Rice Talks Iraq With Top Syrian Official

Secretary Of State Says Rare U.S.-Syria Meeting Focused On Iraq Security

(CBS/AP)  Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said she raised the issue of foreign fighters entering Iraq from Syria in talks with Syria's foreign minister Thursday but "didn't lecture him" in the first high-level meeting in years between the two countries.

Rice described her half-hour with Syria's Walid Moallem on the sidelines of a major regional conference on Iraq as "professional" and "businesslike."

It was such a delicate diplomatic moment that there wasn't even a photo op, reports CBS News correspondent Sheila MacVicar.

As he left the meeting, the Syrian foreign minister was mobbed, adds MacVicar. They talked about Iraq, he said, and relations between the two countries. The Syrians say they hope this is a new beginning.

Just before secretary Rice's meeting with Syria, the U.S. military acknowledged that Syria has clamped down on foreign fighters infiltrating Iraq, adds CBS News national security correspondent David Martin.

"There has been some movement by the Syrians," said Maj. Gen. William Caldwell. "There has been a reduction in the flow of foreign fighters into Iraq" for more than a month.

It's been five months since the Iraq Study Group urged the Bush administration to begin talking to Syria and Iran "with urgency" and "without preconditions," reports Martin. The group reasoned that diplomacy could only help America get out the Iraq War sooner.

But the Bush administration has shunned Syria, accusing it of fueling tensions in Iraq and Lebanon — and it assailed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for her visit last month to Damascus.

"There was an opportunity to talk about the problem of foreign fighters — a major source of the suicide bombings. I thought it was a good opportunity to talk to the foreign minister about it," Rice said after the meeting.

"I didn't lecture him, and he didn't lecture me," Rice said.

She said she was not seeking a similar meeting with Iran's foreign minister.

The Iraqi government is pressing for talks between Rice and Iran's foreign minister, saying Washington's conflict with the government in Tehran is fueling instability in Iraq.

Rice and the Iranian "said hello, that's about it," said State Department spokesman Sean McCormack, although both American and Iranian officials had earlier spoken favorably of a possible meeting.

Rice's meeting with Moallem marked the first such high-level talks since the February 2005 assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. Syria denies it had anything to do with the killing, but U.S. and European officials have since shunned the Damascus government.

Rice said the talks were limited to Iraqi security. "I made clear we don't want to have a difficult relationship with Syria, but we need to have some basis for a better relationship."

Syria's official news agency SANA said Rice and Moallem discussed "the situation in Iraq and the need to achieve security and stability in that country" and the need to develop U.S.-Syrian ties "in a way that serves the achievement of peace, security and stability in the region."

Baghdad and the United States hope Thursday and Friday's conference of nearly 50 nations at this Egyptian Red Sea resort will rally strong international support — particularly from Arab nations — for an ambitious plan to stabilize Iraq.

The United States pressed hard in the weeks before the conference to get Arab countries' participation and urge them to forgive Iraq's billions of dollars of debt — and it was with that request that Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki opened the conference.

But Saudi Arabia's foreign minister, Saud al-Faisal, made no immediate public pledge, telling the conference only that his country "has expressed its readiness to alleviate some of the debts on Iraq."

Al-Faisal said Saudi Arabia was negotiating the issue with Iraq "in line with the regulations and bases of the Paris Club" — which calls for forgiving 80 percent of Iraq's debts.

Iraqi and U.S. officials had said Saudi Arabia privately had already committed to forgiving 80 percent of Iraq's $17 billion debt.

The conference aims in part to overcome differences between al-Maliki's Shiite-led government and Sunni Arab nations, which are demanding that the Iraqi government ensure greater participation by Sunni Arabs in Iraq's political process.

Al-Maliki pledged to institute reforms to boost Sunni participation but said forgiving Iraq of its debts was the only way the country could rebuild.

"We call on all the friends and brothers participating in this conference to forgive Iraq all its debts in order to enable it to start the projects," he said.

Iraq made clear that it wants to see a meeting between Iran and the U.S. Iraq has offered to mediate between the two, an aide to al-Maliki told the Associated Press, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the discussions. The U.S accuses Iran of fueling Iraq's violence by arming and backing militants there, a charge the government in Tehran denies.

Rice has said she was willing to meet Iran's Manouchehr Mottaki, after years of accusations and name-calling between the nations. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had also expressed interest in such a meeting.

But their contacts Thursday were limited to brief exchange over lunch, when Mottaki entered the room with the Arabic greeting, "As-salama aleikum," or "Peace be upon you," according to an Iraqi official who was at the meeting.

Rice replied, "Hello," then added to Mottaki, "Your English is better than my Arabic," the official told AP, speaking on condition of anonymity to give details of the closed lunch.

[bluestardad]

NO ACTIONABLE INTELLIGENCE HERE! SHE CAN'T EVEN GO TO KOREA AND GIVE A STARVING NATION ITS MONEY TO STOP BUILDING NUKES!

According to a Washington Post/ABC News poll conducted in June, 52 percent of Americans now believe the President deliberately distorted intelligence to make a case for war. In an Ipsos Public Affairs poll, commissioned by AfterDowningStreet.org and completed October 9, 50 percent said that if Bush lied about his reasons for going to war Congress should consider impeaching him. The President's deceit is not only an abuse of power; it is a federal crime. Specifically, it is a violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 371, which prohibits conspiracies to defraud the United States.

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[tuckerndfw]

In professional diplomacy, it is far more important to talk to your enemies than it is your friends.

But, professionalism and the Bush administration are total opposites.

The Bush administration conducts foreign policy like some hillbilly who only talks to his kinfolks while he tries to wage war on everyone else.

In a related matter, visiting Israel, or hosting Israeli officials, is a complete waste of time and money. We already know what Israel wants - more US tax dollars and US soldiers to fight their wars. We don't need high level discussions for that to be determined.

At least Iranians & Syrians fight their own wars with their own money.

[booyaw_77]

Don't worry about this stuff Republicans. Us Democrats, we'ze gonna handle it.

[afmca]

Secretary Rice now talking to the Syrians - how trendy. Way too little; way too late! The Bushiites should have been talking to Syria and Iran years ago - but the Bush neo-cons had their minds set on world conquest. This just reinforces the stupidity, arrogance, and hubris of the Bush administration. Don't worry, Peolosi laid the ground work - at least she showed that not all American politicians are as ignorant as Bush and Cheney.

[booyaw_77]

Last "discussion" I had with a Republican, he peed on me.. I says: "WHAT DE HELL KINDA DISCUSSION IS DIS?!" Let me tell yaz. "Shutup sexxxy." He said.

[karlimhof]

"U.S. Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said that the U.S. does not have the body of either the al-Qaida chief or the head of the Islamic State and doesn't know "of anybody that does." He said the military had been conducting numerous operations against al-Qaida in Iraq over the last six days and he believed that had led to reports that Abu Omar al-Baghdadi and Abu Ayyub al-Masri had been killed in fighting."

what a shame - i thought it was "mission accomplished" !

well, just another disappointment.....

[afmca]

To didntinhale - you prove that racism and bigotry still thrives lives in the small minds of many. Iraq and terorism - until Bush and his neo-con crusade Iraq was not a haven for terrorists; but a haven for a dispicable despot. Bush introduced terrorism - they now have their HQ in Pakistan and their field training in Iraq. America would still have 3000+ heroes alive and actually fighting terrorism in Afghanistan if Bush's ignorance and Cheney's immorality hadn't changed our purpose. Obama had the moral courage to see through the lies from the beginning. Many more are awakening everyday (even Republicans). It is only fools like you that Bush/Cheney can still rely on. The 20 soldiers that will die this week (and every week until Bush leaves office) for your and Bush's war salute you!

[mcvet]

How come, when Democrats and "Liberals" suggested doing what Rice is doing TODAY, all the Fascist on these boards called them names, called them defeatest or Traitors? Suddenly it's okay huh? Maybe and thats a very big maybe, we've pressured this bunch of Southern Nazi's into settling this thing after all!!! Sieg Heil Y'all

[formrusmcsgt]

In his speech opening the conference, al-Maliki pledged to institute reforms that the United States and Sunni Arab governments have repeatedly called for, including bringing more Sunni Arabs into the Iraqi political process.

Maliki is always making pledges but they mean nothing without action.

Nothing more will come of this than has come from the long list of unfulfilled pledges he has made since taking office.

Lip service.

[bigsk8fan]

It's nice to see Condi and W getting on the idea that Democrats gave to them: namely talking to Syria and Iran. Now, the neocons find this a good idea. But when Pelosi and the Democrats did it, this same act was unpatriotic. How difficult and two faced it must be to be a neocon!

And what is with the childish name calling:

"Barack Obama Bin Laden?? Barack Obama Bin Laden??" Posted by didntinhale

Do your parents know you are on the internet?

[karlimhof]

How come, when Democrats and "Liberals" suggested doing what Rice is doing TODAY, all the Fascist on these boards called them names, called them defeatest or Traitors?
Posted by MCVet


good point mcvet - it's because we have still the true, independent american virtue of questioning our government. these others, wait for their F|hrer to give them a sign.

but son't expect too much (just look at Rices' face!) - it's too little, too late and there was never any dynamic behind it.

[roger_inkart]

Condi is not flying to Damascus making a special trip to sit down with Terrosists she is going to have a chat with one of their diplomats at a conference in Egypt!!
Posted by didntinhale at 09:08 AM : May 03, 2007

The ability for the Bush apologists to rationalize and excuse the unspeakable hypocrisy from this administration is, well, breathtaking.

[iceman_1960]

"Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will meet Syria's foreign minister Thursday in the first high-level talks between the two countries in years, CBS News has learned."

Why have the Syrians agreed to meet with this criminal ?

Have they lost their minds ??

[iceman_1960]

"but don't expect too much (just look at Rices' face!)"
- Posted by karlimhof at 08:30 AM : May 03, 2007

Do we have to ?

[roger_inkart]

"There has been some movement by the Syrians ... there has been a reduction in the flow of foreign fighters into Iraq" for more than a month.

U.S. Maj. Gen. William Caldwell

When did Pelosi go to Damascus again? Or is it just a coincidence that there was a "reduction in the flow of foreign fighters into Iraq" after her visit?

S*ck on that Bush apologists. Americans might have short memories, but for the State Department along with the White House to launch a coordinated attack on Pelosi about her visit, then in less then a month meet with Syrian officials (after progress was made) makes them look like jacka$$es and hypocrites.

Which is what they are, so it works out.

[mudrose-2009]

SEIG HEIL MINE FURHER!!!
Posted by didntinhale

Notice how all these closet bigots put down Condi? She's the first women to hold this office. She's also a black woman, a minority, but, and I coin a phrase in deference to whom I speak, they all think the nappy headed pork ho who went to Damascus to speak to a terrorist sponsoroed state leader whom we have no formal diplomatic ties with "because the road to Damascus is the road to peace" made progress. It's like the ****'s complaining that Gen. Peter Pace called them immoral and they don't like that but don't recall that the whole *** congress passed veto-proofed legislation to keep them out of the military. But the homos say they're confused because being in the military is immoral - they kill people. You know apples and oranges. Can't for the love of me understand why they want to be in the military if they are so peace/piece-loving.

[mudrose-2009]

Mud, i'm going to assume that you know more than Gen. Caldwell ....... all you had to do was read the news (or listen to it) before you start ranting - rather shamelessly !
Posted by parrot2

Why you're so righteous - can't help it if you can't read between the lines. I don't think the General said this was nappy's doing? But you are so literal.

[mudrose-2009]

Their Champions of diplomacy when it comes to cowering to terrorists or surrendering to our enemys but never when it comes to true leadership.
Posted by didntinhale

I'm in the mood for pointing out ironies today. Too much cafe - but don't you just love it when Nappy and President Harry keep on saying they are only acting on the wishes of the people? Like, excuse me, but the resident in the White House was elected by the will of the people too. Seems they were just having a pissing contest with the Pres. AND THEY LOST. HAHAHAHAHAHA

[roger_inkart]

Why you're so righteous - can't help it if you can't read between the lines. I don't think the General said this was nappy's doing? But you are so literal.
Posted by mudrose at 09:41 AM : May 03, 2007

As usual with the Bush supporters, 2+2=56.

The most likely scenario is that Pelosi's overtures to the Syrians helped thaw the diplomatic freeze. Now, the hypocritical Bush administration is going to take advantage of this (while not apologizing or acknowledging that they totally apoplectic with outrage at Pelosi's trip.)

God, how little self-respect one must have to defend this White House. How little one must think of themselves to have to lie, distort, and swallow countless tons of GW's hypocrisy to try and excuse the administration's failures, incomptence and dishonesty.

[mudrose-2009]

Then it gets VETOED and she is out of cash for the override...lmfao
Posted by didntinhale

Yes, I rumor has it they want to legalize prostitution! I THINK NAPPY JUST DID. Hahahhahahaha

[mudrose-2009]

Denigrate ? .... was there any Justification for the critism ? ....... if you answer this, you will win my respect ........ there are 2 questions
Posted by parrot2

Polly-wanna, how many fingers am I holding up. If you can answer my question, I'll answer yours. Hahahahhaha

[notblue]

Pelosi's trip to Syria was nothing more than a political stunt which, 1) Was not her job or responsiblity, she is not an ambassador or a secretary of state. 2) Her visit accomplished nothing other than to thumb her nose at the president and show Syria how polarized and divided the American people are over this global conflict. Syria is a state sponsor of terrorism and it has always been the policy of the United states to not negotiate with terrorist organizations like Hezbollah, Hamas, and Al Qaeda. Syria is also an enabler of the unrest in Iraq along with Iran. The president of Iraq on CBS news this morning stated the EXTREMIST radicals are causing the majority of the violence. This is not the time to retreat!

[roger_inkart]

Sure it does polly wanna - the assult on our institutions is what's going to bring this country down. The Lefties denigrate the President, his cabinet, his policies, -
Posted by mudrose at 09:52 AM : May 03, 2007

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

- Theodore Roosevelt

[gdmoore2]

It looks like Rep. Nancy Pelosi and her bipartisan trip to Syria paved the way for Syrian talks with Secretary Rice at Sharm El Sheikh. Good job, Speaker Pelosi.

[jimibear]

"Cheney controls Bush for Haliburton in this Illegal war for profit"

So you finally get it, didntinhale. Good to see.

Actually, that doesn't sum up the entire argument of the left, and I'm not a left-winger myself, but it is certainly one very likely possibility. I don't know that Cheney in particular controls Bush; I believe they are on the same side, which is not the side of the good of the country, and that Cheney is more intelligent and competent than Bush.

But then, so are all four of my cats.

[mudrose-2009]

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

- Theodore Roosevelt
Posted by roger_inkart

. . .The impious presumption of legislators ... being themselves but fallible ... have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others. ...

Thomas Jefferson

One cannot be blinded by either, but against the world we as a nation have always displayed a unified front - not this pissing contest the consider to be the "will of the people" and "government oversight". Ugh!

[roger_inkart]

Posted by didntinhale at 10:08 AM : May 03, 2007:

No One is saying you dont have the right to be wrong Roger.

That's an amusing charge coming from a war supporter. When was the last time your side was right? WMDs, last throes, greeted as liberators, reconstruction will pay for itself, no civil war, troops sizes, etc.

Copy and paste this text::Cheney controls Bush for Haliburton in this Illegal war for profit::

Nonsense. There are dozens of reasons to oppose the war in Iraq; Making America less safe, radicalizing the Muslim world further, alienating our allies, lowering the nation's credibility in the world, wasting the lives of the soldiers, billions of taxpayer's dollars wasted, Iraq wasn't a threat but now it is, Iraq wasn't a breeding ground for terrorists but now is, it diverted attention away from Afghanistan and allowed the Taliban to regroup...

...and so forth. All your side has is bogus talking points which have no basis in reality. Luckily for the nation millions are starting to see through the deception and hypocrisy. Which is why America wants an end to the war.

[jimibear]

By the way, since Rice is visiting Syria, I propose to call her "Hanoi Condi" from now on, as of course (in this brave new world) we don't negotiate with enemies or potential enemies, terrorists or those who might harbor them - in fact, we just don't negotiate. That's un-American and cowardly, accordin to the NeoCunts. We bully our way around the world and then are surprised when we can't stop people hating us by killing their friends and families.

[omega39-2009]

Truth be known Mud this is all part of a larger strategy to make this Bush's war.

This will definitly backfire if it lands in the lap of a Democratic president in early 09.

I think their planning to blame the absolute upheaval of the mideast and $7 per gallon gas prices on Bush but that wont save them.-Posted by didntinhale

Oh the irony, coming from someone using a screen name, referencing a president that has been gone for 7 years.

[iceman_1960]

Don't respond to those whose choice of screenname indicates s*exual perversion.

"didntinhale" -- that screenname reveals a sick obsession with Bill Clinton's mouth.

Don't feed the s*exual perverts.

[mudrose-2009]

All your side has is bogus talking points which have no basis in reality. Luckily for the nation millions are starting to see through the deception and hypocrisy.

Posted by roger_inkart at

We have already, that's why we won't buy your version of deception and hypocrisy. Nappy and Harry voted for the war, NOW THEY ARE VOTING AGAINST IT. NAPPY AND HARRY VOTED FOR PORK, and were told it's not good for the nation. WHEN WILL NAPPY AND HARRY LEARN?

[roger_inkart]

One cannot be blinded by either, but against the world we as a nation have always displayed a unified front - not this pissing contest the consider to be the "will of the people" and "government oversight". Ugh!

Posted by mudrose at 10:18 AM : May 03, 2007

There are checks and balances that make this government work and make it the best in the world. Until last November there was no oversight whatsoever.

We saw what happened when one side controls everything and we acted accordingly. Luckily, the nation understood the danger and kicked the GOP to the curb. Where, if history is any judge, they'll be for a long, long time.

[jimibear]

"Truth be known Mud this is all part of a larger strategy to make this Bush's war."

No strategy necessary. This IS Bush's war. No one else's.

He lied to Congress to justify it, cherry-picked and suppressed evidence, and now is hell-bent on continuing it against the will of the people and, by extension, the congress.

The ongoing strategy in play here is the NeoCons' attempt to take this colossal mess and dump it off on their successors. I have some bad news: it's not working.

[mudrose-2009]

Don't feed the s*exual perverts.
Posted by Iceman_1960

We try not to Icey. That's why we resent when the lefties denigrate our institutions. You should look into your fears and obsessions sometime. As for me, I'm equal opportunity. I hate everyone equally. LOL

[j-whitman]

mudrose,, Good morning, What institutions does the left denigrare ???

[mudrose-2009]

"Truth be known Mud this is all part of a larger strategy to make this Bush's war." didntinhale

No strategy necessary. This IS Bush's war. No one else's.
jimibear

Oh pshaw, I distinctly recall Nappy and Harry and Murtha, and Kerry, and Kennedy, and the two-headed presidency Billary Clintoid all supporting Bush's war. They just can't take responsibility for their actions. Government oversigh my azz.

[roger_inkart]

We have already, that's why we won't buy your version of deception and hypocrisy.

Posted by mudrose at 10:24 AM : May 03, 2007

Curious. If this is true, then why is congress's approval rating higher than Bush's? Why do polls show that the nation sides with the Dems on Iraq? Why do the Democrats control both houses of congress?

You are losing your grip - and you know it. You know this is a battle you and your beloved president win not win. The nation will blame Bush and the GOP for the mess in Iraq for years to come (if not decades.)

The height of the power of the GOP has already passed. The "permament majority" Rove envisioned will likely become a "permanent minority."

[jimibear]

"One cannot be blinded by either, but against the world we as a nation have always displayed a unified front - not this pissing contest the consider to be the "will of the people" and "government oversight". Ugh!

Posted by mudrose at 10:18 AM : May 03, 2007"

To present a united front against the world by rallying around Bush is to ally oneself with evil. There is no virtue in being united and wrong; that's just mass insanity.

It is not patriotic to back the president when he is wrong. In fact, it is (as we all know Roosevelt put it) "servile and morally treacherous".

We do not want to make the same mistake the Germans did in the 1930s, or the Italians in the same time period. Bush is a fascist, and must be dealt with as such.

Disagreeing with and opposing the president when he is hurting the country, as this one is, so clearly and demonstrably, is the patriotic duty of an American. Supporting the president, in this case, is in direct opposition to supporting the country.

The will of one man should never be placed above the good of the country. Anyone who still supports Bush, with all the harm he is doing, is a traitor and an enemy of this country.

[mudrose-2009]

Curious. If this is true, then why is congress's approval rating higher than Bush's? Why do polls show that the nation sides with the Dems on Iraq? Why do the Democrats control both houses of congress?

Posted by roger_inkart

The polls are skewed and the media tells lies. Case in point, the immos had a huge demonstration on May Day across the country. How much reporting was in the news?

[jimibear]

"Oh pshaw, I distinctly recall Nappy and Harry and Murtha, and Kerry, and Kennedy, and the two-headed presidency Billary Clintoid all supporting Bush's war. They just can't take responsibility for their actions. Government oversigh my azz."


Mudrose, they supported the war based on the Bush administrations twisting of the intelligence, cherry-picking and lies. Now that they know the truth, they no longer support it.

This is what sane people do when they find new evidence; they revise their opinions. Lunatics like Bush (and apparently you) "stay the course".

It's complete insanity, and the fact that you think people who have been lied to in such a treacherous fashion should continue to rally and support the liar shows there is something deeply wrong with you.

[roger_inkart]

Oh pshaw, I distinctly recall Nappy and Harry and Murtha, and Kerry, and Kennedy, and the two-headed presidency Billary Clintoid all supporting Bush's war.
Posted by mudrose at 10:31 AM : May 03, 2007

That's legitimate criticism - the dems cowered and acted out of fear of appearing weak after 9/11. This is the demon many of them will have top wrestle with and should have to acknowledge and atone for. Some have already expressed regret for the vote and are working to make amends.

[mudrose-2009]

It's complete insanity, and the fact that you think people who have been lied to in such a treacherous fashion should continue to rally and support the liar shows there is something deeply wrong with you.
Posted by jimibear

Yes, I know, everybody on the left is the poor lidde victum of this big bad man, along with all the other foreign intelligence that was presented. They were force feed lies that the entire two-headed Presidency prior to Bushie insisted to the Do-Nothings then and now, that the sob in Iraq had WMDs. CAN'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYTHING! UGH.

[j-whitman]

mudrose,, Your dishonorable GOP started this FLIP-FLOP rhetoric,,,, Now we have this administration FLOPPING on thier hardest issue those who they keept yelling where sooooo EVIL -
--- They've Lied on every topic, most where replaced because of either total absurd incompentence or violatiing thier own moral issues.,
,,, They've called Americans & our Veterans who oppose them Terrorists, traitors, etc.. & They've "Gravely Damaged" our National Security..

My Question To You Is What Makes You Think They Won't Screw Things Up More ????

[roger_inkart]

The polls are skewed and the media tells lies. Case in point, the immos had a huge demonstration on May Day across the country. How much reporting was in the news?
Posted by mudrose at 10:34 AM : May 03, 2007

Typical. You don't like what the polls say so you dismiss them. Now that the media isn't giving Bush a free pass and acting like the pied piper for the war they "tell lies."

I don't know where you live, or who you have contact with but it's clear the nation has turned against Bush, the GOP and the war. That is reality. Get used to it.

[j-whitman]

mudrose,,, You keep saying all media except yours lies,, Everyone but your Dishonorable GOP Lies, and are Terrorists, Evil, & Un-American --- Don't you think we should be calling the men in white coats & nets on your people ????

[notblue]

Jimibear you sir are a brainwasheed naiven. the extreme laft and those who would believe all the government perpetrated conspiracy theories or the childish belief one man as in Bush could somehow though his lies and manipulation single handedly caused the Iraq conflict while at the same time ignoring the barbaristic violence of the radicals is beyond belief. You people need to get a life and enter the adult world of intelligent dialogue based on true facts. Grown ups don't need to fantasize or rationalize in order to justify political extremism.

[mudrose-2009]

Yes, I know, everybody on the left is the poor lidde victum of this big bad man, along with all the other foreign intelligence that was presented. They were force feed lies that the entire two-headed Presidency prior to Bushie insisted to the Do-Nothings then and now, that the sob in Iraq had WMDs. CAN'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYTHING! UGH.
Posted by mudrose

[roger_inkart]

Grown ups don't need to fantasize or rationalize in order to justify political extremism.
Posted by notblue at 10:49 AM : May 03, 2007

Tell that to Cheney, Rumsfeld, Pearle, Kagan, Wolfowitz and all the other little neo-cons who fit this description. Because this is their entire idealogy described perfectly.

[mudrose-2009]

Don't you think we should be calling the men in white coats & nets on your people ????
Posted by j-whitman

Sure, call them, although they are rather busy trying to handle all your people. Poor liddle victums of the big bad man. The lefties denigrate all our institutions.

[j-whitman]

Mudrose,,,, Your Decider & his tweeker Rice failed to stop 9/11 -- Keeps repeating the same actions over & over expecting different results -
- Yelled at the top of thier lungs, "We don't talk to Terrorists,, They are Evil" ---

- Don't you think they should be the last people in the World to run foreign diplomacy ????