BAGHDAD, May 1, 2007

Insurgents: Iraq Al Qaeda Leader Is Alive

Claim Refutes Iraqi Government Reports That Al-Masri Was Killed

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      File photo of Abu Ayyub Al-Masri, aka Sheik Abu Hamza Al-Muhajer.  (Dept. of Defense)

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(CBS/AP)  Iraq's government received reports that the leader of al Qaeda in Iraq had been killed, but officials said Tuesday the information had not been confirmed, and an insurgent coalition insisted he was alive.

CBS News correspondent Mark Strassmann reports U.S. military sources in Baghdad are being extremely cautious about taking the reports of Abu Ayyub al-Masri's death at face value.

One senior commander told CBS News that reports of al-Masri's death or capture seem to come from Iraqi officials every month, and so far they have all been false alarms. U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker told reporters that American authorities in Baghdad were seeking more information.

An umbrella organization of Iraqi insurgent groups denied the al Qaeda leader had been killed, saying he was alive and safe, according to an Internet statement.

"The Islamic State of Iraq reassures the Ummah (nation) that Sheik Abu Hamza al-Muhajer, God protect him, is alive and he is still fighting the enemy of God," the umbrella group said on a Web site commonly used by insurgents.

A series of reports Tuesday said Abu Hamza al-Muhajer — whom U.S. and Iraqi forces identify by another pseudonym, Abu Ayyub al-Masri — had been killed, either by rivals in al Qaeda or Sunni tribesmen who have turned against al Qaeda.

A Pentagon spokesman, Col. Gary Keck, said he was aware of the reports from Iraq but had no confirmation.

"U.S. forces are working with Iraqi officials to determine if this is true," he said, adding that he did not know whether U.S. forces were at the site of the alleged killing.

In recent months, divisions among Sunni insurgent groups have sharpened, in part because of al Qaeda's attempt to dominate the "resistance," impose a harsh brand of Islam on ordinary people and use foreign fighters, U.S. officials say.

More than 200 Sunni Arab sheiks in Anbar province have decided to form a political party to oppose al Qaeda. Clashes have erupted in three Sunni provinces between al Qaeda and other insurgent groups, notably the nationalist 1920 Revolution Brigades, U.S. officers say.

Iraqi officials released conflicting accounts of when and where al-Masri was purportedly killed, and who was supposed to have killed him. It was also unclear whether Iraqi authorities had the body.

Chief government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh Al-Dabbagh told Al-Arabiya television that the report of al-Masri's death was based on "intelligence information," adding that "DNA tests should be done and we have to bring someone to identify the body."

But he refused to say unequivocally whether Iraqi security forces had the body, citing security restrictions.

Just as al-Zarqawi's death did little to reign in al Qaeda in Iraq, CBS News terrorism consultant Paul Kurtz says al-Masri's demise, if confirmed, would likely have little effect on the group's deadly operations.

"Al Qaeda in Iraq is a multi-headed hydra," Kurtz, who used to work for the Bush administration in counterterrorism, said on CBS' Early Show.

Kurtz says the influence of the Iraq chapter of al Qaeda is believed to be "limited to the confines of Iraq," and the leader's death would have little or know effect on the group's worldwide operations. A State Department report released Monday said terror attacks across the world had increased 25 percent in 2006 (read more).

In other developments

  • Egypt wants an international conference on Iraq this week to call for a three-month cease-fire between Iraqi forces and insurgents, according to a draft resolution. The Egyptian proposal was the latest source of division between Iraq and its Arab neighbors. It implicitly treats the Shiite-led Iraqi government and the Sunni-led insurgency as equals, and an Iraqi diplomat said Monday that Baghdad rejected the idea.

  • An al Qaeda-linked militant group has posted a new video said to show the first use of an insurgent-made device that specifically targets U.S. minesweepers in Iraq. The video, dated Apr. 25 and a minute and a half long, shows what is purported to be a U.S. army vehicle driving down a road in a very leafy area. As the vehicle comes into focus, it suddenly explodes into a huge plume of smoke.

  • Gunmen ambushed travelers on a highway leading from Baghdad to Shiite areas to the south on Tuesday, killing 14 people. The attacks began when gunmen took aim at a minibus, killing 11 Shiites and wounding three, as it passed near Iskandariyah, 30 miles south of Baghdad in a predominantly Sunni area. About 45 minutes later, a group of gunmen standing on the highway opened fire at civilian cars, killing three people and wounding five about six miles north of the site of the initial attack.

  • No casualties were reported in a mortar attack near the Iraqi prime minister's office in the U.S.-controlled Green Zone — the second strike against the sprawling complex in about 12 hours — but it underscored heightened concerns about security in an area that is home to the U.S. and British embassies and thousands of American troops, as well as the Iraqi government headquarters.

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    by May 1, 2007 6:53 AM PDT
    IF this is true, then it shows how weakened al-Qaeda in Iraq really is.

    GW Bush and his corrupt administration may need to start looking for a new "enemy" in Iraq - someone to blame so that he can continue his war of terror on the Iraqi people.
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    by bluestardad May 1, 2007 7:19 AM PDT
    THIS MEANS NOTHING EXCEPT BUSH IS TRYING TO SHOW SUCCESS FOR THE 3315 AMERICAN LIVES HE HAS TAKEN FOR THIS WAR ON A LIE TO PROTECT ISRAEL!
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    by wolf563 May 1, 2007 7:33 AM PDT
    Nothing will change now that he is dead . Another will take over and when he is dead what do you think will happen ? Thay are like circleflies to a camels *** . The U.S. should pull back handing the reins to IRAQ to continue with THIER homeland problems . Stay outside of IRAQ and monitor this at a distance . Our people have showed them the do`s and don`ts of this campain and now its time IRAQ takes care of its own fate .
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    by freedomisnot May 1, 2007 7:36 AM PDT
    Here is a question for all of you "Surrender Now"
    crowd. What would this raghead sand flea have done if we had not lured him from Egypt to his beautiful demise?

    Answer: He would have done what kind continue to do. Blow up women and children to make a political point. And yes the terrorist will replace him just like they replaced his predicessors and we will kill him too and so on and so on and so on. Keep sending them Egypt,Syria,Saudi Arabia,Iran and we will send them into the pigs bunghole where they belong.
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    by bluestardad May 1, 2007 7:39 AM PDT
    SO UNCONFIRMED SOURCES SAY THIS GUY IS DEAD! HOW MANY UNCONFIRMED SOURCES SAID WE ARE GOING TO BE GREETED AS LIBERATORS.

    ANOTHER LIE BY THE BUSH KOOL AID DRINKING FLUNKIES!
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    by perception5 May 1, 2007 7:45 AM PDT
    If true great news for the world. If true bad news for Al Queda, terrorists worldwide, Harry and Nancy, and their pals in our corrupt liberal MSM wolfpack.

    Every human deserves to live in Freedom........and have a government that is elected by the people and for the people.
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    by cathaleen May 1, 2007 7:50 AM PDT
    What difference does it make? He'll be replaced
    with a new demon. It seems there is an endless supply of these monsters.
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    by nonameabc May 1, 2007 7:54 AM PDT
    I agree, another one will replace him, and may get worse. If you read news more often, there was a British media went to Iraq just after the war and looking for "Al Qaeda" information. Those Iraqi know nothing and never heard "Al Qaeda". This name, probably is made by our administration which they can give the funding, and give us the "target" to shoot for...
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    by sandy19731 May 1, 2007 7:57 AM PDT
    I certainly hope he is dead. Of course, if true, now he is a martyr and will no doubt inspire more true believers....

    There will be no end to religious fanaticism until religious leaders call some kind of summit.

    It is time for the Pope or someone to step up and call for a time out and discussion.

    There is no military solution to this problem



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    by freedomisnot May 1, 2007 7:58 AM PDT
    What difference does it make? He'll be replaced
    with a new demon. It seems there is an endless supply of these monsters.
    Posted by cathaleen at 07:50 AM

    Send more bullets and bombs we have much killing to do.Better send some bull dozers backhoes and a few incenerators too the bodies are stacking up.
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    by rafterman1 May 1, 2007 8:18 AM PDT
    ===What a vile disgusting group of people that puts Political victory in front of American soldiers lives.===

    Yes, I agree, you are disgusting, protecting George Bush's political life at the expense of US troops and national security. I mean, why else would you support a war that is bad for America if not to protect Bush?

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    by dallison7 May 1, 2007 8:19 AM PDT
    Here is a question for all of you "Surrender Now"
    crowd. What would this raghead sand flea have done if we had not lured him from Egypt to his beautiful demise?
    Posted by freedomisnot


    I GET IT!!!

    The NEW reason for invading a soveriegn nation was to "LURE" bad people from other countries to a killing field.

    BRILLIANT!!
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    by rharrin1 May 1, 2007 8:27 AM PDT
    Every human deserves to live in Freedom........and have a government that is elected by the people and for the people.
    Posted by perception5 at 07:45 AM : May 01, 2007

    Then why is the United States over there telling them how to run their country?
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    by rafterman1 May 1, 2007 8:30 AM PDT
    ===The NEW reason for invading a soveriegn nation was to "LURE" bad people from other countries to a killing field===

    Naw, this brilliant strategy has been a favorite of the "no intelligence, no thought crowd" for a while now. Which is of course naive to the point of being laughable that all the terrorists in the world will come to Iraq and no other terrorists will be left to attack America. Actually, it's not laughable, it's dangerous to US security to think that.



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    by freedomisnot May 1, 2007 8:32 AM PDT
    The NEW reason for invading a soveriegn nation was to "LURE" bad people from other countries to a killing field.

    BRILLIANT!!

    Posted by dallison7 at 08:19 AM

    No not the new reason it has been the reason ALL ALONG. Take your Ridilen and pay some tension. Iraq has always been a secondary objective. The primary objective is to kill terrorist (Islamic extremist) that reside in most of the countries in the Middle East and North Africa. They hide in civilian populations and their host countries deny any affiliation. How do you fight in that situation? Declare war on all of the Middle East and North Africa?? That would not suit us. Better to invade a Holy Muslim country (lots of Mosques and history) thumb our nose at the terrorist and invite them over for a chat. It's kind of like picking a fight at a biker bar when your friends with the owner. You don't want to completely trash the place so just go outside kick over all of the bikes and fight in the parking lot.
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    by freedomisnot May 1, 2007 8:36 AM PDT
    Naw, this brilliant strategy has been a favorite of the "no intelligence, no thought crowd" for a while now. Which is of course naive to the point of being laughable that all the terrorists in the world will come to Iraq and no other terrorists will be left to attack America. Actually, it's not laughable, it's dangerous to US security to think that.




    Posted by Rafterman1 at 08:30 AM

    Please bless us with your strategy. I apologize I was not aware I was in the presence of such wisdom. If you have a plan to win I would love to hear it. I am very openminded when it comes to killing islamic extremist.
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    by rafterman1 May 1, 2007 8:41 AM PDT
    ===Better to invade a Holy Muslim country (lots of Mosques and history) thumb our nose at the terrorist and invite them over for a chat.===

    Iraq is not a "Holy Muslim country". No such thing. And even then, Saudi Arabia would be a better choice. Our supposed ally has more holy sites and more terrorists than Iraq ever had.

    A dangerous misconception is that the terrorists are dumb or lack sophistication and planning. This is not true. Iraq is a planned diversion to keep American troops and money tied up while the real plots against America are planned in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Even before the Iraq invasion, OBL himself said this was his plan - to draw America into a war. OBL wanted war in Iraq and George Bush was dumb enough to oblige.
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    by whatithink-2009 May 1, 2007 8:41 AM PDT
    The neocon supporters continue to call the truth a liberal as they swallow wholeheartedly the lies and propaganda of their fuhrer.
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    by dallison7 May 1, 2007 8:43 AM PDT
    It's kind of like picking a fight at a biker bar when your friends with the owner. You don't want to completely trash the place so just go outside kick over all of the bikes and fight in the parking lot.
    Posted by freedomisnot



    I'm beginning to see a personality profile which will help explain a lot for the rest of us.

    Let's see, you are in the IQ bracket of people who would pick a fight in a biker bar.

    BRILLIANT!!

    Keep talking.
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    by freedomisnot May 1, 2007 8:44 AM PDT
    Iraq is not a "Holy Muslim country". No such thing. And even then, Saudi Arabia would be a better choice. Our supposed ally has more holy sites and more terrorists than Iraq ever had.

    Rafter
    Uh thats a commentary not a plan. Whats the plan to win?
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    by whatithink-2009 May 1, 2007 8:46 AM PDT
    "Better to invade a Holy Muslim country (lots of Mosques and history) thumb our nose at the terrorist and invite them over for a chat. "

    Freedomisnot,

    So you are saying that we invaded Iraq who did NOTHING to us in order to bring misery and suffering onto their civilians for our own selfish purposes?

    How does that separate us from terrorists?
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    by neoconrcrazy May 1, 2007 8:46 AM PDT
    What a vile disgusting group of people that puts Political victory in front of American soldiers lives.

    Posted by didntinhale (but swallows)

    what a disgusting commentator that wants to see more of his countrymen lose their lives in the lied-into Bush War- a traitor to American ideals and principles - go to N.Korea where you live with like-minded facists.

    Remember - there were no Al-Qaeda in Iraq before Bushit lied us into his Bush War.



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    by shingles1 May 1, 2007 8:49 AM PDT
    Happy Mission Accomplished Day, everybody!
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    by neoconrcrazy May 1, 2007 8:50 AM PDT
    Let's see, you are in the IQ bracket of people who would pick a fight in a biker bar.

    BRILLIANT!!

    Keep talking.
    Posted by dallison7


    and he'd probably be wearing hot-pants and high-heels !

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    by perception5 May 1, 2007 8:50 AM PDT
    Remember - there were no Al-Qaeda in Iraq before Bushit lied us into his Bush War.

    Posted by neoconRcrazy at 08:46 AM : May 01, 2007

    ........ Yeah and our President has "repeatly" said that "there was no connection between al qaeda and Iraq". I heard it from his mouth.......unfortunately our corrupt liberal MSM wolfpack isn't interested in "debunking" this lie.
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    by freedomisnot May 1, 2007 8:50 AM PDT
    Let's see, you are in the IQ bracket of people who would pick a fight in a biker bar.

    BRILLIANT!!

    Keep talking.
    Posted by dallison7 at 08:43 AM

    Sorry for the analogy I forgot I'm talking to pacifist. I only used that analogy to illustrate the fight is not with the bar (Iraq) but the people (islamic extremist). And personal attacks do not add to the discussion although they are fun pencildik
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    by rafterman1 May 1, 2007 8:50 AM PDT
    ===Please bless us with your strategy. I apologize I was not aware I was in the presence of such wisdom. If you have a plan to win I would love to hear it. I am very openminded when it comes to killing islamic extremist.===

    That's just it, no wisdom is required as this is ocmmon sense. Any dink who watches the History Channel for a month could figure this out. But slogans and jingoism have clouded American minds.

    The plan? You cannot defeat terrorism in war any more than you can have a war on crime or drugs. Remember how those went? Not so well. Any a$$hole with a gun and a grudge can be a terrorist. You cannot take a few hundred thousand troops and think you can defeat a whole world of terrorists with it. Because the enemy can replace dead terrorists just as easy as we can replace our dead troops. It never ends.

    You don't defeat terror with military force, you defeat terror by making the terroists not want to be terrorists in the first place. Step One wil be to solve the Israeli-Paletinian problem. Ninety percent of ME terror is because of it. And it can be solved. But none of the sides involved are really interested in solving it. It will take a commitment and the realization that both sides are going to have to give up things they don't want to give up.

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    by whatithink-2009 May 1, 2007 8:51 AM PDT
    Also, Iraq was anything but a radical islamic country when we invaded it. Saddam was clearly in love with himself, but his regime did allow Christians, etc. to worship freely. In fact, the Christian population in Iraq has been suffering greatly since we invaded. People can't go to church like they used to be cause we have given Iraq over to the Shia who want to create a nation similar to Iran.
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    by patriotic9 May 1, 2007 8:52 AM PDT
    If this story is true it's bad news for far-lefties. :)
    Posted by singinrick at 08:11 AM : May 01, 2007

    It's a bad news for Right-wing nuts like you who removed SECULAR SADDAM from power and brought their RADICAL MUSLIM BROTHERS into power and turned Iraq into a training camp for Alqaeda.
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    by infidel_us May 1, 2007 8:52 AM PDT
    Naw, this brilliant strategy has been a favorite of the "no intelligence, no thought crowd" for a while now.
    Posted by Rafterman1 at 08:30 AM : May 01, 2007

    Do you deny that elements from outside countries are trying to influence the stabilization of Iraq? What most fail to realize is that, like it or not, Iraq has BECOME the killing field. It has morphed in to a totally different battle.

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    by whatithink-2009 May 1, 2007 8:54 AM PDT
    " Any a$$hole with a gun and a grudge can be a terrorist."

    Rafterman1,

    Well said. ANYONE can also be a terrorist. Anyone.
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    by rafterman1 May 1, 2007 8:57 AM PDT
    ===Uh thats a commentary not a plan. Whats the plan to win?===

    As I already alluded to in my last post, the diplomatic solution is what needs to be concentrated on. The military one is getting us nowhere. Israel has been fighting the Bush plan for fifty plus years now, to no avail. Your plan is to remedy the symptom. But the real key though is to rememdy the cause. Prevent the disease in the first place.

    But I also explained the terrorist's plan according to OBL himself. Are you saying your plan is to fall for their diversion?
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    by freedomisnot May 1, 2007 8:59 AM PDT
    So you are saying that we invaded Iraq who did NOTHING to us in order to bring misery and suffering onto their civilians for our own selfish purposes?

    How does that separate us from terrorists?
    Posted by whatithink at 08:46 AM : May 01, 2007

    Misery and suffering were in Iraq long before we got there ala Sadam. He was the big bad dude mouthing off to the whole world and thumbing his nose at the UN for more than ten years. Again I know you are a pacifist so you may not understand this but in a fight against multiple opponents you attack the loudmouth first. If you take him out quickly (as we did) the others will pause just long enough to let you plan their demise.
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    by rafterman1 May 1, 2007 9:02 AM PDT
    ===Do you deny that elements from outside countries are trying to influence the stabilization of Iraq? What most fail to realize is that, like it or not, Iraq has BECOME the killing field. It has morphed in to a totally different battle===

    Of course there is outside interference. Iran, probably Syria. But that doesn't change the reality that Iraq does not have a military solution. Even our generals have said that. Arabs and Israelis have been going at it 50 years. The Russians gave up after 10. Why does anyone think the US will hve better luck?
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    by dallison7 May 1, 2007 9:03 AM PDT
    Sorry for the analogy I forgot I'm talking to pacifist. I only used that analogy to illustrate the fight is not with the bar (Iraq) but the people (islamic extremist). And personal attacks do not add to the discussion although they are fun pencildik
    Posted by freedomisnot


    Not a personal attack, my friend, an observation. It is the mentality of the far right that the United States has the right to go anywhere and kill anyone, whether they have harmed us or not, if we believe it may serve our needs. Therein lies one of the main reasons that young Muslims are willing to give their lives in this fight.

    We are losing this fight, and we will never win until we understand that we have no right forcing our will on others. We should be lifting people up instead of killing them. Imagine the good that could have been done with all the money that has been squandered on this war!

    If only we had stayed on track and brought to justice those who harmed us, instead of starting this insane war we could still be a beacon for good in the world.

    Whether you can see it or not, the answer to most of the world's problems is education.
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    by neoconrcrazy May 1, 2007 9:06 AM PDT
    You don't defeat terror with military force, you defeat terror by making the terroists not want to be terrorists in the first place. Step One wil be to solve the Israeli-Paletinian problem. Ninety percent of ME terror is because of it.

    Posted by Rafterman1

    Right on - this is why bushits' "war on terror" is so phony. what you've said, every well-informed person knows.

    the fact that bushit hasn't paid any attention to the root of ME terrorism, i.e. Palestinian conflict, means his agenda does not include the basic solutions needed to end terrorisms' reason to exist.

    this leaves us only with the reality that bushit started this war to;

    - revenge his daddy
    - show his disapproval of Saddams moustache
    - impress Condi
    - steal their oil

    probably a mix of the above.
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    by neoconrcrazy May 1, 2007 9:10 AM PDT
    you may not understand this but in a fight against multiple opponents you attack the loudmouth first. If you take him out quickly (as we did) the others will pause just long enough to let you plan their demise.
    Posted by freedomisnot


    in that case, consider yourself smacked "general".

    your evident profound understanding and talent for military matters would make you a prime candidate for service, or are you "retired", Sir?
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    by infidel_us May 1, 2007 9:15 AM PDT
    Why does anyone think the US will hve better luck?
    Posted by Rafterman1 at 09:02 AM : May 01, 2007

    Because the dynamic of having a government favorible to the US is in place there. It's not up and running on all cylinders yet, but it is in place. Once enough of their own get trained up, it could have a favorable impact.
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    by mudrose-2009 May 1, 2007 9:16 AM PDT
    you may not understand this but in a fight against multiple opponents you attack the loudmouth first. If you take him out quickly (as we did) the others will pause just long enough to let you plan their demise.
    Posted by freedomisnot

    This from a reader in the Wall Street Journal - "I believe the Democrats' defeatism is due, in some part, to political cowardice. Most revealing of (President Harry's - my emphasis) duplicity is his premature assertion that the surge is ineffective, when Gen. Petraeus stated from the outset that we won't know how effective the surge will be until later this year. Sen. Reid obviously never had any intention of giving the general and our armed forces a change to win in Iraq. Indeed, his dishonesty goes beyond partisanism: It is the root problem of this party's credibility and voters are taking notice." Those last four words say it all.
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    by notblue May 1, 2007 9:17 AM PDT
    It's dillusional to beleive that terrorists can be reasoned with diplomatically. Diplomacy is nothing more than a tool that bides them time to complete ther nefarious plans. They hate us because our freedom translates to a decadent sinful lifestyle that does not fit into there 6th century world according to Allh. Everyone blames the Palestinian situation as the fuel for terrorism. The palestinian people are some of the poorest most oppressed in the middle east while at the same time located in the middle of some of the richest countries in the world. Why don't there fellow Muslims who sit atop some of the worlds largest oil reserves help these people???? Why is it up to America to lift these people from the poverty and oppresion that have created the despair and lack of pride that drives these suicide bombers??? It's not the fault of the U.S., Bush, or Israel, it's the fault of there fellow Muslims.
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    by dallison7 May 1, 2007 9:25 AM PDT
    Because the dynamic of having a government favorible to the US is in place there. It's not up and running on all cylinders yet, but it is in place. Once enough of their own get trained up, it could have a favorable impact.
    Posted by Infidel_US


    YEP!!

    And just as soon as they get back from their TWO MONTH VACATION they're going to try to get one of those cylinders going... maybe.

    It is fantacy to think that 'if' this 'so-called' government ever gets up and running it will be favorable to the United States. More likely, they will turn themselves over to another dictator... who this time?? Al Sadr?
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    by zoltaric May 1, 2007 9:27 AM PDT
    The "terrorists" are developing sophisticated new weapons. That is interesting. Why don't we bomb their factories? Could it be because they are not manufactured in Iraq?

    Death to Islam.
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    by rhs648 May 1, 2007 9:28 AM PDT
    And the Iraqi's killed this guy themselves. They are to be congratulated.
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    by grumpas May 1, 2007 9:29 AM PDT
    Typical neocon insight from notblue on the Arab world. Simply regurgitate all the right wing venom you have been spoon fed for a decade and let it pass as fact! Don't bother looking any further than what the pundit's have told you! You might find something you don't like...humans! Oh! I forgot as far as the middle-east experts are concerned Arab's aren't human's! That's why they plunged headlong into a disasterous war that a bunch of rag tag freedom fighters are winning!
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    by rafterman1 May 1, 2007 9:29 AM PDT
    ===Because the dynamic of having a government favorible to the US is in place there. It's not up and running on all cylinders yet, but it is in place. Once enough of their own get trained up, it could have a favorable impact.===

    But this is exactly what the Soviets were saying in 1980 when they invaded Afghanistan. The Soviets were also propping up a favorable government in Afghanistan and though not running on all cylinders, they were hoping to train enough government troops to stabilize the country.

    Take it further, look at Yugoslavia. Tito was a secular dictator, keeping things in line. He dies and the country goes to h3ll with religious strife. A replay of that is now happening in Iraq.

    Again, I ask why the US will have more success? Because history has shown that this strategy will not work.
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    by patriotic9 May 1, 2007 9:30 AM PDT
    They hate us because our freedom translates to a decadent sinful lifestyle that does not fit into there 6th century world according to Allh
    Posted by notblue at 09:17 AM : May 01, 2007

    If you are right and they hate our freedom then why didn't they attack one of those European countries like Sweden where Homosexuals have right of marriage just like the Heterosexual couples(no discrimination on the basis of SEXUAL ORIENTATION which RADICAL ISLAMIST and RADICAL CHRISTIANS from USA believe),women are allowed to be topless is public just like men(no GENDER BASED DISCRIMINATION which RADICAL ISLAMIST and RADICAL CHRISTIAN in USA believe),women have the right to choose abortion(unlike ISLAMIC TALIBANS in AFGHANISTAN and CHRISTAIN TALIBANS in USA),etc.
    We were attacked because of those RADICAL CHRISTAIN ENEMIES of UNITED STATES who want to support the illegitimate and unjustified existance of ISRAEL on the world map on the cost of AMERICAN MONEY,AMERICAN LIVES and USA herself because AMERICANS are GOD-NEGLECTED and NON-AMERICAN EUROPEAN INVADERS IN PALESTINE are GOD-CHOSEN,USA is an UNHOLY LAND whereas occupied Palestinian territories like TEL AVIV is a HOLY LAND,US Constitution which separates church from state is UNHOLY whereas the ANTI-AMERICAN,RACIST and UNJUST BIBLE which discriminates against AMERICANS by not not promising them a single penny while promising NON-AMERICANS a land in the Middle east,is HOLY.
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    by gramto7 May 1, 2007 9:30 AM PDT
    It's not the fault of the U.S., Bush, or Israel, it's the fault of there fellow Muslims.
    Posted by notblue

    No, it is 100% the fault of Israel, and the USA for supporting Israel, for what the Palestinians are dealing with. Our tax dollars are funding Israel's abuse of the Palestian people.
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    by space_poet May 1, 2007 9:34 AM PDT
    The 'They hate us because of our freedom' is the biggest farce perpetrated.

    First off we have a war against an ideal, and they supposedly hate us because of our ideals, yea that's it. Actually I wish this was the case, then no one would be dying.

    Now this is just my opinion but I think they hate us for sticking our noses in their business. I'd knock someone over their head if they came into my house and started helping themselves to my stuff and with good reason. In this country we are allowed and expected to do that.

    The 'they hate us for our freedom' is a slogan for non-thinkers to embrace. Go ahead and try to define that. They hate us because we've ticked them off. And saying that all Muslims will kill us and our family is the real 'Emboldening' of the enemy.

    Muslim is an old religion, and like most religions exists for people to have faith in something higher, it is very powerful. Try understanding your enemy, then you might have an idea how to really defeat them, or learn to live with them like the rest of the world.
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    by rafterman1 May 1, 2007 9:35 AM PDT
    ===It's dillusional to beleive that terrorists can be reasoned with diplomatically. Diplomacy is nothing more than a tool that bides them time to complete ther nefarious plans.===

    And this is exactly what the terorists say about us. Anybody, even a terrorist, can be reasoned with if you are willing to give them something they want. The key is, is that "something" they want do-able in the frameworlk of your interests and security and such.

    Unfortunately, neither side is willing to do that or even look at the possibility of doing that. Both sides want 100% of their interests covered and as long as that is the case, we are doomed to geneations of war. Like I said, they can replace their dead fighters just as easily as we can. Maybe even more so since many of their people don't have much else to live for.

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    by mudrose-2009 May 1, 2007 9:37 AM PDT
    Again, I ask why the US will have more success? Because history has shown that this strategy will not work.

    Posted by Rafterman1

    Seems to me that if the death of this Abu Ayyub Al-Masri is confirmed and the fact that the Sunis claim to have killed him is true, then we are seeing a realization by a bitter insurgency that senseless killing by these manics is not the way to go and they are beginning to realize the U.S. is providing them with an opportunity to achieve stability within their own country. If Anbar province is becoming pacified by virture of the Shieks taking matters into their own hands and turning against Al-Qaeda, then what we are beginning to see that they are one step closer to unification - by and large not a big one, but one nonetheless. That's why the strategy can work. Al-Qaeda has no soul, no humanity -- or one drive, one desire - Islamofacism.
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