June 3, 2007
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In Iowa on Tuesday, when Senator Barack Obama gave a speech about health care, he started by introducing Amy Chicos and telling her story. It seems that Amy and her husband, Lane, run a small business providing broadband Internet access to their small town. Twenty years ago, Lane was diagnosed with cancer — and ended up losing a lung, a leg bone, and part of his hip. He's in complete remission now, which is the good news. But, as a cancer survivor, he has sky high insurance premiums. The Chicos now pay 40 percent of their income for health insurance. They struggle to pay for the basic necessities, like food and gas. They have no savings, either — just huge credit card debt and the prospect of bankruptcy looming in the near future.
After recounting this saga, Obama suggested that "This is not who we are. And this is not who we have to be." He then proceeded to unveil a plan designed to help the Chicos and the millions of other Americans who face financial hardship because of medical bills — by reducing the cost of medicine and by helping people to pay for insurance.
Exactly how many people would he help and by how much? Is his proposed scheme the best possible way to achieve that? Those are two important questions, but before we get to them let's step back for a moment.
In the context of a primary campaign, with policy proposals flying left and right, it's easy to forget the simple message all voters should take away — particularly if Barack Obama really does end up as the Democratic nominee for president. That message is this: He thinks it's wrong that people have to go through what the Chicos have gone through. He thinks society has an obligation to fix that problem. And he's got a plan that would help accomplish this.
These are all good things — and, at least relative to whatever Republican he runs against in 2008, they more than recommend him for the job.
Still, it is not November 2008 yet. It's May 2007 — at the early stages of the presidential primaries, when we have the luxury of deciding between multiple candidates. And, while proposals like these are not the sole basis on which to make decisions about who we would like our parties to nominate, they offer us a lot of valuable insights.
Indeed, when evaluating a health care proposal like the one Obama put out on Tuesday, the plan's details matter most for what they tell us about the candidate who settled upon them. All policy decisions require making trade-offs. So what trade-offs has the candidate made? What does that reveal about his priorities and political instincts? What can we discern about his management style? And does the package as a whole suggest this is somebody who knows how to sell an idea? Here is where the verdict on Obama's plan — or, more accurately, Obama — is mixed.
The best thing you can say about his plan is that he places a great deal of emphasis on actually making medical care less expensive by eliminating waste. His initiatives for doing this — like stressing disease management, investing in information technology, and creating an independent institute to evaluate the effectiveness of treatments — are detailed and well-thought out. This reflects, among other things, the fact that Obama has surrounded himself with some of the leading experts in this field, like economist David Cutler and physician David Blumenthal.
But what about his approach to expanding coverage? From afar, it looks a lot like the plan already put forth by former Senator John Edwards. Rather than provide all Americans with basic insurance from the government — the way a single-payer system would — Obama has opted to leave current health insurance arrangements in place.
His plan assumes that most people who already have private health insurance will hold onto that coverage. As for the people who don't have insurance — or might lose it sometime in the future — Obama would offer several alternatives. Some people would qualify for coverage under expanded safety-net programs like Medicaid. Others would have the opportunity to buy coverage through a new purchasing pool that Obama would create, choosing between closely regulated private insurance plans or a new, government-run program that Obama would offer as an alternative. (Small businesses could also buy into the government-run plan.) Along the way, Obama would throw in subsidies — a lot of them, as a matter of fact — to help people who struggle with medical bills pay for their insurance.
This is all fine and good. There's an undeniable political logic to increasing coverage this way: You're telling people who don't have insurance they'll finally have a realistic chance to get it. And you're telling people who do have health insurance they don't have to feel threatened in any way — they'll get to keep what they already have, only it will be cheaper (because of all the money Obama would save through new efficiencies).
But there are some differences between what Obama and Edwards have proposed. And by far the biggest, most important one is the fact that Edwards has a "mandate" in his plan: He would require every single American to get insurance. That means his plan is truly "universal." Obama says he, too, is committed to covering everybody by 2012. And he has a mandate that all children get insurance. But there is no similar mandate on adults. There is, in other words, no requirement that every adult American have health insurance. And that means his plan is not universal — at least not in the same sense that Edwards and his advisers mean it.
Why does this matter? Obama's advisers, for what it's worth, think it doesn't. Not much, anyway. They believe that their initiative will help cover most Americans within two or three years.
By Jonathan Cohn
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This was in the 90's.
But the upshot of the study was that, yes, a single payer insurance pool could easily meet the needs of all Americans' health care. The downside (from a business standpoint) was that is wasn't all that profitable. It wouldn't operate at a loss, but it presented a profit opportunity akin to some public utilities (think the electric company- which in most areas is not allowed to make a huge margin).
And there is the real problem... If companies are forced to insure everyone... they will take a large hit in the area of profits. And they like their profits.
Posted by omega39 at 09:56 AM : Jun 03, 2007
If you go and try to purchase health insurance NOW, the insurance companies not only check your present health. They will look at your credit history and interview your neighbors for your life style. They go way beyond CHERRY PICKING.
The reason we have Social Security is you can't count on employers. Just look how employers are taking advantage of illegal immigration now. PS - Social Security works if the elected officials would keep their fingers out of it.
1. Publicly funded single payer (like the rest of the developed world).
2. Privately funded (the same as we have now with more regulation).
The Healthcare Industrial Complex naturally wants to maintain the status quo.
Unfortunately, because of the amount of money required to run for president, Barrack had to sell out to big business. It%u2019s sad.
Obama doesn't represent most citizens on many items of consern. Most legal citizens want illegal aliens deported, and anyone that hires them fined and jailed. No Amnesty.
We want someone that has solutions for our problems both inside the country and out.
Obama jsut seems to have no solutions, just complaints.
As someone from Illinois once said: "Where's Obama?"
Obama doesn't represent most citizens on many items of consern. Most legal citizens want illegal aliens deported, and anyone that hires them fined and jailed. No Amnesty.
We want someone that has solutions for our problems both inside the country and out.
Obama jsut seems to have no solutions, just complaints.
As someone from Illinois once said: "Where's Obama?"
I sounds like you%u2019ve bought into the insurance industry lie that healthcare costs are so high because of lawsuits. Checkout this link.
http://www.centerjd.org/private/mythbuster/MB_medical_malpractice.htm
I sounds like you%u2019ve bought into the insurance industry lie that healthcare costs are so high because of lawsuits. Checkout this link.
http://www.centerjd.org/private/mythbuster/MB_medical_malpractice.htm
It sounds like you%u2019ve bought into the insurance industry lie that healthcare costs are so high because of lawsuits. Checkout this link
http://www.centerjd.org/private/mythbuster/MB_medical_malpractice.htm
Don't want to get into dueling statistics as we can both come up with numbers to fit our needs all day. But, I appreciate your point of view. And, an issue with tort reform is that there needs to be a heavy check on unscrupulous companies. That being said, here are a few "lies, d@mn lies, and statistics" going the other way: "Medical malpractice liability -- the "tort tax" on doctors and hospitals -- costs the average American family of four more than $3,300 a year, according to a Tillinghast-Towers Perrin study in 2003." and "Defensive medicine inflates health care costs by encouraging unnecessary procedures and referrals that doctors and hospitals prescribe in order to limit their exposure to future litigation." Not saying it is _the_ factor, just a factor. My point was more economic, i.e., higher insurance costs for goods and services negatively impacts the supply of goods and services, ergo that pushes prices higher.
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=3047
I tried to go to your link and got %u201Cweb site not found%u201D. I looked up Tillinghast-Towers Perrin and discovered they are a health insurance company.
My point is that the reason healthcare costs are so high is not because of lawsuits.
Insurance companies would like to create the false impression that it is because of lawsuits.
How can the government regulate the prices charged for mandatory insurance, if the private companies know the consumer has no choice? Is anyone stupid enough to think prices will not be colluded and fixed?
here is a better way:
1. subsidize med school for top students, require a two to four year period of work in the public system for a middle standard living wage as repayment.
2. use "sin taxes", i.e., tobacco, alcohol, firearms, gambling and marijuana to pay for the construction and maintenance of public hospitals.
3. set controlled pricing standards for procedures at the public hospitals, to pressure private health care prices.
4. return the money diverted from social security for military mismanagement back to the treasury.
Any takers?
My main point was that there are 12-20 million illegal aliens in the country and many are part of the 40+ million uninsured. Subsidizing their care contributes to the cost of health care for everyone. For example, 2004 uncompensated cost of medical care for illegal aliens in California was $1.4 billion.
5. use the power of eminent domain to obtain drugs considered necessary to protect the public health, such as AIDS treatments, flu and other contagious disease vaccines, and in future, grant non renewable patents for maximum five years for any new medicinal formulations.
Oh yeah, and also;
6. take MS Windows XP and XP64 to public domain, let Microsoft keep Vista. this alone will save billions in software licensing costs to the government.
Also even if tomorrow all the illegals went home, do you think that the health care industry won't simply mark up the already unaffordable prices, and cut other corners to make up for the diminished income they once used to bill to the state, or to the feds? These corporations, after all, have to maintain profits, or the stock value drops, and the CEO salaries become even more ludicrous than they already are.
I find a somewhat one sided logic in your postings, as if the government and the private corporations can do no wrong, and that the problems are caused only by the poor, you seem to shrug off government and corporate corruption as if it were a minor thing, when it is the single major cause of the mess that is US health care, next to which the cost of illegal aliens is but pocket change.
Now compare it to how much the government diverted from the supposedly "untouchable" social security, and medicare programs to fund military pork, such as the osprey and other cancelled multi billion dollar wastes of money, and lets include the Middle East military misadventure (35b per month!), much of which was kicked back into the pockets of the politicians who voted for the diversions? Check the numbers, you will see what I mean.
Do you think that Bush proposed raising the age of retirement by 7 years out of concern for the elderly unemployed, or because he knows that the money paid into social security by the "baby boomers" has been already embezzled by the politicians and the military?
Next to those numbers, your "illegal alien" problem is almost non existant...
I would like to see Medicare expanded to compete with private insurance. The one that can provide the most for the least wins.
Medicare is administered for less than 2% overhead. Private insurance takes more than 20% off the top. Business principles say that the organization that can control the operating costs can compete. Let's let them compete.
AFTERALL, do you really want George Bush to have access to all your prostate exams, mammograms, & Pap smears????
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AFTERALL, do you really want George Bush to have access to all your prostate exams, mammograms, & Pap smears????
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How is it that people who hate government become politicians like--Ronald Reagan? Conflict of interest? We are in serious trouble in this country because of monetary power packing a great influence that is seriously at odds with the founding principles of this country. Our forefathers had an interest in the posterity of this country. These large private centers of wealth do not. They smell of old world elitism and fascism.
No politician Dem or Rep can safely speak out against the corruption because these devils own the media.
The Reps have been the most influenced by these special interests because they worship the bottom line and the bottom line has nothing to due with core values and principles but rather single issue talking points.
AFTERALL, do you really want George Bush to have access to all your prostate exams, mammograms, & Pap smears????
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AFTERALL, do you really want George Bush to have access to all your prostate exams, mammograms, & Pap smears????
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Posted by processor2
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Do you really think he cares about your medical exam? He does not spend as much time thinking about it as you do it seems.
The Reps have been the most influenced by these special interests because they worship the bottom line and the bottom line has nothing to due with core values and principles but rather single issue talking points.
Posted by l8c6
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You are right on the first point. But the Democrats are every bit as swayed by money as anyone else and they jump in bed with their supporters just as quickly. Clinton, the male, proved that. Hillary did too when she stuck with him for political purposes. She has proven that her whole life- it is all about her and her having power.
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by lestb35
June 4, 2007 9:57 PM PDT
- Once we dumb down our health care then we can replace the few high paying jobs left in America and hire Hb1 visa holders for Dr., nurses, techs, dentists (wait I think we might already do that). Oh yea, does this universal coverage include dental.
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