February 11, 2009 4:55 PM

Hillary Seeks To End War Authorization

(CBS/AP)  Presidential contender Hillary Rodham Clinton on Thursday sought to force another showdown with President Bush — and her Democratic rivals — over the Iraq war.

Sens. Clinton, D-N.Y., and Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., announced they would introduce legislation that would require the president to seek a reauthorization from Congress to extend the military effort in Iraq beyond October 11, 2007.

"If the president will not bring himself to accept reality, it is time for Congress to bring reality to him," Clinton said in a speech on the Senate floor.

The two senators have not decided how they will seek to force a vote on the measure — whether through an amendment, a stand-alone bill, or a spending bill.

Her tough talk also contained a veiled jab at rival John Edwards, the former North Carolina senator who has been outspoken in criticizing his own vote and that of other lawmakers in 2002 authorizing the war.

Clinton noted on Thursday that in 2002 she had also voted for an amendment offered by Byrd that would have limited the war authorization to one year. The measure was defeated, and Edwards voted against it.

"I supported the Byrd amendment on Oct 10, 2002 which would have limited the original authorization to one year and I believe a full reconsideration of the terms and conditions of that authorization is overdue," she said.

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino derided the proposal and attributed it to posturing for Democratic primary voters.

"Here we go again. The Senate is trying another way to put a surrender date on the calendar. Welcome to politics '08-style," Perino said.

The Democrats are not the first to suggest Congress vote whether to reauthorize the war. Sen. John Warner, R-Va., the former chairman of the Armed Services Committee, floated the possibility months ago, but it has gone nowhere.

Clinton's position on the Iraq war has been a subject of constant debate among Democrats as they weigh the candidates seeking the presidential nomination. She voted to authorize the war, but has long criticized the Bush administration's handling of the conflict. While others have called for an immediate withdrawal, Clinton has favored redeploying troops out of Iraq within 90 days.

She also supports a goal of removing all combat troops except those needed for residual missions by March 2008.

Edwards urged Congress to pass again a bill Mr. Bush just vetoed that would have begun troop withdrawals in October.

"Congress should stand its ground and not back down to him. They should send him the same bill he just vetoed, one that supports our troops, ends the war, and brings them home," he said.

Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., said of the Byrd-Clinton plan: "While I applaud this effort, sadly, it will not change the president's course in Iraq."

Meanwhile, House Democratic leaders indicated they are not ready to back down in their confrontation with President Bush on Iraq.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and other party leaders are considering a bill that would fund the war as Mr. Bush wants, but only guarantee the money through July. After that, Congress could block additional money from being sent if the Iraqi government does not meet certain political and security goals.

The proposal, not yet endorsed or briefed to caucus members, would be a direct challenge to the president, who has demanded Congress fund the war with no strings attached. This week, Mr. Bush vetoed a $124.2 billion bill that would have provided money for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan while requiring troops to begin coming home by Oct. 1.

Democrats say they will provide troops in combat the resources they need and will send Bush a bill by the end of the month. The nonpartisan Congressional Research Service has reported that the Army has enough bookkeeping flexibility to fund war operations until July.

In a closed-door leadership meeting Thursday, Rep. David Obey, D-Wis., suggested that the House guarantee funding of the war only through July. The bill would provide additional money after that point, but give Congress a chance to deny those funds be used if the Iraqi government does not meet certain benchmarks.

Under Obey's proposal, members would vote separately on whether to fund some of the domestic spending in the Iraq bill that Bush opposed, such as agricultural assistance.

The plan was described by Democratic aides who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the plan. According to a senior Democratic leadership aide, the plan has not been endorsed by Pelosi or in the Senate.

The move likely would appease a large number of House Democrats who are reluctant to vote for a war spending bill unless it moves toward getting troops out of Iraq. Such a plan would signal to caucus members that the speaker was not willing to back down to Bush and, at the same time, support the troops.

While the House could narrowly pass the measure, it is unlikely to find similar backing in the Senate, where some leading Democrats say they want to fund the war through September.

Several Republicans, including Sens. Susan Collins of Maine and John Sununu of New Hampshire and Reps. Roy Blunt of Missouri and Adam Putnam of Florida, have said they are open to restricting the more than $5 billion in aid for Iraq if the Baghdad government does not meet certain benchmarks.

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by sjc_1 May 6, 2007 3:46 PM EDT
This is exactly how the Constitution was meant to work. Congress authorizes and prohibits the executive branch by passing laws that everyone abides by. This includes the executive branch. The Congress speaks for the people, the Executive does not.
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by realpatriot1 May 6, 2007 12:05 PM EDT
wbboei & tweb,

Great posts!

If Bush can do better than this he needs to "Bring it on!" He's had 4 years and we ain't seen nuthin'.

The Bill's load analogy was so classy and intellectually honest that it took my breath away...have you ever thought about becoming a Republican speech writer or author of pornographic novels like Scooter Libby?
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by wbboei May 6, 2007 6:04 AM EDT
This is a sound legislative move by Senators Clinton and Byrd. First, it places constructive pressure on the Administration to redefine the mission from refereeing a civil war to fighting terrorism. Second it puts similar pressure on the Iraqi goverment to stand on its own feet, quell sectarian violence and distribute oil revenues. Third, no political leader can go too far wrong supporting a course of action which 70% of the public favors at this point. Fourth, this legislation is a reasonable exercise of congressional oversight recommended by the Iraq Study Group. Fifth, that oversight will support the troops, save lives, and support the diplomatic process which has been sadly lacking.
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by randalds May 5, 2007 9:06 PM EDT
It seems like the 'old saw' about how "the whole world is insane but thee and me, and sometimes I wonder about thee" is becoming status quo in Washington.
Posted by ToolMangler at 01:49 PM : May 05, 2007

But....but...but the whole world really IS insane except for me! It is! Really! My Psychiatrist said so! He did! He did! He did!
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by agnim May 5, 2007 8:50 PM EDT
"Hillary Seeks To End War Authorization"

What a gimmick if we ever saw one.
This woman thinks Americans are idiots?
Even bush could do better than the stupid move.
Let's see how many senile and lunatic law makers will side with this silliness.

It like trying to retrieve Bill's load after Monica had already swallowed it. LOL
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by tbweb May 5, 2007 5:21 PM EDT
Senator Hillary Clinton is right on the money with the issue of Presidential War Powers and as a former White House First Lady, Senator Hillary Clinton understands just how powerful Presidential War Powers are and many Americans do not! Any U.S. President with War Powers can literally do whatever he wants and while in practical terms thats not suppose to be true, the reality is it is true! The main idea behind Presidential War Powers is to give any U.S. President in times of war the capability to act quickly to protect the United States. The problem is a President can almost do anything in the name of protecting the U.S. including illegal wiretaps, illegal prisons and basically ignoring normal rules and protocols. Many will argue this is not true, the President is still bound by the U.S. Constitution, but its hard and almost impossible to challenge a President with War Powers so what Senator Hillary Clinton is attempting to do is turn Pres. Bush's War Powers "OFF" and return him to normal Presidential authority. I understand what she's doing and its smart if she can pull it off because then Pres. Bush will have to deal with Congress in a normal context!
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by toolmangler-2009 May 5, 2007 4:49 PM EDT
There are no candiates on either side of the aisle worthy of a vote. Money has corrupted them and the one that raises the most will win.
Posted by radiob at 10:41 PM : May 04, 2007

HiYa' Radiob, To think that most of our candidates are more into 'fighting' each other than the enemy scares the stuffings out of me.
It seems like the 'old saw' about how "the whole world is insane but thee and me, and sometimes I wonder about thee" is becoming status quo in Washington.
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by randalds May 5, 2007 4:41 AM EDT
I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! March 23, 1775 Patrick Henry
Posted by lars008 at 04:20 PM : May 04, 2007

That's right Bush! Stop trying to take my rights away!! I'd rather be dead then to live under your fascist's version of "freedom" where we have to constantly look over our shoulder just to see Big Brother looking back and looking into my bank account...and email...and regular mail...and bedroom...and listening on my phone!
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by radiob-2009 May 5, 2007 1:41 AM EDT
There are no candiates on either side of the aisle worthy of a vote. Money has corrupted them and the one that raises the most will win. I will probaly end up writing in my dog with the current field. He could certainly do no worse and he might even do some good. More than I can say about any of the candiates.
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by usawarrior May 4, 2007 11:07 PM EDT
Wow! Bad judgment and faulty (apprentice) interpretation of intelligence got us into the Iraq mess that we are in... As I see it... Bad judgment and lack of vision is about to get us out. We, Americans, are in a no win situation in Iraq as well as at home. The Senator from New York doesn't have a clue as to what will happen when we set our surrender date. I think I will move to Florida and vote there... better yet... I will not vote. I will just pay my taxes and let the fanatics and the idiots decide who will be the next %u201Cdecider%u201D. God help us!
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