John And Rudy's New York Revue

National Review Online: GOP Frontrunners Duck Iraq, Dodge Immigration During Big Apple Trip

(National Review Online)  This column was written by Stephen Spruiell.

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Over 1,000 New York Republicans crowded into the ballroom of a Times Square Sheraton Thursday night to hear from presidential contenders Rudy Giuliani and John McCain, but the real elephant in the room was immigration reform. Neither candidate addressed the issue in their speeches, even though rank-and-file conservatives spent Thursday talking about little else.

McCain, of course, helped shape the immigration compromise that has so many conservatives in open revolt. For his part, Giuliani issued a statement in which he didn't really take a position on the bill, which would provide amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants living in the United States. He ignored that part and emphasized his commitment to border enforcement in general.

Conservatives hoping for either candidate to elucidate his position were left wanting. Neither candidate talked about the proposed compromise. Instead, both largely stuck to the same talking points they've recited dozens of times before, although Rudy tailored his in order to capitalize on his personal connection with New York and New Yorkers. "I didn't take a city that was unmanageable and ungovernable and make it into a city that was the best example of urban renaissance in the 1990s," Rudy told his fellow New York Republicans. "I didn't do it. You did it. We did it as a team. We did it with ideas that are the ideas we're going to put into place in Washington, and Washington needs these ideas badly." McCain delivered the keynote address (he was the first to accept the state party’s invitation), but Rudy owned the crowd.

Both of the candidates also addressed Rudy's public scolding of hapless anti-war Republican Ron Paul. For those who missed last Tuesday's Republican presidential debate, Paul tried to argue that the September 11th attackers were partially motivated by U.S. missile strikes on Iraq in the 1990s. Rudy responded, "That's an extraordinary statement. As someone who lived through the attack of September the 11th… I don’t think I’ve ever heard that before, and I’ve heard some pretty absurd explanations for September the 11th." The crowd gave Rudy a lengthy ovation. Many commentators argued that Rudy won the debate on the strength of this comeback alone.

So it came as no surprise that Rudy wanted to replay his game-winning jam for the crowd at the Sheraton. Speaking of the six jihadists recently busted for plotting a terrorist attack on Fort Dix, he asked the audience, "Why [did they want to kill our soldiers]? Because we had some attacks on Iraq in the 1990s? I don't think so."

"That was a reason given by one of our candidates on the stage the other night," Rudy added, in case anyone missed the reference.

When it was his turn to speak, McCain begrudgingly gave Rudy his props. "I’d like to express my appreciation," he conceded, "for the former mayor of this city, who Tuesday night corrected a terrible impression that might have been created that somehow we were responsible for the attack on the United States of America."

Excuse this interruption of presidential politics for a quick moment with a reality check: What’s the big deal with admitting that our pre-invasion policies toward Iraq — the sanctions, the no-fly zones, the bases to protect Saudi Arabia from Saddam’s lunatic aggression — were used to justify mass slaughter in Osama bin Laden’s various fatwas against America? That doesn’t make him right. It just identifies one dynamic at work in the evil worldview of a madman.

Nor does it make those pre-invasion policies wrong, although Ron Paul seems to think it does. Most Americans, even those who think this war was a mistake, agree that it’s probably a good thing we kicked Saddam out of Kuwait and stopped him from gassing the Kurds. I think that's an honest debate that Rudy Giuliani and John McCain should be able to win without having to make Paul out to be some kind of Osama-lover.

But there’s no denying it’s great politics. That much was evident Thursday night, as McCain continued to praise his toughest competitor. "I was proud of Rudy Giuliani's comments," McCain grumbled in obligatory deference to the great smackdown of '07. "And I was proud of him as an American. So, and… so I’m very proud of him. As you are."

Just as I was starting to wonder whether there might be a little envy mixed in with that pride, McCain said, “Somehow, now we’ve had two debates, and they always have me standing next to Rudy, so I don’t know if the fix is in or what." The audience laughed, relieved. Straight talk at last.

[im4honesty]

JUST TWO MORE SCUMBAGS!!!

[hazelknows]

Did John McCain get a new tailor, or is he still wearing the dragon skin body armor from his shopping, I mean photo opt trip in Iraq.

[alambka]

Rudy and John deserve to be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail. CBS and the MSM are embarrassments to Journalism, sleeping while our once great nation is dismantled piece by piece. The Man this "Journalist" Describes as Hapless Ron Paul is the Greatest statesman America has. He has more Patriotism, Courage, and sense than all the other republican candidates combined, although Mitt does have nice hair. I urge all people to check Ron Pauls record and principles yourself. Don't let Reporters and radio hosts think for you. THINK !!
Alan Lambka

[fredgrad2000]

McCain or Guiliani - Dems worst nightmare in 2008 since all their candidates have to pander SO far to the looney MoveOn.org left to win this year (or get Joe Lieberman'd) - a moderate Republican, could just allow the Dems to do what they do best, snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Count on the MoveOn crowd to force their candidate to the far far (think Neville Chamberlain) left; and therefore, to alienate (especially if Iraq gets any better) most of America, that is still far more moderate or right-of-center, than liberal or left-of-center than the Dem base. A moderate Republican like Giuliani, or one known for his candor and independence like McCain; might just be able to win in 2008, even despite the best efforts of the "mainstream media" and the looney left...thank god we can always count on the Dem base to pick the wrong candidate!! They have an unbeatable candidate; too bad their too dumb to identify him and have relegated him to "2nd tier"....

[fredgrad2000]

"JUST TWO MORE SCUMBAGS!!!"

Posted by im4honesty

Well that's better than the Dem primary debate today, there were 6 or 7 on stage for that in Orangeburg, SC!!

[brianreid36]

"..hapless Ron Paul?"
Another denisal of reality
Ron Paul has made a lot of friends

Amen. As of right now, Ron Paul would be the one I would vote for. He is the ONLY candidate who is willing to "tell it like it is". He is the only candidate that is living in reality. These other gentlemen are living in a dream world. If Giuliani or McCain get the endorsement of the Republican party, they will just hand the election to the Democrats. The American people are sick and tired of these wars, and Ron Paul is the only one willing to change course. God Bless Ron Paul!

Brian B.

[parnell50]

Rudy and John should be barred from the remaining debates. Check the facts boys. Mr. Ron Paul is a true statesman trying to preserve the constitution of the United States. It is time for America to wake up. I have never seen such lies. It is a sad day in America. Mr. Paul is the only candidate I will vote for. He is the only one who "tells it like it is".
God Bless Mr. Ron Paul.

[tucano2]

Neither one of these two yahoos have a chinaman's chance to get elected dogcatcher. When and if they get out of the way for a real AMERICAN candidate who will hammer the Prez and the Senators waving the white flag of surrender to the Illegal Aliens, then, and only then the Republicans have a chance. The Democrats have no chance at all thanks to the treacherous and treasonous actions of Senators like Feinstein, Kennedy, and Boxer (with assistance from McCain)
surrendering America to a small minority of noisy Illegal Aliens. What is it some otherwise smart people do not understand about Illegal/Criminal/Invader?

[gunownerdan]

RON PAUL IS THE MAN!!!

[bluestardad]

STICK A FORK IN THEM THEY ARE REPUBLICANS AND COULD NOT GET ELECTED TO DOG CATCHER!

[jasonking1001]

Ron Paul -"hapless", what does that make McCain 'oven chips' and Rudy 'i lived through 9/11', carpet munching, window licking, village idiots!

Ron Paul is a diamond in a sea of muck. If America can't elect so obvious a leader, visionary, true constitutional libertarian, then it will on the path to mediocrity and decline. Simple choice.

As for CBSNews, you are hapless twits.

[jasonking1001]

Ron Paul -"hapless", what does that make McCain 'oven chips' and Rudy 'i lived through 9/11', carpet munching, window licking, village idiots!

Ron Paul is a diamond in a sea of muck. If America can't elect so obvious a leader, visionary, true constitutional libertarian, then it will on the path to mediocrity and decline. Simple choice.

As for CBSNews, you are hapless twits.

[toddpw01]

Last week's debate was digusting. At least McCain had the guts to say that torture is more about cruelty than interrogation, and Rudy had the courage to talk about pushing alternatives to abortion and actually helping people instead of persecuting them.

But "a diamond in the muck" is about right. No candidate is perfect, of course, but I would trust Ron Paul with the presidency more than all the other GOP candidates put together.

[gunownerdan]

Dr. Ron Paul is indeeed the only presidential candidate so far who would actually obey the presidential oath of office. We need more leaders like him in order for America to stay strong!
ronpaul2008.com

[kansas1946]

The problem is that the Republicans have NO viable candidate. There is not one in the bunch that can lead this country. The party is feeding on itself and is in chaos. Unless someone pops up that we haven't seen yet, I think the Republicans can kiss 2008 good-by.