Cheney Gives Troops Pep Talk In Tikrit

VP Tells G.I.s In Iraq That Extended Deployments Are "Vital To The Mission"

(CBS/AP)  Vice President Dick Cheney saluted U.S. troops stationed near former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein's hometown on Thursday and defended the Bush administration's recent decision to extend military deployments as "vital to the mission."

"The Army and the country appreciate the extra burden you carry," Cheney said.

He vowed to "stay on the offensive" despite growing public opposition in the United States to the war and efforts by the Democratic majority in Congress to restrict spending.

Cheney, who was defense secretary in the first Bush administration, spent the night on the base, about seven miles from Tikrit, Saddam's former hometown and an area populated mostly by minority-party Sunnis.

Cheney had breakfast with troops and participated in classified briefings from military commanders.

"It was a good report and I come away with even more appreciation for all you do, and greater confidence for the days ahead," Cheney said,

Between 10,000 and 12,000 troops are stationed at the base, which is located on the grounds of the former Iraqi Air Force Academy and is about 100 miles north of Baghdad, where Cheney spent Wednesday.

It was the first time Cheney spent the night in Iraq, and his whereabouts was closely guarded by the White House until Thursday's speech to the troops.

In other developments:

Prime Minister Tony Blair, the U.S.'s main ally in the war in Iraq, said Thursday that he will step down as prime minister on June 27, after a decade in office in which he brokered peace in Northern Ireland and followed the United States to war in Afghanistan and Iraq. Blair, 54, will leave office as soon as a new leader is elected for the Labour Party.

A majority of Iraqi lawmakers have endorsed a bill calling for a timetable for the withdrawal of foreign troops and demanding a freeze on the number of foreign troops already in the country, lawmakers said Thursday. The Iraqi bill, drafted by a parliamentary bloc loyal to anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, was signed by 144 members of the 275-member house, according to Nassar al-Rubaie, the leader of the Sadrist bloc.

A judge on Thursday sentenced a British civil servant to six months in prison for leaking a classified memo about a meeting between Prime Minister Tony Blair and President Bush, in breach of the Official Secrets Act. A lawmaker's aide was sentenced to three months. David Keogh, 50, a government communications officer, was found guilty of "making a damaging disclosure" by passing on the secret memo about April 2004 talks between the two leaders in which Mr. Bush purportedly referred to bombing the Arab television station Al-Jazeera.

A suicide truck bomb ripped through the Interior Ministry in the relatively peaceful Kurdish city of Irbil on Wednesday, killing 14 people and wounding dozens, officials said. Kurdish officials blamed al Qaeda-linked insurgents for the first major attack in the regional capital in more than three years.

Four Iraqi journalists were killed Wednesday in a drive-by shooting near the northern oil-rich city of Kirkuk, police said. The four worked for the independent Raad media company, which publishes several weekly newspapers and monthly magazines that are generally pro-government and deal with politics, education and arts.

A new report by the group Save the Children says Iraq's child mortality rate is up 150 percent since 1990. Mark Strassmann reports that thousands of Baghdad's children live on the streets, with little to protect them from the daily violence.

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by jjp735i May 10, 2007 11:36 AM EDT

Cheney defended the Bush administration's recent decision to extend military deployments as "vital to the mission".

This defense is not working at home any longer, so now Cheney is taking over seas. If the people of Iraq wish to continue to destroy their own people, what can we really do about it?

PS: CBS, remove the collapsible ads. They are just plain annoying

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by reel-crazy May 10, 2007 11:38 AM EDT

What the troops hear from Dickie:

Rah Rah Rah!

What the troops are really thinking:

BLAH BLAH BLAH!

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by jjp735i May 10, 2007 11:40 AM EDT

Cheney defended the Bush administration's recent decision to extend military deployments as "vital to the mission".

This defense is not working at home any longer, so now Cheney is taking over seas. If the people of Iraq wish to continue to destroy their own people, what can we really do about it?

PS: CBS, remove the collapsible ads. They are just plain annoying.

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by dallison7 May 10, 2007 11:42 AM EDT

As 'Church Lady' would say, "Isn't that special!"

The five-deferment coward who sent over 3300 of them to their death and another 25,000 to a life of disability gives the troops a 'PEP TALK'!!

I can hear it now, "C'mon guys... we gotta get out there and fight, fight, fight!! We're making progress, gas prices have passed the $4 mark in some places!! We have 'Middle Class America' on the run!! We still have a few allies left in the world... we must stop them!! The treasury has been completely looted, but we still have borrowing power, so let's get out there and create more no-bid contracts for Haliburton!!"

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by jjp735i May 10, 2007 11:43 AM EDT

Cheney defended the Bush administration's recent decision to extend military deployments as "vital to the mission".

This defense is not working at home any longer, so now Cheney is taking over seas. If the people of Iraq wish to continue to destroy their own people, what can we really do about it?

PS: CBS, remove the collapsible ads. They are just plain annoying.

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by dallison7 May 10, 2007 11:47 AM EDT

As 'Church Lady' would say, "Isn't that special!"

The five-deferment coward who sent over 3300 of them to their death and another 25,000 to a life of disability gives the troops a 'PEP TALK'!!

I can hear it now, "C'mon guys... we gotta get out there and fight, fight, fight!! We're making progress, gas prices have passed the $4 mark in some places!! We have 'Middle Class America' on the run!! We still have a few allies left in the world... we must stop them!! The treasury has been completely looted, but we still have borrowing power, so let's get out there and create more no-bid contracts for Haliburton!!"

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by infidel_us May 10, 2007 11:48 AM EDT

We still have a few allies left in the world...
Posted by dallison7 at 08:42 AM : May 10, 2007

Yeah, but we're gaining more all the time! Have you checked France, lately? It's a preview of coming attractions for our elections in '08! :)

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by gkc99 May 10, 2007 11:52 AM EDT

"The Army and the country appreciate the extra burden you carry," Cheney said.


Unfortunately, Cheney and his ilk have showed no willingness to share the burden, the daily threat of maiming or death, faced by the US soldiers and the Iraqis alike. Cheney's wealthy class of supporters got the biggest tax break in US history from Cheney and Bush, just at a time expenses were skyrocketing due to the optional Cheney/Bush war. Nor has there been much if any personal service by either Bush, Cheney, or members of their family, or indeed of the whole neocon class. In fact, the military has very few of the sons and daughters of the multinational CEOs and oil company magnates who have benefited so much from the corrupt spreading of US money to the 1000 richest families in America by Cheney and Bush. It's mostly the lower income kids, black, white, and Hispanic mostly, who are bearing the burden. The rich fascists just are raking in the benefits, like that 100 billion barrels of oil that the new Iraq "Hydrocarbon Law" will put into their hands.

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by mikaleous May 10, 2007 11:52 AM EDT

i do not belive that all that is true bush has done a lot for this country and i know that he did not send our boys in Iraq. i know for a fact that he had them supplied with all the equment and were do you get your info our boys do not have to supply their own stuff. try and get your facts and not made up ones

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by dallison7 May 10, 2007 11:53 AM EDT

As 'Church Lady' would say, "Isn't that special!"

The five-deferment coward who sent over 3300 of them to their death and another 25,000 to a life of disability gives the troops a 'PEP TALK'!!

I can hear it now, "C'mon guys... we gotta get out there and fight, fight, fight!! We're making progress, gas prices have passed the $4 mark in some places!! We have 'Middle Class America' on the run!! We still have a few allies left in the world... we must stop them!! The treasury has been completely looted, but we still have borrowing power, so let's get out there and create more no-bid contracts for Haliburton!!"

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by gkc99 May 10, 2007 11:57 AM EDT

Infidel shouldn't worry about France going Ritey--what passes for "conservative" in France would make Infidel and the rest of Neocondom froth at the lips as "Komoonizm." Le Francaise will still get their substantially free universal health care, nice gummint retirement bennies, a month plus vacation mandated by law, and all the trimmins'. Even Sarkozy won't dare tough that. And at least the guy will stand up to the Islamo fascist political correctness that says don't speak ill of murderers.

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by joenc-2009 May 10, 2007 12:08 PM EDT

The Grim Reaper gives pep talk in Iraq.

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by drummer94 May 10, 2007 12:19 PM EDT

"I want you to know the extension is vital to the mission". Was dickie boy still wearing the body armor when he said that? Talk about chutzpa! Maybe he really meant vital to my bottom line?

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by condumass May 10, 2007 12:30 PM EDT

English translation of Cheney's speech: "Extended troop deployment is vital to our goals of a fascist america. We need scapegoats! OUr mission of protecting the US oil company interests in Iraq and our military welfare complex gets our Fascist Party votes in the Confederate South. So what if we don't give a *** about the troops. All we care about are FAscist Corporate Special interests groups that condone alcoholism, yet test for marijauna use when it has no impact on a persons work."

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by grumpas May 10, 2007 12:31 PM EDT

i do not belive that all that is true bush has done a lot for this country and i know that he did not send our boys in Iraq. i know for a fact that he had them supplied with all the equment and were do you get your info our boys do not have to supply their own stuff. try and get your facts and not made up ones
Posted by Mikaleous

It should be obvious to everyone that the person who wrote might be indulging in scarcasm. If the person isn't they are functionally illiterate, extremely infantile or a staunch conservative! There are so many mispelled and misused words it's hard to read. Either way it has to be someone idea of a joke!

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by nolalou May 10, 2007 12:32 PM EDT

The best reacation to a Cheney press confernce occured when he was in Mississippi after Huricane Katrina. He was being interviwed by the press while standing on a street, and somone is heard off-camera twice shouting "Go F-ck yourself, Mr Cheney"!

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by grumpas May 10, 2007 12:38 PM EDT

i do not belive that all that is true bush has done a lot for this country and i know that he did not send our boys in Iraq. i know for a fact that he had them supplied with all the equment and were do you get your info our boys do not have to supply their own stuff. try and get your facts and not made up ones
Posted by Mikaleous

It should be obvious to everyone that the person who wrote might be indulging in scarcasm. If the person isn't they are functionally illiterate, extremely infantile or a staunch conservative! There are so many mispelled and misused words it's hard to read. Either way it has to be someone idea of a joke!

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by infidel_us May 10, 2007 12:40 PM EDT

Wow....the French election results sure to a fast withdrawal from CBS' news run! Guess the French don't hate America as much as the liberals do.

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by mudrose-2009 May 10, 2007 12:53 PM EDT

It should be obvious to everyone that the person who wrote might be indulging in scarcasm. If the person isn't they are functionally illiterate, extremely infantile or a staunch conservative! There are so many mispelled and misused words it's hard to read. Either way it has to be someone idea of a joke!
Posted by grumpas

I'll bet it came from you grumpas -- it's about time your mock yourself. Degenerate Dumnos always denigrating our institutions.

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by trillion1 May 10, 2007 12:56 PM EDT

Kind of like telling a person on Death Row 'Things could be worse.'.

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by inventagod2 May 10, 2007 12:59 PM EDT

"British defense contractor BAE Systems Plc BA.L moved to expand its share of the lucrative U.S. military market on Monday with a $4.1 billion deal to buy body armor and Army truck maker Armor Holdings Inc.
The deal is the second multibillion-dollar U.S. purchase in two years for BAE, which is now the No. 8 supplier in the world's biggest military market."

It was all about defense contractors getting rich, troops are almost incidental. Every reason for invading Iraq was a lie, it was GREED. Did someone other than a cave dweller in Afghanistan do 9/11 to make Bu$h supporters wealthy? Time will tell.

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by rochest May 10, 2007 1:01 PM EDT

"Extremists from inside and outside the country want to stir an endless cycle of violence, and al Qaeda is operating and trying to open new fronts," Cheney said. "Some seem to have no interest in seeing the emergence of a strong, secure and democratic Iraq.

"A violent minority is trying to tear down the institutions of peaceful self-government that Iraqis are trying to build," he said.

COULD THAT BE THE U.S. MILITARY AND FOREIGN OIL COMPANIES?

Said Cheney: "Many of you have had your deployments extended and that puts unexpected hardship on you and your families. I want you to know the extension is vital to the mission."

A GRATEFUL NATION? HOW WE SHOW IT? WELL WE SHOP TILL WE DROP!
Success on the path to reconciliation, progress and peace, Cheney told the troops, "depends on Iraq's leaders themselves, and the ultimate solution in this country will be a political solution."

And Now The Disconnect -----

A majority of Iraqi lawmakers have endorsed a bill calling for a timetable for the withdrawal of foreign troops and demanding a freeze on the number of foreign troops already in the country, lawmakers said Thursday. The Iraqi bill, drafted by a parliamentary bloc loyal to anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, was signed by 144 members of the 275-member house, according to Nassar al-Rubaie, the leader of the Sadrist bloc.

Bring our brave soldiers home now!

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by mudrose-2009 May 10, 2007 1:02 PM EDT

Yeah, but we're gaining more all the time! Have you checked France, lately? It's a preview of coming attractions for our elections in '08! :)
Posted by Infidel_US

Oh, it's more than that. Seems that France is tired of socialism and the weflare it procures. Ya know, those little smarties who think they can be complacent and keep their jobs for life along with the Muslims. Hey, they even have a better system of tracking illegals which exceeds our wire-tapping and tracking system. Should borrow a page from them. Whereas here, the little Do-Nothings want to give us socialism at its worst - tax us up the wazoo, take our property, distribute wealth, social medicine so nobody get care, keep our borders open, encourage unfetted abortion, tear down the Bill of Rights and insist that the Constitution is a living document so they can continually change its meaning. Along with George Soros, MoveOn.Org. and the rest of the lunies on the left. By the way for those of you who like polls 52% disapprove of Congress. Dumnos always denigrating our institutions.

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by hungry1968 May 10, 2007 1:18 PM EDT

i do not belive that all that is true bush has done a lot for this country and i know that he did not send our boys in Iraq. i know for a fact that he had them supplied with all the equment and were do you get your info our boys do not have to supply their own stuff. try and get your facts and not made up ones
Posted by Mikaleous at 08:52 AM : May 10, 2007

This is such a mess, I can barely read it. Who's your speech writer - George Bush?

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by jimibear May 10, 2007 1:22 PM EDT

"Whereas here, the little Do-Nothings want to give us socialism at its worst - tax us up the wazoo, take our property, distribute wealth, social medicine so nobody get care, keep our borders open, encourage unfetted abortion, tear down the Bill of Rights and insist that the Constitution is a living document so they can continually change its meaning."

There is a small fraction on the left who want to do that or something like it. It won't happen; there aren't enough of them. There is a small fraction on the right that wants to go to the other extreme, and keep wealth in the hands of the wealthy ONLY, do nothing about the current healthcare crisis, which really is shameful, illegalize all abortions, and also amend the Constitution as it suits their beliefs. That faction has been represented to some degree by the Bush administration, although even Bush & Co. didn't really acceed to all the demands of the Loony Right, which is just as nuts in its way as the Loony Left.

The rest of us sit more or less around the middle, a little left or a little right, but agree about more than we disagree. Unfortunately, the extremists on both sides yell loudest and make the most news, so the moderate majority gets drowned out, and the population gets polarized - as we see on these boards.

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by macusweil May 10, 2007 1:24 PM EDT

He told them only a fool would sign up to fight a GOP war in which only rich party insiders benefit. He reminded them how he himself when faced with the possibility of having to fight for his country used every trick in the book to get out of serving. Or maybe he just lied to them again.

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by hungry1968 May 10, 2007 1:24 PM EDT

mudrose:

You forgot a few things. Democrats are going to bring evil space aliens here. Oh yeah - scary monsters too. And the boogey man. Democrats are bad. They're going to take all of our bank accounts away too. We won't have any money left.

Thank god for people like you to keep us all grounded in realism.

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by jimibear May 10, 2007 1:27 PM EDT

"Whereas here, the little Do-Nothings want to give us socialism at its worst - tax us up the wazoo, take our property, distribute wealth, social medicine so nobody get care, keep our borders open, encourage unfetted abortion, tear down the Bill of Rights and insist that the Constitution is a living document so they can continually change its meaning."

There is a small fraction on the left who want to do that or something like it. It won't happen; there aren't enough of them. There is a small fraction on the right that wants to go to the other extreme, and keep wealth in the hands of the wealthy ONLY, do nothing about the current healthcare crisis, which really is shameful, illegalize all abortions, and also amend the Constitution as it suits their beliefs. That faction has been represented to some degree by the Bush administration, although even Bush & Co. didn't really acceed to all the demands of the Loony Right, which is just as nuts in its way as the Loony Left.

The rest of us sit more or less around the middle, a little left or a little right, but agree about more than we disagree. Unfortunately, the extremists on both sides yell loudest and make the most news, so the moderate majority gets drowned out, and the population gets polarized - as we see on these boards.

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by jimibear May 10, 2007 1:31 PM EDT

(CONT.)

People get wrapped up in ideology, married to their convictions, and forget to look at the facts of situations. I think we'd all be better served by looking at what is actually happening and how to fix things cooperatively and objectively, rather than cheering for our "team" on the left and the right.

The problem is, for most extremists, that it's not about what's best for the country for them - it's about their being right, and showing that they are better and smarter and more patriotic than their fellow Americans. It's a stupid and destructive attitude, and until those people grow up and decide to work with their fellow Americans instead of fighting with them, the country is on a downward spiral.

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by missmyhubby May 10, 2007 1:43 PM EDT

do not belive that all that is true bush has done a lot for this country and i know that he did not send our boys in Iraq. i know for a fact that he had them supplied with all the equment and were do you get your info our boys do not have to supply their own stuff. try and get your facts and not made up ones
Posted by Mikaleous at 08:52 AM : May 10, 2007

Are you there in Iraq?? Just to enlighten you...they do NOT have everything they need or I would not have to send spotlights and other equipment to my husband so that he can do combat patrol around Baghdad looking for bombs! You get your facts straight...I have mine straight as an arrow!!

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by middleman8 May 10, 2007 1:45 PM EDT

Is'nt Cheney great, he let these troops know he would fight to the last drop of their blood. What more could you ask from a draft dodging coward?

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by mudrose-2009 May 10, 2007 1:47 PM EDT

mudrose:

You forgot a few things. Democrats are going to bring evil space aliens here. Oh yeah - scary monsters too. And the boogey man. Democrats are bad. They're going to take all of our bank accounts away too. We won't have any money left.

Thank god for people like you to keep us all grounded in realism.
Posted by hungry1968

They are evil space aliens - they like open borders - everything illegal crosses them. Monsters? Look at the yahoos - Murtha, who wants to close Gitmo so we can try the lunies from Afghanistan in our court system - good way to spend our tax dollars. Poor little malnourished, maltreated, tortured, 3 hots, a cot and a koran loving murderous talibanies who would behead you in an instant, and you obviously have a tin ear when it comes to Hillary always saying she's going to redistribute the wealth. Ooooooooooo, trying to make yourself feel better. Plug a pacifier in your mouth. It'll accomplish to things one being to quiet your fears.

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by mudrose-2009 May 10, 2007 1:51 PM EDT

mudrose:

You forgot a few things. Democrats are going to bring evil space aliens here. Oh yeah - scary monsters too. And the boogey man. Democrats are bad. They're going to take all of our bank accounts away too. We won't have any money left.

Thank god for people like you to keep us all grounded in realism.
Posted by hungry1968

They are evil space aliens - they like open borders - everything illegal crosses them. Monsters? Look at the yahoos - Murtha, who wants to close Gitmo so we can try the lunies from Afghanistan in our court system - good way to spend our tax dollars. Poor little malnourished, maltreated, tortured, 3 hots, a cot and a koran loving murderous talibanies who would behead you in an instant, and you obviously have a tin ear when it comes to Hillary always saying she's going to redistribute the wealth. Ooooooooooo, trying to make yourself feel better. Plug a pacifier in your mouth. It'll accomplish to things one being to quiet your fears.

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by jimibear May 10, 2007 1:52 PM EDT

(CONT.)

People get wrapped up in ideology, married to their convictions, and forget to look at the facts of situations. I think we'd all be better served by looking at what is actually happening and how to fix things cooperatively and objectively, rather than cheering for our "team" on the left and the right.

The problem is, for most extremists, that it's not about what's best for the country for them - it's about their being right, and showing that they are better and smarter and more patriotic than their fellow Americans. It's a stupid and destructive attitude, and until those people grow up and decide to work with their fellow Americans instead of fighting with them, the country is on a downward spiral.

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by micma-2009 May 10, 2007 1:54 PM EDT

By the way "mudrose" is a paid RNC hack. Not to be taken seriously. The more he spins and disrupts the conversation, the more he gets paid.

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by hungry1968 May 10, 2007 1:56 PM EDT

"they like open borders - everything illegal crosses them"

Um - that's your boy George that wants to let the illegals just waltz into the country! Where do you get your information?

Can you also please tell me what you're talking about when you say, "Hillary always saying she's going to redistribute the wealth"? Not any of your made up rambling either - I've never heard that before and I'm interested in what your making up.

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by tell7 May 10, 2007 1:58 PM EDT

The case for invasion: We must invade Iraq because Saddam has WMD. The majority of the American public now knows that we were fed distorted intelligent.
So, the case changes to: We must stay in order to support democracy the for Iraq people and fight terrorism.
OK, suppose we forget about the fact that 2/3 of the American people want an exit plan/troop withdrawal.What do the Iraqis think? Last Fall the US State Department and World Public Opinion polls found that 71% (all sects and regions) wanted the US out within a year,78% believe that the US presence is provoking more violence 61% approved of attacks on US troops, 94% don't want Al Qaeda in the country (indicating that they would fight them without us). Some might say that since these polls are several months old that
are irrelevant. Fine, let's conduct new ones.
BUT..Look at the article above, Other Developments: TODAY.."A majority of Iraqi lawmakers have endorsed a bill calling for a timetable for the withdrawal of foreign troops and demanding a freeze on the number of foreign troops already in the country." WE ARE FIGHTING FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT US! Why, because the awful truth is that we are fighting for a natural resource..OIL.
That is why ***, payed them a visit, to discuss sharing of oil revenues.

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by pro-america May 10, 2007 2:01 PM EDT

Middleman8:

At least he did not run to Canada.

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by pro-america May 10, 2007 2:05 PM EDT

Middleman8: At least he did not run to Canada.

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by jimibear May 10, 2007 2:05 PM EDT

Mudrose, you are a perfect example of the sort of extremist I am talking about. I implore you - if you really are as patriotic as you say, stop attacking your fellow citizens, calm down a bit on the "liberals are traitors" nonsense (and it really is nonsense - 99.9% of people on both left and right want what is best for the country) and maybe get off the keyboard and see whether you can't do something constructive.

Volunteer for your favorite charity. Talk to some real live people of different viewpoints and learn that they actually aren't lunatic terrorist supporters who want to see the US turned into a socialist state. Live life, and revise your viewpoints based on facts - don't base your worldview on your prejudices, because that is essentially delusional.

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by jdubs63 May 10, 2007 2:08 PM EDT

Here we go again... bashing and talking out the side of your mouths. Go Volunteer.... you say you support the troops but nothing else with the government, let the troops hear what comes out your mouths. I dare some of you to write the troops your garbage and truely how do you know how they feel are you there with them to hear their opinion?? Course not you sit onyour butts and complain and DO NOTHING.

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by jimibear May 10, 2007 2:08 PM EDT

"Middleman8: At least he did not run to Canada.
Posted by pro-America at 11:05 AM : May 10, 2007
+ report abuse"

You're right, he didn't. What's your point?

Really, the best anyone can say about Bush is, "At least he didn't ... "

Now, we're down to, "Well, at least he hasn't actually gotten us into a full-scale world-wide war yet."

He seems to be working for it, though, with all his talk of a "global war on terror".

Bush is an extremist, and like all extremists of any stripe, a dangerous man.

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by jimibear May 10, 2007 2:11 PM EDT

"Middleman8: At least he did not run to Canada.
Posted by pro-America at 11:05 AM : May 10, 2007
+ report abuse"

You're right, he didn't. What's your point?

Really, the best anyone can say about Bush is, "At least he didn't ... "

Now, we're down to, "Well, at least he hasn't actually gotten us into a full-scale world-wide war yet."

He seems to be working for it, though, with all his talk of a "global war on terror".

Bush is an extremist, and like all extremists of any stripe, a dangerous man.

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by pro-america May 10, 2007 2:16 PM EDT

jimibear: Well murdrose is right, because liberals are the people that believe we should destroy the goverment and create a new one. Last time I checked that was against the Constatution. So I think all the liberals should hang from the nearest yardarm.

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by jimibear May 10, 2007 2:17 PM EDT

"Yeah, but we're gaining more all the time! Have you checked France, lately? It's a preview of coming attractions for our elections in '08! :)
Posted by Infidel_US at 08:48 AM : May 10, 2007
+ report abuse"

This is slightly mis-representative of the real situation, Infidel_US. Although the new French premiere is largely pro-American, he has made it clear that he is squarely against the Iraq war and that France will not support it.

His key line is that "America must learn that one of the things friends can do is disagree and remain friends".

I'd say the same thing needs to be learned by many Americans about each other. What we need is cooperation, not in-fighting.

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by jimibear May 10, 2007 2:22 PM EDT

"jimibear: Well murdrose is right, because liberals are the people that believe we should destroy the goverment and create a new one. Last time I checked that was against the Constatution. So I think all the liberals should hang from the nearest yardarm.
Posted by pro-America at 11:16 AM : May 10, 2007
+ report abuse"

And I think that if you really believe that, you have no idea what liberalism is, and are using "liberal" as a catch-all for everything you disagree with.

Liberals do not believe in destroying the government and creating a new one, and your stating that they do is utterly ludicrous. Likewise, your wanting to hang your fellow citizens is despicable. I hope you are simply saying that for sensationalism, as if that is your real opinion, you are deeply disturbed and should seek professional help at once.

Your attitude is the very opposite of "pro-America". Try again.

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by mudrose-2009 May 10, 2007 2:23 PM EDT

Posted by hungry1968

Hillary in her own words:

%u201CMany of you are well enough off that . . . the tax cuts may have helped you. We%u2019re saying that for America to get back on track, we%u2019re probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We%u2019re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.%u201D%u2013Hillary Clinton

"Common good" a euphemism for socialism. And Bush is not for open borders. I do recall Kerry trying to woo the hispanic vote with his little speach in Spanish that I am John Kerry, yada, yada. Bush on the other hand is for a guest worker program, always has been. During WWII we had such a policy. We also had better tracking. These people would come here, work and go back to Mexico. We have got to close the borders. Here's the rest of Billary, the two-headed Clintoid. Hillary is a strong advocate for: universal health care, abortion (pro-death) rights, redistribution of wealth, Iraq withdrawl, the estate tax, SS staying as is, diplomacy in the form of the UN making decisions for us, such as treating everything even terrorism as a police action.

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by pepperp1 May 10, 2007 2:24 PM EDT

I believe the Vice President truly needs a competency hearing he should not be out representing the American People without assurance of his mental stability, the well being of which I personally question.

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by mudrose-2009 May 10, 2007 2:26 PM EDT

Posted by hungry1968

Hillary in her own words:

%u201CMany of you are well enough off that . . . the tax cuts may have helped you. We%u2019re saying that for America to get back on track, we%u2019re probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We%u2019re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.%u201D%u2013Hillary Clinton

"Common good" a euphemism for socialism. And Bush is not for open borders. I do recall Kerry trying to woo the hispanic vote with his little speach in Spanish that I am John Kerry, yada, yada. Bush on the other hand is for a guest worker program, always has been. During WWII we had such a policy. We also had better tracking. These people would come here, work and go back to Mexico. We have got to close the borders. Here's the rest of Billary, the two-headed Clintoid. Hillary is a strong advocate for: universal health care, abortion (pro-death) rights, redistribution of wealth, Iraq withdrawl, the estate tax, SS staying as is, diplomacy in the form of the UN making decisions for us, such as treating everything even terrorism as a police action.

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by jimibear May 10, 2007 2:27 PM EDT

"jimibear: Well murdrose is right, because liberals are the people that believe we should destroy the goverment and create a new one. Last time I checked that was against the Constatution. So I think all the liberals should hang from the nearest yardarm.
Posted by pro-America at 11:16 AM : May 10, 2007
+ report abuse"

And I think that if you really believe that, you have no idea what liberalism is, and are using "liberal" as a catch-all for everything you disagree with.

Liberals do not believe in destroying the government and creating a new one, and your stating that they do is utterly ludicrous. Likewise, your wanting to hang your fellow citizens is despicable. I hope you are simply saying that for sensationalism, as if that is your real opinion, you are deeply disturbed and should seek professional help at once.

Your attitude is the very opposite of "pro-America". Try again.

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[jjp735i]

Cheney defended the Bush administration's recent decision to extend military deployments as "vital to the mission".

This defense is not working at home any longer, so now Cheney is taking over seas. If the people of Iraq wish to continue to destroy their own people, what can we really do about it?

PS: CBS, remove the collapsible ads. They are just plain annoying

[reel-crazy]

What the troops hear from Dickie:

Rah Rah Rah!

What the troops are really thinking:

BLAH BLAH BLAH!

[jjp735i]

Cheney defended the Bush administration's recent decision to extend military deployments as "vital to the mission".

This defense is not working at home any longer, so now Cheney is taking over seas. If the people of Iraq wish to continue to destroy their own people, what can we really do about it?

PS: CBS, remove the collapsible ads. They are just plain annoying.

[dallison7]

As 'Church Lady' would say, "Isn't that special!"

The five-deferment coward who sent over 3300 of them to their death and another 25,000 to a life of disability gives the troops a 'PEP TALK'!!

I can hear it now, "C'mon guys... we gotta get out there and fight, fight, fight!! We're making progress, gas prices have passed the $4 mark in some places!! We have 'Middle Class America' on the run!! We still have a few allies left in the world... we must stop them!! The treasury has been completely looted, but we still have borrowing power, so let's get out there and create more no-bid contracts for Haliburton!!"

[jjp735i]

Cheney defended the Bush administration's recent decision to extend military deployments as "vital to the mission".

This defense is not working at home any longer, so now Cheney is taking over seas. If the people of Iraq wish to continue to destroy their own people, what can we really do about it?

PS: CBS, remove the collapsible ads. They are just plain annoying.

[dallison7]

As 'Church Lady' would say, "Isn't that special!"

The five-deferment coward who sent over 3300 of them to their death and another 25,000 to a life of disability gives the troops a 'PEP TALK'!!

I can hear it now, "C'mon guys... we gotta get out there and fight, fight, fight!! We're making progress, gas prices have passed the $4 mark in some places!! We have 'Middle Class America' on the run!! We still have a few allies left in the world... we must stop them!! The treasury has been completely looted, but we still have borrowing power, so let's get out there and create more no-bid contracts for Haliburton!!"

[infidel_us]

We still have a few allies left in the world...
Posted by dallison7 at 08:42 AM : May 10, 2007

Yeah, but we're gaining more all the time! Have you checked France, lately? It's a preview of coming attractions for our elections in '08! :)

[gkc99]

"The Army and the country appreciate the extra burden you carry," Cheney said.


Unfortunately, Cheney and his ilk have showed no willingness to share the burden, the daily threat of maiming or death, faced by the US soldiers and the Iraqis alike. Cheney's wealthy class of supporters got the biggest tax break in US history from Cheney and Bush, just at a time expenses were skyrocketing due to the optional Cheney/Bush war. Nor has there been much if any personal service by either Bush, Cheney, or members of their family, or indeed of the whole neocon class. In fact, the military has very few of the sons and daughters of the multinational CEOs and oil company magnates who have benefited so much from the corrupt spreading of US money to the 1000 richest families in America by Cheney and Bush. It's mostly the lower income kids, black, white, and Hispanic mostly, who are bearing the burden. The rich fascists just are raking in the benefits, like that 100 billion barrels of oil that the new Iraq "Hydrocarbon Law" will put into their hands.

[mikaleous]

i do not belive that all that is true bush has done a lot for this country and i know that he did not send our boys in Iraq. i know for a fact that he had them supplied with all the equment and were do you get your info our boys do not have to supply their own stuff. try and get your facts and not made up ones

[dallison7]

As 'Church Lady' would say, "Isn't that special!"

The five-deferment coward who sent over 3300 of them to their death and another 25,000 to a life of disability gives the troops a 'PEP TALK'!!

I can hear it now, "C'mon guys... we gotta get out there and fight, fight, fight!! We're making progress, gas prices have passed the $4 mark in some places!! We have 'Middle Class America' on the run!! We still have a few allies left in the world... we must stop them!! The treasury has been completely looted, but we still have borrowing power, so let's get out there and create more no-bid contracts for Haliburton!!"

[gkc99]

Infidel shouldn't worry about France going Ritey--what passes for "conservative" in France would make Infidel and the rest of Neocondom froth at the lips as "Komoonizm." Le Francaise will still get their substantially free universal health care, nice gummint retirement bennies, a month plus vacation mandated by law, and all the trimmins'. Even Sarkozy won't dare tough that. And at least the guy will stand up to the Islamo fascist political correctness that says don't speak ill of murderers.

[joenc-2009]

The Grim Reaper gives pep talk in Iraq.

[drummer94]

"I want you to know the extension is vital to the mission". Was dickie boy still wearing the body armor when he said that? Talk about chutzpa! Maybe he really meant vital to my bottom line?

[condumass]

English translation of Cheney's speech: "Extended troop deployment is vital to our goals of a fascist america. We need scapegoats! OUr mission of protecting the US oil company interests in Iraq and our military welfare complex gets our Fascist Party votes in the Confederate South. So what if we don't give a *** about the troops. All we care about are FAscist Corporate Special interests groups that condone alcoholism, yet test for marijauna use when it has no impact on a persons work."

[grumpas]

i do not belive that all that is true bush has done a lot for this country and i know that he did not send our boys in Iraq. i know for a fact that he had them supplied with all the equment and were do you get your info our boys do not have to supply their own stuff. try and get your facts and not made up ones
Posted by Mikaleous

It should be obvious to everyone that the person who wrote might be indulging in scarcasm. If the person isn't they are functionally illiterate, extremely infantile or a staunch conservative! There are so many mispelled and misused words it's hard to read. Either way it has to be someone idea of a joke!

[nolalou]

The best reacation to a Cheney press confernce occured when he was in Mississippi after Huricane Katrina. He was being interviwed by the press while standing on a street, and somone is heard off-camera twice shouting "Go F-ck yourself, Mr Cheney"!

[grumpas]

i do not belive that all that is true bush has done a lot for this country and i know that he did not send our boys in Iraq. i know for a fact that he had them supplied with all the equment and were do you get your info our boys do not have to supply their own stuff. try and get your facts and not made up ones
Posted by Mikaleous

It should be obvious to everyone that the person who wrote might be indulging in scarcasm. If the person isn't they are functionally illiterate, extremely infantile or a staunch conservative! There are so many mispelled and misused words it's hard to read. Either way it has to be someone idea of a joke!

[infidel_us]

Wow....the French election results sure to a fast withdrawal from CBS' news run! Guess the French don't hate America as much as the liberals do.

[mudrose-2009]

It should be obvious to everyone that the person who wrote might be indulging in scarcasm. If the person isn't they are functionally illiterate, extremely infantile or a staunch conservative! There are so many mispelled and misused words it's hard to read. Either way it has to be someone idea of a joke!
Posted by grumpas

I'll bet it came from you grumpas -- it's about time your mock yourself. Degenerate Dumnos always denigrating our institutions.

[trillion1]

Kind of like telling a person on Death Row 'Things could be worse.'.

[inventagod2]

"British defense contractor BAE Systems Plc BA.L moved to expand its share of the lucrative U.S. military market on Monday with a $4.1 billion deal to buy body armor and Army truck maker Armor Holdings Inc.
The deal is the second multibillion-dollar U.S. purchase in two years for BAE, which is now the No. 8 supplier in the world's biggest military market."

It was all about defense contractors getting rich, troops are almost incidental. Every reason for invading Iraq was a lie, it was GREED. Did someone other than a cave dweller in Afghanistan do 9/11 to make Bu$h supporters wealthy? Time will tell.

[rochest]

"Extremists from inside and outside the country want to stir an endless cycle of violence, and al Qaeda is operating and trying to open new fronts," Cheney said. "Some seem to have no interest in seeing the emergence of a strong, secure and democratic Iraq.

"A violent minority is trying to tear down the institutions of peaceful self-government that Iraqis are trying to build," he said.

COULD THAT BE THE U.S. MILITARY AND FOREIGN OIL COMPANIES?

Said Cheney: "Many of you have had your deployments extended and that puts unexpected hardship on you and your families. I want you to know the extension is vital to the mission."

A GRATEFUL NATION? HOW WE SHOW IT? WELL WE SHOP TILL WE DROP!
Success on the path to reconciliation, progress and peace, Cheney told the troops, "depends on Iraq's leaders themselves, and the ultimate solution in this country will be a political solution."

And Now The Disconnect -----

A majority of Iraqi lawmakers have endorsed a bill calling for a timetable for the withdrawal of foreign troops and demanding a freeze on the number of foreign troops already in the country, lawmakers said Thursday. The Iraqi bill, drafted by a parliamentary bloc loyal to anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, was signed by 144 members of the 275-member house, according to Nassar al-Rubaie, the leader of the Sadrist bloc.

Bring our brave soldiers home now!

[mudrose-2009]

Yeah, but we're gaining more all the time! Have you checked France, lately? It's a preview of coming attractions for our elections in '08! :)
Posted by Infidel_US

Oh, it's more than that. Seems that France is tired of socialism and the weflare it procures. Ya know, those little smarties who think they can be complacent and keep their jobs for life along with the Muslims. Hey, they even have a better system of tracking illegals which exceeds our wire-tapping and tracking system. Should borrow a page from them. Whereas here, the little Do-Nothings want to give us socialism at its worst - tax us up the wazoo, take our property, distribute wealth, social medicine so nobody get care, keep our borders open, encourage unfetted abortion, tear down the Bill of Rights and insist that the Constitution is a living document so they can continually change its meaning. Along with George Soros, MoveOn.Org. and the rest of the lunies on the left. By the way for those of you who like polls 52% disapprove of Congress. Dumnos always denigrating our institutions.

[hungry1968]

i do not belive that all that is true bush has done a lot for this country and i know that he did not send our boys in Iraq. i know for a fact that he had them supplied with all the equment and were do you get your info our boys do not have to supply their own stuff. try and get your facts and not made up ones
Posted by Mikaleous at 08:52 AM : May 10, 2007

This is such a mess, I can barely read it. Who's your speech writer - George Bush?

[jimibear]

"Whereas here, the little Do-Nothings want to give us socialism at its worst - tax us up the wazoo, take our property, distribute wealth, social medicine so nobody get care, keep our borders open, encourage unfetted abortion, tear down the Bill of Rights and insist that the Constitution is a living document so they can continually change its meaning."

There is a small fraction on the left who want to do that or something like it. It won't happen; there aren't enough of them. There is a small fraction on the right that wants to go to the other extreme, and keep wealth in the hands of the wealthy ONLY, do nothing about the current healthcare crisis, which really is shameful, illegalize all abortions, and also amend the Constitution as it suits their beliefs. That faction has been represented to some degree by the Bush administration, although even Bush & Co. didn't really acceed to all the demands of the Loony Right, which is just as nuts in its way as the Loony Left.

The rest of us sit more or less around the middle, a little left or a little right, but agree about more than we disagree. Unfortunately, the extremists on both sides yell loudest and make the most news, so the moderate majority gets drowned out, and the population gets polarized - as we see on these boards.

[macusweil]

He told them only a fool would sign up to fight a GOP war in which only rich party insiders benefit. He reminded them how he himself when faced with the possibility of having to fight for his country used every trick in the book to get out of serving. Or maybe he just lied to them again.

[hungry1968]

mudrose:

You forgot a few things. Democrats are going to bring evil space aliens here. Oh yeah - scary monsters too. And the boogey man. Democrats are bad. They're going to take all of our bank accounts away too. We won't have any money left.

Thank god for people like you to keep us all grounded in realism.

[jimibear]

"Whereas here, the little Do-Nothings want to give us socialism at its worst - tax us up the wazoo, take our property, distribute wealth, social medicine so nobody get care, keep our borders open, encourage unfetted abortion, tear down the Bill of Rights and insist that the Constitution is a living document so they can continually change its meaning."

There is a small fraction on the left who want to do that or something like it. It won't happen; there aren't enough of them. There is a small fraction on the right that wants to go to the other extreme, and keep wealth in the hands of the wealthy ONLY, do nothing about the current healthcare crisis, which really is shameful, illegalize all abortions, and also amend the Constitution as it suits their beliefs. That faction has been represented to some degree by the Bush administration, although even Bush & Co. didn't really acceed to all the demands of the Loony Right, which is just as nuts in its way as the Loony Left.

The rest of us sit more or less around the middle, a little left or a little right, but agree about more than we disagree. Unfortunately, the extremists on both sides yell loudest and make the most news, so the moderate majority gets drowned out, and the population gets polarized - as we see on these boards.

[jimibear]

(CONT.)

People get wrapped up in ideology, married to their convictions, and forget to look at the facts of situations. I think we'd all be better served by looking at what is actually happening and how to fix things cooperatively and objectively, rather than cheering for our "team" on the left and the right.

The problem is, for most extremists, that it's not about what's best for the country for them - it's about their being right, and showing that they are better and smarter and more patriotic than their fellow Americans. It's a stupid and destructive attitude, and until those people grow up and decide to work with their fellow Americans instead of fighting with them, the country is on a downward spiral.

[missmyhubby]

do not belive that all that is true bush has done a lot for this country and i know that he did not send our boys in Iraq. i know for a fact that he had them supplied with all the equment and were do you get your info our boys do not have to supply their own stuff. try and get your facts and not made up ones
Posted by Mikaleous at 08:52 AM : May 10, 2007

Are you there in Iraq?? Just to enlighten you...they do NOT have everything they need or I would not have to send spotlights and other equipment to my husband so that he can do combat patrol around Baghdad looking for bombs! You get your facts straight...I have mine straight as an arrow!!

[middleman8]

Is'nt Cheney great, he let these troops know he would fight to the last drop of their blood. What more could you ask from a draft dodging coward?

[mudrose-2009]

mudrose:

You forgot a few things. Democrats are going to bring evil space aliens here. Oh yeah - scary monsters too. And the boogey man. Democrats are bad. They're going to take all of our bank accounts away too. We won't have any money left.

Thank god for people like you to keep us all grounded in realism.
Posted by hungry1968

They are evil space aliens - they like open borders - everything illegal crosses them. Monsters? Look at the yahoos - Murtha, who wants to close Gitmo so we can try the lunies from Afghanistan in our court system - good way to spend our tax dollars. Poor little malnourished, maltreated, tortured, 3 hots, a cot and a koran loving murderous talibanies who would behead you in an instant, and you obviously have a tin ear when it comes to Hillary always saying she's going to redistribute the wealth. Ooooooooooo, trying to make yourself feel better. Plug a pacifier in your mouth. It'll accomplish to things one being to quiet your fears.

[mudrose-2009]

mudrose:

You forgot a few things. Democrats are going to bring evil space aliens here. Oh yeah - scary monsters too. And the boogey man. Democrats are bad. They're going to take all of our bank accounts away too. We won't have any money left.

Thank god for people like you to keep us all grounded in realism.
Posted by hungry1968

They are evil space aliens - they like open borders - everything illegal crosses them. Monsters? Look at the yahoos - Murtha, who wants to close Gitmo so we can try the lunies from Afghanistan in our court system - good way to spend our tax dollars. Poor little malnourished, maltreated, tortured, 3 hots, a cot and a koran loving murderous talibanies who would behead you in an instant, and you obviously have a tin ear when it comes to Hillary always saying she's going to redistribute the wealth. Ooooooooooo, trying to make yourself feel better. Plug a pacifier in your mouth. It'll accomplish to things one being to quiet your fears.

[jimibear]

(CONT.)

People get wrapped up in ideology, married to their convictions, and forget to look at the facts of situations. I think we'd all be better served by looking at what is actually happening and how to fix things cooperatively and objectively, rather than cheering for our "team" on the left and the right.

The problem is, for most extremists, that it's not about what's best for the country for them - it's about their being right, and showing that they are better and smarter and more patriotic than their fellow Americans. It's a stupid and destructive attitude, and until those people grow up and decide to work with their fellow Americans instead of fighting with them, the country is on a downward spiral.

[micma-2009]

By the way "mudrose" is a paid RNC hack. Not to be taken seriously. The more he spins and disrupts the conversation, the more he gets paid.

[hungry1968]

"they like open borders - everything illegal crosses them"

Um - that's your boy George that wants to let the illegals just waltz into the country! Where do you get your information?

Can you also please tell me what you're talking about when you say, "Hillary always saying she's going to redistribute the wealth"? Not any of your made up rambling either - I've never heard that before and I'm interested in what your making up.

[tell7]

The case for invasion: We must invade Iraq because Saddam has WMD. The majority of the American public now knows that we were fed distorted intelligent.
So, the case changes to: We must stay in order to support democracy the for Iraq people and fight terrorism.
OK, suppose we forget about the fact that 2/3 of the American people want an exit plan/troop withdrawal.What do the Iraqis think? Last Fall the US State Department and World Public Opinion polls found that 71% (all sects and regions) wanted the US out within a year,78% believe that the US presence is provoking more violence 61% approved of attacks on US troops, 94% don't want Al Qaeda in the country (indicating that they would fight them without us). Some might say that since these polls are several months old that
are irrelevant. Fine, let's conduct new ones.
BUT..Look at the article above, Other Developments: TODAY.."A majority of Iraqi lawmakers have endorsed a bill calling for a timetable for the withdrawal of foreign troops and demanding a freeze on the number of foreign troops already in the country." WE ARE FIGHTING FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT US! Why, because the awful truth is that we are fighting for a natural resource..OIL.
That is why ***, payed them a visit, to discuss sharing of oil revenues.

[pro-america]

Middleman8:

At least he did not run to Canada.

[pro-america]

Middleman8: At least he did not run to Canada.

[jimibear]

Mudrose, you are a perfect example of the sort of extremist I am talking about. I implore you - if you really are as patriotic as you say, stop attacking your fellow citizens, calm down a bit on the "liberals are traitors" nonsense (and it really is nonsense - 99.9% of people on both left and right want what is best for the country) and maybe get off the keyboard and see whether you can't do something constructive.

Volunteer for your favorite charity. Talk to some real live people of different viewpoints and learn that they actually aren't lunatic terrorist supporters who want to see the US turned into a socialist state. Live life, and revise your viewpoints based on facts - don't base your worldview on your prejudices, because that is essentially delusional.

[jdubs63]

Here we go again... bashing and talking out the side of your mouths. Go Volunteer.... you say you support the troops but nothing else with the government, let the troops hear what comes out your mouths. I dare some of you to write the troops your garbage and truely how do you know how they feel are you there with them to hear their opinion?? Course not you sit onyour butts and complain and DO NOTHING.

[jimibear]

"Middleman8: At least he did not run to Canada.
Posted by pro-America at 11:05 AM : May 10, 2007
+ report abuse"

You're right, he didn't. What's your point?

Really, the best anyone can say about Bush is, "At least he didn't ... "

Now, we're down to, "Well, at least he hasn't actually gotten us into a full-scale world-wide war yet."

He seems to be working for it, though, with all his talk of a "global war on terror".

Bush is an extremist, and like all extremists of any stripe, a dangerous man.

[jimibear]

"Middleman8: At least he did not run to Canada.
Posted by pro-America at 11:05 AM : May 10, 2007
+ report abuse"

You're right, he didn't. What's your point?

Really, the best anyone can say about Bush is, "At least he didn't ... "

Now, we're down to, "Well, at least he hasn't actually gotten us into a full-scale world-wide war yet."

He seems to be working for it, though, with all his talk of a "global war on terror".

Bush is an extremist, and like all extremists of any stripe, a dangerous man.

[pro-america]

jimibear: Well murdrose is right, because liberals are the people that believe we should destroy the goverment and create a new one. Last time I checked that was against the Constatution. So I think all the liberals should hang from the nearest yardarm.

[jimibear]

"Yeah, but we're gaining more all the time! Have you checked France, lately? It's a preview of coming attractions for our elections in '08! :)
Posted by Infidel_US at 08:48 AM : May 10, 2007
+ report abuse"

This is slightly mis-representative of the real situation, Infidel_US. Although the new French premiere is largely pro-American, he has made it clear that he is squarely against the Iraq war and that France will not support it.

His key line is that "America must learn that one of the things friends can do is disagree and remain friends".

I'd say the same thing needs to be learned by many Americans about each other. What we need is cooperation, not in-fighting.

[jimibear]

"jimibear: Well murdrose is right, because liberals are the people that believe we should destroy the goverment and create a new one. Last time I checked that was against the Constatution. So I think all the liberals should hang from the nearest yardarm.
Posted by pro-America at 11:16 AM : May 10, 2007
+ report abuse"

And I think that if you really believe that, you have no idea what liberalism is, and are using "liberal" as a catch-all for everything you disagree with.

Liberals do not believe in destroying the government and creating a new one, and your stating that they do is utterly ludicrous. Likewise, your wanting to hang your fellow citizens is despicable. I hope you are simply saying that for sensationalism, as if that is your real opinion, you are deeply disturbed and should seek professional help at once.

Your attitude is the very opposite of "pro-America". Try again.

[mudrose-2009]

Posted by hungry1968

Hillary in her own words:

%u201CMany of you are well enough off that . . . the tax cuts may have helped you. We%u2019re saying that for America to get back on track, we%u2019re probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We%u2019re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.%u201D%u2013Hillary Clinton

"Common good" a euphemism for socialism. And Bush is not for open borders. I do recall Kerry trying to woo the hispanic vote with his little speach in Spanish that I am John Kerry, yada, yada. Bush on the other hand is for a guest worker program, always has been. During WWII we had such a policy. We also had better tracking. These people would come here, work and go back to Mexico. We have got to close the borders. Here's the rest of Billary, the two-headed Clintoid. Hillary is a strong advocate for: universal health care, abortion (pro-death) rights, redistribution of wealth, Iraq withdrawl, the estate tax, SS staying as is, diplomacy in the form of the UN making decisions for us, such as treating everything even terrorism as a police action.

[pepperp1]

I believe the Vice President truly needs a competency hearing he should not be out representing the American People without assurance of his mental stability, the well being of which I personally question.

[mudrose-2009]

Posted by hungry1968

Hillary in her own words:

%u201CMany of you are well enough off that . . . the tax cuts may have helped you. We%u2019re saying that for America to get back on track, we%u2019re probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We%u2019re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.%u201D%u2013Hillary Clinton

"Common good" a euphemism for socialism. And Bush is not for open borders. I do recall Kerry trying to woo the hispanic vote with his little speach in Spanish that I am John Kerry, yada, yada. Bush on the other hand is for a guest worker program, always has been. During WWII we had such a policy. We also had better tracking. These people would come here, work and go back to Mexico. We have got to close the borders. Here's the rest of Billary, the two-headed Clintoid. Hillary is a strong advocate for: universal health care, abortion (pro-death) rights, redistribution of wealth, Iraq withdrawl, the estate tax, SS staying as is, diplomacy in the form of the UN making decisions for us, such as treating everything even terrorism as a police action.

[jimibear]

"jimibear: Well murdrose is right, because liberals are the people that believe we should destroy the goverment and create a new one. Last time I checked that was against the Constatution. So I think all the liberals should hang from the nearest yardarm.
Posted by pro-America at 11:16 AM : May 10, 2007
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And I think that if you really believe that, you have no idea what liberalism is, and are using "liberal" as a catch-all for everything you disagree with.

Liberals do not believe in destroying the government and creating a new one, and your stating that they do is utterly ludicrous. Likewise, your wanting to hang your fellow citizens is despicable. I hope you are simply saying that for sensationalism, as if that is your real opinion, you are deeply disturbed and should seek professional help at once.

Your attitude is the very opposite of "pro-America". Try again.