King And Salazar Face Off Over Immigration

(CBS)  The issue of immigration is turning Democrats against Democrats and Republicans against Republicans.

But while battle lines in Washington are being drawn over the immigration reform bill, polls show the American people are less alarmed. A CBS News/New York Times poll found that 62 percent believe illegal immigrants who have lived and worked in the U.S. for at least two years should have a chance to apply for legal status.

Sunday on Face The Nation, Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., said the bill supported by President Bush will essentially give amnesty to illegal immigrants while Sen. Ken Salazar, D-Colo., said the bill finally offers a solution to the problem of illegal immigration.

King said the bill would allow all of the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants living the United States to become legal within 24 hours. King said the he did not want to deport the illegal aliens currently in the U.S., but he said that enforcing current immigration laws would be a better solution.

"Don't give amnesty to illegal immigrants. Go after the workplace. Go after the employers who are hiring illegal immigrants," King told Bob Schieffer. "That will result in voluntary deportation. And then we can come back in three or four years. If the border is secure, if illegal immigration has been stopped, and if we've gone after the workplaces, then we can address the remaining illegal immigrants who are here."

"On the substantive issue which Congressman King raises relative to amnesty, nothing could be further from the truth," Salazar said. "They're going to be here legally, but they're going to have a whole huge number of issues that are going to burden them during the eight year time frame that they're here."

Salazar said the bill making its way through Congress actually strengthens the borders with a doubling of border patrol officers and 370 miles of fencing. Most importantly, it deals with the problem of keeping track of 12 million undocumented workers, he said.

"How are you going to round up 12 million human beings, all of them with hearts and souls, most of them are hard-working people here in America, and ship them out?" Salazar said. "And essentially, those who are in Representative King's camp are people who don't want to find a solution to this very fundamental problem of the 21st century here in America."

Salazar said that he expects the reform bill to pass both the House and Senate and that the president will sign it into law.

"I think the president has worked in a true bipartisan spirit here," Salazar said. "He's rolled up his sleeves, and he's worked very, very hard on getting this thing through."

King said he plans on introducing his own bill in the coming weeks.

"This bill is worse than the current law," he said. "It sets the wrong precedent, it's the wrong thing to do."

[randalds]

RandaIDS;

Those words have existed in the English language long before immigration. Once again, your idiotic opinion is not tenable.

'nuff said.
Posted by jdweymouth at 06:58 AM : Jun 05, 2007

Bullsh*it, not here in the US. If you're trying to say that the Pilgrims came over here and already knew what a Pizza or Taco or even an extravaganza or a picnic was, then I'm telling you you're either an ignorant as*shole or a liar. Your choice dumbas*s.

No matter how you tap dance around it, the American language is, has been and will continue to be influenced and changed by the waves of immigrants who have, are and continue to come here. To say otherwise is pure stupidity. It's evolving, just like people are. Thank Darwin!

[jdweymouth]

RandaIDS;

Those words have existed in the English language long before immigration. Once again, your idiotic opinion is not tenable.

'nuff said.

[coffeehead-2009]

American - ahh, I LOVE it.




THEY SAID: Bummed as a fiddlestick!

WE SAY: Really bored!


THEY SAID: Cuttin' up.

WE SAY: Joking around.


THEY SAID: Happy as a clam suckin sand!

WE SAY: I'm happy.


THEY SAID: He is pulling your leg

WE SAY: He is teasing you


THEY SAID: I could chew nails, and *** tacks.

WE SAY: Extremely agitated.


THEY SAID: I kicked the slats outta the cradle laughing at that one!!!

WE SAY: Heard that joke before...it was funny then.


THEY SAID: I raised Hell and put a chunk under it!

WE SAY: I was quite angry


THEY SAID: If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

WE SAY: Get serious.


THEY SAID: I'll kick your *** in to next week

WE SAY: You're in trouble!


THEY SAID: I'm about to cloud up and rain all over you!

WE SAY: Look out! You are making me mad!


THEY SAID: I'm as mad as spit on a griddle.

WE SAY: I'm extremely angry.


THEY SAID: I'm so mad I could spit tacks!

WE SAY: I'm very angry.


THEY SAID: Keep your britches on.

WE SAY: Be patient.


THEY SAID: Keep your shirt on!

WE SAY: Don't get so excited!

[randalds]

'Nuff said and good night.

[randalds]

Italian; balcony, bravura, crescendo, dado, dilettante, extravaganza, granite, grotto, incognito, influenza, lava, martello, oboe, opera, pianoforte, quartet, regatta, semolina, sirocco, solo, sonata, soprano, terracotta, ultramarine.

Dutch; commodore, easel, gas, Hottentot, hustle, kink, maulstick, morass, ogle, roster, skate, sketch, sloop, smack, splice, taffrail, tattoo, trigger, yacht.

Spanish%u2014castanet, cigar, flotilla, garrotte, guerrilla, junto, quadroon, regalia (cigar), sambo, sierra, siesta; to Portuguese%u2014albatross, cobra, dodo, emu, joss, palaver, verandah, zebra; to German%u2014feldspar, gneiss, kriegspiel, lager, mangel-wurzel%u2014poodle, plunder, quartz, swindler, waltz, zeitgeist, zinc.

Russian; drosky, knout, mammoth, samovar, steppe.

[randalds]

Following your "logic" that means that there are no Spanish, Italian, Dutch, German, French, etc words in our language?

French; avalanche, badinage, bagatelle, barracks, bivouac, bronze, buccaneer, burlesque, chauffeur, chicane, cockade, cutlet, debouch, decamp, dragoon, echelon, embarrass, ******, gala, glacier, hangar, isolation, lampoon, levee, moraine, mystify, naove, ogre, oxygen, parachute, parasol, parade, parvenu, picnic, piston, prude, quadrille, ration, ricochet, roui, rouge (cosmetic), routine, sash (of window), siance, solidarity, sobriquet, souffli, souvenir, tableau, terrorism, trousseau, vaudeville, zouave.

[jdweymouth]

I can't believe that I'm being forced to argue that the language we're speaking is actually English.

[randalds]

It will degenerate more and more, but that doesn't mean that it will turn to a different language. You're mistaking degeneration for language shifts: that's not true because when immigrants have come to the US in the past, they have taken the trouble to learn English, and therefore English has not been influenced by other languages in that way. The Hispanics are the first immigrants demanding that we learn Spanish instead of them learning English. You're opinion doesn't hold up.
Posted by jdweymouth at 03:23 AM : Jun 05, 2007

The first part of this is just plain wrong. Our language is not degenerating, it is becoming a new language. It is evolving (as all living things do). The second part, that Hispanics are demanding that we learn their language, is an out and out filthy god-da*mn lie and either you know it or should. Just as every other wave of immigrants who have ever come here by the 2nd generation of them being here they speak English in public. By the 3th or 4th they speak it at home too. That IS the truth.

[jdweymouth]

Re: %u201CWe do NOT speak pure English in this country or even a dialect any longer. We speak a language that with each generation becomes more of a combination of different languages all of the time.%u201D

First of all, we do speak English. We are using the English alphabet to write, and are using English words. What you're talking about is nothing other than evolution within the English language, which provides for different dialects. You're right that we're not speaking pure English because it hasn't been pure since the Normans invaded Britain, and introduced the old French into the already Anglo/Saxon equation! And suggesting that English is not a language because it's made up of many languages is like saying that if you put many brands of flour in one package, you'll end up with something other than flour.

Re: "pidgin English"

The operative word being English.

We don speak English: the American dialect of English. We have spoken nothing else since this nation's birth.

P.S. If yoy think that Newsweek is conservative, then I don't know what you are. But, if you insist, substitute The Nation for Newsweek in my post.

[jdweymouth]

Re: "That is simply not possible in a nation of immigrants such as where we live and year after year, decade after decade, the language that is spoken in America gets less English all of the time. The language spoken here a hundred years ago is distinctly different then what is spoken today and a hundred years from know it'll contain many more non-English words. It'll become more pidgin all of the time.%u201D

It will degenerate more and more, but that doesn't mean that it will turn to a different language. You're mistaking degeneration for language shifts: that's not true because when immigrants have come to the US in the past, they have taken the trouble to learn English, and therefore English has not been influenced by other languages in that way. The Hispanics are the first immigrants demanding that we learn Spanish instead of them learning English. You're opinion doesn't hold up.