U.N.: Biofuels Could Devastate Environment

World Agency Raises Possible Negative Impact Of Biofuels On Environment And Food Security

(AP)  "Liquid biofuel production could threaten the availability of adequate food supplies by diverting land and other productive resources away from food crops," it said, adding that many of those biofuel crops require the best land, lots of water and environment-damaging chemical fertilizers.

While bioenergy crops can create jobs in poor rural areas where the bulk of the world's poor and hungry live, biofuel production favors large-scale farming, meaning small-scale farmers could be pushed off their land by industrial agriculture.

It suggested that farm co-ops, as well as government subsidies, could help small-scale farmers compete.

Such concerns have been raised by Greenpeace International and other environmental groups worried that the biofuel fad is being driven by big agricultural interests looking for new markets.

"More and more, people are realizing that there are serious environmental and serious food security issues involved in biofuels," Greenpeace biofuels expert Jan van Aken said. "There is more to the environment than climate change," he said. "Climate change is the most pressing issue, but you cannot fight climate change by large deforestation in Indonesia."

Individual U.N. agencies have previously issued small-scale reports on biofuels, but they were largely optimistic and did not highlight negative consequences because they were not yet known, said Gustavo Best, vice chair of U.N.-Energy and a biofuels expert at the Rome-based U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization.

But with the surge in interest by the private sector, the rise in commodity prices and an awareness of the strain on water supplies that has resulted from biofuel production, "we now have to raise the red flags and say 'be careful, don't go too fast,"' he said in an interview.

"There are winners and losers," he said.

That the report exists is something of a miracle, since there has long been opposition among U.N. member states, including OPEC, nuclear and other energy lobbies to have any kind of international dialogue on energy. There is for example, no U.N. Millennium Development Goal for energy, and recent U.N. working documents on sustainable development continue to be very fossil-fuel oriented, Best said.

The document is intended for governments to help them craft bioenergy policies that maximize the potential but minimize the negative impacts, even as the technology continues to change.

"We can't cross our arms and wait to have better data or better methodologies," Best said. "We need to contribute to the discussion, but in a balanced way."

[rf35]

ms38654ob,
You have a good point.

ozilot,
I like your SUV tax too.

Here%u2019s an idea: Also tax parents on a per child basis. For each child, a substantial tax increase that would go toward funding public schools. After two children, the family also forfeits all rights to any Federal money/assistance such as guaranteed student loans, Social Security, Medicare, etc. It will take drastic measures to get Americans to keep it in their pants (or at least wrap it up when it%u2019s out), but that is the only way to get America%u2019s attention: slap them in the wallet.

[brainworms1]

The real solution would be to outlaw any personal vehicle fueled by anything but muscle power. This would solve most problems faced by developed countries:
1. Obesity would disappear because people would be getting lots of exercise.
2. We wouldn't need to change corn into ethanol because tortillas would already be an excellent fuel source.
3. Existing freeways and highways would last centuries with only bicycles and rickshaws running down them and the term rush hour traffic would have no meaning.
4. People would live closer to work.
5. City density would naturally increase and suburbs would gradually heal back into open space.
6. As urban sprawl became suburban shrink , new plant life would absorb CO2 and the runaway greenhouse would stabilize.
7. Arabs could go back to riding camels and not bother attacking us because we want their oil.

Hey, it's gonna happen sooner or later anyway so why not plan for it? Why wait until they pry your SUV from your cold, dead fingers?

[alphaa10-2009]

The SugarCityCane website is a promising idea that already seems to deliver on some of its potential.

A floating agricultural acreage makes sense from a variety of standpoints, it (1) has all the srea it needs (up to a certain point, anyway), and (2) gets all the solar input it ever could need from its equatorial position.

The downsides-- despite what the website claims-- is (1) barge acreage is still much more expensive than land, and while positioning the complex is ideal for sunlight, (2) a large barge complex is unwieldy at best, subject to storms (a hurricane easily could overtake an ocean tug towing its flotilla of barges). (3) Once in place, economies of operation favor larger and larger complexes, eventually making them impossible to move about when needed. (4) Finally, as vast as the ocean might seem, your enterprise, as it grows, will encumber shipping lanes and introduce new national conflicts about use of coastal ocean areas.

[dlpracer]

I GUESS SINCE I WORK FOR A BIG OIL COMPANY
I SHOULD NOT BE SAYING THIS - (BUT)
WE HAVE OUR PEOPLE WORKING IN WASHINGTON WHO ARE WORKING AGAINST THE GOOD THAT BIOFUELS CAN DO TO HELP TRIM GAS AND OIL PRICES
THE COMPANY I WORK FOR DON'T WANT THE BOTTOM LINE TO SUFFER - EVEN WITH ALL THE EXCESS PROFIT WE ARE MAKING
IT'S LIKE LEGAL ROBBERY

Posted by tksk53 at 05:38 PM : May 08, 2007

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If you work for a big oil company, I'm the CEO, and you're fired for disclosing sensitive company secrets.

After all, big oil is terrified of government-subsidized farmers, growing crops that are at the whims, ebbs and flows of the weather.

Compared to our business model of pumping an unlimited supply of crude out of the ground, we feel very threatened....YEAH RIGHT!!

Try again.

[dlpracer]

I GUESS SINCE I WORK FOR A BIG OIL COMPANY
I SHOULD NOT BE SAYING THIS - (BUT)
WE HAVE OUR PEOPLE WORKING IN WASHINGTON WHO ARE WORKING AGAINST THE GOOD THAT BIOFUELS CAN DO TO HELP TRIM GAS AND OIL PRICES
THE COMPANY I WORK FOR DON'T WANT THE BOTTOM LINE TO SUFFER - EVEN WITH ALL THE EXCESS PROFIT WE ARE MAKING
IT'S LIKE LEGAL ROBBERY

Posted by tksk53 at 05:38 PM : May 08, 2007

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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha har-de-har ha ha ha...YOU work for a big oil company?

Even they have hiring requirements and they want people that have at least a room-temperature IQ...therefore it is clear, because you put your posting in all CAPS, that unless you work for Trailer Trash Oil LLC, YOU are full of ***.

LOL.

Try again

[djermano1]

I HOPE YOU PEOPLE WAKE UP! SEE HOW TO GROW ETHANOL ON THE OCEAN. WE DO "NOT" NEED THE LAND TO GROW ETHANOL. GOVERNOR SCHWARTZNEGGER OF CALIFORNIA KNOWS ABOUT THIS.

http://www.sugarcitycane.com

My name Dominic Jermano
CEO:Charcoal Ethanol Organization/Chairman of Energy Oceanography

[inhalednot]

I see this as the market adjusting itself over a number of years. Yes there will be shortages of corn for food for aperiod of time unitl more corn is grown and yes the price will increase also. Biofuels is a part a much broader approach we need take. Wind power for generating electricity

Posted by Houser123

Ever notice the Liberal's smug attitude toward people when it comes to the environment.

Too bad about there not being enough food. To bad things are so expensive. Wind powert but not in my backyard.

I guess Al Gores Heated pool and 30,000 electric bill make a little more sense now.

[vancouverboo]

Too bad the Catholic Church has made the only long-term solution (drastic birth control) totally impossible politically.


Alas.

[vancouverboo]

Too bad the Catholic Church (and the born again Christians) have made the only long-term solution (drastic birth control)totally impossible.
"Be fruitful and Multiply" - spoken when there were only 2 human beings on the planet, and a command given only to one man, long dead - keeps getting thrown in our faces as the justification for breeding the planet into submission.

Alas.

[alphaa10-2009]

Ethanol and biofuels programs are better than oil, in some respects, but worse in others. Biofuel, in general, is a poor general solution to a long-term problem because it is a devastating load on the ecosystem.

For example, the Mississippi Delta regularly erupts in algal blooms which destroy entire regions of gulf floor below the delta. The algae problem could not exist, were it not for mass agricultural combines like ADM (and others) pumping so much fertilizer and pesticides into the soil and rivers.

Ask ADM, and it will claim there is no significant tradeoff or penalty. Ask fishermen in the delta, and they will show you the damage. Meanwhile, ADM is ecstatic about the boost in grain production and grain prices.

Another problem-- when biofuels are burned, there is still the massive accumultation of free CO2-- the very heart of the greenhouse gas problem.

[tucano2]

Let's see - Crops become fuel for vehicles, and Oil becomes food for humans?

[tksk53]

I GUESS SINCE I WORK FOR A BIG OIL COMPANY
I SHOULD NOT BE SAYING THIS - (BUT)
WE HAVE OUR PEOPLE WORKING IN WASHINGTON WHO ARE WORKING AGAINST THE GOOD THAT BIOFUELS CAN DO TO HELP TRIM GAS AND OIL PRICES
THE COMPANY I WORK FOR DON'T WANT THE BOTTOM LINE TO SUFFER - EVEN WITH ALL THE EXCESS PROFIT WE ARE MAKING
IT'S LIKE LEGAL ROBBERY

[duntaday]

I'm 36 and I've been screaming about overpopulation for at least 20 years. Do I think I deserve to live any more than the white trash across the road or the black trash on the other corner with 10 kids that she alone can't possibly take care of? That's debatable. I'm no hyper-driven genius or I'd be making money hand over fist from these people some how. Nope, I'm just making about $24K/year or thereabouts, that's the gross figure, so actually I'm netting about 2/3 of that, or about $16K/yr. I never went to college and I have beaten myself up about that recently. I could have been a contender. Oh, my point, there are too many people, too few remaining resources to support them, and Mother Earth will most definitely cull the herd. I feel as bad as the next guy looking at these people on the TV with flies on their faces, bloated bellies, and absolutely no way to get out of their situations, but HEY! look around America! That's happening here too. Slap a hat on that Jimmy, stop thinking that seeding the planet with your spawn will somehow bring about global prosperity, it will in fact, do quite the opposite. And maybe, just maybe, I'll still be around to say I told you so. But most likely not.

[duntaday]

I'm 36 and I've been screaming about overpopulation for at least 20 years. Do I think I deserve to live any more than the white trash across the road or the black trash on the other corner with 10 kids that she alone can't possibly take care of? That's debatable. I'm no hyper-driven genius or I'd be making money hand over fist from these people some how. Nope, I'm just making about $24K/year or thereabouts, that's the gross figure, so actually I'm netting about 2/3 of that, or about $16K/yr. I never went to college and I have beaten myself up about that recently. I could have been a contender. Oh, my point, there are too many people, too few remaining resources to support them, and Mother Earth will most definitely cull the herd. I feel as bad as the next guy looking at these people on the TV with flies on their faces, bloated bellies, and absolutely no way to get out of their situations, but HEY! look around America! That's happening here too. Slap a hat on that Jimmy, stop thinking that seeding the planet with your spawn will somehow bring about global prosperity, it will in fact, do quite the opposite. And maybe, just maybe, I'll still be around to say I told you so. But most likely not.

[duntaday]

I'm 36 and I've been screaming about overpopulation for at least 20 years. Do I think I deserve to live any more than the white trash across the road or the black trash on the other corner with 10 kids that she alone can't possibly take care of? That's debatable. I'm no hyper-driven genius or I'd be making money hand over fist from these people some how. Nope, I'm just making about $24K/year or thereabouts, that's the gross figure, so actually I'm netting about 2/3 of that, or about $16K/yr. I never went to college and I have beaten myself up about that recently. I could have been a contender. Oh, my point, there are too many people, too few remaining resources to support them, and Mother Earth will most definitely cull the herd. I feel as bad as the next guy looking at these people on the TV with flies on their faces, bloated bellies, and absolutely no way to get out of their situations, but HEY! look around America! That's happening here too. Slap a hat on that Jimmy, stop thinking that seeding the planet with your spawn will somehow bring about global prosperity, it will in fact, do quite the opposite. And maybe, just maybe, I'll still be around to say I told you so. But most likely not.

[houser123]

I see this as the market adjusting itself over a number of years. Yes there will be shortages of corn for food for aperiod of time unitl more corn is grown and yes the price will increase also. Biofuels is a part a much broader approach we need take. Wind power for generating electricity, nuclear power as well for electricity, smaller and more fuel efficent cars, more efficent lighting systems. Biofuel is not the magic pill, it is only part of the solution.

[bobgee_1999]

superdem: thank you.

The planet is a big place. It is capable of sustaining a certain amount of life, at a certain level of technology, without appreciable effect. When that certain amount is exceeded, problems begin. This seems fairly obvious. Every time I see rush hour traffic I am reminded of the idiocy of humans. For some reason people think responsible exercise of their gonads amounts to sacrilege. Why they are so enamoured of their crotches and so disdainful of their minds I hope never to understand.

[tomar0317]

Just like anything else, such as this good food will do this to you, or digging for oil 3 miles under ice hurts the environment... this will be no different. We as a world have to realize that no matter what we do, it will have an impact on someone or someplace. We need to get over it! Green fuels are the future, and they're replaceable/regown every year!

[hypnotoad72]

For once I have reason to support offshoring - the people will stop *** and will start doing something else.

The problem is, if this was globalization, you'd see NO American jobs being affected. Proving it's not about globalization, but migration. And the corporate elite see Chinese and Indians are a larger group of properties to exploit. Not people.

Maybe Americans need to do what the Chinese and Indians do: Make lots more babies (in or out of wedlock, they sure as h3ll won't care) and pirate every piece of software and entertainment media possible. Then the jobs and future will come back home. (Don't forget, our taxes go to 'government subsidies' for these corporations. We paid firsthand for everything from day 1.)

[hypnotoad72]

ms38654ob - not the price of food. It hasn't stopped people from *** and making more babies. The US is pretty well populated at 300 mil. The countries which have 1.3 BILLION or more have problems keeping their zippers up.

Of course, we are educated*. They are not. It's a reason to SUPPORT offshoring; maybe they'll stop gyrating, in lieu of doing something more rewarding.

The problem is, "globalization" right now is merely a migration, not expansion. Plenty in the US are suffering and the potential domino effect is too ghastly to contemplate.



* Well, those of us without diseases, that is...