NEW YORK, May 24, 2007

NYC Adds WTC Dust Death To 9/11 List

For First Time Medical Examiner Adds Death From Toxic Dust To Victim Tally

  • Felicia Dunn-Jones, whose death was linked to toxic dust from the collapsing World Trade Center towers. Photo

    Felicia Dunn-Jones, whose death was linked to toxic dust from the collapsing World Trade Center towers.  (WCBS)

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(CBS/AP)  A woman who died of lung disease five months after Sept. 11 was added on Wednesday to the medical examiner's list of attack victims, marking the first time the city has officially linked a death to the toxic dust caused by the World Trade Center's collapse.

Felicia Dunn-Jones, a 42-year-old attorney who was caught in the dust cloud while fleeing the collapsing towers on Sept. 11, 2001, died of sarcoidosis, a disease that causes inflammation and scarring in the lungs, on Feb. 10, 2002.

Chief Medical Examiner Charles Hirsch, citing "accumulated scientific research" that concluded exposure to trade center dust can cause or contribute to sarcoidosis, said that "Mrs. Dunn-Jones' exposure to World Trade Center dust on 9/11/01 contributed to her death and it has been ruled a homicide."

"Mrs. Dunn-Jones has now been added to the list of people who died as a result of the collapse of the World Trade Center towers," Hirsch wrote.

"It'll be an honor," her widower, Joe Jones, told CBS News. "We feel she always deserved to be on that list."

"You're almost without words," he said.

The city said the Sept. 11 death toll at the trade center stands at 2,750.

A class action lawsuit has claimed dozens of deaths have been caused by exposure to toxic trade center dust. A New Jersey medical examiner last year ruled that the January 2006 death of a retired police detective, 34-year-old James Zadroga, was "directly related" to his work at ground zero on and after Sept. 11.

Dunn-Jones' estate received a $2.6 million death benefit from a federal fund to compensate victims' families.

New York lawmakers, some of whom urged the city to add Dunn-Jones to the death toll last year, said more should be added in the future.

"Sadly, we have known that Felicia is not alone and that others have died from ailments caused by 9/11," said U.S. Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y. "I hope that the medical examiner is no longer in denial about the trade center dust. Dr. Hirsch must review the cases of other 9/11 heroes who, like Felicia, died in the prime of their lives."

Dunn-Jones' family had asked last year that the medical examiner add her name to the death toll, but Hirsch wrote at the time that his office could not link her death to the exposure "with certainty beyond a reasonable doubt."

Since then, a doctor for the Fire Department of New York published a study that found firefighters who worked at ground zero contracted sarcoidosis at a much higher rate after the Sept. 11 attacks than before, linking the disease firmly to the dust exposure.

A New Jersey medical examiner last year ruled that the January 2006 death of a retired police detective, 34-year-old James Zadroga, was "directly related" to his work at ground zero on and after Sept. 11.

Zadroga's father, Joseph Zadroga, said his son also suffered from sarcoidosis and that he and many others should be added to the list of victims with Dunn-Jones.

"I think that anybody that passes as a result of 9/11 should be listed on the wall," he said.

Dunn-Jones will be listed on the Sept. 11 memorial with the names of 2,973 people killed on Sept. 11 in New York, Pennsylvania and Washington, D.C., memorial foundation spokeswoman Lynn Rasic said.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who chairs the foundation, said his "thoughts and prayers are with the Dunn-Jones family."

"It is on their behalf and on behalf of all those affected by 9/11 that we are now building a memorial that remembers and honors the thousands of innocents that died," he said.


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by tammyecm7333 May 24, 2007 8:45 AM PDT
So WHEN will you be adding the names of the 3000+ military members who have died since 9/11? And when will their family members receive their share of the WTC compensation fund? Their deaths can definitly be attributed as a direct result of 9/11 since that was the reason for declaring war on Iraq, was it not? I think that if anyone deserves to be called HERO and receive compensation it should be them!!
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by mitch0927 May 24, 2007 9:01 AM PDT
tammyecm,

Thank you adding that comment. You are so right.
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by king77shaw May 24, 2007 9:06 AM PDT
people are sick from the dust because the twin towers loaded with asbestos, which is why Larry Silverstein wanted them brought down ... it would have cost over $1 billion to remove the asbestos and he had run out of waivers - instead he made $7 billion on the terrorist insurance policy he took out 3 months beforehand ... hmmm, coincidence ? - what did Silverstein, the Mossad and Wall St. know about 9/11 beforehand ? - what the rest of America is slowly finding out ... 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB !

9/11 Mysteries: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&q=911+mysteries&hl=en
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by ralan40 May 24, 2007 9:53 AM PDT
king77shaw, We've heard those ravings but the fact of the matter is that a new 100 year-lease was signed on the structure hence the recent insurance policy. The buildings were far from needing to be torn down so please educate folks as to why there would be a logical reason to do so. There are buildings all over the country with the same materials and if there is nothing wrong with them, they are allowed to stand.
What you are suggesting would require coroberation and secrecy coordinated between hundreds of Corporations and thousands of people not only hiding this from the American Public, US Government, and the airlines involved...but also the insurance company who had to pony up. Once Siverstein paid off all those people, and account for the income loss for years of no rental income, I doubt he'd have enough money to make it worthwhile.
No one would have the financial resources and power to be able to pull this off and Human nature makes such coordination and cunning on such a grand scale impossible at best.
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by truthspeake1 May 24, 2007 9:55 AM PDT
Is this a great country or what???
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by king77shaw May 24, 2007 10:00 AM PDT
ok then, explain the following:

1) why did WTC7 fall? WTC lease holder Larry Silverstein admitted to having the building "pulled" (slang for demolished) - only problem is that it takes weeks at best to prepare a building for demolition. Why did the 9/11 commission fail to even mention the collapse of WTC7-why isn%u2019t it shown on TV? OBVIOUS DEMOLITION!

2) how could the twin towers fall at free fall speeds if we are to believe the "pancake" theory? The buildings fell in 9 seconds! If floors were collapsing into the ones below them there would be slight delay before the lower floor gives. If it were a half a second at each floor that would still be nearly 50 seconds - huge steel beams were being ejected hundreds of feet HORIZONTALLY, concrete was pulverized into fine dust, SQUIBS (well-placed charges) are exploding outward up to 20 floors below the collapse wave. All characteristics of a controlled demolition not collapse.

3) kerosene (jet fuel) does not burn hot enough to melt the steel they used in the Twin Towers. PERIOD. watch the footage - these were oxygen starved fires - lots of smoke and minimal flames. Most of the fuel was burned off at impact. NO WAY were those fires hot enough to bring down a steel frame building-a complete fallacy.
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by sneakee1 May 24, 2007 10:16 AM PDT
To king77shaw---What an idiot!! What kind of world do you live in? You must be one scared, mistrusting, hobbit. Get out in life and see the sun. It really is a beautiful world out there and big brother is not out to get us. LOL...
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by king77shaw May 24, 2007 10:30 AM PDT
no need to attack me, just answer the questions - you can't, no one can dispute the evidence ... the science does not support the myth ! I'd suggest you spend less time watching Fox news ,, I'm going to the beach !
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by dlpracer May 24, 2007 10:38 AM PDT
The TRUTH can be found here.

www.debunking911.com/

www.jod911.com/

www.911mysteriesguide.com/

screwloosechange.blogspot.com

Nothing like these wackos taking a point in time and then rewinding time, revising what happened, match selected pics or vids to match the sippet of time, link them together....then proclaim they have the truth in hand.

Fortunately, when the whole picture is viewed, the wackos cannot with stand the light of day.

Back under the rock maggot.

Try Again
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by richdog_57 May 24, 2007 10:38 AM PDT
9/11 was not an inside job!
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by a-ji May 24, 2007 10:39 AM PDT
king77shaw... We all saw two planes hit the tower, burning on a broad day light, people died, everybody was in total shock! This is pure terrorism, nothing more nothing less. 9/11 was well coordinated act of terrorism.
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by Darkwave54 May 24, 2007 10:42 AM PDT
Criminal charges should be brought against Christine Whitman, director of the EPA, and other top officials. In the days following 9/11, they insisted that the dust was not toxic and that there was no danger for rescue workers. Those who were sickened should not have to fight to prove the cause.
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by barbaraf4 May 24, 2007 10:51 AM PDT
"Dunn-Jones' estate received a $2.6 million death benefit from a federal fund to compensate victims' families."

Why did the victims families receive such astronomical amounts of money "from a federal fund to compensate victim's families"? Now that the EPA is having to reverse its position on the safety aspects of the dust, there will be hundreds more getting this death benefit. Pay attention folks, because these are your tax dollars. Also, although I suffer from severe Katrina fatigue, I don't remember anyone on the Gulf Coast collecting similar lump sums. Heck, they can't even collect their insurence!


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by barbaraf4 May 24, 2007 10:55 AM PDT
"king77shaw, We've heard those ravings but the fact of the matter is that a new 100 year-lease was signed on the structure hence the recent insurance policy. The buildings were far from needing to be torn down so please educate folks as to why there would be a logical reason to do so." Posted by ralan40 at 09:53 AM : May 24, 2007

So Bush and his puppeteers could go to war. Why else?
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by toldyouso21 May 24, 2007 11:01 AM PDT
This was reported last year--all of it--why is this news today?
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by Darkwave54 May 24, 2007 11:03 AM PDT
Those who cling to the official version of 9/11 events must accept an extremely implausible array of claims and suppositions, beginning with the supposed transformation of mediocre Saudi terrorists into skilled pilots. The problems are so insurmountable that it takes a real leap of faith to believe the official version. Intelligent, thinking people must contemplate alternatives...to scream "conspiracist wacko" does nothing to change these facts.
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by king77shaw May 24, 2007 11:36 AM PDT
use your brain, just answer the simple questions: for 110 stories to to fall in 9 seconds each floor had to fall at FREE FALL SPEEDS - it's a basic law of physics ... the upper floors couldn't have met any resistance to fall at those speeds ... the demolition was well sequenced except in about 5 or 6 cases when you see the squibs (outward detonation) 10-20 floors ahead of the demolition wave - they almost fooled us - slow it down and it's very obvious ... I mean, come on, watch WTC7 - it's a classic demolition ... as far as the debunk sites - why don't they show the collapse of WTC7 ? ... yes, they show the damage and yes there was fire (alot more smoke though) ... who wrote the debunk story for the right wing Popular Mechanics ? Michael Chertoff's first cousin - (yes that Michael Chertoff, a hardcore conservative Israeli-American and then assistant attorney general in charge of NYC on 9/11) His role in detaining and then quietly letting go 50+ Mossad agents on 9/11 is documented but rarely reported. Do the research and a very different picture of 9/11 begins to evolve - then ask yourself, who really benefits from it all ... ? are we being told the truth ?
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by musicartlove May 24, 2007 11:44 AM PDT
what about soldiers and peoples of spain,Iraq and Afghanistan,should be a way to appreciate there sacrifice
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by a-ji May 24, 2007 11:52 AM PDT
king77shaw, does this mean this is the main reason why the FBI/CIA/Bush Admin were keeping the 9/11 report too confidential and would not open it to public? If so, then Bush and the everyone involved is a lot of bull****!
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by krenz4 May 24, 2007 11:54 AM PDT
King77shaw: That is the stupidest theory i've ever heard in my life! I cannot belive that you are actually for real with the bull you are trying to sell here. This post site is meant for serious people to engage in serious dialogue, please, take your crazy 'facts' to the yahoo chat rooms with the rest of the people who want to spout crazy 'facts'. No wonder the rest of the world is beginning to think Americans are pushovers, with people here, like you coming up with crazy theories that sounds like they originated in some middle eastern cave by some other crazies! OMG!!
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by a-ji May 24, 2007 11:55 AM PDT
king77shaw, does this mean this is the main reason why the FBI/CIA/Bush Admin were keeping the 9/11 report too confidential and would not open it to public? If so, then Bush and everyone involved is a lot of bull****! I bet hell is preparing presidential suites for whoever is responsible.
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by a-ji May 24, 2007 12:06 PM PDT
Will someone correct me if I'm wrong. At NatGeo a demolition was featured ant it takes a lot of drilling and planting a lot of dynamite/tnt, lots of wires and a wide range of planning before a building/infrastracture can be put down or detonate. I still don't believe king77shaw's idea.
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by king77shaw May 24, 2007 12:07 PM PDT
krenz4 - I'm not attacking you and I'm not crazy .. I've asked some very serious questions that no one who has attacked me can answer ... if anyone can respectfully answer them, I will thank them for educating me ... so, just answer my questions - I seek the truth and I don't feel that we're getting it from the corporate media ... that's all
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by king77shaw May 24, 2007 12:25 PM PDT
yes A-JI .. you are correct, it would probably have taken weeks to wire the twin towers for demolition .. it begs two questions: 1) was there prior knowledge of the pending attack ? and 2) how could the demolition crews have gained access to the buildings.

1) well a lot of players on Wall Street knew something was up on Mon 9/10 with the level of activity on airline options ... through the roof -

2) is it coincidence that the company in charge of security (Securacom/Stratesec) at the WTC and Dulles Airport (where Flight 77 supposedly flew out of) was headed by Marvin Bush (W's little brother) and Wirt Walker ... Marvin left in 2000, Walker left Secuarcom on 9/10/01 ... hmmm - coincidence - the day before 9/11 ?
The firm was finacially backed by an investment firm, the Kuwaiti-American corporation..

do your research people ! why don't we hear about these things in the mainstream press ?
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by barbaraf4 May 24, 2007 12:31 PM PDT
king77shaw ~ you are not alone in this belief. We used to believe in the lone-gun theory with JFK; we used to believe that Pearl Harbor was attacked without our government having prior knowledge; we used to believe our politicians were honest and always told the truth; we used to believe in WMDs as a reason to attack Iraq. It may take generations, but the truth about 9/11 will eventually be known.

I stand with you, so come on board - feel free to attack me too.


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by aeasus May 24, 2007 12:45 PM PDT
A "REAL" piece of evidence....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5393675030313324244&q=Dr.+Steven E. Jones

Don't judge until you have asked questions and sought answers!

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003
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by evelyn7221 May 24, 2007 12:55 PM PDT
the demolition was well sequenced except in about 5 or 6 cases when you see the squibs (outward detonation) 10-20 floors ahead of the demolition wave - they almost fooled us - slow it down and it's very obvious

Posted by king77shaw at 11:36 AM : May 24, 2007

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WOW. You really can see it, even in the most fuzzy YouTube video imaginable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPuMwdbQ-jQ

No lies. Go check it out in every single WTC collapse video you can find. Wow.
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by a-ji May 24, 2007 1:09 PM PDT
do your research people ! why don't we hear about these things in the mainstream press ?
Posted by king77shaw at 12:25 PM : May 24, 2007

OK, I'll do that and see for myself. And if the video(s) will convince me, then to hell with Bush's Admin!
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by bkh721 May 24, 2007 1:23 PM PDT
makes me sad to hear such non-sense. Those folks who scream theories should watch again and realize it is simple physics. The "blow-out" you are referring to would happen BEFORE the collapse and the smoke blown-out of the building simply is the dust and pressure taking the path of least resisitence. When a 20-ton items falls, do you know what it weighs at impact? I am guessing not! Try this....drop a small 5lb bag of sugar on a scale......watch the scale closely and watch it jump over 20lbs......more than 4 times it's original weight.
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by barbaraf4 May 24, 2007 1:29 PM PDT
"makes me sad to hear such non-sense. Those folks who scream theories should watch again and realize it is simple physics." Posted by bkh721 at 01:23 PM : May 24, 2007

My intent is not to make you sad. It is to make you open your mind to other possibilities. Has the nonsense you have been hearing from Bush for the past 6 years made you sad? If so, it shouldn't make you sad, it should make you madder than h*ll.
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by king77shaw May 24, 2007 1:32 PM PDT
bkh721 - you make a valid point ... to my eyes though the squibs are much more pinpointed than any general pressure release - it would have been more evenly distributed ... maybe, maybe not in some cases. they probably would have looked a bit different from squib to squib though. these were very uniform - the tell tale sign is the footage showing a couple of the squibs at least 40-50 stories below the shockwave. no way the pressure is being released that far away .. check it in slo-mo -

http://www.youtube.com/wa
tch?v=RPuMwdbQ-jQ
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by king77shaw May 24, 2007 1:37 PM PDT
and if you want to talk about the path of least resistance then the towers should have fallen over to one side (like they started to) ... they fell in the path of greatest resistance, unless of course the resistance is somehow being removed during collapse .. i.e. demolition
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by dlpracer May 24, 2007 1:46 PM PDT
The TRUTH can be found here.

www.debunking911.com/

www.jod911.com/

www.911mysteriesgui
de.com/

screwloosechange.blogspot.com


Nothing like these wackos taking a point in time and then rewinding time, revising what happened, match selected pics or vids to match the sippet of time, link them together....then proclaim they have the truth in hand.

Fortunately, when the whole picture is viewed, the wackos cannot with stand the light of day.

Back under the rock maggot.

Try Again
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by king77shaw May 24, 2007 1:51 PM PDT
cmon dlpracer - discuss the facts at least .. answer my questions - don't just send me to some website ... that's no fun .. I've looked at the debunk sites and then always stop the footage at critical moments. why don't they show WTC7 collapse ... look at pictures of WTC4, 5 & 6 - they were REALLY damaged by falling debris and really burned but hmmmmm no collapse on any of those ... wonder why ?
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by dlpracer May 24, 2007 2:11 PM PDT
cmon dlpracer - discuss the facts at least .. answer my questions - don't just send me to some website ... that's no fun .. ?

Posted by king77shaw at 01:51 PM : May 24, 2007
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Here is the end of your argument.

I would like you, or any other "believer" to take me to a point in time BEFORE the event- 9-11-01.

Please give details as to the plan, not the people, but the plan to commit the greatest crime of ALL times.

Let's start with the WTC hit. The date, for the sake of this discussion is ONE year before. You and I are planning the event with 10 other planners...got it so far?

Now walk me through the planning stages of HOW you are going to fly two airplanes into the WTC towers AFTER months of rigging them with explosives, and do all of this under the nose of hundreds of thousands of people undetected.

Now remember, we are in the planning stage. YOU cannot play this game knowing what you know NOW. You have to plan this, obviously using thousands of participants, being skillful enough to remain undetected for over a year and then pull it off in front of millions of witnesses.

Now tell me truthfully, looking at this from the planning stage, HOW MANY VARIABLES WOULD YOU HAVE TO COVER TO PULL THIS OFF UNDETECTED?

I won't hold my breath.
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by mercyme884 May 24, 2007 2:19 PM PDT
GREAT BALLS OF FIRE!!!!!! Don't you weirdos ever give it a rest.Nothing you say or nothing that you do or prove is going to change anything. Fact#1 The buildings were crashed into by jets being operated by terrorist. Not one plane but two.Fact#2 There were 2500 People Killed and many more lives ruined.Fact#3 All your theories don't amount to a hill of beans because they can't change the facts.Get a life . Go do something that will make a difference, work and dwell on things that you can change.Do something good for the country instead of all this junk. Trying to tear it apart.
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by lars008-2009 May 24, 2007 2:19 PM PDT
there is no peace with fascist nazi islam%u2026.. there never has been in it%u2019s 1400 year existence%u2026

dnc are like john adams and want to give the jihadist their lunch money hoping they will leave us alone....

gop are like thomas jefferson and want to spend their lunch money on weapons and go kick the jihadists in their arses.....

What Thomas Jefferson learned from the Muslim book of jihad

Thomas Jefferson knew about fascist nazi islam..... he killed plenty of them....

In 1786 Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman or (Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). They asked him by what right he extorted money and took slaves. Jefferson reported to Secretary of State John Jay, and to the Congress:

The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet (Mohammed), that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to heaven.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan07/jeff_quran.htm
muslim justifies slavery and piracy%u2026
http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?6bdec278-6a71-4436-bc4d-29d1c54b0ad7
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by dlpracer May 24, 2007 2:24 PM PDT
Now how about one more experiment Mr. king77shaw.

I assume that you either work or go to school or a combination of both. Maybe your unemployed.

Again, for the sake of this experiment, let's use work. Get five of your best friends and have meeting. Share with them that you are planning on blowing up your place of work. Give details...like stuff you can find on the internet.
Don't act mad, just determined. Ask one of them for help in staking out the building and looking for the placement of explosives.

After an hour's worth of planning, tell them that you change your mind and that this won't work anyways. Then break up the meeting.

How long do you think it will take before YOU get a visit from your boss or the police?

That is just 5 people.

According to your theory TENS OF THOUSANDS would have to be complicit in the event.

Sorry. Game over.

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by lars008-2009 May 24, 2007 2:25 PM PDT
Hizbullah Deputy Sec-Gen Sheikh Naim Qassem: We Have Jurisprudent Permission to Carry Out 'Martyrdom' Operations, Fire Missiles on Israeli Civilians From Ayatollah Khomeini
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD154907

NOW CAN WE KILL THEM???

if it is ok for fascist nazi islamic muslims to kill all non muslims everywhere.... is it ok for the non muslims to kill all fascist nazi islamic muslims???

Switching Sides: Inside The Enemy Camp

But then in 2000, well before his arrest, something happened which would make Abas question everything he believed in: a fatwa, a religious edict, was issued by Osama bin Laden.

"It should be understood that killing Americans and Jews anywhere found are the highest act of worship and the highest form of good deeds in the eyes of Allah," Simon quotes bin Laden.

Abas and his fellow commanders were ordered to read the fatwa to their men and make sure they carried it out. The others obeyed, but Abas refused. It was his moment of truth. He firmly believed that jihad was to be fought only on the battlefield in defense of Islam; he had always been taught that the killing of civilians had nothing to do with holy war and that it was forbidden.

The fatwa justified killing non-Muslim civilians everywhere.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/04/60minutes/main2761108.shtml?source=RSSattr=60Minutes_2761108
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by lars008-2009 May 24, 2007 2:33 PM PDT
DEMONIC-RATS LEAD The Chorus of Useful Idiots

Leftist Support of Islamist Terror

Most shocking is the outright sympathy of many leftist-liberals for Islamic fascism. They said little about the murder of 500 Russian civilians, many of them children, but screamed week after week because some Arab savage at Abu Ghraib prison wore a bag on his head. They cared nothing about the beheadings committed by the Islamo-savages or the execution of 12 Nepalese. David Horowitz gives an excellent discussion of who this "Left" really is. He calls them neo-communist, I call them Leftist-Liberals. I'm a classical Liberal myself and I feel it's time to remove this irrational element that has been allowed to poison our good name.
http://www.sullivan-county.com/immigration/list.htm
The Chorus of Useful Idiots
http://www.sullivan-county.com/immigration/thornton.htm
Supporters of Muslim Terrorism on the un-Religious Left
http://www.sullivan-county.com/id2/index1.htm
Exposing Leftists' Radical Islam Connection
http://www.sullivan-county.com/immigration/left_islam.htm
Definitions, Lies, and Losing Your Head
http://www.sullivan-county.com/immigration/def_lies.htm
Shocking (Liberal) Silence
http://www.sullivan-county.com/immigration/leftist_silence.htm
See no evil: Why the Left is blind to suffering
http://www.sullivan-county.com/immigration/no_evil.htm
When is violent speech still free speech?
http://www.sullivan-county.com/immigration/speech.htm
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by king77shaw May 24, 2007 3:07 PM PDT
alright dlpracer - a hypothesis.

I do believe Bin Laden planned and executed the Twin Tower attacks. I also believe that intelligence sources (Mossad, CIA etc.) knew of the plan months in advance - much evidence supporting prior knowledge - this would have given ample time for the towers to be wired for demolition - the buildings coming down as opposed to just being hit it would serve several purposes: 1) the shock value of collapse would give greater support to the global, oil-based, neo-con agenda we're currently seeing in action - PNAC (a neo-con think tank which included Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Bill Krystol, J Bush, Cheney and Perle etc) were pushing for a new Pearl Harbor after Gulf war 1. These names became major players in the Bush admin 2) it wouldn't take "thousands", just several of the right people in the right place at the right time - Silverstein getting the WTC lease 7 weeks beforehand, Marvin Bush and Wirt Walker heading Securacom to oversee security at the WTC - Rumsfeld (started his own parallel intelligence service) and Cheney (took control of NORAD) bear weight on the CIA, Michael Chertoff as attorney general of NYC (detaining and releasing multiple Mossad agents on 9/11 who were acting suspiciously - celebrations, trace explosives hmmm?) 3)the twin towers were losing money, they were low-tech, outdated and loaded with asbestos.

- again this is hypothesis - but what isn't hypothesis is a scientific look at how the twin towers fell - they had to have help.
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by bareemperor May 24, 2007 3:17 PM PDT
Could this death be attributed to the White House 'editing' the EPA air quality report?
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by dlpracer May 24, 2007 3:40 PM PDT
- again this is hypothesis - but what isn't hypothesis is a scientific look at how the twin towers fell - they had to have help.

Posted by king77shaw at 03:07 PM : May 24, 2007
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Sorry Junior, you are artfully dodging my questions.

YOU are filling in the blanks from the rear view mirror. A first year architecture student can explain how and why the buildings came down like they did. There is NOTHING remarkable about this...BY ANY MEASURE.

Again, take me back to the planning stages.

If you think that the people listed could have pulled this off just to go to Iraq, and all the events "just" happened the way they did, then I'm not surprised you are getting sucked into Alex Jones' world. When Jones is pinned on the planning, he folds like a house of cards.

What you are NOT answering is: what would have been the consequences of the plan FAILING. That had to be part of the planning process. The collapse of the US government...now that would be worth the risk (sic).

If you analysis all the variables that needed to be executed flawlessly, on a mathematical basis, the odds of success would astronomical.

YOU are giving people much more credit than they deserve.

There again, it gives some people (you) a way of dealing of the randomness of life (and death).

If it makes you feel better, then you and your thoughts are good therapy.

If you care to look deeper, the simple answer is always the scariest.

Good luck.
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by king77shaw May 24, 2007 4:14 PM PDT
we are witnessing the consequences of the plan failing - a failed policy in the middle east - a powerful Iran - An increasingly isolated Israel that couldn't beat Hezbollah - Iraq in a downward spiral - Lebanon in chaos - US debt at an all time high - gas prices at an all time high - CEO pay at an all time high - confidence in the presidency at an all-time low - global attitude towards America at an all time low - personal savings at an all time low - MISSION ACCOMPLISHED ?
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by king77shaw May 24, 2007 4:20 PM PDT
not as well as you are dodging my questions which are based in reality and not hypothesis - how did the twin towers and WTC7 fall at free fall speeds (meaning they met no resistance) if we are to believe the pancake theory - 110 stories in 9 seconds - that's a fast pancake !
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by Darkwave54 May 24, 2007 4:23 PM PDT
Those who continue to cling to the official myth about 9/11, probably do so because it is difficult to accept that our government has lied and betrayed us. Even though the facts so not support the official myth, many continue to cling to it.

It doesn't really take much investigation to discover facts that totally discredit the official myth. Start from the beginning: The term "Al Caida" was coined by the CIA; it means "the data base". Bin Laden was controlled as a CIA operative, had handlers assigned to him - this is all verifiable history. Bush tried to link Bin Laden to 9/11, said evidence would be forthcoming, then changed his tune and said he "no longer cared about him".

Are people really stupid enough to go along with attacking Iraq because of something Bin Laden alledgedly planned, and Saudi nationals appeared to carry out? Duh! We have out nationalities blurred a bit, wouldn't you say? Bush said we would track down those responsible - what ever happened to that?

The Neocons have whipped up a hate-and-fear mongering campaign against Islam in order to justify sending troops into a senseless meat grinder. Can't you see that was the plan all along, to support their radical geopolitical strategy? Create a climate of fear so that normal rational discourse is suspended. Unfortunately for Mr. Bush, even his own party is about to turn against him. Seems that there will be another election in a couple years, and they are looking ahead and getting concerned.
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by evelyn7221 May 24, 2007 4:42 PM PDT
"What you are NOT answering is: what would have been the consequences of the plan FAILING. That had to be part of the planning process. The collapse of the US government...now that would be worth the risk (sic)....

"If you care to look deeper, the simple answer is always the scariest."

Posted by dlpracer at 03:40 PM : May 24, 2007
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The consequences of the plan failing would have been the Bush administration claming that they foiled a huge terror plot!! It was a win win situation for them either way!

Sure, 2500 lives were lost at ground zero, but more than 3000 have been lost in Iraq, and check out how much the Bush administration cares. With a nationwide population over 30 million, they really don't. In their eyes there will always be another person willing to fill the void.

Ans as far as the simple answer - the one that doesn't require asking deep questions - that answer is, "The terrorists did it."

Bush and Cheney lie - the scientific formula for acceleration due to gravity doesn't.
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by ralan40 May 24, 2007 4:53 PM PDT
King77shaw, I answered your misguided questions on another post. You refused to explain the holes and misinformation in your questions, you just posted the same questions, here. You're not interested in truth. You just want to keep posting the same lies again and again. Just because you have convinced yourself thru repitition of these things does not make it truth.

Freedom of speech does not give one the right to yell "Fire" in a crowded building
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by evelyn7221 May 24, 2007 4:53 PM PDT
And if you're about to ask "But why would W ever want to do this horrible to his own people?" here's your undeniable, two-fold answer.

1) Saddam Hussein tried to have his father killed. That would be motivation enough for any one person.

2) High hopes of controlling the majority of the world's oil supply.

Remember - his presidency may end in 2009, but he will always have the same father, and he will always be a member of the oil industry elite.
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