Muslim Peacekeeping Force For Iraq?

Pakistani President Proposes Multi-National, All Muslim Contingent, Removal Of "Outside Interference"

(CBS)  This story was written by Farhan Bokhari, reporting for CBS News in Pakistan.

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Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf on Tuesday proposed sending a Muslim peacekeeping force to Iraq. Musharraf has suggested his own country would send thousands of troops to join the effort, should such a plan come together.

He made the proposal at a conference of foreign ministers from Islamic countries Tuesday, following months of reports that Pakistan was lobbying for an Islamic military force to ease the burden of the U.S. military fighting against a deadly Iraqi insurgency.

Arab diplomats familiar with the Pakistani proposal tell CBS News that Pakistan is keen to build up a role for itself in the Iraq effort, by way of contributing largely to such a man-power effort. The diplomats suggest Musharraf sees the force as a way to forge closer relations with the U.S.

Musharraf and President Bush are already close allies in the U.S.-led war on terror. But Gen. Musharraf faces mounting protests at home from Pakistan's opposition political parties, while the Democrats who control Congress have increasingly questioned America's huge economical support to the south Asian country.

"The mass killing that is taking place (in Iraq), the carnage that is taking place there, has to stop. If all the warring factions — different factions in Iraq — if they accept, then maybe a Muslim peacekeeping force under the United Nations umbrella could be looked at", said Musharraf in his opening speech to the conference.

"We have to stop all outside interference in Iraq. The carnage that is taking place there has to stop, and if outside interference stops, I think internal control would be possible," Musharraf said.

Over the next two days, the foreign ministers who have gathered in Islamabad for the 57-member Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC) will discuss ways of revitalizing their group, a senior Arab diplomat attending the conference said. But he agreed that Pakistan, being the host of the event, was well placed to push for a multinational Islamic force for Iraq.

"It's impossible to say how far this idea will go. This is a complex issue," said one Arab diplomat, who spoke to CBS News on condition of anonymity. A key difficulty for such a contingent would be negotiating the deep divide and bitter resentment between Iraq's majority Shiite Muslim population and its minority Sunnis.

Pakistan's majority population is Sunni. Other countries that Pakistan has quietly been in touch with on the subject, including Egypt, Indonesia and Malaysia, are also largely Sunni countries. The world's only predominantly Shiite country, other than Iraq, is Iran.

Diplomats said it was unlikely the U.S. would accept a role for any members of the Iranian military in a future peacekeeping effort, despite recent reports of behind the scenes contacts between U.S. and Iranian officials.

"An Iranian army in Iraq for peacekeeping purposes is not something the U.S. will accept under the circumstances," said one senior western diplomat in Islamabad.

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Farhan Bokhari has been covering southeast Asia for several large European news organizations for 16 years. Based in Islamabad, his focus is security issues, in particular al Qaeda and the regional aspects of the global fight against terrorism.

[gaye5]

grazinggoat, I apologise for that.. I should read back further...
Grazinggoat, religion has a definite purpose,.. IF.. and I say IF people follow what is written in these books which talk of peace, love, tolerance, forgiveness and caring about others, we would have NON of the world wars, but the natural human greed and hatreds put an end to that, and in the past illiteracy also gave leaders the power over those that they wanted to control. If the people couldn't read and the leader could, imagine what they could say was in the bible..

You might think that the Bible is based on hearsay or fairy tails, but more and more they are finding artefacts' and proof that many of these places and people in the bible did exist, along with many other non biblical places that we never knew about..of course the media doesnt print it.
If there is no god grazinggoat then there is no reason to not hate, steal, fight, kill, beat your kids to death, other than the laws of the land which keep changing depending on the government of the day... so if we taught in schools and at home of a higher stable being, and that religious books teach about peace love etc, and people followed these principles then we would have a wonderful, peaceful world..without God we have no reason to follow the laws of the land, thus people just go by their own desires and instincts, thus our crime rate grows out of control..
As a nurse I saw things which made me believe that there is a God...

[grazinggoat]

grazinggoat you and lars008 wrote,,,
Many of the women and children were enslaved. Muhammad even took the most beautiful woman for himself and married her (Safiyah).
Posted by lars008

-Best proof this guy didn't hate Jewish Women, he married one! posted by grazingoat...

They married them after they killed their husbands and took their homes, land and goods for booty..and it was only the pretty ones that they married the others were taken as slaves..
Posted by Gaye5 at 06:37 AM : May 16, 2007

-Gaye5; don%u2019t start this. It's arse066 who started this digging in the ugly past of humans. I despise religions and hate the fairy tales based on nothing but just rumors and make believe. You start killing a people or group of individuals just because you heard of it, with no proof whatsoever. The danger is for some people, they are so sick that they look for any reason, ANY, to start a genocide, they are mentally ill. And that is the danger that I mentioned more than once to arse066. It is that by transposing the past to today, you cumulate the hatred that was stocked in the past in order to kill and get revenge. No real justice that has not been applied in a reasonable timeframe like we do nowadays. If arse066 is trying to get justice from the past, he's better forget it.
See Continued 1...

[grazinggoat]

...Continued 1
Remember what Hitler did to SOME Semites in the Middle of civilized Europe in the middle of lat century? Based on false pretending and mentions from the past...

-All humans have the right to strive on Earth. All of them with no exception have been traumatized and suffered in a way or another. Every nation is trying to defend itself the way it can best... in the middle of this competition imposed by the Creator on HUMANS on this tiny Earth everyone is dreaming of inheriting. This is why the UNITED NATIONS charter of rights has been adopted by so many nations right after the Atrocities of WW2. The world is thriving now and never ever before Humanity has been better off.
See Continued2...

[grazinggoat]

...Continued2

-This charter is so good and Devine that Zealots form all religions (that 'have to be banished') try to reject because this Charter is not mentioned in any 'holy' book, and does not fit their greedy needs of more power and ego. But when you look deep into it, one can trace its origins to the holy books expressed targets; justice among all, chance to all and rights to exist and respect to all humans on Earth. This charter of rights got to be adopted by all and kept as the new %u201810Commendments%u2019. It is that sacred.

-By the way Mohammad himself was Jewish himself, his mother Amina was from those areas where the Jewish tribes were grazing their animals, so similar to Jesus. No wonder the prolific capacity of creating religion model, in a life span. The last one who tried that is still living nowadays by the name of Rael. Google him and you%u2019ll see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rael have a nice one.

[gaye5]

Many of the women and children were enslaved. Muhammad even took the most beautiful woman for himself and married her (Safiyah).
Posted by lars008

-Best proof this guy didn't hate Jewish Women, he married one! posted by grazinggoat.

They slaughtered their husbands for goodness sake, took their homes, land and possessions, that doesnt show that Mohammad didn't hate Jewish women at all, it just showed that he hated them so much that he destroyed their husbands but took the most beautiful women for ***, the others that survived were taken as slaves to also be used for *** when it suited their owners. Mohammad chased the Jews off the land..Quran 33:26 Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive.

tomflint69 you need to be interested in Muslims and their holy books as they are interested in you and your country, and not the way you would hope.... they will slaughter all who will not submit... Quran 8:12 I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.

Why does something that we post come up with things like %u201C or %u201D in it... it is so annoying to have to read through that..

[gaye5]

Many of the women and children were enslaved. Muhammad even took the most beautiful woman for himself and married her (Safiyah).
Posted by lars008

-Best proof this guy didn't hate Jewish Women, he married one! posted by grazinggoat.

They slaughtered their husbands for goodness sake, took their homes, land and possessions, that doesnt show that Mohammad didn't hate Jewish women at all, it just showed that he hated them so much that he destroyed their husbands but took the most beautiful women for ***, the others that survived were taken as slaves to also be used for *** when it suited their owners. Mohammad chased the Jews off the land..Quran 33:26 Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive.


tomflint69 you need to be interested in Muslims and their holy books as they are interested in you and your country, and not the way you would hope.... they will slaughter all who will not submit... Quran 8:12 I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.
Why does a post come up with things like %u201C or %u201D in it... it is so annoying to have to read through that..

[gaye5]

Many of the women and children were enslaved. Muhammad even took the most beautiful woman for himself and married her (Safiyah).
Posted by lars008

-Best proof this guy didn't hate Jewish Women, he married one! posted by grazinggoat.

They slaughtered their husbands for goodness sake they took their homes, land and posesions, that doesnt show that Mohammad didnt hate Jewish women, it just showed that he hated them so much that he destroyed their husbands but took the most beautiful for ***, the others that survived were taken as slaves to also be used for *** when it suited their owners.

[tbweb]

For months I've been reading these Blogs about the U.S. getting out of Iraq by almost what seems like a 90% margin in favor! Finally someone proposes concrete help in that direction and the U.S. should not look a gift horse in the mouth and accept the offer. Personally I don't care if its an all Muslim force, no one on the U.S. side should care if its an all alien force from Mars! Accept the offer, offer to even provide the transportation if necessary and run, don't walk and don't look back! Let someone else die in this civil war because that's what it is, its not a war on terror, it a Shiite Sunni war on each other!

[gaye5]

grazinggoat you and lars008 wrote,,,
Many of the women and children were enslaved. Muhammad even took the most beautiful woman for himself and married her (Safiyah).
Posted by lars008

-Best proof this guy didn't hate Jewish Women, he married one! posted by grazingoat...

They married them after they killed their husbands and took their homes, land and goods for booty..and it was only the pretty ones that they married the others were taken as slaves..

[closethippy]

Here's a link to an article written by a former Israeli Foreign Minister that sheds some light as to what is going on in Iraq. Bush and war supporters should look into it so you guys can learn something for once.

http://jordantimes.com/wed/opinion/opinion3.htm

[gaye5]

you are dead right, and up until Moses, that is what happened in some cases, but we must not use that as an excuses to allow Muslims to slaughter us today...
Moses brought new commandments that we must love our neighbours as ourselves and to love and forgive our enemies, however the Quran started off as forgive, tolerance etc then changed to kill all who will not submit, so are you going to say, "oh well it was done 4000 years ago in the bible so we must make excuses for what the Muslims do to us now". Well, I dont want to find in 10 years that because of my stupidity in not doing anything that it is now tooo late to be able to save my grandchildren...we must realise that with even only just one percent of Muslim terrorists equals 12 million people.
incog-nito If the bible still taught for Christians to go and slaughter all who would not submit, then I would be saying the same against that... What happened in the Bible was 4000 years ago, we are living now not then... many terrible things have been done in the name of religion, but from Moses time the God of the Bible said that they MUST live in peace and love their neighbours, but the god of Islam says to slaughter all non Muslims if they wont submit till ALL the world is for allah.. many races have done terrible things over the history of man kind, but we dont carry that hate on from generation to generation..

[randalds]

Then how did Iraq become the haven it is now? Why are the Sunni and Shi'a butchering each other? Why do the Kurds want a separate state? How is it that Al-Qaeda with its extremist views can operate in such a 'secular' society?
Personally from this post and others you have made, I don't think you have a clue.

Posted by on_alert247 at 10:36 PM : May 15, 2007

Because we made it possible when we invaded Iraq and took out al-Qaeda's biggest enemy in the region, Saddam Hussein. Besides the few al-Qaeda terrorists that really are in Iraq (and they're da*mn few) are splinter groups that formed AFTER we invaded. It's our presence there that is keeping the Iraqi's from settling this civil war that we made possible so that then they can get to the business of destroying the few al-Qaeda cells that are operating there. Once the nation is properly divided into it's three natural separate entities, a ***** South, a Sunni Center and a Kurdish North, then they will each make short work of what they see as a competing threat to their own power. They never tolerated al-Qaeda in their areas before so why would they now.

[incog-nito]

Gaye5: Read the Old Testament. Much the same thing.

[incog-nito]

Gaye5: Read the Old Testament. Much the same thing.

[incog-nito]

Gaye5: Read the Old Testament. Much the same thing.

[gaye5]

And we wonder why there has been over 8000 terrorist attacks since Sep 11th and that is not counting the many attacks against Americans before Sep 11th..

%u201DIshaq:204 %u201C%u2018Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man?%u2019 %u2018Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.%u2019%u201D

Ishaq:471 %u201CWe are steadfast trusting Him. We have a Prophet by whom we will conquer all men.%u201D

Ishaq:322 %u201CI will cast terror into the hearts of those who reject Me. So strike off their heads and cut off their fingers. All who oppose Me and My Prophet shall be punished severely.%u201D

Tabari IX:122 %u201CMuhammad sent Uyaynah to raid The Banu Anbar. They killed some people and took others captive.

Ishaq:583 We smite the wicked while we swear an oath to Muhammad%u2026fighting in the quest of booty.%u201D

We must remember that pagans, Jews, Christians in the whole world are the enemy..unless we submit.. there are many verses like this on which says, Qur%u2019an 4:100 "In truth the disbelievers are your enemy.

[gaye5]

Thanks AJMarine1, I had to go out so am posting more now.. I am sick of people not knowing what they are up against, and what I have here is just a drop in the bucket.

Ishaq:288 %u201CAllah divided the booty stolen from the first caravan after he made spoils permissible. He gave four-fifths to those He had allowed to take it and one-fifth to His Apostle.%u201D
Ishaq:286 %u201CMeanwhile the Apostle sent Sa%u2019d on the raid of Abu Waqqas. The Prophet only stayed a few nights in Medina before raiding Ushayra and then Kurz.%u201D

Bukhari:V5B59N569 %u201CI fought in seven Ghazwat battles along with the Prophet and fought in nine Maghazi raids in armies dispatched by the Prophet.%u201D

Bukhari:V5B59N401 %u201CAllah%u2019s Wrath became severe on anyone the Prophet killed in Allah%u2019s Cause.%u201D
VII:20/Ishaq:287 %u201CAbd Allah told his Companions, %u2018A fifth of the booty we have taken belongs to the Apostle.%u2019 This was before Allah made surrendering a fifth of the booty taken a requirement.%u201D

VII:29/Ishaq:289 %u201CThe Apostle heard that Abu Sufyan [a Meccan merchant] was coming from Syria with a large caravan containing their money and their merchandise. He was accompanied by only thirty men.%u201D
Ishaq:289 %u201CMuhammad summoned the Muslims and said, %u2018This is the Quraysh caravan containing their property. Go out and attack it. Perhaps Allah will give it to us as prey.%u201D

[gaye5]

Does this sound like a prophet of peace.. this is the man who Muslims worship and follow today...
Qur%u2019an 33:26 %u201CAllah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.%u201D

Qur%u2019an 59:2 %u201CIt was Allah who drove the [Jewish] People of the Book from their homes and into exile. They refused to believe.
Ishaq:576 %u201CAllah and His servant overwhelmed every coward. Allah honored us and made our religion victorious. We were glorified and destroyed them all. Allah humiliated them in the worship of Satan. By what our Apostle recites from the Book and by our swift horses, I liked the punishment the infidels received. Killing them was sweeter than drink. We galloped among them panting for the spoil. With our loud-voiced army, the Apostle%u2019s squadron advanced into the fray.%u201D

Bukhari:V5B59N516 %u201CWhen Allah%u2019s Apostle fought or raided people we raised our voices saying, %u2018Allahu-Akbar! Allahu-Akbar! None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.%u2019%u201D

Ishaq:285 %u201CThen the Apostle went raiding in the month of Rabi u%u2019l-Awwal making for the Quraysh. Then he raided the Quraysh by way of Dinar.%u201D

[toldyouso21]

I think a lot of people do not know much about Muslims. Why do you think that the Saudis or no other muslim has helped out at this point? Because it would cause mayhem in their own populations as their own factions would rise up in retaliation against other groups, not to mention the anger and payback to the ones who became the lackeys of the "infidels" so what is Musharref actually proposing and why? If he goes into Iraq, mayhem will also be released in Pakistan. I believe it is his plan to use the Iraq war as an excuse to attack his own people. Under the cover of fighting terrorism, he will maintain his power like he came to power with a bloodbath. Right now, he knows he would face international condemnation if he got rid of his opposition in mass killings--he needs a legitimate front. What is the problem, Musharref is a military dictator that came to power by force and tries to pretend he put a democracy in place. Now that it is time for him to step down, he does not want to, but it is hard to claim democracy and kill thousands. He needs the cover.

So why should we care? Because Pakistan will be drawn in a war that they also cannot win and if you think the Iraqis are going to take anything off Pakistan just because they are Muslim--then you fail to understand that Pakistanis are NOT Arab and so--still outsiders. this means the broke war will still be ours and a nuclear power will now be drawn into the fray.

[on_alert247]

RandalDS said "The idea that Iraq will become an even bigger haven for terrorists if the US pulls out is a red herring. They Iraqi's are much more secularist then that and there is no reason to believe that they'll tolerate al-Qaeda to operate in their individual spheres of influence (after the country is properly divided into three separate pieces) then Saddam did."
Then how did Iraq become the haven it is now? Why are the Sunni and Shi'a butchering each other? Why do the Kurds want a separate state? How is it that Al-Qaeda with its extremist views can operate in such a 'secular' society?
Personally from this post and others you have made, I don't think you have a clue.