I said was an opinion moron and if you had been paying attention you would have realized it. Suggesting that American english (as you did) is not a bastardized language just proves that you're a language snob like your arch enemies the French who have a government agency to keep their language "pure"."

I realize it was an opinion. That's why I used the word "suggestion" when referring to your statement.

Not any where in my post did I deny that English was a mixture of languages. That was the point of listing the different types of languages: all languages have degenerated. English is a badly degenerated language (the works of Shakespear represent its golden age). No language is completely pure. My point is that English has not been influenced by immigrants

[randalds]

Posted by jdweymouth at 02:14 AM : Jun 05, 2007

And how long did it take you to Google all of that? Wow! Such intelligence! What a brilliant person who knows how to look things up on the internet and then pretend to have known them all along. Or did god reveal it to you like everything else?

What I said was an opinion moron and if you had been paying attention you would have realized it. Suggesting that American english (as you did) is not a bastardized language just proves that you're a language snob like your arch enemies the French who have a government agency to keep their language "pure". That is simply not possible in a nation of immigrants such as where we live and year after year, decade after decade, the language that is spoken in America gets less English all of the time. The language spoken here a hundred years ago is distinctly different then what is spoken today and a hundred years from know it'll contain many more non-English words. It'll become more pidgin all of the time. We do NOT speak pure English in this country or even a dialect any longer. We speak a language that with each generation becomes more of a combination of different languages all of the time.

[jdweymouth]

RandaIDS;

You're an idiot. American English is a dialect of English as is Australian, and British English. It's not "separate". We have different words for some things, and different accents but that just proves different dialects: not different languages.

Suggesting that American English is not a language because it's a mixture of many languages just proves what an ignorant slob you are. Within the Indo-European family there are two main groups: Romance and Germanic. Spanish, Portuguese, French, Italian, ect are Romance languages influenced primarily by Latin; then there are the Germanic languages influenced by proto-German languages of the barbarian tribes, these are: English, Scandanivian languages, Dutch, German, and others. As you can see, English itself (not just the American dialect) is made up of many different languages that influenced the original old English making a new language: modern English. English accents haven't been prevailent in the America's since the 17th century so the American dialect actually began long before the revolution.

My point is that English is a language, the same language that is spoken in England (despite accent, and small vocabulary variations), the vast majority of Americans speak it, business in government is conducted in English, the media is in English, road signs are in English, and you must know how to read and write it to graduate from school. It's the language of the US, and it came from the US's Anglo-Saxon heritage.

[randalds]

A CBS News/New York Times poll found that 62 percent believe illegal immigrants who have lived and worked in the U.S. for at least two years should have a chance to apply for legal status.


I'm one of the 62%, but I don't really support this bill and won't unless they drop the idea of a fine and the returning to them home country before coming back. They won't do either anyway so having those in the bill will just keep the undocumented workers who are already here underground. That and it's just away for some supporters not to call it an amnesty. I say drop those requirements and use the word amnesty and then I'll support it. I have no problem with either the word amnesty or the idea.

[standlee5]

A CBS News/New York Times poll found that 62 percent believe illegal immigrants who have lived and worked in the U.S. for at least two years should have a chance to apply for legal status.


I don't understand this poll because I haven't talked to a single solitary soul who supports this except my lame Dem senator.

[nottellin1]

Want a real eye opener? Her is the link to thge 1986 immigration bill:

http://www.oig.lsc.gov/legis/irca86.htm

Ack!

[randalds]

The point (which, not surprisingly, whizzed right over your head) is that American English is a bastardized language made up of tens of thousands of words from hundreds of different languages and it's changing all of the time. Every time a new group of immigrants come to America they bring along hundreds of words that become commonly used in our language (usually starting with food names and then spreading out from there), so to even hint (as you have) that there is some sort of pure language that we speak here is ludicrous. Our of all of the languages in the world, American English is the most impure. It's not even really English any longer, at least not as is spoken in England and it's getting further away from English everyday. American English is not any other language or even it's own language, as much as it is many other languages combined.

[jdweymouth]

RandaIDS;

So? All languages have a common origin, but that doesn't mean they're all the same. That's why their called languages: origin doesn't matter. As a matter of fact, Spanish and English come from different groups; Spanish is a Romance language; English is a Germanic language. English has roots from Greek, Latin, German, Old French, and Old English; but they're all different.

Would you want to be on a battlefield where all of your comrades spoke different languages? Would you want to be fire fighter in the same scenario?

Your point is irrelevant. Downright idiotic.