GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip, May 18, 2007

Gaza Plunges Deeper Into Chaos

Israeli Planes Pound Hamas Targets; Fatah And Hamas Clash On Gaza Streets

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(CBS/AP)  Israeli warplanes pummeled Hamas targets on Friday, killing at least eight people in a stepped-up campaign against Gaza rocket squads and adding an extra layer of violence to infighting between Palestinian gunmen, who traded automatic weapons and grenade fire at a Gaza City university.

The concentric circles of violence have scuttled a 5-month-old truce between Israel and Gaza militants and brought Palestinian factions that nominally share power to the brink of civil war. More than 70 Palestinians have been killed in the spasm of bloodletting that broke out Sunday.

Hamas militiamen took the internal Palestinian strife to an ominous new level by widening the group of targets, seizing aides to two prominent Fatah officials.

The U.S. has made no secret about which faction it is supporting in the near-civil war. It's backing Fatah, contributing $59 million to equip and train the palace guard of Fatah leader and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, reports CBS News national security correspondent David Martin.

"When there is a showdown, we want the right people to come out on top," says Robert Satloff, executive director of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

Hamas has fired more than 100 rockets across the border this week, reports CBS News correspondent Robert Berger.

Israeli missiles came screeching down on Gaza at least five times Friday in retaliation for Hamas rocket attacks that have sent southern Israel into a state of panic. At least 13 rockets fell throughout the day, injuring four people in the rocket-scarred town of Sderot.

One of the air strikes incinerated a minivan carrying Hamas militants and what the army described as "a large amount of weapons." Three fighters were killed and 12 people were wounded, Palestinian hospital officials said.

"We were sitting outside my grocery store when a huge explosion shook the area and a small minivan turned into a ball of fire," witness Jawad Dallou said.

People in a nearby mourning tent grieving for a victim of the Palestinian infighting were also wounded, he said.

Five Palestinians, including at least three Hamas militants, were killed and six wounded in an earlier strike east of Gaza City. The military said the target was a Hamas headquarters building.

Other air attacks throughout the day caused no fatalities.

In all, at least 20 Palestinians have died in Israeli air strikes that began on Tuesday.

Hamas said the Israeli military called the house of Ahmed Jaabari, head of Hamas' military wing, and warned his family the building would be hit, too.

People converged on the house to protect it, he said. Jaabari was not at home, and the military had no immediate comment.

In other developments:

  • Israeli and Palestinian businessmen launched a joint council on Friday in Jordan, saying they want to advance networking and promote peace despite the raging violence in the Gaza Strip. The Israeli-Palestinian Business Council's 10 founding members, all prominent businessmen, will work toward advancing the "relationship between the two business communities and, ultimately, assist the region to move toward durable peace and coexistence," the World Economic Forum said in a statement.

  • Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's coalition government won a reprieve on Friday when Labor party allies turned down a call by rebels to bolt the alliance immediately, but Labor's central committee said it would meet again to review its support for Olmert's administration after May 28 primaries.

    Despite the intensified attacks, a senior Israeli army official said Israel had no immediate plans for a major ground offensive to halt rocket fire, because it is reluctant to unite warring Palestinian factions against a common enemy. He spoke on condition of anonymity because no final decision has been made.

    Six days of fighting between Hamas and Fatah have claimed more than 50 lives and all but destroyed a 2-month-old power-sharing deal between the two groups. The fighting was touched off by Abbas' deployment of thousands of troops in Gaza City last week to try to restore law and order — a move Hamas took as a provocation because it wasn't consulted.

    The two abductions in Gaza on Friday broadened the mayhem because it was the first time senior civilians with ties to Fatah were targeted.

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    by bluestardad May 18, 2007 8:22 AM PDT
    THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AMERICAN INTEREST! STAY OUT QUIT SENDING BOTH SIDES MONEY FOR GOODNESS SAKES YOU IDIOTS!
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    by antoniof123 May 18, 2007 8:25 AM PDT
    What a mess this world is about to blow up.
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    by patriotic9 May 18, 2007 8:54 AM PDT
    THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AMERICAN INTEREST! STAY OUT QUIT SENDING BOTH SIDES MONEY FOR GOODNESS SAKES YOU IDIOTS!
    Posted by bluestardad at 08:22 AM : May 18, 2007

    Totally agree with you.We need money for Kansas and Katrina victims here at home.
    Stop sending money to Palestinians, European invaders in Palestine, Egypt ,Jordan and specially to the Islamic Radical "MALIKI" who is taking our TAX MONEY on the name of REBUILDING IRAQ and our WEAPONS on the name of ARMING IRAQ SECURITY FORCE to kill our troops there.
    We give Billions of dollars to Egypt for recognizing Israel which resulted in the creation of EGYPTIAN TERRORISTS like AYMEN AL ZAWAHIRI, we give billion of dollars to JORDAN for recognizing Israel which resulted in the creation of JORDANIAN TERRORISTS like ABU MUSAB AL ZARQAWI.
    We need our TAX DOLLARS here at home.America comes first.
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    by cathaleen May 18, 2007 9:33 AM PDT
    They need a very strong mediator at this point.
    Someone to step in a say "time out", stop this insanity, and sit down with all factions. Don't throw money or arms at them, that's the last thing they need.
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    by krotec54 May 18, 2007 9:35 AM PDT
    Now, We wait for Hezbolla to start their show of support for Hamas.
    Then Iran and Syria will protest the military strikes from Israel as unfair retaliations.
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    by mudrose-2009 May 18, 2007 9:55 AM PDT
    What a mess this world is about to blow up.
    Posted by antoniof123

    Nah, that's just the Palestinians being true to themselves - contentious, uncivilized and what's the word I'm looking for, ah, stupid.
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    by infidel_us May 18, 2007 10:59 AM PDT
    This makes a lot of sense....Hamas and Fatah are fighting each other while simultaniously launching rockets at Israel.

    What a bunch of freakin morons!!! They all deserve to die.
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    by conplan6022 May 18, 2007 11:22 AM PDT
    Israel needs to stop supplying Palestinians their water, electricity and oil. Also cut off the massive financial aid the palis/arab world receives from the West. We westerners need to learn to stop aiding our enemies in destroying us.

    Its sickening that Europe has ramped up business with Iran-a country that's openly called for the destruction of the West and preaches Islamic fascist supremacy. We should be preparing to destroy them rather than trying to make 'friendly relations' on their terms (which is on our knees).

    We also need to realize killing a handful of terrorists here and there is doing absolutely nothing to dent Islamic aggression-you need a massive co-ordinated effort to put the fear of infidels in their blackened hearts.
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    by mudrose-2009 May 18, 2007 11:24 AM PDT
    What type of investment is that in which we give more then $3 Billions a year to NON-AMERICANS while our own brothers and sisters die in New Orleans and in return get ,TERRORISM, HATRED and 9/11 against our nation.
    Posted by patriotic9

    You are a very confused person. Nothing of what you say makes any sense.
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    by one_american May 18, 2007 11:40 AM PDT
    I wonder why the liberal press doesn't come right out and call the fighting between Hamas and Fatah a civil war...

    ...probably because it doesn't fit their agenda against Israel.
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    by incog-nito May 18, 2007 11:53 AM PDT
    Is that photo the Middle-East's version of the Charlie's Angels?
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    by clestes-2009 May 18, 2007 11:56 AM PDT
    Oh, this is going to really help the middle east attain stablility. Why can't these people get past their differences and stop killing each other? How many thousands of years has the killing been going on and what good has ever been accomplished??

    None and to continue down the same road over and over shows a real lack of desire for a solution. The palistinian and the isrealis don't want to find peace. They want to continue the killing and I think we should wash our hands of the whole stupid affair and let them.
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    by feelfree1 May 18, 2007 11:57 AM PDT
    Israel has to be the most cowardly country ever. The only way that Israel really benefits the people of the U.S. is by saving us from being the most contemptible country on the planet at the present time.

    Not only do Israeli forces have a long chronic policy of using "human shields", but also they have pioneered the practice of "targeted" mass-murder from the comfort and safety of an aircraft. Sometimes they just kill people from unmanned, remote control drones.

    They regularly imprison, torture, and kill innocent women and children, then try to blame the victims for their own misfortune. The Israelis have truly become their own worst oppressors.

    If there is one thing that the overwhelming majority of Americans can agree on, it is that the billions upon billions of U.S. tax dollar funded welfare payments paid to Israel year after year, in an effort to prop up this failing terror-State, is a terrible and counterproductive investment.

    Supporting the deluded goals of Israeli extremist leaders has cost our country a colossal toll in blood, treasure, and dignity.
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    by gunownerdan May 18, 2007 12:00 PM PDT
    Religious nuts will never get along.
    Sad really, that ancient fairytales can cause so much death and destruction.
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    by bigsk8fan May 18, 2007 12:08 PM PDT
    Maybe Bush and Condi can figure out another reason to attack here too. I mean Bush's legacy is to put America at war with everyone isn't it? He can use these pictures to claim sort of link of terrorism attacking America. Just like Iraq!
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    by patriotic9 May 18, 2007 12:18 PM PDT
    You are a very confused person. Nothing of what you say makes any sense.
    Posted by mudrose at 11:24 AM : May 18, 2007

    What part of my comment you don't understand?
    Let me try to make it clear a little better.

    According to PSYCHOSIS "CHRISTIANITY", those Americans who love JESUS are GOD-NEGLECTED PEOPLE not because of anything wrong with their actions but because of being born in a RACE or FAMILY NOT CHOSEN BY GOD and that's why they have not been promised a SINGLE PENNY from GOD whereas those NON-AMERICAN EUROPEAN INVADERS IN PALESTINE who hate JESUS and deny the VIRGINITY of JESUS' MOTHER are GOD-CHOSEN PEOPLE not because of anything great with their actions but because of being born in a RACE or FAMILY CHOSEN by GOD and have been promised a land in the MIDDLE EAST.Human beings should not be treated on the basis of their actions but should be treated as GOD-CHOSEN or GOD-NEGLECTED on the basis of the FAMILY or RACE they are born in.
    It is the responsibility of the GOD-NEGLECTED AMERICANS to workd day and night to pay TAX to the GOVT and it's the right of the NON-AMERICAN GOD-CHOSEN ENEMIES OF THE GOD'S ONLY SON to snatch more then $3 Billions from the US tax payed money for the killing of those who give us OIL in cheaper prices.


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    by rafterman1 May 18, 2007 12:28 PM PDT
    You know, if God really doesn't exist, won't humanity be red-faced. We'd all be like "Oops, sorry for all those millions of deaths throughout history for no reason apparently."


    It's a joke, relax :)
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    by three-o-six May 18, 2007 12:41 PM PDT
    If God doesn't exist then there is nothing WRONG with us killing thousands.
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    by rafterman1 May 18, 2007 12:45 PM PDT
    ===If God doesn't exist then there is nothing WRONG with us killing thousands.===

    Well, not really. Since man has killed in the name of God for so many centuries (Crusades, extremist Islam), it would be ironic if there was no God. In that case, we may not be breaking the law of God, but killing would be (or at least should be) breaking the law of man.
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    by notblue May 18, 2007 12:47 PM PDT
    patriot6, What??? the only psychosis I can detect is your rant. And for the rest of the people who think everything that happens in the middle east is some sort of America perpetrated cover or conspiracy for some evil plan you all need to get a life and join the world of reality! Is your hatred for America nad Bush so great that "fairytales and fantasies" are the only way you can make sense of todays world??? Time for a reality check, these Islamic militants are as barbaric as they seem and will be a source of danger to the world for the forseeable future.
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    by lars008-2009 May 18, 2007 12:51 PM PDT
    I NO LONGER SUPPORT THE OCCUPATION

    The real %u201Coccupation%u201D
    1400 years of muslim occupation

    muslims, whose home is Arabia, have occupied and brutalized for centuries.

    During that time, non muslims have...

    been murdered en masse
    had their land stolen
    their holy places destroyed and desecrated
    been sold into slavery
    their women raped
    their children butchered

    and the arabs have the nerve to whine about "occupation" when non muslims fight back

    I NO LONGER SUPPORT MUSLIM OCCUPATION
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    by feelfree1 May 18, 2007 12:54 PM PDT
    Re: "Israel has been aiding Fatah against Hamas by allowing Fatah to bring into Gaza as many as 500 fresh troops, the Washington Post reported Friday. The fighters were trained under a U.S.-coordinated program to counter Hamas. The Bush administration and Israel want to strengthen Fatah militarily and politically but have been trying to avoid being seen as taking sides in the Hamas-Fatah conflict."

    I have to give the Washington Post and CSB credit for reporting this element. This action clearly shows that the Israeli and U.S. leadership is actively meddling in an effort to undermine the democratically elected government of Palestine, and to foment civil unrest among the Palestinians.

    This is a good example of a classic divide and conquer strategy, which has been used by empirial powers against their victims.
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    by lars008-2009 May 18, 2007 1:14 PM PDT
    FASCIST NAZI ISLAM TO ENSLAVE NON MUSLIM WORLD

    HAMAS MICKEY MOUSE SAYS
    Islamic rule will benefit Christians and Jews
    by Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook - May 14, 2007
    The force behind Hamas TV%u2019s controversial Mickey Mouse clone said today that his children%u2019s television program will continue to promote worldwide Islamic supremacy, for everyone's benefit, including Christians and Jews.
    In a long interview on Hamas TV, Hazim Al-Sha%u2019arawi, Deputy Director of Al-Aqsa TV and one of the creators of the Hamas children%u2019s TV show Tomorrow%u2019s Pioneers, said that using the program to promote Islamic rule over other religions is actually promoting %u201Cjustice, goodness and world love.%u201D
    Al-Aqsa TV and the Palestinian Authority have been under fire since PMW reported last week that Tomorrow%u2019s Pioneers was using a character named Farfur, a knockoff of Disney%u2019s Mickey Mouse character, to convey messages about Islamic supremacy as well as hatred of Jews, Israel and the U.S. Despite public statements by PA Minister of Information Mustafa Barghouti that the show would be taken off the air until it could be reviewed and revised, a new episode of the program %u2013 featuring Al-Sha%u2019arawi as one of the hosts %u2013 ran Friday.
    http://pmw.org.il/bulletins_may2007.htm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S995NCeaUg
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    by lars008-2009 May 18, 2007 1:17 PM PDT
    TONI BASIL - HEY MICKEY
    Oh Mickey, you're so fine
    You're so fine, you blow my mind, hey Mickey, hey Mickey
    Oh Mickey, you're so fine
    You're so fine, you blow my mind, hey Mickey, hey Mickey
    Oh Mickey, you're so fine
    You're so fine, you blow my mind, hey Mickey...

    Hey Mickey
    You've been around all night and that's a little long
    You think you've got the right but I think you've got it wrong
    Why can't we say goodnight? So you can take me home, Mickey

    Cause when you say you will, it always means you won't
    You're givin' me the chills, baby, please baby don't
    Every night you still leave me all alone, Mickey

    Oh Mickey, what a pity, you don't understand
    You take me by the heart when you take me by the hand
    Oh Mickey, you're so pretty, can't you understand
    It's guys like you, Mickey
    Ooh what you do Mickey, do Mickey
    Don't break my heart, Mickey

    Hey Mickey
    Now when you take me by the... who's... ever gonna know
    Every time you move I let a little more show
    There's something you can use, so don't say no, Mickey

    So come on and give it to me anyway you can
    Anyway you want to do it, I'll take it like a man
    Oh please baby, please don't leave me in this jam Mickey

    Oh Mickey, what a pity, you don't understand
    You take me by the heart when you take me by the hand
    Oh Mickey, you're so pretty, can't you understand
    It's guys like you, Mickey
    Ooh what you do Mickey, do Mickey
    Don't break my heart, Mickey
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    by feelfree1 May 18, 2007 1:21 PM PDT
    Here is a good film about the Israeli rampage against the people of Lebanon last summer.

    This film provides a lot of good information about the war crimes committed against the people of Lebanon at the hands of the Israelis, including the targetting and mass-murder of civilians, mostly women and children, the intentional execution of the 4 U.N. civilian observers, the intentional targetting of ambulances, and much more.

    This film provides an excellent glimpse of Israeli State-terrorism practices:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOpB1x5Qzyg
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    by processor2 May 18, 2007 1:40 PM PDT
    In the MiddleEast, they've been killing each other 6,000 years, or more

    Nothing is gonna change

    ...
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    by gunownerdan May 18, 2007 1:50 PM PDT

    The Islamic/Christian/Jewish God of Abraham is the GOD OF DEATH.

    Try to prove me wrong!

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    by lars008-2009 May 18, 2007 2:03 PM PDT
    COWARDLY HEZ-BALLESS-AH HIDES BEHIND... part 1
    WOMEN AND CHILDREN...............

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/blog/israel_palestine_cartoon.gif
    Hezbollah was using UN post as 'shield'
    http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=37278180-a261-421d-84a9-7f94d5fc6d50

    U.N. CHIEF CALLS HEZ-BALLESS-AH COWARDS
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,205349,00.html

    LARNACA, Cyprus %u2014 The U.N. humanitarian chief accused Hezbollah on Monday of "cowardly blending" among Lebanese civilians and causing the deaths of hundreds during two weeks of cross-border violence with Israel.

    The militant group has built bunkers and tunnels near the Israeli border to shelter weapons and fighters, and its members easily blend in among civilians.

    Jan Egeland spoke with reporters at the Larnaca airport in Cyprus late Monday after a visit to Lebanon on his mission to coordinate an international aid effort. On Sunday he had toured the rubble of Beirut's southern suburbs, a once-teeming Shiite district where Hezbollah had its headquarters.

    During that visit he condemned the killing and wounding of civilians by both sides, and called Israel's offensive "disproportionate" and "a violation of international humanitarian law."

    On Monday he had strong words for Hezbollah, which crossed into Israel and captured two Israeli soldiers on July 12, triggering fierce fighting from both sides.
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    by lars008-2009 May 18, 2007 2:11 PM PDT
    part 2

    "Consistently, from the Hezbollah heartland, my message was that Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending ... among women and children," he said. "I heard they were proud because they lost very few fighters and that it was the civilians bearing the brunt of this. I don't think anyone should be proud of having many more children and women dead than armed men."

    "We need a cessation of hostilities because this is a war where civilians are paying the price," said Egeland, who was heading to Israel.

    Hezbollah guerrillas crossed into Israel and captured two Israeli soldiers on July 12, triggering fierce fighting from both sides.

    At least 384 people have been killed in Lebanon, including 20 soldiers and 11 Hezbollah fighters, according to security officials. At least 600,000 Lebanese have fled their homes, according to the World Health Organization. One estimate by Lebanon's finance minister putting the number at 750,000, nearly 20 percent of the population.

    Israel's death toll stands at 36, with 17 people killed by Hezbollah rockets and 19 soldiers killed in the fighting.

    During his visit to Lebanon, Egeland issued an urgent call for US$150 million (euro118.74 million) to help Lebanon through the next three months.

    He said the first large U.N. convoy of humanitarian aid is expected to depart Beirut on Wednesday for the southern city of Tyre. Similar convoys will be scheduled every second day after that.
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    by feelfree1 May 18, 2007 2:11 PM PDT
    Re: "COWARDLY HEZ-BALLESS-AH HIDES BEHIND...WOMEN AND CHILDREN"

    'arse008' is confused and misinformed as usual.

    The only ones that we know FOR SURE, with a chronic policy of employing the cowardly terrorist tactic of "human shields", are the Israelis.

    This was proven beyond a doubt, and condemned by Israel's own Supreme Court.

    http://www.adalah.org/newsletter/eng/oct05/1.php

    There is ample evidence that the Israelis continue this cowardly terrorist tactic to this very day, and that they routinely attempt to justify their atrocities by attempting to attribute this practice to others.

    There is little doubt that the Israelis have become their own worst oppressors.
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    by lars008-2009 May 18, 2007 2:13 PM PDT
    what do you call an organization that:

    kills you if you don't join it...

    http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=82201&ln=eng&txt=islam%20law%20kill%20kaafir

    kills you if you leave it...

    http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=696&ln=eng&txt=kaafir%20kill

    kills you if you don't do what they tell you to do..

    http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=6035&ln=eng&txt=kaafir%20kill

    kills you if you speak against it%u2026.

    http://islamqa.com/index.php?QR=22809&ln=eng

    kills anybody that is not a member of it...

    http://www.hauns.com/~DCQu4E5g/koran5.html

    still practices pagan rituals...

    http://answering-islam.org/Silas/pagansources.htm

    allows the r a p e of babies and animals...

    http://www.homa.org/default.asp?TOCID=2083225445

    a. satanic cult???
    b. islam???
    c. all the above???

    Our Prophet commanded us to fight the kaafirs when we are able and to attack them in their homelands and to give them three choices before we enter their lands: either they become Muslim and be like us, sharing our rights and duties; or they pay the jizyah (poll tax) and feel themselves subdued; or they fight, in which case their wealth, women, children and homes become permissible as booty for the Muslims.
    http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=13759&ln=eng&txt=before%20islam%20arabia%20pagan
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    by lars008-2009 May 18, 2007 2:15 PM PDT
    NONE OF US IS FREE UNLESS ALL ARE FREE!!!

    WHY DO MUSLIM COUNTRIES NOT GRANT EQUAL RIGHTS TO NON MUSLIMS???

    FASCIST NAZI ISLAM SAYS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATES ISLAM LAW...

    Universal Declaration of Human Rights
    http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

    For example, in 1981, the Iranian representative to the United Nations, Said Rajaie-Khorassani, articulated the position of his country regarding the Universal Declaration of Human Rights by saying that the UDHR was "a secular understanding of the Judeo-Christian tradition", which could not be implemented by Muslims without trespassing the Islamic law.

    http://www.un.org/terrorism/
    http://www.un.org/terrorism/strategy-counter-terrorism.html
    http://www.un.org/
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    by conplan6022 May 18, 2007 2:16 PM PDT
    Israel should help both fatah and hamas wipe each other out. Palestinians need a civil war to deplete their numbers and energy. Best way to preserve Israeli lives and resources-save that for Iran and other states plotting Israel's destruction.

    The great thing about Islam is that it has a built-in self-destruct mechanism, which is highly effective when triggered. Namely the ambiguity around what authentic Islam is (or who's a 'real muslim'), which causes internal divisions and warring...the joke is that its all a pile of fairytale man-made *** that they think is from god.

    Democrats are right, let's step aside in Iraq and let the sunnis/shias have at it. Its grisly but better they bomb and kill each other rather than unite and use their energy to kill us non-muslims. They should keep the troops ready to suppress the extremists that emerge.
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    by feelfree1 May 18, 2007 2:22 PM PDT
    conplan6022,

    Re: "Israel should help both fatah and hamas wipe each other out. Palestinians need a civil war to deplete their numbers and energy."

    The mass-murderous and contemptible Israeli extremists seem to agree with you on this point. They are without any sense of honor or dignity, and lack any respect for the rule of law or common decency- truly a disgusting bunch of cowards and terrorists.

    They are a boil on the arse of humanity, without a doubt.
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    by lars008-2009 May 18, 2007 2:25 PM PDT
    Posted by FeelFree1 at 02:22 PM : May 18, 2007

    Fascist Nazi Isamic Muslims are a boil on the arse of humanity, without a doubt.

    FASCIST NAZI ISLAM TO ENSLAVE NON MUSLIM WORLD

    HAMAS MICKEY MOUSE SAYS
    Islamic rule will benefit Christians and Jews
    by Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook - May 14, 2007
    The force behind Hamas TV%u2019s controversial Mickey Mouse clone said today that his children%u2019s television program will continue to promote worldwide Islamic supremacy, for everyone's benefit, including Christians and Jews.
    In a long interview on Hamas TV, Hazim Al-Sha%u2019arawi, Deputy Director of Al-Aqsa TV and one of the creators of the Hamas children%u2019s TV show Tomorrow%u2019s Pioneers, said that using the program to promote Islamic rule over other religions is actually promoting %u201Cjustice, goodness and world love.%u201D
    Al-Aqsa TV and the Palestinian Authority have been under fire since PMW reported last week that Tomorrow%u2019s Pioneers was using a character named Farfur, a knockoff of Disney%u2019s Mickey Mouse character, to convey messages about Islamic supremacy as well as hatred of Jews, Israel and the U.S. Despite public statements by PA Minister of Information Mustafa Barghouti that the show would be taken off the air until it could be reviewed and revised, a new episode of the program %u2013 featuring Al-Sha%u2019arawi as one of the hosts %u2013 ran Friday.
    http://pmw.org.il/bulletins_may2007.htm
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S995NCeaUg
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    by conplan6022 May 18, 2007 2:34 PM PDT
    "The mass-murderous and contemptible Israeli extremists seem to agree with you on this point."Posted by FeelFree1

    Lol muslim-do you think anyone is buying that crock of *** nowadays? Everyone knows the real mass murderers are the muslims.

    Ever since the state of Israel was created (by the way they've been on that land for over 3000 years), you savages have been trying to destroy them in multiple wars-all of which muslims lost and were humiliated in, but you still don't know when you've been beaten.

    If Israel was as blood-thirsty as muslims are, more than likely they would've nuked Jordan, Syria, Egypt (any other state that attacked them) and wiped out all the Palestinians today. Frankly I don't see why they didn't. When an enemy as determined as arab muslims are who are bent on your destruction-peace is not possible, until you defeat them completely in war.
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    by lars008-2009 May 18, 2007 2:36 PM PDT
    NOW CAN WE KILL THEM???

    if it is ok for fascist nazi islamic muslims to kill all non muslims everywhere.... is it ok for the non muslims to kill all fascist nazi islamic muslims???

    Wouldn't killing 5.1 BILLION people (the number of non muslims in the world) be the very definition of barbarism???
    Or is it fascist nazi islam%u2019s way of solving global warming???

    Switching Sides: Inside The Enemy Camp

    But then in 2000, well before his arrest, something happened which would make Abas question everything he believed in: a fatwa, a religious edict, was issued by Osama bin Laden.

    "It should be understood that killing Americans and Jews anywhere found are the highest act of worship and the highest form of good deeds in the eyes of Allah," Simon quotes bin Laden.

    Abas and his fellow commanders were ordered to read the fatwa to their men and make sure they carried it out. The others obeyed, but Abas refused. It was his moment of truth. He firmly believed that jihad was to be fought only on the battlefield in defense of Islam; he had always been taught that the killing of civilians had nothing to do with holy war and that it was forbidden.

    The fatwa justified killing non-Muslim civilians everywhere.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/04/60minutes/main2761108.shtml?source=RSSattr=60Minutes_2761108
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    by lars008-2009 May 18, 2007 2:40 PM PDT
    Being non-Muslim in Islamic nations means 'protection'--and problems.(World: Iraq)
    The official term for this right is "dhimmitude." The world's foremost expert on the subject, Bat Ye'Or, coined the word in 1983 to describe the legal and social condition of Jews and Christians (dhimmis) subjected to Islamic rule. Broadly interpreted, it appears benign: Non-Muslims enjoy a protected status among their Muslims neighbors: But dhimmitude becomes problematic because its supposed safeguards and protections can be withdrawn as selectively as they are applied by rulers or governments of Islamic states.

    In Iraq, as in other predominately Muslim states, Christianity has existed side by side with Islam for centuries. For some observers (as well as those who experience it firsthand), the status of Christians is not one of cheery coexistence. Rather, it may be more like the old racial divides in the United States, where blacks lived near, but not integrated into, white society, and where they "kept their place"--separate and unequal.

    In a July 24 interview with NCR, Baghdad Archbishop Jean Sleiman, leader of Iraq's Latin Catholic church, said that in Iraq, "Christians and Muslims can I-live] side by side--but only side by side. Side by side, but not equally. No mixing, no integration."
    http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-121763784.html
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    by feelfree1 May 18, 2007 2:43 PM PDT
    conplan6022,

    Re: "Lol muslim"

    You appear to be an acute vitim of faith-based reasoning. I am not religious. It is becomming more and more evident by the day, that the State of Israel is merely a parasite of American blood, treasure, and dignity.

    Your baseless and empty smears will not change this trend.

    Maybe you shoul join the 'arse008' coward in calling for others to kill and die in order to appease his/her/its cowardice and delusions?
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    by lars008-2009 May 18, 2007 2:48 PM PDT
    what do you call an organization that:

    kills you if you don't join it...

    http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=82201&ln=eng&txt=islam%20law%20kill%20kaafir

    kills you if you leave it...

    http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=696&ln=eng&txt=kaafir%20kill

    kills you if you don't do what they tell you to do..

    http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=6035&ln=eng&txt=kaafir%20kill

    kills you if you speak against it%u2026.

    http://islamqa.com/index.php?QR=22809&ln=eng

    kills anybody that is not a member of it...

    http://www.hauns.com/~DCQu4E5g/koran5.html

    still practices pagan rituals...

    http://answering-islam.org/Silas/pagansources.htm

    allows the r a p e of babies and animals...

    http://www.homa.org/default.asp?TOCID=2083225445

    a. satanic cult???
    b. islam???
    c. all the above???

    Our Prophet commanded us to fight the kaafirs when we are able and to attack them in their homelands and to give them three choices before we enter their lands: either they become Muslim and be like us, sharing our rights and duties; or they pay the jizyah (poll tax) and feel themselves subdued; or they fight, in which case their wealth, women, children and homes become permissible as booty for the Muslims.
    http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=13759&ln=eng&txt=before%20islam%20arabia%20pagan
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    by lars008-2009 May 18, 2007 2:53 PM PDT
    I think you are correct. Death is the basis for their wanting to be religious. Everything in their religions revolves around death. Death is a huge concern of their religions.
    Posted by george2221 at 02:48 PM : May 18, 2007

    not to mention the millions upon millions that stalin, mao, kim jong, khmer rouge killed....
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    by king77shaw May 18, 2007 2:55 PM PDT
    would the world be better off without religion ?
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    by conplan6022 May 18, 2007 2:56 PM PDT
    "It is becomming more and more evident by the day, that the State of Israel is merely a parasite of American blood, treasure, and dignity."Posted by FeelFree1

    Sure you're a muslim trying to pollute the discourse here, stop pretending you're not. You know what's the dead giveaway that you're muslim? Your rabid hate of Israel and your constant defense of islamic terrorists.

    People aren't so easily fooled-guess you'll have to make another fake account and come back spewing the same anti-US, anti-semetic garbage that you've been brainwashed to do. Don't worry, there will always be people like me and lars008 blowing the lid off the great fraud and death cult known as Islam.
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    by king77shaw May 18, 2007 3:00 PM PDT
    support peace - stop religion
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    by feelfree1 May 18, 2007 3:06 PM PDT
    conplan6022,

    I don't consider one death cult to be any better than the next. The Israelis are proving that a country based on the Jewish death-cult is an inmittigated disaster and a colossal mistake.
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    by dogsoul May 18, 2007 3:12 PM PDT
    "Universities must be outside the circle of violence and I appeal to the president and all the wise people on both sides to try and spare the university the agony of this fight"

    Oh please, both Hamas AND Fatah specifically target civilians, women, children & the like - heck, they don't even try to deny it; just like Bin Laden, they see it as a perfectly acceptable, if not prefferable form of "resistance". Of course, short of the complete destruction of Israel - they're not going to stop - peaceful coexistence isn't even on the table. Frankly, if they didn't have some enemy against whom they could be 'martyred', I don't think they'd know what to DO with themselves... They'd find some reason to blow themselves & others up - after all, what else IS there? I mean... who wants such boring things as development, security, civilization or actually contributing towards the advancement of mankind right? They'd rather knock off early & get their enternal pension replete with virgins & such... now THAT's where it's at baby - Allah Akbar!!!
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    by hiclay2000 May 18, 2007 3:15 PM PDT
    I am a Christian, but have started studing the other two religions very open mindedly. I have a hard time jumping on the bandwagon to hate Islam. I am asking, how clean cut is the line between radical Islams(terrorists) and Islam. It seams to me that powerful dictators use the religion to rally its members. That translations of the Koran, are twisted to point the finger towards Jews and Christians.
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    by lars008-2009 May 18, 2007 3:19 PM PDT
    I don't consider one death cult to be any better than the next. The Israelis are proving that a country based on the Jewish death-cult is an inmittigated disaster and a colossal mistake.
    Posted by FeelFree1 at 03:06 PM : May 18, 2007

    that would explain this... hahahaha idiot...

    Jerusalem's Arab population rising twice as fast as its Jewish
    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070508101328.n5kdf6cf&show_article=1

    Arab citizens of Israel............ Israel's Declaration of Independence called for equal treatment under the law of all its citizens, regardless of their beliefs or national origin. Arab Israelis have had political representation since the state's first parliamentary assembly; currently, thirteen members of the Israeli Parliament are Arab-Israeli, most representing majority Arab political parties. An Arab-Israeli judge also sits on the Supreme Court,[11] and an Arab Israeli is next in line to the acting presidency (and has assumed role as such for a week-long period).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel
    Myths & Facts Online Human Rights in Israel and the Territories
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf18.html
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    by lars008-2009 May 18, 2007 3:21 PM PDT
    the religion of peace... hahahahaha

    the war muhammad started rages on 1400 years later...
    623 - Battle of Waddan
    623 - Battle of Safwan
    623 - Battle of Dul-'Ashir
    624 - Muhammad and converts begin raids on caravans to fund the movement.
    624 - Zakat becomes mandatory
    624 - Battle of Badr
    624 - Battle of Bani Salim
    624 - Battle of Eid-ul-Fitr and Zakat-ul-Fitr
    624 - Battle of Bani Qainuqa'
    624 - Battle of Sawiq
    624 - Battle of Ghatfan
    624 - Battle of Bahran
    625 - Battle of Uhud. 70 Muslims are killed.
    625 - Battle of Humra-ul-Asad
    625 - Battle of Banu Nudair
    625 - Battle of Dhatur-Riqa
    626 - Battle of Badru-Ukhra
    626 - Battle of Dumatul-Jandal
    626 - Battle of Banu Mustalaq Nikah
    627 - Battle of the Trench
    627 - Battle of Ahzab
    627 - Battle of Bani Quraiza
    627 - Battle of Bani Lahyan
    627 - Battle of Ghaiba
    627 - Battle of Khaibar
    628 - Muhammad signs treaty with Quraish.
    630 - Muhammad conquers Mecca.
    630 - Battle of Hunsin.
    630 - Battle of Tabuk
    632 - Muhammad dies.
    http://www.carm.org/islam/islam_chronology.htm
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    by dogsoul May 18, 2007 3:22 PM PDT
    "support peace - stop religion"

    hate to break it to ya buddy, but while I can see your point in terms of Islamic terror, The Crusades, & strife in Northern Ireland, maybe a handful of others - the fact is that the sum total of all truly religious based conflict amount to a slap on the wrist when compared to the wholly secular motivations behind the wars of history based on pure simple human greed for land, money, power, etc...

    From Alexander the Great, to the Roman Wars, Colonialism, WWI, WWII - take your pick... the vast vast vast majority of wars are not born out of religion... and with the exception of radical Islam, stand in stark contrast to the core teachings of most religions...
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