Giuliani Says Dems Put U.S. At Risk

Republican Front-Runner Warns Of New Terror Attacks If A Democrat Wins In '08

(The Politico)  By The Politico's Roger Simon.

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Rudy Giuliani said if a Democrat is elected president in 2008, America will be at risk for another terrorist attack on the scale of Sept. 11, 2001.

But if a Republican is elected, he said, especially if it is him, terrorist attacks can be anticipated and stopped.

“If any Republican is elected president — and I think obviously I would be the best at this — we will remain on offense and will anticipate what [the terrorists] will do and try to stop them before they do it,” Giuliani said.

The former New York City mayor, currently leading in all national polls for the Republican nomination for president, said Tuesday night that America would ultimately defeat terrorism no matter which party gains the White House.

“But the question is how long will it take and how many casualties will we have?” Giuliani said. “If we are on defense [with a Democratic president], we will have more losses and it will go on longer.”

“I listen a little to the Democrats and if one of them gets elected, we are going on defense,” Giuliani continued. “We will wave the white flag on Iraq. We will cut back on the Patriot Act, electronic surveillance, interrogation and we will be back to our pre-Sept. 11 attitude of defense.”

He added: “The Democrats do not understand the full nature and scope of the terrorist war against us.”

After his speech to the Rockingham County Lincoln Day Dinner, I asked him about his statements and Giuliani said flatly: “America will be safer with a Republican president.”

Giuliani, whose past positions on abortion, gun control and gay rights have made him anathema to some in his party, believes his tough stance on national defense and his post-Sept. 11 reputation as a fighter of terrorism will be his trump card with doubting Republicans.

“This war ends when they stop coming here to kill us!” Giuliani said in his speech. “Never, ever again will this country ever be on defense waiting for [terrorists] to attack us if I have anything to say about it. And make no mistake, the Democrats want to put us back on defense!”

Giuliani said terrorists “hate us and not because of anything bad we have done; it has nothing to do with Israel and Palestine. They hate us for the freedoms we have and the freedoms we want to share with the world.”

Giuliani continued: “The freedoms we have are in conflict with the perverted, maniacal interpretation of their religion.” He said Americans would fight for “freedom for women, the freedom of elections, freedom of religion and the freedom of our economy.”

Addressing the terrorists directly, Giuliani said: “We are not giving that up, and you are not going to take it from us!”

The crowd thundered its approval.

Giuliani also said that America had been naive about terrorism in the past and had missed obvious signals.

“They were at war with us before we realized it, going back to ’90s with all the Americans killed by the PLO and Hezbollah and Hamas,” he said. “They came here and killed us in 1993 [with the first attack on New York’s World Trade Center, in which six people died], and we didn’t get it. We didn’t get it that this was a war. Then Sept. 11, 2001, happened, and we got it.”

[realpatriot1]

jerryomara,

As I said in my post, I don't like it either when Christians proselytize to others because I think it's counterproductive.

My point was that most Christians don't do that. Don't assume that the loudest are the majority.
I understand that you're speaking out of frustration but when you call the Bible a fairy tale and say to stick the cross where the sun don't shine, understand that you're not just offending the would be missionaries. Not to say that you don't have a right to your opinion or your anger, I just ask for a little more tact next time,ok?

As far as singinrick, I went back and forth with him the other day about whether or not being gay is a sin within Christianity. He provided me with examples spoken by Moses and Paul and I countered that Christ never castigated homosexuals. I believe that God can be found in the Bible but I don't interpret every word spoken by everyone to be taken as literally without consideration of context as singinrick. However, I don't think it's a fairy tale.

You're right that a lot of Christians put themselves on pedestals and then don't walk the walk. I'm just saying, that's not an indictment on the entire faith, anymore than all Muslims are to blame for Bin Laden.

[realpatriot1]

jerryomara,

I'd like to be there for that split second when a cynic like you realizes that it is all worth it.

Most Christians don't push their religion down the throat of others and resent it being done as much as you do.

As someone who believes that The Bible has to be read and digested with critical thinking like all writing,spitual or otherwise, I have to take issue
with your view that it's a book of fairy tales.

I try to respect the views of everyone on matters of faith. If you are an athiest or agnostic, that's fine with me. I think you're in for a big surprise.

[crzyone01]

wow, just wow. First of all that is a very bold statement by Giuliani. I may not agree with him completely but I do believe a pull out of Iraq like the Dems want right now is possibly the worst thing that could happen.

Ok, and to those of you who say that the Iraqi people hate us, yo uhave absolutely no *** idea what you are talking about. I have served 3 deployments in Iraq in the Army and can account from first hand experience that the majority of people there are happy we are there. The ONLY people that truly to not want us there are the terrorists, and the severe minority of extremists we have removed from power(no *** they are pissed, they are no longer allowed to opress their own people). Now whether or not you agree for the reasons we started this war (even I know it had nothing to do with terrorists), this has been a good thing to take a step in the right direction of helping to stabilize that portion of the world.

And to you nutjob intelligent design folks who are saying that evolution is creating something from nothing, please go read a book found in the non-fiction section of the library regarding evolution.

[zombywolff]

I have a question, are the post here in response to the Giuliani news report? If so I do not see it.I will respond to the report. He sounds good, the issues he talks about have been around for a long, time. The issues we need to think long and hard about are so mix-up,mashed up and confused by the news and government(both sides) that knowing having a good grasp on things is tough. allot of people drift to there core beliefs as a safety net, again (heaven seekers and dirt lovers alike). I've talked to hard working Americans from the middle east, hey do you know what? extremists over there want to kill us. they want to for the reasons Giuliani speaks of. I see the Dems playing to the vote and a very confused populous. Giuliani I truly believe wants to keep us safe. thank you for reading.

[itwasntme000]

Of course I'd like to see Bin Laden captured and/or taken out, but you know what, there's always going to be another Bin Laden to step in and take his place as long as these radical Islamic jihadists continue to roam the land.
Posted by singinrick at 08:23 AM : Apr 26, 2007

The scary thing is that they have a whole new area of really pissed off people. People in iraq are pretty pissed at the US and will probably be wanting to join up with them.

[randalds]

Don't let them fool you singingrick, you're brighter than that.
Posted by mcdazz at 01:13 AM : Apr 26, 2007

No, no he isn't. He may have been bright at one time (he certainly acts like he had good intelligence once), but now he is blinded by his fanatical devotion to his religion and to the new Messiah of it, George W. Bush. I swear you can almost "hear" reverence when he talks about him. He's become caught up in the worst part of this war, the idea that it's a war of crusade to rid the world of all non-believers, starting with Muslims. His words say things like he just wants to talk to them about Jesus, but his attitude is that if they don't covert then they must be eliminated. I doubt if he even realizes how close to religious insanity he is. To him this REALLY is a New Crusade and Bush is leading it. That's not just wrong, that's genuinely scary.

singingrick wrote:

"We're fighting against all sorts of Islamic Jihadists here, not just Bin Laden. Should we just stop fighting all the other supporters of terrorism and search for just Bin Laden???"

Singingrick, are you saying that we shouldn't be making capturing the biggest terrorist out there our priority?

Do you not understand the importance of capturing Bin Laden?

Do you not understand the intelligence value alone that that would be worth?

Bin Laden was the mastermind behind the biggest terrorist attack on the US, plus a number of others and you don't think he should be our priority?

You have got to be joking.

I hope you do, because that would put you one up on that moron GW Bush.

singinrick wrote:

"GW Bush has made it priority to protect us from Islamic terrorist as a whole, not just Bin Laden.

We've captured and/or killed SEVERAL of Al Queda's top leaders and other Islamic terrorists."

1. Iraq did not have Islamic Terrorists prior to us invading.
2. Bush himself has stated that capturing Bin Laden, the mastermind behind 9/11, is not a priority.
3. Nearly 6 years after 9/11, Bin Laden has still not been indicted for his involvement in 9/11.
4. The Bush administration recently allowed a known terrorist to be freed.
5. The Bush administration, in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, tried to blame the event on Iraq, not Bin Laden, despite there proof to the contrary.

Yep, serious on terrorism.

Don't let them fool you singingrick, you're brighter than that.

[j-whitman]

singinrick,,
,, You've not looked... Our troops are a segment of our sociaty, many there can't see the light through the tunnel --
- Most will tell you Iraq has no hope,, They all want us to keep fighting for them at home & that includes a vast majority who want to fight in a country that wants them...
- They also are demanding we lower our flag to half mast to honor thier brothers.

[dembonez]

That is all biased and written by deeply religious people who hand pick things that can possibly prove their belief while ignoring others. This research is also not subject to peer review, why? because it would not stand up to the test. That is why very few articles and research by Strobel do not show up in reputable science publications.

It is the same thing as getting all your news from Rush Limbagh or Al Franken. You wanted the plain facts slanted to match your point of view.

And that is the kicker, science has nothing to do with religion, and should be kept as such. Science is not out to destroy religion, religion feels threatened by science because they end up sharing some common ground by chance and the two sides are as different as north and south.

But like everything else some people will try to use science to debunk religion. That does not work either since religion is unburdened by the need for proof, you cannot disprove the unprovable.

But, I am not trying to persuade you to believe me. You believe what you believe. As long as you keep religion out of science there is no problem. Teach kids at home or at church if people want them to learn a religious world view, thats where it belongs.

[j-whitman]

singinrick,,, Before I go, one last thought to look at please --
-- Bush & Cheney are still yelling "Democrats this, Democrats that" "Democrats will do this, Democrats will bring more attacks" "Democrats are un-patriotic" ---- If they aren't still dividing our nation than just who is ????

singingrick wrote:

"I think it's great the Guilliani wants to continue to protect this country and it's citizens from Islamic terrorists. It should be the president's number one priority to look out for the safety of his citizens."

Guiliani only wants to protect his chance at becoming a President.

Like any politician, he will say whatever he thinks you want to hear so that he has that chance.

Like it or not, he is bullsh*ting you and me.

Yes, I agree that it should be the Presidents number one priority to look out for the safety of his (or her) citizens.

It's a shame that GW Bush hasn't taken this on board and made searching for Bin Laden his priority.

[dembonez]

Intelligent design says that we are so complicated that we must have had a designer. This brings up the problem that our designer must to be complex. So, who created the creator? And who created the creator's creator...it is infinite regression. And if you believe that no one created the creator than is that not the same thing as believing the big bang was the beginning of all things, since you said it takes more faith to believe in that than a creator.

And it is easy to ask the question what will atheists, evolutionists etc. believe when they are finally proven wrong. It is easy because you never have any burden of proof for your argument. Again, it is only a belief that we will be proven wrong. It is also easy because you can say "Well, we thought it would happen now, but it did not, that means it still will happen, we just got the when wrong" into infinity, so you are always right without anything actually ever happening to prove you right.

Anyway, This thread has been hijacked enough and I have to go to work in the morning.

As to the story this is nothing more than Rudy pandering to the far right. The only problem is if he won they would expect him to carry out his promises he made to get their vote, so it is just as bad as if he actually believed what he said.

[j-whitman]

singinrick --- You haven't been paying attention for the last 6 years, you're too narrowly focused --- We are the DIVIDED states of America... More so than ever before

singinrick wrote:

"Thank you for ignoring the post of mine where I said if a Muslim approached me I would tell him that Jesus loves him.

You can accuse me of being hateful all you want, but you know as well as I do that I was talking about these terrorist Jihadist Muslims, and not all Muslims in general.

It isn't my fault that you are only reading part of my posts and using it as a tricky method of trying to make me out to look like the hateful one here.

Loving your enemies doesn't mean saying "Go ahead, kill us all, and kill our innocent citizens. We don't care. Attack us".

By this ridiculous philosophy mcdazz we might as well not even have a military."

Firstly singingrick, I didn't ignore your post. I did however take it on face value - if you said you would, then I believed you.

I was however, referring to your numerous posts on the CBS website where you have inferred that all muslims are evil (whether that was your point or not).

And as I've pointed out a number of times, while your intention might be semi-honorable, it can easily be perceived to be inciting hatred.

I take exception to the fact that you claim that my philosophy is "Go ahead, kill us all, and kill our innocent citizens. We don't care. Attack us".

That is absolute absurdity on your behalf and makes you look like an idiot.

[randalds]

Good night all,,,,, Singinrick -- The Truth Will Set You Free
Posted by j-whitman at 12:29 AM : Apr 26, 2007

Goodnight to you J. I think I'll leave ricky to mumble prayers to his ceiling tiles and check out other parts of the blog. It's just getting too depressing watching him flail around like this. Sort of like an earthworm on a hot sidewalk. Have a good one man.

[randalds]

He's actually getting rather sad to watch as he grasps at straws by condemning evolution. Scientist after scientist worldwide have confirmed, through indisputable evidence and re-creatable experimentation, not through "faith" that evolution is how mankind came to be on this planet and that it took life hundreds of millions of years to happen, yet he desperately clings to a fairy tale that is only "true" because his book says so. Maybe we should stop beating up on him. I'm actually beginning to feel sorry for the fool he's making himself out to be.

[j-whitman]

Good night all,,,,, Singinrick -- The Truth Will Set You Free

[j-whitman]

Singinrick,,,, Funny,,,, "Don't expect me to just roll over and die and not stand up for what I believe in just because you want me to." --
- Yet Bush & you people insist we roll over & die just because you want us to...
. Your people even stoop to calling Americans un-American & un-patriotic... That's not democracy, It's what Hitler did & every dictator in history.

[randalds]

I completely agree with that assessment Randal. It can be carried past this thread as well. People who fault Muslims for 9/11 but when it comes to their own religion's misdeeds it does not matter because they can just label that person a non-true-whatever religion we are talking about.

200% accurate, that is quite a feat :)

Posted by dembonez at 12:09 AM : Apr 26, 2007

LOL! I thought that was sort of amazing myself. Still it's like his claim that the bible is historically accurate which is of course ridiculous. In order to believe that you'd have to believe that the world was created in 6 days and you'd have to forget about all of those fossils. Unless "god" buried them all here just to scre*w with our heads. lol!