No Bail For Fort Dix Six

Foreign-Born Men Charged With Plotting Attack On Army Base Considered A Flight Risk

(CBS/AP)  Six men arrested this week and charged with plotting to massacre soldiers at Fort Dix were ordered held without bail on Friday.

Prosecutors argued that the men, all born outside the United States, pose a flight risk.

The men — four of them ethnic Albanians from the former Yugoslavia, one from Jordan and one from Turkey — have been held at a federal detention center in Philadelphia since their arrest Monday night.

Five of the men are charged with conspiring to kill uniformed military personnel, an offense punishable by life in prison. They are Mohamad Ibrahim Shnewer, 22; Serdar Tatar, 23; Dritan "Anthony" or "Tony" Duka, 28; Shain Duka, 26; and Eljvir "Elvis" Duka, 23,

Agron Abdullahu, 24, is charged with helping illegal immigrants obtain weapons, and could face 10 years in prison if convicted.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Stephen Stigall argued against letting Shnewer be released on bail to the custody of his parents while awaiting trial.

"The problem with this package is that the actions that are alleged were going on at that house," he said.

Friends and relatives of Shnewer offered to post several properties they own worth a total of about $600,000 as collateral to support bail for him.

A more detailed bail hearing will be held next Thursday for Abdullahu, who faces the least serious charges of the six.

Authorities say the men were preparing to buy automatic weapons to use in an attack on Fort Dix when they were arrested. They targeted the Army post, which is 25 miles east of Philadelphia and primarily used to train reservists, partly because one of them had delivered pizzas there and was familiar with the base, according to court filings. The objective: to kill "as many American soldiers as possible."

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The men, all in their 20s, have lived in and around Philadelphia for years, worshipped at moderate mosques, have family members close by and worked blue-collar jobs installing roofs, driving a cab, delivering pizzas and baking bread.

Defense lawyers for some of the men said they are considering attacking the prosecution's heavy reliance on two paid informants who infiltrated the group more than a year ago and recorded conversations with the defendants.

Attorney Rocco Cipparone, who is representing defendant Mohamad Ibrahim Shnewer, whom he described as a "hardworking cab driver," said he'll look into "the role of paid informants and how aggressive they were in potentially prodding or moving things along."

Authorities said they first learned about the men in January 2006 after a tip from a clerk at a Mount Laurel electronics store. The clerk called local police because a home video the men wanted transferred to a DVD looked like it might have terrorist links, U.S. Attorney Christopher J. Christie said.

Earlier this year, authorities said, the men took a training trip to the Pocono Mountains in Pennsylvania, where they fired weapons and played paintball to prepare for an attack.

In the wake of 9/11, more than 400,000 names have come under one form of government surveillance or another, from watch lists to wiretaps, reported CBS News chief investigative correspondent Armen Keteyian.

[gunnerv1]

NO BAIL, PERIOD! What part of "Flight Risk" do they not understand.

[one_american]

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslims...is anyone surprised by this fact?

As soon as the press wakes up and realizes that CAIR is the great enabler, the modern-day Trojan horse to Islamic Supremacy and terrorism in America, the sooner America will have a fighting chance at stopping this scourge.

[lars008-2009]

there are no moderate muslims...
there are fascist nazi islamic muslims and
fascist nazi islamic muslim Collaborators...

HASSAN EXPOSES THE MYTH OF MODERATE ISLAM

The Network

Hassan Butt Tells Bob Simon Killing In The Name Of Islam Is A "Cancer"

"The position of moderate Muslims is that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism. Do you buy that?" Simon asks.

"No, absolutely not. By completely being in denial about it's like an alcoholic basically. Unless an alcoholic acknowledges that he has a problem with alcohol, he's never gonna be able to go forward," Butt argues. "And as long as we, as Muslims, do not acknowledge that there is a violent streak in Islam, unless we acknowledge that, then we are gonna always lose the battle to the militants, by being in complete denial about it."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/23/60minutes/main2602308_page3.shtml

execute them now as spies under the geneva convention that all non uniformed combatants are spies... you can't have a trial for the millions of these fascist nazi islamic muslim nuts that have invaded the USA...

[lars008-2009]

there are no moderate muslims...
there are fascist nazi islamic muslims and
fascist nazi islamic muslim Collaborators...

HASSAN EXPOSES THE MYTH OF MODERATE ISLAM

The Network

Hassan Butt Tells Bob Simon Killing In The Name Of Islam Is A "Cancer"

"The position of moderate Muslims is that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism. Do you buy that?" Simon asks.

"No, absolutely not. By completely being in denial about it's like an alcoholic basically. Unless an alcoholic acknowledges that he has a problem with alcohol, he's never gonna be able to go forward," Butt argues. "And as long as we, as Muslims, do not acknowledge that there is a violent streak in Islam, unless we acknowledge that, then we are gonna always lose the battle to the militants, by being in complete denial about it."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/23/60minutes/main2602308_page3.shtml

execute them now as spies under the geneva convention that all non uniformed combatants are spies... you can't have a trial for the millions of these fascist nazi islamic muslim nuts that have invaded the USA...

[rongee11]

Jail these *** and throw away the key. What more reprehensible conduct can one have than after being allowed to reap the largess of this county, decides to stab it in the back. Very comparable to the actions of the 9-11 scum.

[neoconrcrazy]

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslims...is anyone surprised by this fact......

Posted by One_American


You have forgotton State Terrorism as practiced by israel against the Palestinians and as we are doing against the iraqis -

so the fact is the majority of the terrorists are coming from the judeo-christian world.

[rongee11]

Jail these *** and throw away the key. What more reprehensible conduct can one have than after being allowed to reap the largess of this county, decides to stab it in the back. Very comparable to the actions of the 9-11 scum.

[lars008-2009]

CAN WE KILL THEM NOW???

if it is ok for fascist nazi islamic muslims to kill all non muslims everywhere.... is it ok for the non muslims to kill all fascist nazi islamic muslims???

Wouldn't killing 5.1 BILLION people (the number of non muslims in the world) be the very definition of barbarism???
Or is it fascist nazi islam%u2019s way of solving global warming???

Switching Sides: Inside The Enemy Camp

But then in 2000, well before his arrest, something happened which would make Abas question everything he believed in: a fatwa, a religious edict, was issued by Osama bin Laden.

"It should be understood that killing Americans and Jews anywhere found are the highest act of worship and the highest form of good deeds in the eyes of Allah," Simon quotes bin Laden.

Abas and his fellow commanders were ordered to read the fatwa to their men and make sure they carried it out. The others obeyed, but Abas refused. It was his moment of truth. He firmly believed that jihad was to be fought only on the battlefield in defense of Islam; he had always been taught that the killing of civilians had nothing to do with holy war and that it was forbidden.

The fatwa justified killing non-Muslim civilians everywhere.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/04/60minutes/main2761108.shtml?source=RSSattr=60Minutes_2761108

[lars008-2009]

CAN WE KILL THEM NOW???

if it is ok for fascist nazi islamic muslims to kill all non muslims everywhere.... is it ok for the non muslims to kill all fascist nazi islamic muslims???

Wouldn't killing 5.1 BILLION people (the number of non muslims in the world) be the very definition of barbarism???
Or is it fascist nazi islam%u2019s way of solving global warming???

Switching Sides: Inside The Enemy Camp

But then in 2000, well before his arrest, something happened which would make Abas question everything he believed in: a fatwa, a religious edict, was issued by Osama bin Laden.

"It should be understood that killing Americans and Jews anywhere found are the highest act of worship and the highest form of good deeds in the eyes of Allah," Simon quotes bin Laden.

Abas and his fellow commanders were ordered to read the fatwa to their men and make sure they carried it out. The others obeyed, but Abas refused. It was his moment of truth. He firmly believed that jihad was to be fought only on the battlefield in defense of Islam; he had always been taught that the killing of civilians had nothing to do with holy war and that it was forbidden.

The fatwa justified killing non-Muslim civilians everywhere.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/04/60minutes/main2761108.shtml?source=RSSattr=60Minutes_2761108

[lars008-2009]

CAN WE KILL THEM NOW???

if it is ok for fascist nazi islamic muslims to kill all non muslims everywhere.... is it ok for the non muslims to kill all fascist nazi islamic muslims???

Wouldn't killing 5.1 BILLION people (the number of non muslims in the world) be the very definition of barbarism???
Or is it fascist nazi islam%u2019s way of solving global warming???

Switching Sides: Inside The Enemy Camp

But then in 2000, well before his arrest, something happened which would make Abas question everything he believed in: a fatwa, a religious edict, was issued by Osama bin Laden.

"It should be understood that killing Americans and Jews anywhere found are the highest act of worship and the highest form of good deeds in the eyes of Allah," Simon quotes bin Laden.

Abas and his fellow commanders were ordered to read the fatwa to their men and make sure they carried it out. The others obeyed, but Abas refused. It was his moment of truth. He firmly believed that jihad was to be fought only on the battlefield in defense of Islam; he had always been taught that the killing of civilians had nothing to do with holy war and that it was forbidden.

The fatwa justified killing non-Muslim civilians everywhere.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/04/60minutes/main2761108.shtml?source=RSSattr=60Minutes_2761108

[bigsk8fan]

American justice will be able to handle this case without turning it into a lynching. we don't need to resort to extra ordinary laws. no patriot act. no martial law. no back alley executions. simply charge them, try them, and when convicted sentence them. in this way, you make others around the world desire to be more like us. then we win.

[sevenveils]

"You have forgotton State Terrorism as practiced by israel against the Palestinians and as we are doing against the iraqis"..... "so the fact is the majority of the terrorists are coming from the judeo-christian world." -neoconRcrazy

Your altering the facts does not alter your lies into truth. Palestinian criminal terrorist acts on innocent Israels occur on a daily basis. Hamas and Palestinian rockets and suicide bombers kill random unsuspecting civilians, just like the Iranian and al Qeada backed criminals murder hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi men women and children, by attacking schools, shops and homes.

Your kind does not know peace even in death.

[lars008-2009]

what do you call an organization that:

kills you if you don't join it...
kills you if you leave it...
kills you if you don't do what they tell you to do..
kills you if you speak against it%u2026.
kills anybody that is not a member of it...
still practices pagan rituals...
allows the r a p e of babies and animals...

a. satanic cult???
b. islam???
c. all the above???

[colonieny]

Not all Muslims are crazy terrorists, but virtually all crazy terrorists are Muslims.

NeoConR would like to ignore this fact and at the same time attack Israel, just a small Democracy in the swamp of Arab intolerance. Why are they so hateful in intolerant ? I for one am thankful for the Patriot Act. I would want all Muslims screened carefully, all Mosques monitored for intolerant hate speech. By doing so, the rest of us and our society has a chance to keep our freedoms. Once entrenced, these guys want to impose their religion, their views, and their intolerance upon all of us, witness Enland, France and the rest of Europe. Beware America.
Good JOB American Gov't !

[mbcsmith]

CBS FAILS to mention that 3 of these animals are ILLEGAL ALIENS. Doesn't fit the LIB CBS agenda of open borders.

[lars008-2009]

It is convenient for liberals and fascist nazi Islamic muslims to forget that the "Grand Mufti of Jerusalem" went to Germany as a guest of Hitler during WWII...and begged Hitler to find the "final solution" to the jewish problem. This same Grand mufti used his influence to raise Two Muslim SS Divisions in Yugoslavia (Kosovo) and Albaina. These divisions were responsible for the murder of almost 1 Million jews, Serbs and Gypsies.

This same Grand Mufti was the maternal uncle of Yassir Arafat! The Mufti's war continues today worldwide.
http://www.sullivan-county.com/immigration/nazi_arab.htm
http://www.sullivan-county.com/id4/mufti.htm
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=grand+mufti of jerusalem

[antoniof123]

Wow, this is just another case of who is scared you or me. They were going to try to attack a military base, these guys had the same teacher as the neo cons. How stupid can you get my God they would have been toast in about 1 second. God just shoot them and put them out of ours and their misery.

Just take them outside where the world can see them - and put a bullet in their head.

Kill them like the rats they are!

[frankinaz]

Denying bail to them is the correct action to take, especially to the three illegal immigrants involved in this plot. Although most illegal immigrants come from Mexico and Latin America, there are plenty of people illegally migrating here from other contininents and countries as well, and whether those countries border the U. S. or not.
Arizona has Proposition 100-This is a law that denies bail to illegal immigrants who commit serious crimes; mostly felonies. The immigration status of the accused is supposed to be determined by the court, which then either allows bail to be posted or not. Although any criminal could become a flight risk, those who are here illegally often use their home countries as a safe haven from escaping justice. If illegal immigration is stopped, this country just might
be safer from potential criminals, and those with terrorist intent on their minds.

[frankinaz]

Denying bail to them is the correct action to take, especially to the three illegal immigrants involved in this plot. Although most illegal immigrants come from Mexico and Latin America, there are plenty of people illegally migrating here from other contininents and countries as well, and whether those countries border the U. S. or not.
Arizona has Proposition 100-This is a law that denies bail to illegal immigrants who commit serious crimes; mostly felonies. The immigration status of the accused is supposed to be determined by the court, which then either allows bail to be posted or not. Although any criminal could become a flight risk, those who are here illegally often use their home countries as a safe haven from escaping justice. If illegal immigration is stopped, this country just might
be safer from potential criminals, and those with terrorist intent on their minds.

[jt92202]

Just take them outside where the world can see them - and put a bullet in their head.

Kill them like the rats they are!


Posted by KEITHGARDNER at 03:14 PM : May 11, 2007

Maybe that will make these people think twice about terrorizing us. I doubt it but it's time we start fighting back. My mom always said 2 wrongs don't make a right but in this case I think we have to fight back every way we can!!!

[jt92202]

Just take them outside where the world can see them - and put a bullet in their head.

Kill them like the rats they are!


Posted by KEITHGARDNER at 03:14 PM : May 11, 2007

Maybe that will make these people think twice about terrorizing us. I doubt it but it's time we start fighting back. My mom always said 2 wrongs don't make a right but in this case I think we have to fight back every way we can!!!

[jt92202]

Just take them outside where the world can see them - and put a bullet in their head.

Kill them like the rats they are!


Posted by KEITHGARDNER at 03:14 PM : May 11, 2007

Maybe that will make these people think twice about terrorizing us. I doubt it but it's time we start fighting back. My mom always said 2 wrongs don't make a right but in this case I think we have to fight back every way we can!!!

[mommajomma-2009]

hey usadvisor...... it wasnt repubs burning crosses in the south in the 60's , peabrain, it was byrd and cronies. the civil rights act would have folded without republican support.

[salvo19]

No mercy for those terrorist plotters. I suggest
the harshest punishment, Death to the devils who
want to destroy this country, and again stop
the illegals, send them home! Or kick their *****
out of here.

cannonball

[salvo19]

No mercy for those terrorist plotters. I suggest
the harshest punishment, Death to the devils who
want to destroy this country, and again stop
the illegals, send them home! Or kick their *****
out of here.

cannonball

[salvo19]

No mercy for those terrorist plotters. I suggest
the harshest punishment, Death to the devils who
want to destroy this country, and again stop
the illegals, send them home! Or kick their *****
out of here.

cannonball

[bizzzz-2009]

No Bail For Fort Dix Six
...In other news, U.S. and German agencies are investigating a potential terror plot against U.S. military bases, buildings and citizens in Germany%u2026..the official said counterterrorism authorities believed Islamic extremists were behind the planning, but the official had no reason to suspect al Qaeda specifically.
I'VE NEVER BEEN MORE PROUD TO BE CALLED A XENOPHOBE THAN I AM TODAY.

[lars008-2009]

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[jimc52]

What these plotters were forgetting is that if they did this to soldiers in their own respective countries, in an Islamic Nation, they would be thrown off of a minarette, if not have their heads chopped off in a public square (like Saudi Arabia). At least they are getting to keep their lives here, right? Good ole' us, being so humanitarian about the matter. I guess it is the mark of a civilized nation that lets foreign killers and murderers have their lives with dignity. As for the one so "American"...he deserves the same the others are getting. I truely think they should be tried under Islamic Law for the offenses they are guilty of...it might be a signal to other traitors and murderers what they will get in the name of Jihad.

[jimc52]

What these plotters were forgetting is that if they did this to soldiers in their own respective countries, in an Islamic Nation, they would be thrown off of a minarette, if not have their heads chopped off in a public square (like Saudi Arabia). At least they are getting to keep their lives here, right? Good ole' us, being so humanitarian about the matter. I guess it is the mark of a civilized nation that lets foreign killers and murderers have their lives with dignity. As for the one so "American"...he deserves the same the others are getting. I truely think they should be tried under Islamic Law for the offenses they are guilty of...it might be a signal to other traitors and murderers what they will get in the name of Jihad.

[feelfree1]

I wonder why CBS is allowing comments on this ridiculous and irrelevant propaganda article, while not allowing comments on the "23 Killed In Baghdad Car Bombings" story?

[petesis]

Bush policies cause more terrorism than anything. Bin Laden counts on Bush to fill his ranks. And Bush delivers.

[radiob-2009]

Let see they were ten men in the video firing off automatic weapons. They have arrested six men and do not mention the other four in this article. The six men arrested according to authorites were preparing to buy automatic weapons. See pasted quote from article below.
This story has a lot of gaping holes in it.
Poor reporting ?????????????



Authorities say the men were preparing to buy automatic weapons to use in an attack on Fort Dix when they were arrested. They targeted the Army post, which is 25 miles east of Philadelphia and primarily used to train reservists, partly because one of them had delivered pizzas there and was familiar with the base, according to court filings. The objective: to kill "as many American soldiers as possible."


From the previous article

The video showed 10 young men in their early 20s "shooting assault weapons at a firing range ... while calling for jihad and shouting in Arabic 'Allah Akbar' (God is great)," the complaint said. The 10 included the six men who were arrested, authorities said.

[bizzzz-2009]

To feelfree1
To answer your question. I don't know why CBS is allowing comments on this "propanganda" story you feel is ridiculous and irrelevant, but not allowing comments on the 23 dead.
Are you insinuating CBS has become a propaganda tool for the conservatives? If so, there probably a couple CBS staffers monitoring this site that are laughing their a$$es off right now.

[feelfree1]

bizzzz,

Re: "Are you insinuating CBS has become a propaganda tool for the conservatives?"

CBS is a part of the large Western Corporate media empire, Viacom. To think that they don't have a tendency to toe the pro-Corporate line seems pretty naive to me.

Besides, CBS regularly gives voice to overwhelmingly discredited neo-fascistic propaganda publications like the Weekly Standard, and the National Review Online.

CBS also regularly presents unchallenged reports from groups like the SITE Institute, as though these reports are credible, even though the SITE Institute is a pretty obvious and amateurish disinformation factory.

[feelfree1]

bizzzz,

One more note: I don't consider the neo-fscists that have infested our government to be "conservative".

[bhappy2-2]

I think these idiots should be taken to Guantanamo with the other terrorists, treated the same as if they were captured in Iraq or Afganistan. And when the time comes, execute all of them in the same fashion as so many people in the terrorist countries- behead them in a public area with swords dull enough to require sawing to complete the severing. Any others thinking along the same lines MIGHT think twice before trying it, but I doubt it would stop them. These people live only to kill Americans, by whatever means is available to them. The only way to stop them is to kill them first!

[lilbossy]

Premeditated murders but they are "hard workers"
they say.Illegals who help illegals obtain
weapons.Other news states 3 are born here 2 were
illegal.Are they going to release an illegal
to his illegal mommy and daddy?or WHERE will they release him? Sad when illegals can own
$600,000 worth of proberty.Thanks to thier
friends Bank of a America.Bottom line here
foreigners.Close the borders.