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3 More Lebanese Soldiers Killed In Offensive Against Al Qaeda-Inspired Militants
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Three more soldiers were killed and five wounded Saturday, military officials said, leaving the army with five dead and 15 wounded since the offensive began Friday.
The Lebanese air force joined tanks and artillery in pounding Islamic militant hideouts on the second day of an intensifying offensive. A French-made Gazelle helicopter fired two missiles and directed machine gun fire at suspected militant hideouts on the western edge of the Noah el-Bared camp near the Mediterranean coastline, in an apparent attempt to block any sea escape route.
It was the first time the army used its limited air force capability in the battle, signifying the intensity of the ground fighting. The army has helicopters, but no fixed wing aircraft.
Lebanese security officials said dozens of militants from the Fatah Islam group had been killed or wounded in the fighting since Friday, but the figure could not be independently verified, and a senior militant commander said only two fighters had been wounded since the fighting began.
Abu Hureira, deputy leader of Fatah Islam, conceded his fighters abandoned some positions in the northern end of the Nahr el-Bared camp in a "tactical" withdrawal. But he denied the army was advancing and vowed never to surrender, as the army again demanded Saturday.
"Morale was high. Let them come. We are ready," he said of the army, denying media reports that he and the leader, Shaker Youssef al-Absi were wounded. With the sound of firing clearly heard as he spoke, Abu Hureira said he was on the front line fighting off the army attack and al-Absi was safe in rear positions.
The army deaths raised to 37 the number of soldiers killed since fighting between the army and militants began on May 20. At least 20 civilians and about 60 militants had also been killed in the fighting before Friday's offensive. Civilian casualties could not be determined in the latest fighting since relief organizations were not allowed inside the camp.
But an official of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, one of the major Palestinian guerrilla factions which had stayed on the sidelines, said 17 people had been wounded in the camp and some 400 houses destroyed in the army shelling.
Many of the camp's roughly 40,000 Palestinian refugees have fled, but thousands are still thought to be caught in the cross-fire, reports CBS News correspondent Mark Phillips.
White smoke billowed from the Nahr el-Bared camp in northern Lebanon Saturday as the thud of artillery, mixed with machine gun and automatic rifle fire, rang out in the morning. A black plume of smoke rose at midmorning, but it was not clear what was burning. A lull prevailed during the night after heavy battles Friday, with the army firing flares to monitor militants' movements and sporadically exchanging fire with the gunmen.
But the renewed bombardment in the morning signaled the army's continued push against the militants. The offensive, which began Friday, was the heaviest fighting since violence broke out between the military and Fatah Islam militants nearly two weeks ago.
The situation on the ground could not be independently verified. Journalists were pushed far away from the military zone, and media reports were conflicting on the military's achievements the previous day.
The military announced Friday it responded to militants' fire by seizing positions on the outer ring of the camp that Fatah Islam had used to attack the army. But the heavy pounding and rush of armor into the camp indicated the military was determined to squeeze the militants, who retreated into the narrow, winding streets and apartment buildings inside the camp.
Security officials said Saturday that military units continued "mop up of pockets" of resistance on the outskirts of the camp and its perimeter. The officials said the organizational skeleton of the group had been destroyed and that some fighters had sought refuge inside the camp.
The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media, said Nahr el-Bared and its surrounding areas were divided into three zones, one under the effective control of the army, one held by the militants and a third zone controlled by civilians and Palestinian guerrilla factions refusing refuge to the militants.
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See all 92 CommentsEVEN AS AMERICAN MILITARY AID LANDS IN LEBANON, President Bush is funding Al Qaeda in Lebanon with funds from Iraq! http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/ar
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50 years of American involvement in the Middle East ENOUGH it has nothing worth one more American Life!
THE STATUE OF LIBERTY STANDS IN NEW YORK HARBOR AND IS NOT KNEELING IN THE MIDDLE EAST!
Luke 10:29 .....And who is my neighbour?
Was it the people in East Timor, where muslims have denied the massacre of 150,000 Christians?
Was it the Armenians, where muslims have claimed that the 1.5 million unarmed Christian families they slaughtered were fighting against thier 150,000 man army?
Or maybe the 250,000 Assyrians from modern day South East Turkey, who were also Christians?
Who is our neighbor, only the successful people we are willing to associate with, or is it those whom we help against the darkness of tyrants who would slaughter people for no other reason than thier greed for power?
Bush will be seen in this light in the future, after the cowards have withdrawn our forces from establishing true freedom in the ME, and we have been victimized by the tyrants of Islam right here in America.
So, let me get this straight: we SHOULD be in Iraq, because we are saving the helpless from the darkness of Islam, but the helpless also happen to be Muslim. Or is it just that Muslim tyrants are bad? Like the Saudi royal family that Bush regularly holds hands with? Or do you not consider kings to be tyrants?
Your post boarders on the non-sensical, pwrslm. It is not clear who you hate/are afraid of and who we are saving/protecting. Please reorganize your propaganda so it makes more sense.
Your post boarders on the non-sensical, pwrslm. It is not clear who you hate/are afraid of and who we are saving/protecting. Please reorganize your propaganda so it makes more sense.
Posted by edjohn66
Actually, the only thing non-sensical is your lack of depth in this issue. All those folks, who are denied any choice of religios preference, are not muslim because of the options they were given. The entire population at one time (before Islam) were all Christians.
Its well documented that a high percentage of Muslims would convert away from Islam if they were educated, and given the choice. Under Islam, if you are an apostate, they kill you.
As far as Bush goes, even he is giving these people a better chance than you are. You've already convicted them.
Sure it is. "Well documented", huh? A billion Muslims and most of them are forced.
I know your hatred of Islam has gotten you to the point of being completely hysterical with fear, but do you even read your own ridiculous posts?
Posted by pwrslm
to be frank, I'm more worried about being victimized by radical sufferers of islamofacist-phobia like yourself. your unbalanced views, stemming from a lack of knowledge and understanding exempify mass hysteria charactistics. Seek help!
As for Bushit - he'll be remembered alright - as a coward who avoided military service but had the "ballz" to send others off to war based on lies.
I know your hatred of Islam has gotten you to the point of being completely hysterical with fear, but do you even read your own ridiculous posts?
Posted by Rafterman1
About the only reply you actually deserve is that with your record of halfwitted ignorance is that I really dont care what you think you may know.
For anyone who actually cares though, there are plenty of facts readily available on the net.
Apostasy in Islam is punishable by death. This sentence is practiced wherever Muslims are in power and can practice it. In Iran many Baha%u2019is where executed because they changed religion. The Fatwas against Salman Rushdie, Taslima Nasrin and Anwar Sheikh are examples of that.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/apostasy.htm
In 1786, Thomas Jefferson, then U.S. ambassador to France, and John Adams, then American Ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the Dey%u2019s ambassador to Britain, in an attempt to negotiate a peace treaty based on Congress%u2019 vote of funding. To Congress, these two future presidents later reported the reasons for the Muslims%u2019 hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.
%u2026that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.
Sound familiar?
Thomas Jefferson and James Madison defeated the fascist nazi muslims 200 years ago
And again 100 years ago with Theodore Roosevelt
Tunisia in 1881 by France and Libya in 1911 by Italy. By then most of the Islamic world was under Christian domination. With the Ottoman Empire defeated in WW1, secularist Turkish rebels in 1923 overthrew the last Islamic Caliphate,
http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?6bdec278-6a71-4436-bc4d-29d1c54b0ad7
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The only group which we know of FOR SURE that use the cowardly terrorist tactic of "human shields" are the Israelis. They have a long standing chronic policy of using this tactic.
What's more, the Israelis regularly accuse their opponents of employing this tactic, if if this would somehow excuse their own atrocities.
The Israelis' own Supreme Court has formally banned the Israeli practice of using "human shields", but there is no indication that the Israelis have complied with this order.
www.adalah.org/newsletter/eng/oct05/1.php
For a look back at some of the Israeli war crimes and atrocities carried out against the people of Lebanon, in Isreal's failed war of aggression against that country last summer, please see the following film:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOpB1x5Qzyg
Should read: 'What's more, the Israelis regularly accuse their opponents of employing this tactic, (as) if this would somehow excuse their own atrocities.'
If they can kill us, we can kill them
Qaeda warns of attacks 'worse than 9/11'
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070530102648.wuwa6k96&show_article=1
Hizbullah Deputy Sec-Gen Sheikh Naim Qassem: We Have Jurisprudent Permission to Carry Out 'Martyrdom' Operations, Fire Missiles on Israeli Civilians From Ayatollah Khomeini
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD154907
Switching Sides: Inside The Enemy Camp
But then in 2000, well before his arrest, something happened which would make Abas question everything he believed in: a fatwa, a religious edict, was issued by Osama bin Laden.
"It should be understood that killing Americans and Jews anywhere found are the highest act of worship and the highest form of good deeds in the eyes of Allah," Simon quotes bin Laden.
Abas and his fellow commanders were ordered to read the fatwa to their men and make sure they carried it out. The others obeyed, but Abas refused. It was his moment of truth. He firmly believed that jihad was to be fought only on the battlefield in defense of Islam; he had always been taught that the killing of civilians had nothing to do with holy war and that it was forbidden.
The fatwa justified killing non-Muslim civilians everywhere.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/04/60minutes/main2761108.shtml?source=RSSattr=60Minutes_2761108
American Al Qaeda Member Threatens Attack
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/29/terror/main2865282.shtml
Re: "It's people like you that help keep the evil barbarism called radical Islam alive with your outright lies and fiction filled blather."
The failing welfare State of Israel has become a boil on the arse of humanity, and a tremendous liability to the people of the U.S., and it provides us with an excellent example of the perilous danger of basing a government on religion.
I am not religious, and it is far more likely that the war crimes, and atrocities of terror-States like Israel are responsible for the strength of 'radical Islam', as you put it.
If you can refute anything that I have posted, feel free to do so. If you cannot, then it would appear that you are the primary source of unfounded blather here. This should come as no surprise to anyone.
Re: "Where were you when the fighting broke out between Hezbolla and Israel."
Here, in the U.S. How is this relevant?
Re: "First of all their aggression was not against the people of Lebanon it was against the terrorist organization Hezbollah."
Sorry, the Israelis waged an unjustifiable collective punishment campaign against the people of Lebanon, destroying civilian infrastructure, and slaughtering more than 1,000 Lebanes civilians- mostly women and children. They also knowingly and intentionally executed 4 civilian U.N. observers, in addition to their many other war crimes and atrocities.
Re: "They fought back after how many thousands of rockets were fired upon them."
A grand total of ZERO rockets were fired from Lebanon, ahead of the recent unjustifiable Israeli war of aggression against Lebanon.
It looks like you are the one who is in need of review of the relevant facts on this topic.
Re: "Your just a Jew hating ***."
Wrong again. There are a great many Jewish people that I have tremendous admiration and respect for. Many Jewish people, both inside and outside of Iraq, have courageously opposed Israeli crimes and atrocities. Many IDF "refusenicks" have refused to participate in Israeli atrocities against the people of Palestine and elsewhere. Even in the Israeli war of aggression against the people of Lebanon last summer, we saw Israeli pilots, presumably Jews, intentionally 'missing' targets that they suspected to be civilians.
Many traditional orthodox Jews have openly criticised the very creation of Israel on stolen land. Again, these people have my admiration and support.
Re: "Go F#CK youself"
That is my favorite ******** Cheney quote.
Should read:
'Many Jewish people, both inside and outside of (Israel), have (and continue to) courageously oppose Israeli crimes and atrocities.
Please answer this simple question, or are you afraid?
Re: 'Secondly when just and compassionate countries like Israel and the U.S. attempt to fight this evil we try very hard to mitigate the collateral casualties while your brothers in terrorism purposely target the innocent civilians using any and all means.'
Your claim does not stand up to any level of scrutiny. For example, in Lebanon, the Israelis killed mostly civilians, mostly women and children, while Hezbullah fighters killed mostly Israeli military members.
Re: "Finally peace loving countries like Israel and the U.S. would quit this war..."
This is too absurd to respond to. The record speaks for itself.
RE: "FeelFree1, first of all, the (Islamic) terrorists you so vigorously defend entrench themselves and attack from population centers, mosques, schools, hospitals using these locations and the innocent civilians who preside there as shields."
Again, I am not religious, and I do not defend 'terrorists' of any stripe- Islamic, Israeli, U.S., or otherwise. What you have described is called 'urban guerilla warfare' and it is significantly different from the Israeli practice of using 'human shields', where they physically restrain/force innocent civilians into positions, which are between them and harm's way.
What's the difference? 'Urban guerilla warfare' is an effective tactic against an overwhelmingly more powerful conventional army, not specifically intended to jeopardize civilians. 'Human shields' describes the terrorist practice of intentionally physically placing civilians into harm's way, intentionally using them as shields in an effort to hide from danger. This is what the Israelis have routinely done, as proven beyond any shadow of a doubt, before their own Supreme Court.
Re: "Feelfree1, do you also believe the world should convert to Islam or face death like your murderous brethren?"
I believe that I have already addressed this. I am not religious, and do not support the murder of anyone. Self-defense in the face of a brutal and criminal aggressor, on the other hand, is always justified, as was/is the case with the Lebanese resistance and the Palestinian resistance against the Israelis, and of course the Afghan and Iraqi resistance against the U.S.-led atrocities in those countries.
why do you evade issues and sidestep the truth?
in reality, muslims in palestine are teaching thier children that the jews drink the blood of muslim children, which is a lie
they also teach children to worship martyrdom over the sanctity of life, which has nothing to do with God, but is the tool of satan
why dont you tell us how God sent Jesus to the world with a message that said if we are stricken, offer the other cheek, yet mohammad contradicted Jesus, and all the other prophets, by actively promoting war with anyone who did not agree with him?
why is it that mohammads followers have followed the example of mohammad, and stolen the lands of dozens of peoples, and destroyed thier heritage, only to replace it with the lies mohammad told?
tell us directly feelfree1, what its like to be decieved, your not free, your in bondage to satan.
why do you evade issues and sidestep the truth?
in reality, muslims in palestine are teaching thier children that the jews drink the blood of muslim children, which is a lie
they also teach children to worship martyrdom over the sanctity of life, which has nothing to do with God, but is the tool of satan
why dont you tell us how God sent Jesus to the world with a message that said if we are stricken, offer the other cheek, yet mohammad contradicted Jesus, and all the other prophets, by actively promoting war with anyone who did not agree with him?
why is it that mohammads followers have followed the example of mohammad, and stolen the lands of dozens of peoples, and destroyed thier heritage, only to replace it with the lies mohammad told?
tell us directly feelfree1, what its like to be decieved, your not free, your in bondage to satan.
Posted by feelfree1
Wake up, guerilla warfare is between two opposing armies, its not slaughtering innocent civilians
the truth is, its properly called murder of the innocents when some fools child walks into a Disco full of teenagers and detonates a homicide bomb to kill unarmed civilians who are no threat to anyone
your cheese is moldy you ole ***, you dont have a leg to stand on
even Bushs United States of Israel! He is sending money to both sides for GODs sakes!
WE HAVE BEEN DRAWN INTO THE MIDDLE EAST AND IRAQ OUTSIDE AMERICAN NATIONAL INTEREST!
Bush and Cheney their Entire Administration, Israeli NEOCONS TOO, and put them on trial for War Crimes just like we did the Nazis after WWII.
CHECK OUT THOSE REPRESENTATIVES THAT VOTE FOR THE WAR! If you follow the money trail you will find that most of those elected officials who support the war in Iraq are under the influence of AIPAC. AN ISRAELI POLITICAL LOBBY GROUP!
HERE ARE SOME OF AIPAC DEMOCRATIC SUPPORTERS! CONTACT THEM!
Levin, Carl- (D - MI)
Class II
269 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-6221
Web Form: levin.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm
St
eny Hoyer
http://hoyer.house.gov/contact/
READ AIPAC BRAG ABOUT THEIR INFLUENCE ON AMERICAN POLITICIANS!
http://www.aipac.org/for
ms/join_aipacClubs.htm
REMEMBER THE AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE IS RUN BY PRO ISRAELI GROUP! THEY ARE THE ONES WHO CAME UP WITH THIS SURGE IDEA!
EVEN AS AMERICAN MILITARY AID LANDS IN LEBANON, President Bush is funding Al Qaeda in Lebanon with funds from Iraq! http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/ar
ticles/070305fa_fact_hersh
50 years of American involvement in the Middle East ENOUGH it has nothing worth one more American Life!
THE STATUE OF LIBERTY STANDS IN NEW YORK HARBOR AND IS NOT KNEELING IN THE MIDDLE EAST!
The militiamen don't meet the requirements set down in the Geneva Accords (I think it is sec. 4.2 or 4.4, but I don't have the 1949 text in front of me). No responsible command structure; don't wear uniforms or badges distinguishable at a distance; don't carry arms openly; don't refrain from war crimes (such as deliberate attacks on civilians to spread panic).
THE STATUE OF LIBERTY STANDS IN NEW YORK HARBOR AND IS NOT KNEELING IN THE MIDDLE EAST!
Posted by bluestardad
Aye, you are still the same old selfish pig that was here this morning. Nothing is worth anything if it has no honor, eh bluestardud?
Who's your neighbor? I dont think many people would want that distinction...
This is evident how you select some facts, and completely ignore others. In this manner you lie to yourself.
You lie to yourself and think its truth as much as your murderous brethren. How can you support organizations that murder and torture innocent men, women and children? How can you support those organizations who have murdered more people in the last five years than all the major countries combined?
Re: "in reality, muslims in palestine are teaching thier children that the jews drink the blood of muslim children, which is a lie"
Even if true, this would be no more shocking than the known and proven atrocities of Israeli extremists.
Re: "they also teach children to worship martyrdom over the sanctity of life, which has nothing to do with God, but is the tool of satan'
Not unlike most any organized religion, in my opinion. The Israelis teach similar hate-filled lessons to their children regarding Muslims.
Re: "Wake up, guerilla warfare is between two opposing armies, its not slaughtering innocent civilians"
You are mistaken. It is usually between an overwhelmingly more powerful conventional army, and the armed resistance of a determined population. At any rate, it is distinctly different from the use of 'human shields'.
The use of 'human shields' by a guerilla resistance is usually a useless tactic, since criminal aggressors typically demonstrate no concern for the well-being of innocent civilians, as we have seen in Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, Viet Nam, etc.
"For example,in Lebanan, Israeli's killed mostly cilivians, mostly women and children, while Hezbullah fighters killed mostly Israeli military members."
The Hezbullah were hidding among the civilians, and there were no Israeli civilians fighting Hezbullah, so that's why Israeli deaths were mostly military members.
I guess the thousands of rockets Hezbullah fired into Israli cities was an OK thing to do.
They still havn't released the soldiers they kidnapped or disarmed like they were suppose to do after the cease fire.
WE HAVE BEEN DRAWN INTO IRAQ AND THE MIDDLE EAST OUTSIDE AMERICAN NATIONAL INTEREST THERE IS NOTHING WE NEED OVER THERE EVER!
This IS proven and America can and should arrest Bush and Cheney their Entire Administration, Israeli NEOCONS TOO, and put them on trial for War Crimes just like we did the Nazis after WWII.
CHECK OUT THOSE REPRESENTATIVES THAT VOTE FOR THE WAR! If you follow the money trail you will find that most of those elected officials who support the war in Iraq are under the influence of AIPAC. AN ISRAELI POLITICAL LOBBY GROUP!
HERE ARE SOME OF AIPAC DEMOCRATIC SUPPORTERS! CONTACT THEM!
Levin, Carl- (D - MI)
269 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-6221
Web Form: levin.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm
Steny Hoyer
http://hoyer.house.gov/contact/
READ AIPAC BRAG ABOUT THEIR INFLUENCE ON AMERICAN POLITICIANS!
http://www.aipac.org/for
ms/join_aipacClubs.htm
REMEMBER THE AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE IS RUN BY PRO ISRAELI GROUP! THEY ARE THE ONES WHO CAME UP WITH THIS SURGE IDEA!
EVEN AS AMERICAN MILITARY AID LANDS IN LEBANON, President Bush is funding Al Qaeda in Lebanon with funds from Iraq!
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/ar
ticles/070305fa_fact_hersh
50 years of American involvement in the Middle East ENOUGH it has nothing worth one more American Life!
THE STATUE OF LIBERTY STANDS IN NEW YORK HARBOR AND IS NOT KNEELING IN THE MIDDLE EAST!
Re: 'How can you support organizations that murder and torture innocent men, women and children?'
Like the CIA? Mossad? the IDF? the disgraceful U.S.-led military invasions of Iraq? Afghanistan? I do not support these organizations and efforts. This should be obvious.
Re: "How can you support those organizations who have murdered more people in the last five years than all the major countries combined?"
The illegitimate butchers and traitors of the Bush regime are responsible for the violent deaths of around 1 million Iraqis alone, since seizing power.
I have no idea what you are basing your erronious claim on. Due you have a reference for your assertion?
Re: "They still havn't released the soldiers they kidnapped or disarmed like they were suppose to do after the cease fire."
Why should they? The Israelis have still not released the thousands of Arab prisoners, sitting in their jails, incluiding children, without any due process. The Israelis still have not payed any reparations or been held accountable for their war crimes and atrocities. There is no logical reason to release these soldiers under the circumstances.
By the way, active duty soldiers, by definition, cannot be 'kidnapped', only 'captured'. I would not expect that I would need to explain this to a Marine.
Re: 'The Hezbullah were hidding among the civilians, and there were no Israeli civilians fighting Hezbullah, so that's why Israeli deaths were mostly military members.'
The Israeli casualties were primarily military casualties because that's what was targetted. The Lebanese casualties were mostly civilians, because this is what was primarily targetted by the Israelis, including the 4 U.N. civilian observers which were knowingly and intentionally executed by the Israelis.
Re: "I guess the thousands of rockets Hezbullah fired into Israli cities was an OK thing to do."
The Israelis overwhelmingly supported the illegal war of aggression against the people of Lebanon. I have no sympathy for Israelis that supported this atrocious act. Unfortunately, most of the Israeli civilian casualties were Arabs, since the Israeli Theocrats failed to provide equal protection to non-Jewish Israelis during this conflict.
You state the Americans are responsible for killing one million Iraqis. This is an out right lie. Who pulled the trigger on these one million innocents - the terrorist and secular murderous organizations, that's who.
Again you lie to yourself and thus cannot see any real truths.
Re: "Feelfree,
You state the Americans are responsible for killing one million Iraqis. This is an out right lie."
According to the best available estimate, published in the Lancet Journal, last October, the mid-range estimate of excess violent Iraqi deaths since the beginning of the fraud-based illegal invasion, was 655,000- including more than 200,000 Iraqis directly killed by U.S. led forces. The Bush regime is responsible for EVERY SINGLE ONE of these excess violent deaths. That is one of the downsides of illegally invading another country.
Since this study was published, the violence has only increased, so we can safely conclude that the brutal and illegal U.S.-led invasion has claimed the lives of 1 million Iraqis.
In addition, some 4 million Iraqis have been displaced from their homes. There is no estimate available of how many million Iraqis have been humiliated, imprisoned, maimed, tortured, soddomized, and/or raped by U.S. agents, but we can be certain that this is not a figure to be proud of.
Re: "FeelFree1, obviously you are a brainwashed jihadist who actually beleives the lies the Imam's have fed you."
I have already explained to you that I am not religious, but you seem incapable of getting this through your head.
I consider all organized religions to be potentially dangerous, especially when they are involved in politics.
At the moment, the Jews and the Christian-Zionists appear to be doing the majority of the killing, torturing, etc., and it is the secular and religious fascists who have seized power in the U.S., and are in the process of destroying everything in this country worth defending.
Posted by FeelFree1 at 05:22 PM : Jun 01, 2007
Reality is obviously out of your grasp.
Seek professional help immediately.
Though I'm not Jewish and don't like people such as Sharon and Olmert, because of your postings I'm going to look up AIPAC and send them $100, if they'll take it from a goy. Don't ever feel that your words have no effect. I urge everyone (including Muslims)disgusted by your defense of Muslim war crimes and your "blame the Jews" campaign to do the same.
P.S. Correction to an earlier post; Fourth Geneva Convention (1949) 4,A.2 for the rules militias and volunteer forces must follow to receive Geneva protections
Re: "Dear Bluestardad and FeelFree1,
"Though I'm not Jewish and don't like people such as Sharon and Olmert, because of your postings I'm going to look up AIPAC and send them $100,"
Suit yourself, but if you give your contribution directly to the Clinton or Giuliani campaigns, you can avoid having your donation watered down by administrative costs.
If they had their druthers, they'd fight along with the Qaedists in that camp. Sickening really, because blue star's kiddie is supposedly fighting for the U.S. in Afghanistan.
"The Israelis overwhelmingly supported the illegal war of aggression against the people of Lebanan."
The war was againest Hezballoh, a militia inside a sovereign country.
"Unfortunately, most of the Israli civilian casualties were Arabs,"
Maybe when Hezballoh is randemly fireing rockets at cities, they should aim better.
"By the way, active duty soldiers, by definition, cannot be 'kidnapped,' only 'captured.'
If you have a declared war, it would be captured. When there is no war and the ememy crosses into your country, ambushes and kills, and take soldiers back with them, that's kidnapping.
We are getting no where with this; have a good night.
Re: "If they had their druthers, they'd fight along with the Qaedists in that camp."
I can speak for myself, and I don't think that I would ever select you as my spokesman.
You must have an extremely weak position if you have to resort to a straw-man, and personal smears in your effort to prop up your argument.
and thank you for your service to our nation, well, perhaps not Feelfree's - as feel free really is feeljihadi.
This *** has constantly spewed anti-Semitic garbage on this cbs site. To defend Hizbullah, Fatah al Islam, Qaeda, Hamas is nothing new to this varmint. Heck, he's also defended Ahmedinejedad.
Anything to blame Israel - or the United States.
Since feeljihadi loves the roaches so much, maybe we should all chip in and get him a one-way ticket to Gaza or Tehran. He'd be much happier there.
Re: "The war was againest Hezballoh, a militia inside a sovereign country."
That was/is the Israeli claim. The reality is that the Israelis afflicted the people of Lebanon with widespread collective punishment in an illegal war of aggression.
Good night. Thanks for the discussion.
Hizbullah for what is left of your brain cell's info, was and is Syria and Iran's proxy in Lebanon. All of the Christian militias were disarmed after Syria's brutal occupation of Lebanon in October 1990 - however they kept one intact - Hizbullah. Why? Because Nasrallah would constantly do their bidding.
The Lebanese Army was too weak and the government too afraid of Syria to do anything about it. However most Lebanese are grateful that Israel gave it a drubbing last year - they only wish it was permanent.
If you love them so much, go join the roaches.
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