BAGHDAD, May 2, 2007

4,000 U.S. Troops Headed To Baghdad

Added Personnel Meant To Strengthen Crackdown; 47 People Killed Across Iraq

    • A U.S. soldier with the 1st Cavalry Brigade, 2nd Batallion, 9th Regiment B troop, patrols a street separating a Shiite and a Sunni Muslim stronghold, few blocks from Baghdad's Haifa Street, March 29 2007. Photo

      A U.S. soldier with the 1st Cavalry Brigade, 2nd Batallion, 9th Regiment B troop, patrols a street separating a Shiite and a Sunni Muslim stronghold, few blocks from Baghdad's Haifa Street, March 29 2007.  (Getty Images/Patrick Baz)

    • Senior Iranian envoy Ali Larijani talks to the media after meeting top Shiite cleric Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, in Najaf, 100 miles south of Baghdad, on May 1, 2007. Photo

      Senior Iranian envoy Ali Larijani talks to the media after meeting top Shiite cleric Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, in Najaf, 100 miles south of Baghdad, on May 1, 2007.  (AP Photo/Alaa al-Marjani)

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(CBS/AP)  Nearly 4,000 American soldiers are pouring into Baghdad this week, the fourth of five brigades being sent to strengthen an 11-week-old crackdown aimed at quelling sectarian violence, the U.S. military said Wednesday.

But while the U.S. and Iraqi militaries moved to complete an increase of forces in the capital, bombings, shootings and mortar attacks left at least 47 people dead across the country.

The developments came on the eve of an international conference in the Egyptian resort of Sharm el-Sheik in a bid to boost world economic and diplomatic support for Iraq and reduce the tide of sectarian violence and terrorism there.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice acknowledged international resistance to new financial and political support for Iraq — particularly debt relief.

"The region has everything at stake here; Iraq's neighbors have everything at stake here," Rice told reporters traveling with her to a gathering that will include U.S. adversaries Iran and Syria.

Rice said the history of troubled relations between Iraq and its neighbors predates the U.S.-led invasion of 2003, but said Middle East states should understand the risk they face from a failed Iraq.

"Iraq is at the center of either a stable Middle East or an unstable Middle East, and we should therefore all align our policies in ways that contribute to stability," Rice said.

The U.S. military said Wednesday that the fourth of five brigades being sent to help Iraqi security forces as part of the crackdown had arrived this week.

The influx of troops is an attempt to put a lid on the violence and to buy the Iraqi government more time. But the Iraqi parliament plans to take a two-month summer recess, reports CBS News national security correspondent David Martin. U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker is dead set against that.

"It would be pretty hard to understand … if the council of representatives takes a two-month break when critical issues for the nation's future may still be pending," said Crocker.

The 4th Brigade, 2nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team from Fort Lewis, Wash., which includes about 3,700 soldiers, will be deployed in the Baghdad area and in northern Iraq, the military said. Officials want the rest in place by June, for a total in Iraq of 160,000.

U.S. military spokesman Rear Adm. Mark Fox said Wednesday that Iraqi and U.S. forces now have 57 joint security stations and combat outposts in the Baghdad area and that "while the security situation remains exceedingly challenging, we've seen some encouraging signs of progress."

"We continue to see a reduced total number of sectarian incidents in comparison to before the Baghdad security operation, including murders and kidnappings," Fox told reporters in Baghdad. But he said car bomb attacks have increased, including some with very high casualties.

When complete, the Baghdad security operation will include about 28,000 additional U.S. forces, including 20,500 combat soldiers and about 8,000 service members involved in support services such as intelligence, military police and logistics.

Brig. Gen. Qassim al-Moussawi, an Iraqi military spokesman, said most of the crackdown's operations were taking place in volatile areas outside Baghdad, including the Sunni cities of Mahmoudiyah and Madain.

Al-Moussawi said insurgent operations had dropped significantly in Baghdad as the groups had fled to other areas.

"Next week will witness more military operations in both halves of Baghdad," he said, referring to the two sides of the Tigris River that divides Baghdad. "Almost all our military operations are now taking place on Baghdad's outskirts."

But violence persisted Wednesday.

The deadliest attacks included a suicide car bombing that killed at least nine people in Baghdad's Sadr City, and a roadside bombing of a minibus that killed at least eight people south of the capital. At least 19 bullet-riddled bodies — apparent victims of so-called sectarian death squads — also were found, including 10 in the northeastern city of Baqouba.

The security efforts come as President Bush is engaged in a fierce debate with the Democratic-led Congress over the war. Mr. Bush vetoed legislation to pull U.S. troops out of Iraq in a historic showdown with Congress over whether the unpopular and costly war should end or escalate.

The measure would require the first U.S. combat troops to be withdrawn by Oct. 1 with a goal of a complete pullout six months later.

Democrats accused the president of ignoring Americans' desire to withdraw U.S. forces from the war, which has claimed the lives of more than 3,350 members of the military.

Ismail Qassim, a 41-year-old Shiite electricity ministry employee in Baghdad, welcomed the veto.

"In spite of all the problems Iraq is facing because of the American presence, there is some need for them at least for one more year because of the sectarian strife in Iraq and corruption in the security services," he said.

Sameer Hussein, a 22-year-old Sunni college student in Baghdad, said he wanted the U.S. forces to withdraw but didn't think they ever would.

"Even if they will withdraw they will leave permanent military bases in Iraq and that is something Iraqi people will reject," he said.

In other developments:

  • Four Filipino contractors working for the U.S. government were killed in a rocket attack on the heavily fortified Green Zone, the American Embassy said Thursday. It was the third straight day that the U.S.-controlled area in central Baghdad was hit by rockets or mortars, heightening concerns about security in the area that is home to the U.S. and British embassies and thousands of American troops.

  • The Democratic-controlled House failed Wednesday to override President Bush's veto of an Iraqi war spending bill with timetables for troop withdrawals. The 222-203 vote, far short of the two-thirds majority needed for a veto override, occurred just ahead of a White House meeting that Bush called to begin compromise talks with congressional leaders of both parties on new legislation to finance the war, now in its fifth year.

  • Rice acknowledged international resistance to new financial and political support for Iraq as she began three days of diplomacy energized by the possibility of a thaw in U.S. relations with Iran and Syria. The top U.S. diplomat met Wednesday with United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki Moon, ahead of her first face-to-face conversation with embattled Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki since the early days of a joint U.S.-Iraqi security crackdown in Baghdad.

  • Iraq's foreign minister said Wednesday that his country had persuaded Egypt to drop a call for a cease-fire in Iraq in the final document to be issued at this week's major conference to promote peace in the war-torn nation.

  • Soaring sectarian violence and government abuses have caused an alarming deterioration in religious freedom in Iraq, prompting a U.S. advisory panel for the first time to place it on a watch list of countries where freedom of worship is under severe threat. Citing gross violations of the rights of Sunni and Shiite Muslims, as well as followers of numerous minority beliefs, the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom added Iraq to its "watch list" on Wednesday. Violations included arbitrary arrests, torture and rape.



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    by neoconrcrazy May 2, 2007 8:11 AM EDT
    This is a generous offer from the Islamic Republic of Iran and shows its good-will towards Iraq and its people.

    the fact that we are now "talking to terrorists" shows how bad our situation is.

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    by coffeehead-2009 May 2, 2007 8:39 AM EDT
    Neocon,
    we've been "talking" to terrorist since day 1.

    It DEPENDS which terrorist get the kiss of exemption or the hand-hold of preference.

    Check out the 9-11 commission's ORIGINAL report - before they took India's and pakistans compliance out. We send tons of money and WEAPONS to these very terrorist countries...

    I am sure those "liberated" iraqi's will appreciate ANYONE helping them put a roof over their kids heads and jobs on the table *well - a roof for what is left of their children*.
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    by neoconrcrazy May 2, 2007 1:02 PM EDT
    Iran doesn't need to meet with us, they got the upper hand -

    it's us who need them.


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    by j-whitman May 2, 2007 2:47 PM EDT
    Here it is folks,,, Bush finially defined succesess in Iraq & lied on that too ----

    "As I've said, success will be when the level of secteriaan violence is acceptable to the people" -- Which in modern English translates to;

    RIGHT NOW,,, WE ARE THE CAUSE OF THE VIOLENCE & THEY WANT US OUT.
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    by j-whitman May 2, 2007 3:00 PM EDT
    What was that sucking sound I heard in Sacramento this morning ???? There where reports of it heard accross the nation. ----- Bush defining success in Iraq
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    by grazinggoat May 2, 2007 4:59 PM EDT
    CBS: Fast Fact
    Iranian representative Ali Ashgar Soltanieh says the U.S. and other states' nuclear arsenals represent, "the most serious threat to the very existence of humankind."

    -Thoughtful facts...
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    by fredgrad2000 May 2, 2007 5:31 PM EDT
    Hope we will meet with Iran - never hurt us with the USSR - talking to them, and more importantly letting them know consquences will follow for their nuke pursuits and Iraq activities. Never hurts to talk...

    j-whitman - we are not the cause of the violence in Iraq - the sectarian strife was instigated and fomented by Al Qaeda and Iran - who launched the largest sectarian attacks that inflamed the Shiites? Al Qaeda. Who has been arming and funding the Shiite militias with just enough to fight back, but not win and end it? Iran. Who has been training the death squads and top tiers of Sadr's mahdi army? Hezbollah - Iran's proxy throughout the middle east. And we KNOW that's what they were after because Al Qaeda has said so publicly and often!!
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    by grazinggoat May 2, 2007 6:41 PM EDT
    Hope we will meet with Iran - never hurt us with the USSR - talking to them, and more importantly letting them know consquences will follow for their nuke pursuits and Iraq activities. Never hurts to talk...
    Posted by fredgrad2000

    -Grad2000, Iran knows very well what they may face if they follow on with their nukes, and they don't care as long as United Nations Nuclear AEIA bylaws are clearly indicating their rights to pursuit of that technology. USA got to change its belittleing approach toward emerging nations, and discuss at least as partners on this unique Planet that we happen to share.

    -the secret resides in removing a rogue president who is abusing the constitution. (you'd say he's the one who vetoed the least... easy to do so, because the senate majority was GOP and sheeply following...), but here it's clearly indicative of the will of the population of USA. Walking-Liar is less considerate of the American People desire because he's not seeking another term, this same constitution not allowing him to. Remove him and make a change in diplomacy approach.
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    by one_american May 2, 2007 7:38 PM EDT
    With the failure of the veto override, the liberal Democrats have just lost another battle in their "war of choice" - their War on America.
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    by j-whitman May 2, 2007 7:42 PM EDT
    fredgrad2000,,,, Helloooo anyone home ??? Al Quida was not in Iraq, untill we opened the door & through out thier government & military.... GOT THAT NOW ?????

    You as Bush does, leaves Arab Sunni's & Iraq Sunni's out of the equation all together ----- They & al Quida still get money, arms & soldiers from the UAE Egypt, Lybia, Armenia & other places as well.... Yet Bush still says invest in the UAE
    Was that Fred Flinstone College you graduated from there fredgrad??????
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    by j-whitman May 2, 2007 7:45 PM EDT
    fredgrad2000,,, You graduated in 2000??? You're old enough for military service,,,,,, SIGN UP & SERVE YOUR COUNTRY
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    by bizzzz-2009 May 2, 2007 7:46 PM EDT
    I live in North San Diego County, 5 miles from Camp Pendleton Marine Base. I drink beer on the weekends with Marines. I can tell you they are
    p!ss#d at Reids comments and consider him a traitor.
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    by jerr11 May 2, 2007 7:47 PM EDT
    "4,000 U.S. Troops Headed To Baghdad"


    Good going! Alabama George and Deferment Cheney!

    Always easier to send other people's kids to fight and die in your cockameny war!

    In the meantime, the Bush twins are living it up in the night clubs, Papa Bush and Mama Bush enjoying the good life in DC and Crawford and uncle ******** Cheney laughing all the way to the bank with his buddies at Halliburton.

    Life is great or what!
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    by j-whitman May 2, 2007 7:52 PM EDT
    One_American -- You still trying for a 1 party country ????? 1 battle is not the war,,, 2008 we will end this failed war Bush won't & restore our National Security, Strengthten our military & the Honor of American voters.
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    by j-whitman May 2, 2007 7:58 PM EDT
    bizzzz,, Change bars 2/3rd's of our military doesn't agree with them.... My son in law is a marine in Camp Pendelton also, a career man -- What his people have seen don't match the rhetoric... He's a former Bushie & very conflicted over the issue.
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    by j-whitman May 2, 2007 8:05 PM EDT
    bizzzz,,, I was on base 2 years ago with an "Impeach Bush" sticker on my truck -- They really liked that... Those guy's where saluting me, shaking my hand, grinning from ear to ear, telling thier stories & went out of the way to help.
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    by opfor311 May 2, 2007 8:15 PM EDT
    J-witman
    "Al Quida was not in Iraq, untill we opened the door & through out thier government & military.... GOT THAT NOW ?????"

    No, since it is not true. Al-Qaeda (through it's affilated group Ansar al-Isl) was in Iraq prior to the invasion, and even had some contact with the Iraqi government. It is true that there was no operational control, or even a cooperative relationship, but that does not mean that Al-Qaeda had no presense in Iraq.
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    by inventagod2 May 2, 2007 8:48 PM EDT
    I just hate sending fresh targets into someone else's civil war...
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    by SamThornton May 2, 2007 8:52 PM EDT
    Into the Valley of Death rode the 4,000. Godspeed. Keep heads and tails down. Come home safe and in one piece.

    Wonder what would happen in Iraq and the rest of the world if we quit shooting people and blowing stuff up?
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    by aaabee-2009 May 2, 2007 9:49 PM EDT
    "The influx of troops is an attempt to put a lid on the violence and to buy the Iraqi government more time. But the Iraqi parliament plans to take a two-month summer recess"

    So we are sending in troops while Iraqi government takes a vacation.

    I suppose the bombing and killing will stop for that two months.

    Iraq just isn't on the same playing field as the US. They govern differently, have a completely different culture, different battle tactics, conflict resolution, everything.

    How are we supposed to get them to "Stand Up" if stand up to them means something entirely different than what we mean?

    This is like sharks trying to teach aardvarks how to catch squid. Makes NO sense at all.

    Makes no end to war.......
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    by aaabee-2009 May 2, 2007 9:54 PM EDT
    Al-Qaeda (through it's affilated group Ansar al-Isl) was in Iraq prior to the invasion, and even had some contact with the Iraqi government.
    Posted by Opfor311 at 05:15 PM : May 02, 2007

    J whitman, you aren't getting it. If a Republican says something (forget the facts or logic or sense) then it is TRUE.

    Republicans opening their mouths = Truth.

    See? It will be easy. Just change your position and your mind and your philosophy and your humanitarianism and your political reasoning. Drop all that and join the Bush Cult, after giving all your money and possessions to the 1% of wealthy America.

    :)
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    by bluestardad May 2, 2007 10:22 PM EDT
    NOVEMBER 7, 2006 AMERICA VOTED TO GET OUT OF IRAQ! NOW OUR CONGRESS GIVES THESE IDIOTS MONEY TO INCREASE THE WAR FOR WHAT?
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    by kstrisha May 2, 2007 10:27 PM EDT
    Quote:

    4,000 U.S. Troops Headed To Baghdad

    =====

    Quote Bush:

    "Mission Accomplished."

    ==========

    Bush was a bit presumptuous in his victory speech four years ago, don't you think? 4,ooo today, 2,000 tomorrow, 10,000 by years end when the draft is enacted.... An army recruter just called my house and spoke with my child that is still in high school, who answered the phone.

    Yes, that is right fellow Americans, the ARMY just call my home in an attempt to recruit one of my children who is STILL IN HIGH SCHOOL!!!

    Welcome to the SURGE!!! The SURGE consists of teenagers encouraged by the BUSH ADMINISTRATION to DROP OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL to FIGHT IN IRAQ!!!



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    by hsinco-2009 May 2, 2007 11:08 PM EDT
    Condi said she would be "polite..." if she runs into Iranians at the meeting.

    How diplomatic!! It's a good thing she is our top diplomat!!!


    NOT!
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    by hsinco-2009 May 2, 2007 11:13 PM EDT
    Does anyone really think Saddam would tolerate an Al-Qaeda presence in Iraq for any reason? I believe when Saddam was able to locate an Al-Qaeda member in Iraq, they were dead.

    Rememeber Saddam was a bad man. He did not tolerate any opposition.
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    by kstrisha May 2, 2007 11:16 PM EDT
    Quote:

    Does anyone really think Saddam would tolerate an Al-Qaeda presence in Iraq for any reason? I believe when Saddam was able to locate an Al-Qaeda member in Iraq, they were dead.

    Rememeber Saddam was a bad man. He did not tolerate any opposition.
    Posted by HSinCo at 08:13 PM : May 02, 2007

    =======

    Exactly! The Iraqis feared Saddam, but they don't think that Americans are worth spitting on...
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    by middleman8 May 2, 2007 11:20 PM EDT
    I guess its easier for these troops to go shoot and bomb helpless women and children than to stand up for their rights and say enough is enough,end this lieing war now.
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    by kstrisha May 2, 2007 11:25 PM EDT
    Don't blame the troops, PLEASE!!! They are being good soldiers and doing what they are told. It is THEIR job, just as GUIDING the troops is BUSH'S JOB...
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    by opfor311 May 2, 2007 11:27 PM EDT
    AaaBee,
    From the 2006 Senate Report of Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq:

    "According to the DIA, detainee information and captured document exploitation indicate that the regime [of Saddam Hussein] was aware of Ansar al-Islam and al-Qa'ida presence in northeastern Iraq, but the groups' presence was considered a threat to the regime and the Iraqi government attempted intelligence collection operations against them."

    Please check your "facts" before you make claims. I've never asked anyone to believe me because of my political views (whatever they may be), but because I've got sources. Don't just accept something because some Democrat said it's true. Do a little research. After all, it's better to say nothing and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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    by kstrisha May 2, 2007 11:32 PM EDT
    Quote:

    toilet paper "intelligence"

    =========

    LOL, indeed!
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    by opfor311 May 2, 2007 11:50 PM EDT
    ainttaken,

    Let me see if I've got this right. If intelligence supports the Democrats it's reliable, but if it doesn't then it's "toilet paper "intelligence""

    I believe that you are acting like one who says "Don't confuse me with facts. My mind is made up."
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    by kstrisha May 2, 2007 11:59 PM EDT
    Quote:

    ainttaken,

    Let me see if I've got this right. If intelligence supports the Democrats it's reliable, but if it doesn't then it's "toilet paper "intelligence""

    Posted by opfor311 at 08:50 PM : May 02, 2007

    ==========

    NO, no, no! Read the post until you COMPREHEND it. If not, you flunk back into kindergarten....

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    by tomflint69 May 3, 2007 12:56 AM EDT
    I think we must extend this number beyond 10,000 troops in order to finish the job earlier.
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    by citizenusa-2009 May 3, 2007 1:05 AM EDT
    It is incomprehensible to me that we Americans are not marching in the streets to protest this Unmitigated slaughter!! We have the most corrupt administration that has ever existed in the U.S. and (despite their lofty promises) the Democrats are POWERLESS to stop the MADMAN from sending more and more of our soldiers into a country where they are nothing more than moving targets! MY GOD! Clinton was nearly impeached for NOTHING while Bush and the smarmy V.P. are responsible for mass murder and what do they get? Airtime. Sickening!!!!
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    by mh4cbs1 May 3, 2007 1:07 AM EDT
    It is now CLEAR to anyone paying attention, that Cheney and Bush

    DEILIBERATELY LIED us into Invading Iraq to start a needless, horrific WAR.

    Folks this is a HIGH CRIME if there ever was one. Why will the spineless, complicit Democrats DO NOTHING!!

    Tennet, who was complicit in the crime, offers just one more nail in the coffin. An impeachment hearing would bring a stream of witnesses and unrefutable evidence to force the impeachement of George Bush and D*ck Cheney.

    Love America? Support the troops? Then JAIL these two murderous thugs!!
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    by kstrisha May 3, 2007 1:20 AM EDT
    Quote:

    Another great oxymoron:

    Democratic-controlled

    He
    re's a couple more:

    government worker or liberal thinker
    Posted by badaxmofo at 09:59 PM : May 02, 2007

    ======

    Hey, how about:

    government worker & LIBERAL THINKER!!!

    ===

    KISS MY AMERICAN ***!!!
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    by tomflint69 May 3, 2007 1:33 AM EDT
    citizenUSA,
    You may not agree with me!
    President is like Father. Please dont call him as a 'MADMAN'.
    We should obey Mr.Bush, he is our honourable president.
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    by citizenusa-2009 May 3, 2007 1:39 AM EDT
    tomflint69 ... a father doesn't slaughter his children unless he is a MADMAN.
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    by mh4cbs1 May 3, 2007 1:52 AM EDT
    You liberals should stop whining about BUSH! So what if he had to Lie and Scare us in order to invade Iraq - it was worth it!! Now we control 21 TRILLION dollars of Oil, AND we get to keep permanent military bases in Iraq! So stop whining, it was WORTH the minor costs, like:

    $500 BILLION spent on war (good for our stock market though!),

    3,300 American troops killed,

    700 mercenary contractors killed,

    Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqis killed,

    Two million Iraqis displaced

    Destroyed the Iraqi economy

    Iraqi transporation and utilites are in ruins

    Started a religious-based civil war

    Increased the threat of a regional war

    Created an environment for terrorism to thrive and grow.

    So what's the big deal! Don't be so short-sighted. We have fulfilled phase 1 of our NeoCon PNAC vision for a new world order!!

    So.. Praise the Lord, Wave the Flag, and God Bless America (cuz we deserve it, not those Islamic heathens)
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    by opfor311 May 3, 2007 2:15 AM EDT
    kstrisha,

    I'm sorry, but staring at nonsense doesn't change it. Considering that the pre-war intelligence was consistant with what the KGB, GRU, MI5, MI6, DGSE, MSS, and other intelligence agencies had on Iraq, there was therefore no corruption of the intelligence. However, there was a great deal of CYA after the convential wisdom was found to have been misinformed.

    However, just because they were mistaken on this does not mean that they are always wrong. If you want to refute them, go ahead, be my guest. But making snarky comments is not a refutation.
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    by kstrisha May 3, 2007 2:23 AM EDT
    kstrisha,

    I'm sorry, but staring at nonsense doesn't change it. Considering that the pre-war intelligence was consistant with what the KGB said...


    ===========


    All the more reason to ignore it.
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    by opfor311 May 3, 2007 2:26 AM EDT
    "hmmmmm.....no WMD's. They all disappeared into Syria. any reliable intelligence here? or toilet paper?"
    First of all, there were over 500 WMD found in Iraq, mostly left over from the Iran-Iraq war. But they were there. Was the convential wisdom in entire intelligence community wrong? For the most part, yes. But it was a failing across the board, based on a lack of reliable humint. After all, even Saddam's ministers believed that they still had WMD.

    "Insurgents "are in their last throes" based on reliable or toilet papaer intelligence?"
    At the time it was said, it was true. But Al-Qaeda made a hail-mary pass when they blew up the Golden Mosq
    Niger uranium and aluminum tubes? reliable or toilet paper?
    Lets believe everything Chalibi says. Was that reliable or toilet paper?
    The name of the Al qaida agent is...(drumroll)
    English are screaming WAIT we arent through interrogating.....
    Outng plame, an act of simpleton revenge bestowed on one ofypur own."
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    by opfor311 May 3, 2007 2:37 AM EDT
    "Insurgents "are in their last throes" based on reliable or toilet papaer intelligence?"
    At the time it was said, it was true. But Al-Qaeda made a hail-mary pass when they blew up the Golden Mosque, and re-ignited the Shia-Sunni fighting.

    Niger uranium and aluminum tubes? reliable or toilet paper?
    First, Iraq DID try to buy Uranium from Niger, as was evidenced by their own documents, which have since been translated. But they never succeeded in buying any.

    As for the Aluminum tubes, they were of a size and type that was consistant with what would have been needed for a centrafuge. However, it was only after a visual inspection that they were found to be of too low a quality for that purpose. However, it was impossible to tell from the manifest what the quality was.

    "Lets believe everything Chalibi says. Was that reliable or toilet paper?"
    Again, there was a lack of reliable humint that could confirm or refute what Chalibi said. And again, we were not the only intelligence community that had to accept what he said, since we had no other source.

    "Outng plame, an act of simpleton revenge bestowed on one of your own."

    Sorry, Armitege, who was no friend of the White House, and actually was one who tried to give the diplomats more time was the one who outed Plame. His conversation with Woodward was BEFORE wilson published his article, so it's hard to see how it could have been revenge by the White house.

    Got anything else?
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    by kstrisha May 3, 2007 2:39 AM EDT
    Quote:

    If you want to refute them, go ahead, be my guest. But making snarky comments is not a refutation.
    Posted by Opfor311 at 11:15 PM : May 02, 2007

    ==========

    Opfor311 wants a GIRLIE FIGHT!

    Let's bet...
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    by tbweb May 3, 2007 4:01 AM EDT
    Other nations are not sending troops to Iraq to support the U.S. there, that alone should raise eyebrows! The nations that are in Iraq supporting the U.S. are trying to leave! President Bush's arguments for the U.S. staying and surging in Iraq are not shared by other nations. The U.S. go it alone policy cannot be sustained and is bankrupting the U.S. in every way and in every context. Even Arab neighbors will not supply boots on the ground. The U.S. cannot and should not take on such a complex task all by itself. Where is the help? Where is the support from the American people and its representatives in Congress. It really is amazing one person can continue you in the face of so much opposition and get away with it. I support our President and love our nation but this is not the way its suppose to work! The U.S. is a team, not a one person affair!
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    by norcalruss May 3, 2007 4:12 AM EDT
    What? You mean four years after MISSION ACCOMPLISHED we are still sending troops of there? Does that mean that Dubya was full of it, and himself, when he made that speech? You mean that the I RACKIS are not peaceful, and prosperous yet? What about all that hugs and flowers stuff that Wolfie, Rummie, and all of them said? What happened? Am I just another dumba$$ neo-con who has been asleep the last four years?
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    by tomflint69 May 3, 2007 4:48 AM EDT
    Don't worry. Eat apples and sleep the whole day. Let them do what they want. Send more troops to Iraq for our safety.
    Long Live U.S
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    by tbweb May 3, 2007 5:59 AM EDT
    Norcalruss wrote:

    What? You mean four years after MISSION ACCOMPLISHED we are still sending troops of there?
    Posted by Norcalruss at 01:12 AM : May 03, 2007

    Everyone has blown the Pres. Bush "Mission Accomplished" statement way out of proportion. Pres. Bush meant "Mission Accomplished" for the Aircraft Carrier Battle Group, not the Iraq war itself. Lets fight fair!

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    by bildooreilly May 3, 2007 7:09 AM EDT
    The bogus iraq war and all their islamic boogeymen are just to distract you from the 30 million illegal mexicans they let in, their new "North American Community" and their new "Amero" currency.... while you suckers are all worried about a bunch of islamic boogeymen and camel jockeys halfway around the world, the suit and tie terrorists running the show here at home are getting ready to stick the knife in your backs... don't expect the commie mass media like CBS, NBC, CNN, FAUX or any of the other TV garbage to tell you the truth either, they're all in on it too....
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    by tbweb May 3, 2007 7:22 AM EDT
    The U.S. may need to do the unthinkable! With the bulk of the U.S. Military in Iraq, including many National Guard and a severe shortage in many Police Departments around the nation, the American public is vulnerable to attack and not well protected. With rampant crime in U.S. inner cities out of control, millions of illegals committing crime and foreign students gunning down Americans at Virginia Tech, the U.S. may just have to bite the bullet and let Americans carry weapons. I know its an ugly solution, won't be well received, but if the American public can't be protected, the U.S. has to let the American public protect itself. In some states like Kentucky Americans can already do so! There should be a training requirement first but it may need to be done!
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