Texas Voters Pass Anti-Immigrant Rule

Dallas Suburb's Controversial Law Will Require Landlords To Verify Tenants' Citizenship

(CBS/AP)  Voters in a Dallas suburb became the first in the nation Saturday to prohibit landlords from renting to most illegal immigrants.

The ban was approved by a vote of 67 percent (4,058) to 32 percent (1,941).

The balloting marked the first public vote on a local government measure to crack down on illegal immigration.

"It says especially to Congress that we're tired of the out-of-control illegal immigration problem, that if Congress doesn't do something about it, cities will," said Tim O'Hare, a City Council member who was the ordinance's lead proponent.

The ordinance requires apartment managers to verify that renters are U.S. citizens or legal immigrants before leasing to them, with some exceptions.

Property managers or owners who break the rule face a misdemeanor charge punishable by a fine of up to $500.

Council members approved the ordinance in November, then revised it in January to include exemptions for minors, seniors and some families with a mix of legal residents and illegal immigrants.

Turnout was heavy.

Ofelia Rodriguez, a lifelong resident of Framers Branch and a U.S. citizen, has never voted in an election until now. Hers was a vote against 2903.

"Hey, my one vote might just make a difference this time," Rodriguez told CBS Station KTVT correspondent Stephanie Lucero at one polling place. "So hopefully I'm making a difference today to try and get my city back."

Proponents of the ordinance believed that it would address some of the city's problems.

"We received lots of complaints about overcrowding and lots of cars in front of houses that only have 900 square feet and multiple families in apartments," Ben Robinson told KTVT. "And so I hope this will help. It's something that our citizens have wanted."

Farmers Branch has become the site of protests and angry confrontations, and opponents of the regulation gathered enough signatures to force the city to put the measure on the municipal election ballot.

The city was already facing four lawsuits brought by civil rights groups, residents, property owners and businesses who contend the ordinance discriminates and that it places landlords in the precarious position of acting as federal immigration officers. Their attorneys say the ordinance attempts to regulate immigration, a duty that is exclusively the federal government's. One lawsuit also alleges the council violated the state open meetings act when deciding on the ordinance.

O'Hare contends the city's economy and quality of life will improve if illegal immigrants are kept out.

Around the country, more than 90 local governments have proposed, passed or rejected laws prohibiting landlords from leasing to illegal immigrants, penalizing businesses that employ them or training police to enforce immigration laws.

Both sides say if Congress had already passed a comprehensive immigration reform bill by now, then this debate wouldn't be taking place right now in Framers Branch.

"This is going to be a black stain on the city of Farmers Branch," one opponent to 2903 told KTVT. "This is going to be in the same column as sitting in the back of the bus."

The law will become effective in 10 days (May 22), but opponents say they will challenge it in federal court and are confident it will not become law.

"I think it's interesting when they call themselves 'Let the voters decide' and they get a petition signed to let the voters decide,
and now that it appears that the voters have decided, that's not good enough," O'Hare told KTVT.

Local proposals aimed at regulating illegal immigration often fail to pass constitutional muster, said Muzaffar Chishti, director of the Migration Policy Institute office at New York University School of Law.

"There is significant frustration, so that's what's driving it," Chishti said. "But the simple fact is they cannot do too much other than impress upon the Congress the need for immigration reform."

[mgb1unc]

If the laws that are already on the books were enforced and the federal governemnt did its job- this would *never* be an issue. It really is that simple. Enforce the laws we have. Many people are fed up and it's creating animosity, if only the governemnt did what they are obligated to do. But they don't, so these types of local laws across America will continue to be passed. Enough is enough. Enforce the law. Period.

[mgb1unc]

If the laws that are already on the books were enforced and the federal governemnt did its job- this would *never* be an issue. It really is that simple. Enforce the laws we have. Many people are fed up and it's creating animosity, if only the governemnt did what they are obligated to do. But they don't, so these types of local laws across America will continue to be passed. Enough is enough. Enforce the law. Period.

[bareemperor]

As banjos twang 'AmeriKKKa the Beautiful', our hearts swell with pride...
The 'Divider President' has become King.

[vancouverboo]

The courts will declare it unconstitutional.

The Rich People are not about to cut off their supply of cheap, paid under the table, no taxes [or health benefit premiums] with-held labor, and The Rich People control the courts. They ARE the courts (and the Legislature and the Executive).

[lestb35]

This is our country and we're going to take it back. One way or another the poeple of the United States will get rid of these lousy, good for nothing politicians that refuse to listen to us. We were taught right from wrong, we know the difference, politicians, however, are sociopaths and p1mps.

[kscptv]

Right on! Way to Go Farmers Branch, Texas! I always tease my friend from Texas, calling the republic Mexatexas. I feel the state created most of the illegal problems from back in the 1980s when they allowed the "squatters" to come over pregnant and give birth in the United States. At that time, the parents still wanted to live in Mexico, yet claim the money for their child. I praise the people of Farmers Branch and the city council. They did the right thing. Making it illegal to rent or sell a home to Illegal immigrants is the way to go.

[cbslogin12]

Well said mgb1unc!

We must enforce our laws. Illegal immigrants are criminals who have broken our laws. Why should they be given citizenship when they do not respect our laws to begin with?

Additional crime statistics on illegals are a joke. If law enforcement can not even ask if someone is an illegal in most cities, then we really do not have the correct information about how many of them are continuing to break our laws.

This policy is insane! Our law enforcement agencies have EVERY right to find out if someone is breaking the law no matter who they are.

The government needs to secure our borders. Deport every illegal immigrant when discovered. Stop giving citizenship to babies born here whose parents are not citizens. Prosecute anyone assists law breakers.

[kscptv]

Now Congress just needs to pass a law like they did in Canada. If at least one of your parents are not Canadian citizens, then your children born inside Canada do not have rights to citizenship. That is how WE need to handle it. Then illegals would not be able to send their children to our public schools for free education.

Also, WE need to impose tougher sanctions on the Catholic Church. They know that the Mexicans and other Central American illegals are the only population inside the U.S. who will support their church, therefore they, the Catholic Church, want special treatment for dealing with those who are here illegally. I say NO WAY. The Catholic Church wants to break Federal Laws by hiding, relocating and paying for the illegals to stay. Doesn't this behavior sound familiar? Oh yeah, they did the same this with the Priest.

Now the challenge before us is to pass local laws that prohibit social and religious organizations from assisting those who are here illegally. Without any housing or public assistance then they will see they are NOT wanted in this country and hopefully return home.

[jimkun]

"illegal aliens are terrorists"? No wonder this country is in the shape it is, and no wonder ordinances like this passes.

In the end, it looks like a very poorly thought out piece of legislation.

Approximately one fourth of the population made a decision that will now require all residents (I assume) to provide proof of US citizenship. Assuming many residents are not native Dallasites or even native Texans, assuming many do not have passports (statistically approximately 20% of Americans do) and perhaps many are not registered voters, and theoretically they have 10 days to get their proof of US citizenship. I am sure there will be some type of grace period or else we'll see lots of US citizens potentially being booted out. In the meantime, I am sure this will be a boon for people who make fake documents. So in the end, the city has accomplished nothing except for building resentment in the community, not only in Farmers Branch but in surrounding communities as well. I wonder if city officials have considered what to do about loss in tax revenue as I am sure there will be people, like myself, who decide not to do business in Flower Mound anymore.

Instead of wasting time, energy, and money on unenforcible ordinances, people should be trying to solve problems. Similar to other problems in this country, people are too quick to apply bandaids to the symptoms rather than looking to fix the source of the problem. No wonder we never make any progress.

[cbslogin12]

Well said mgb1unc!

We must enforce our laws. Illegal immigrants are criminals who have broken our laws. Why should they be given citizenship when they do not respect our laws to begin with?

Additional crime statistics on illegals are a joke. If law enforcement can not even ask if someone is an illegal in most cities, then we really do not have the correct information about how many of them are continuing to break our laws.

This is insane! Our law enforcement agencies have EVERY right to find out if someone is breaking the law no matter who they are.

The government needs to secure our borders. Deport every illegal immigrant when discovered. Stop giving citizenship to babies born here whose parents are not citizens. Prosecute anyone assists law breakers.

[hypnotoad72]

A good start.

Illegal immigrants only hamper the lives of legal immigrants who come here by the rules and wish to help themselves AND America.

Politicians talk of "rule of law". Then to read recently (thank you CBS) that politicians on both sides want to grant amnesty for illegal aliens; I'm sorry, that is morally wrong.

I'll also bet $5 Paris Hilton will be given clemency...

[lorinkundert]

What is the problem with using the proper terminology? There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant, immigrants enter this country following the correct legal procedures. The people you are describing are illegal aliens.

[linfinster]

How can an illegal immigrant go to court and say their rights are being trampled on when they are breaking the law themselves?. Just come into the country leagally and there wont be a problem! Will it be impossible for some to do that, yes, I know it, but otherwise we'll have the mess we have now forever.

[kscptv]

Now Congress just needs to pass a law like they did in Canada. If at least one of your parents are not Canadian citizens, then your children born inside Canada do not have rights to citizenship. That is how WE need to handle it. Then illegals would not be able to send their children to our public schools for free education.

Also, WE need to impose tougher sanctions on the Catholic Church. They know that the Mexicans and other Central American illegals are the only population inside the U.S. who will support their church, therefore they, the Catholic Church, want special treatment for dealing with those who are here illegally. I say NO WAY. The Catholic Church wants to break Federal Laws by hiding, relocating and paying for the illegals to stay. Doesn't this behavior sound familiar? Oh yeah, they did the same this with the Priest.

Now the challenge before us is to pass local laws that prohibit social and religious organizations from assisting those who are here illegally. Without any housing or public assistance then they will see they are NOT wanted in this country and hopefully return home.

[kscptv]

Congress just needs to pass a law like they did in Canada. If at least one of your parents are not Canadian citizens, then your children born inside Canada do not have rights to citizenship. That is how WE need to handle it. Then illegal aliens would not be able to send their children to our public schools for free education.

Also, WE need to impose tougher sanctions on the Catholic Church. They know that the Mexicans and other Central American illegal aliens are the only population inside the U.S. who will support their church, therefore they, the Catholic Church, want special treatment for dealing with those who are here illegally. I say NO WAY. The Catholic Church wants to break Federal Laws by hiding, relocating and paying for the illegal aliens to stay. Doesn't this behavior sound familiar? Oh yeah, they did the same this with the Priest.

Now the challenge before us is to pass local laws that prohibit social and religious organizations from assisting those who are here illegally. Without any housing or public assistance then they will see they are NOT wanted in this country and hopefully return home.

[lestb35]

DEPORT NOW. We're mad as h3ll and we're not going to take this anymore.

[ramos937]

The Hispanic culture streches from the tip of South America to include all of North American. An injustice done to one culture class is an injustice to the entire Hispanic class regardless of citizenship. This is what happened in FB Saturday.

FB will now suffer economic consequences. First, gradually Hispanic owned firms within FB will relocate. This will cause substancial unemployment. Second, the tax base will suffer due to this exodus. Third, in order to survive, any town needs to replinish its population. FB now has the reputation of being a racist town. No outside individual will want to raise his/her family in such a town. Fourth, the opponents will enjoy "pro bono" legal help in fighting the ordinance. FB will have to budget thousands of dollars for legal fees.

FB now has a self imposed stigma that will take generations to overcome - if it can.

[omega39-2009]

businesses want cheap foreign labor so they don't have to pay a living wage. We (the taxpayers) subsidize this low wage with public services such as food stamps and free medical care, perhaps we should start subsidizing these jobs directly with tax payer money so the wage is good enough to attract an American born worker. Either way, we are going to pay.

[mikealford3]

GOOD FOR FARMERS BRANCH, TEXAS.

At least one community in this nation has the guts to take a stand against illegal immigration.

[bellal-2009]

Posted by omega39 at 01:37 PM : May 13, 2007

Exactly. The social services are costing us taxpayers a fortune. This whole thing has been orchestrated by Wall Street and perpetuated by sleazy low life politicians. We need a tax revolt in this country. Let's stop paying taxes and demand amnesty.

[grimloxz]

I'll give you this, you Americans have the right to allow or not allow anyone into your country - that's absolutely your call. Be prepared for the label that will come out of the practice and the means and vitriol with which it was enforced.

After that, you Americans are really simps. You think that the presence of 'illegal aliens' is really what's draining your economic system?

You live in a country with more concentrated wealth than the world has ever seen in all history, with a greater disparity in wealth and landownership between rich and poor (that's growing rapidly) and you think it's the 'illegal aliens' that's your problem?

Your people are lost if you represent the common thought and deserve their fate.

[grimloxz]

I'll give you this, you Americans have the right to allow or not allow anyone into your country - that's absolutely your call. Be prepared for the label that will come out of the practice and the means and vitriol with which it was enforced.

After that, you Americans are really simps. You think that the presence of 'illegal aliens' is really what's draining your economic system?

You live in a country with more concentrated wealth than the world has ever seen in all history, with a greater disparity in wealth and landownership between rich and poor (that's growing rapidly) and you think it's the 'illegal aliens' that's your problem?

Your people are lost if you represent the common thought and deserve your fate.

[linfinster]

I was corrected earlier by someone who said illegal ALIENS is the right terminology, not immigrants. THANK YOU!
As far as the welfare piece goes as some have brought up here, I'd like to state, as a welfare worker in my state and doling out the Federal Food Stamp program(there are individual state food stamps programs too ..) We are required to document 2 forms of proof of citizenship now before we can issue stamps to people. Major hassle and work added to an alredy overburdened system, but well worth the effort.

[pmarkley]

The headline of this story is misleading: "Texas Voters Pass Anti-Immigrant Rule." The story is about an anti-ILLEGAL immigrant rule. I'm not normally a bash-the-media type, but I have noticed repeated misleading headlines like this, in which various news outlets blur the line between immigration in general and illegal immigration. I'm all for immigration, but not for illegal immigration. I support laws and candidates for office that crack down on the businesses and landlords who depend on illegal immigration.

[starleo146]

You know this one issue is going to cause the democrats a lot grief It is a catholic thing to give them amnesty I feel that is why Kennedy is coming out against sending them home. We have immigration laws why don't they enforce those and get our borders straight would be a start go to the work establishment and send them home if they are illegal why are they playing games. The Canadian law I like if the illegals do not like it take the baby back to the original home they came from . They keep talking about medicare being in trouble WONDER WHY

[lastdance2]

Remember ! ! ! !

Hiltler :

Did - the very, same to the Jew's.

Same mentally, Same Ideology, Same excuse.

Different Victim thats all ! ! !

Research :
The Project for the New American Century
(copy and paste - Google)

The authors of this, could have written :
"The "Nazi" manifesto.

Lastdance

[randalds]

Your people are lost if you represent the common thought and deserve their fate.
Posted by Grimloxz at 02:28 PM : May 13, 2007

Bravo! The idea that it's the illegal immigrants that are causing the drain on the American economy is ludicrous! The so-called "common wisdom" that they use up all of our social resources, but don't pay anything in taxes is also ridiculous. The vast majority of illegals in this country are hard working family people and yes many of them work under phony papers like Social security cards, but think about that for a second. That means taxes are taken out of their checks, but they don't dare file to get a return of over payment PLUS they'll never collect Social Security on that number because they're too afraid of being deported to file for it when they get old. It's time to stop these ignorant "Send them all back" bumper sticker ideas and start addressing some realistic solutions, like a Guest Worker program and a REAL path to citizenship.

[omega39-2009]

hey omega - you think you have some NEW news??? fu(king NO DUH rocket scientist.
Posted by nigrAPES

NigrAPES, my posts may not be as well thought out and reasoned as "GO BACK TO MEXISLUMO!!! SPI(S GO THE FU(K AWAY FAR FAR AWAY!!!" but I will work on them.

Omega

[randalds]

Greasy slimy filthy dirty river monkeys GO BACK TO MEXISLUMO!!! SPI(S GO THE FU(K AWAY FAR FAR AWAY!!!
YOU STINK TO HIGH HEAVEN YOU BRING DISEASE AND DRAIN ALL OF OUR RESOURCES!!! YOU ARE WORTHLESS PIECES OF TRASH!! YOU ARE STUPID UNEDUCATED CRIMINAL WH0RE DOGS.
Posted by nigrAPES at 01:39 PM : May 13, 2007

The words of what lies just below the surface of many anti-immigration types and nearly all of the so-called "Minutemen" (which is probably their wives name for them too) who are nothing more then KKK Lite.

Join the Minutemen! Don't forget to include your sheet size along with a hat size for the pointy cap! Oh and don't expect to get promoted to Grand Wizard right away. That's for the racists who were in the Klan before this "organization" came along.

[omega39-2009]

Exactly. The social services are costing us taxpayers a fortune. This whole thing has been orchestrated by Wall Street and perpetuated by sleazy low life politicians.
Posted by bellaL

BellaL, you can thank the business round table for that, from their website...

Established in 1995 to continue the momentum of the White House Conference on Travel and Tourism, TBR has helped ensure that the diverse industry speaks with a unified and powerful voice. Members of Congress and members of the media now recognize TBR as the leading voice on government policy in Washington.

With its membership of some 70 CEOs and senior executives from the leading travel-related
companies, TBR is truly representative of the many sectors that comprise the travel and
tourism industry.

[bellal-2009]

Randal, they may be paying SS taxes but they're not paying income taxes and they are using social services. Also most are being paid under the table or as contract labor with no witholding. They are definately a drain on the system. The school system, the social service system, the tax system (IRS dealing with fraudulent SS#s) and penal system, law enforcement. We owe these people nothing. They need to go home.

[frankinaz]

I am glad this city took a brave stand and is disallowing ILLEGAL immigrants from renting places to live within its city limits. There is nothing wrong or unconstitutional with this law, because it is aimed at stopping an uncontrolled invasion of foreign nationals to this country. The Federal Government is doing all but nothing to stop illegal immigration, so I do not blame lower levels of government for enacting ordinances to end this problem. It should be a felony to enter and live in this country illegally and be a deportable offense, as any crime illegal immigrants commit in the U. S should be. However, the most important part to ending illegal immigration is to stop offering these people jobs. Illegal immigration will continue to be a problem in this country until ways to deny these people a way to earn a living
in this country, and the means to stay here. Since this law will be challenged in the courts, good luck, and may the court approve this measure.

[coffeehead-2009]

For those who follow immigration issues only infrequently, few can believe that immigrants come to the United States and, without ever having worked a day in America or without being able to speak a word of English, can immediately quality for S. S. I.

But it%u2019s true. Collecting S.S.I. is a simple three-step process:

Step one ---undertake the apparently easy task of finding an unscrupulous physician (preferably one of your own ethnicity) to %u201Cconfirm%u201D your %u201Csymptoms.%u201D
Step two---submit bogus paperwork to the nearest S.S.I. office
Step three---proceed to your mailbox to pick up your monthly check.

The uninitiated might be also surprised at what qualifies for S.S.I --- popular disabilities include alcohol or drug addiction and the almost impossible to prove %u201Cpost war traumatic stress syndrome.%u201D

Then there is the %u201Canchor baby%u201D outrage. Children born to illegal aliens are automatic U.S. citizens. When the child turns eighteen, he can then petition the federal government on behalf of his parents to change their status to permanent resident. This is done as a matter of course.

And according to statistics gathered by Cosman, during 2003 the San Joaquin General Hospital in the sanctuary city of Stockton, CA., 70% of the 2,300 deliveries were %u201Canchor babies.%u201D

http://www.vdare.com/guzzardi/050315_cosman.htm

[coffeehead-2009]

For those who follow immigration issues only infrequently, few can believe that immigrants come to the United States and, without ever having worked a day in America or without being able to speak a word of English, can immediately quality for S. S. I.

But it%u2019s true. Collecting S.S.I. is a simple three-step process:

Step one ---undertake the apparently easy task of finding an unscrupulous physician (preferably one of your own ethnicity) to %u201Cconfirm%u201D your %u201Csymptoms.%u201D
Step two---submit bogus paperwork to the nearest S.S.I. office
Step three---proceed to your mailbox to pick up your monthly check.

The uninitiated might be also surprised at what qualifies for S.S.I --- popular disabilities include alcohol or drug addiction and the almost impossible to prove %u201Cpost war traumatic stress syndrome.%u201D

Then there is the %u201Canchor baby%u201D outrage. Children born to illegal aliens are automatic U.S. citizens. When the child turns eighteen, he can then petition the federal government on behalf of his parents to change their status to permanent resident. This is done as a matter of course.

And according to statistics gathered by Cosman, during 2003 the San Joaquin General Hospital in the sanctuary city of Stockton, CA., 70% of the 2,300 deliveries were %u201Canchor babies.%u201D

http://www.vdare.com/guzzardi/050315_cosman.htm

[michellem99-2009]

I was born here in the US of A. I am 52. I feel that we need to step upto the plate here. I am not down on the ones who come here legally. Learn english and and when that oath each takes should be meaningful as they truly cares to learn what it means to be American.
It is not fair to to us that iilegals have taken over this nation. They have no rights under the constution. They can't whine here. There are Americans who are dirt poor living here.
Bush guest worker program needs to end as they have no rights. Poor thinking here. I was shocked when this came to be. I feel they can go back to their nations and if they want to live here do it as a legal not iilegal. I am just a lay person.

[frankinaz]

Comparing what Adolf Hitler did to the Jews to the illegal immigration problem here is similar to comparing apples and oranges. First, the Jews in Nazi Germany at that time were legal German citizens who were part of German society.
Jews, because of their race and religion, were then persecuted as Hitler and the Nazis
assumed power and controlled Germany.
Illegal immigrants, although mainly from Mexico,
are from many different countries, nationalities, and races. Every sovereign nation
should have control of its borders, who it lets in, and the number of legal immigrants and visitors it should allow.
However,illegal immigration is all but out of control in this country; overrunning the Southern borders, and overwhelming local resources in the border states with Mexico. This is not an issue about race or religion, but about people who break the laws of this country, drain the taxpayers, and live here-Illegally. Its time to stop allowing these people to take advantage of the legal American taxpayers, and disallow them from entering this country and living here.

[randalds]

We owe these people nothing. They need to go home.
Posted by bellaL at 03:16 PM : May 13, 2007

And I disagree. I just don't see that happening out here in Los Angeles where more of them are then just about anywhere in the country. Yes they pay income tax because all of the ones I know fill out their W-4 just like any other employees and only the ones working day labor (which is a tiny percentage around here) work for cash. All of the ones out here working in hotels, restaurants, grocery stores, etc are all on payrolls and paying their share of taxes. In fact many of the ones out here OWN their own businesses and hire other people, both illegals and legals. They HAVE assimilated (to a large degree) here in L.A. and make as good or better citizens then many Americans and certainly better then many of the people posting on this board (yourself excluded, I know you're sincere). Their children are fluent in English and are starting their own jobs and careers as natural born Americans. They are no different then any other large wave of immigrants that landed here from Europe and I'm proud to have them as my neighbors and as Americans. We owe them a chance.

[generey]

And why would this law be considered "controversial"?

[grimloxz]

"We owe these people nothing. They need to go home." - bellaL

Do you now? Americans 'owe' a lot more than they think. But it is useless to remind you.

I'll bet none of the people that write on this board are from the decision-making class of this country yet you suppport them so fervently, as if it was your own power and business interest being threatened. None of you have even seen that side of the fence, I'm sure, except for what is seen on your amply supplied television programming. There's a label for people like that.

A professor friend of mine told me it was similar to the situation with your American Civil War - most of the people who fought for the Confederacy with fervant pride never even owned a slave or had the land for them to be forced to work on, but acted like it was their 'business' being threatened by the Northerners.

This situation seems pretty familar to me.

By the way, they'll go home when 'you' get out of their country (all of them). Still need explaining on that one? That's why the American public, save a small fraction, is LOST.

[bellal-2009]

Do you now? Americans 'owe' a lot more than they think. But it is useless to remind you.


No we don't

[bellal-2009]

Posted by RandalDS at 03:54 PM : May 13, 2007

Once again Randal, where do you draw the line. Do we even need a country, citizens a border? And you know you're mistaken about the taxes. Many if not most are paid as contract labor.

[randalds]

A professor friend of mine told me it was similar to the situation with your American Civil War - most of the people who fought for the Confederacy with fervant pride never even owned a slave or had the land for them to be forced to work on, but acted like it was their 'business' being threatened by the Northerners.

This situation seems pretty familar to me.

Posted by Grimloxz at 04:13 PM : May 13, 2007

That is an excellent analogy! Esp the part about it being the Confederacy being in the wrong. What they fought the most was change. They fought the very idea that they needed to change and that's what's happening here in the States. Change IS coming. Even if the US somehow managed to stop all illegal from coming over the Southern border and somehow managed to get rid of the 12 million here (which hasn't a snowballs chance in hell of happening) the change that is coming is that by 2050 white people will no longer be in the majority. They will have been replaced in America by Brown people and Asians and that sends a tremor of terror through many White Americans. If they can admit it to themselves or not, it's that truth that lies just below the surface of all of their reasons for wanting to throw the illegals out. They're trying to stop the inevitable, the Browning of America.

[omega39-2009]

RandalDS, I am not disagreeing with much of what you are saying but here in California you must show two forms of legal ID to get a job and being illegal precludes them from doing that. Yes, they may be paying SS into a bogus account number but by claiming ten dependents they can reduce their federal and state withholdings to near zero. I find it hard to believe that an illegal immigrant would file a return under a fake taxpayer ID and not expect to raise red flags within the IRS and franchise tax board. I have read many stories of people being contacted by the IRS concerning unreported wages, most of these people have spent considerable time proving they weren't responsible.

[nmsuip]

"Texas Voters Pass Anti-Immigrant Rule"

It's not anti-immigrant. It's anti-ILLEGAL immigrant.

Once again, another feeble attempt to blur the issue...

[vancouverboo]

The Rich People won't be satisfied until America is another latin american country, with The Rich on top, and the rest of us peons.

Outsourcing and wettie labor are their means to achieve this. Them and their toadies in Congress and the White House.

[randalds]

RandalDS, I am not disagreeing with much of what you are saying but here in California you must show two forms of legal ID to get a job and being illegal precludes them from doing that. Yes, they may be paying SS into a bogus account number but by claiming ten dependents they can reduce their federal and state withholdings to near zero. I find it hard to believe that an illegal immigrant would file a return under a fake taxpayer ID and not expect to raise red flags within the IRS and franchise tax board. I have read many stories of people being contacted by the IRS concerning unreported wages, most of these people have spent considerable time proving they weren't responsible.
Posted by omega39 at 04:39 PM : May 13, 2007


But that's the point, they don't file for tax returns at all, so they don't get any overpayment back and the smart ones know that claiming a bunch of dependants raises red flags to, so they only claim a very few. They're whole goal is to stay below the radar, which is also why most of them are careful not to break any laws here and call attention to themselves. Sure there are bad ones who do, but I would venture to guess there are fewer then in regular society. As for two forms of legal ID, I can walk down to MacArthur park here in L.A. and buy any ID I want for less then $200. From Green Cards, to Drivers Licenses to SS Cards. Easy and nearly impossible to trace or detect. At least as far as employers are concerned anyway.

[susanhelit]

A good law - apartment owners can already be told to kick out others breaking the law there - such as drug dealers - this is a very reasonable extension.


Illegal aliens are NOT welcome here, other than by businesses looking for workers they can pay unreasonable wages and work in unsafe conditions.


And Randal - you should look up stats. Yes, illegals pay taxes. But - guess what - they also manage to get tax refunds! And the taxes paid do NOT at all pay for the costs to our society of illegal aliens - schools, emergency rooms (our hospitals are in horrible shape due to having so many unpaid bills), social security (did you know they're not allowed to look into suspicions that the person applying is illegal?), not to mention the general infrastructure, rights and benefits of America that all of our taxes pay for. They are a drain on our economy, allow unscrupulous employers to avoid paying a fair wage, take the starter jobs our lower classes and students need to enter the workforce, and far too often bring in undesirable diseases or criminal records (America is a great place to go to avoid your own country's police).

[susanhelit]

Randal - those 'bad ones who do' are much, much, much more common than you think. Illegal aliens form a disproportionate number of people in our jails for violent crimes. They've got no fear of being caught - that just means a free ride back to Mexico (or other home country), at the very worst - but most police aren't even allowed to do anything if they catch an illegal alien - they do nothing! Only the INS is authorized to pick them up and deport them, so once here, they're very safe.


And the racist rants - those are on both sides - you should hear what they say about us, about how they're going to reconquer California.

[susanhelit]

Randal - those 'bad ones who do' are much, much, much more common than you think. Illegal aliens form a disproportionate number of people in our jails for violent crimes. They've got no fear of being caught - that just means a free ride back to Mexico (or other home country), at the very worst - but most police aren't even allowed to do anything if they catch an illegal alien - they do nothing! Only the INS is authorized to pick them up and deport them, so once here, they're very safe.


And the racist rants - those are on both sides - you should hear what they say about us, about how they're going to reconquer California.

[stokeybob]

America REBORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!