George Tenet: At The Center Of The Storm

Former CIA Director Breaks His Silence

(CBS)  But the CIA had something else in mind. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and others were swept up in the "high value detainee" program. Secret prisons were set up, and several suspects were questioned under new, so-called "enhanced interrogation techniques," said to include sleep deprivation, extreme cold and water boarding, which causes a severe gag reflex, as water is continuously poured over the face.

"The image that's been portrayed is, we sat around the campfire and said, 'Oh, boy, now we go get to torture people.' Well, we don't torture people. Let me say that again to you. We don't torture people. Okay?" Tenet says.

"Come on, George," Pelley says.

"We don't torture people," Tenet maintains.

"Khalid Sheikh Mohammad?" Pelley asks.

"We don't torture people," Tenet says.

"Water boarding?" Pelley asks.

"We do not – I don't talk about techniques," Tenet replies.

"It's torture," Pelley says.

"And we don't torture people. Now, listen to me. Now, listen to me. I want you to listen to me," Tenet says. "The context is it's post-9/11. I've got reports of nuclear weapons in New York City, apartment buildings that are gonna be blown up, planes that are gonna fly into airports all over again. Plot lines that I don't know – I don't know what's going on inside the United States. And I'm struggling to find out where the next disaster is going to occur. Everybody forgets one central context of what we lived through. The palpable fear that we felt on the basis of the fact that there was so much we did not know."

"I know that this program has saved lives. I know we've disrupted plots," Tenet says.

"But what you're essentially saying is some people need to be tortured," Pelley remarks.

"No, I did not say that. I did not say that," Tenet says.

"You're telling me that… the enhanced interrogation…" Pelley says.

"I did not say that. I did not say that. We do not tor…. Listen to me. You’re, you're making…," Tenet says.

"You call it in the book, 'enhanced interrogation,'" Pelley remarks.

"…an assumption. Well, that's what we call it," Tenet says.

"And that's a euphemism," Pelley says.

"I'm not having a semantic debate with you. I'm telling you what I believe," Tenet says.

Asked if anyone ever died in the interrogation program, Tenet says, "No."

Asked if he's sure of that, the former director tells Pelley, "Yeah. In this program that you and I are talking about? No."

"Have you ever seen any of these interrogations done?" Pelley asks.

"No," Tenet replies.

"Didn’t you feel like it was your responsibility to know what's going on?" Pelley asks.

"I understood. I'm not a voyeur. I understand what I was signing off on," Tenet says.

Asked if he lost any sleep over it, Tenet tells Pelley, "Yeah, of course you do! Of course you lose sleep over it. You're on new territory. But that's not the point! What’s this tension? The tension is, 'I've just lived through 3,000 people dying. This is not a clinical exercise.' Maybe for you guys it's a clinical exercise. Not for me! 3,000 people died. Friends died. Now I'm gonna sit back, and then everybody says, 'You idiots don’t know how to connect the dots. You don’t have imagination. You were unwilling to take risk to protect this country,'" Tenet says.

"Let me ask the question this way: why were enhanced interrogation techniques necessary?" Pelley asks.

"'Cause these are people that will never, ever, ever tell you a thing. These are people who know who’s responsible for the next terrorist attack. These are hardened people that would kill you and me 30 seconds after they got out of wherever they were being held and wouldn’t blink an eyelash," Tenet says. "You can sit there after, you can sit there five years later, and have this debate with me, all I'm asking you to do, walk a mile in my shoes when I'm dealing with these realities."

Tenet says the interrogations uncovered networks and broke up plots in the U.S.

[rocketguy2]

I agree with Tenet. War is hell. Loosely and politely paraphrasing General Patton, "You don't win wars by dying for your country. You win wars by making the other guy die for his country or cause."

'The High Value Detainee program uses "enhanced" techniques said to include...water boarding, in which suspects reportedly are restrained as a steady stream of water is poured over their faces, causing a severe gag reflex and a terrifying fear of drowning...
"We don't torture people," he says.'

Does anyone remember when it was the Soviet Union who used the "Big Lie"?

[searingtruth]

Mirror

My friends, sometimes the most difficult thing about fighting evil is realizing that it actually exists, and then unambiguously and forcefully calling it what it is.

History shows time and time again that one of evils greatest strengths is its ability to disguise itself as good, or at least a temporary necessity, until that last fatal moment when its revelation becomes clear, indisputable, and inescapable.

So today let us take a clear and unadulterated look into the mirror at ourselves.

Just six years ago we were one of the most respected and admired defenders of democracy and human rights in history. Respected not only by our friends, but even begrudgingly by most of our enemies. In fact, even the fantastic power of our military paled in comparison to the overwhelming might of our moral authority.

Today we are a nation that operates secret prisons occupied by anonymous inmates, illegally abducted and held indefinitely without charge or representation. We are guilty of torture. We are guilty of murder. We are guilty of preemptive war of conquest. We are guilty of the wholesale surveillance of our population, suppressing all hope of privacy and free dissent. And we are guilty of disgracing our nation through the abandonment of even our most basic precepts of morality.

If this is not evil, then nothing we have ever fought against is evil, and nothing we have ever fought for is good.

Excerpt from A Future of the Brave


A Future of the Brave - www.searingtruth.com

[freespeech3]

We have become the bad guy.

[kansas1946]

This administration is evil. Water boarding is torture and for an American president to condone torture as policy makes me sick to my stomach. Tenet can blather on all he wants about saving lives, but I think Bush's favorite philosopher might disagree...
"What profit it a man to gain the whole world if he loseth his own soul." JC
This administration is evil.

[sandy19731]

Psychological research has shown that people will say almost anything to avoid pain. There aren't too many Rambos out there.

I would confess to subversive activity if you water board me. So would you.

Actually bribery works better, but it's not foolproof either.

[robindallas-2009]

Tenet can say, "believe me" or "trust me" about how this new render and torture system has thwarted attacks and saved lives, but we must remember that George Tenet is the one who said that it was a "SLAM DUNK" that Saddam had WMDs. It appears that Tenet still serves the administration, and himself by saying that the torture and render program has worked. Of course we can't be shown any real evidence of this. He is in fact a party to the trumped up, embellished and even falsified evidence used to get America into a disastrous illegal invasion and occupation of the sovereign country of Iraq. Come to think of it, why is he not being investigated? Maybe because he is a loyal Bushie.

[bellal-2009]

...the program saved lives and allowed the government to foil terror plots."

Well, that's good enough for me. I really don't care about a terrorists rights if it's saving innocent lives. I really don't.

[djconklin]

"Well, that's good enough for me. I really don't care about a terrorists rights if it's saving innocent lives. I really don't."

I don't care ab't terrorists either; but, when they define you as a terrorist I won't be sitting on the sideline yelling "Go for it!"

[bellal-2009]

djconklin, That's not going to happen. It's not like there's absolutely no accountability. These are highly trained professionals. Do you trust anyone?

[fredgrad2000]

ROBinDALLAS -

Tenet was a CLINTON appointee!!!!!! He may have gotten slam dunk wrong, but to say its because he's allied to Bush is idiotic - he owed his career to Bill Clinton (who coincidentally, in one person who has NEVER said George Bush lied or cooked the books on the Iraq intelligence, and he has it all).

[bm6005]

.the program saved lives and allowed the government to foil terror plots."

Well, that's good enough for me. I really don't care about a terrorists rights if it's saving innocent lives. I really don't.
Posted by bellaL

You're certainly easy to convince. Kind of like accept it like religious faith. Wow what a critical thinker!!

[bm6005]

These are highly trained professionals. Do you trust anyone?
Posted by bellaL

Wow, does "gullible" come to mind? What about the FBI intel that was found to be inappropriate and illegal recently? God you remind me of Americans of the 30's-40's, trust the gov't! I love my country, I fear my gov't. Especially with Bush II.

[robindallas-2009]

Excuse me, Fredgrad, but Tenet's actions now, by claiming the render and torture program works serves both him and Bush. His "slam dunk" statement was provided to help create the fear momentum necessary to hoodwink us into the illegal invasion and occupation of the sovereign country of Iraq. Now there are over 3300 dead American soldiers and over 650,000 dead Iraqis.

Remember that the initial intelligence report on Iraq given to Bush was rejected as "not good enough" by Bush. Tenet then went back and returned with the "slam dunk" statement. Slam dunk sure played out nicely as a benchmark propaganda talking point. Those two words coming from the chief of the CIA..that's powerful stuff. I would say that Tenet's actions since Bush has taken the office proves beyond a doubt that he is now an official loyal Bushie.

Put down the Kool-Aid and come to your senses.

ROBinDALLAS

[feelfree1]

Re: "Ex-CIA Director George Tenet says the intelligence extracted from terror suspects in the agency's "High Value Detainee" program, which includes so-called "enhanced interrogation techniques,"

Men like Tenet have deeply disgraced himself and our country, by thumbing his nose at our Constitution and the rule of law. His apologist efforts on behalf of State kidnapping and murder are despicable.

The CIA is little more than a U.S. tax funded terrorist organization, and the enforcemnt arm of mutli-national corporate greed.

Tenet was a top-level terror agent, no better than your average mobster. History will not look kindly on him. I look forward to George Tenet on the receiving end of the gavel.

It%u2019s a %u201Cslam-dunk%u201D.

[bellal-2009]

These are people who know who's responsible for the next terrorist attack %u2026 [who] wouldn't blink an eyelash about killing you, your family, me and my family and everybody in this town."



Reality check.

[spredbury]

Tenet is just another of Bush's trolls. Tenet is just like Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, Hadley, Gonzales, and so many more within Bush's kindom who have violated the honor of the American people and the honor of this great country. These people will say and do anything to cover up the evil they have done and continue do to our country on a daily basis.It was said by someone else earlier in these comments.... "I love my country buy I fear my Government". America is great and I love my country very much but our Government is criminal and our leaders are criminals. All you Bush lovers ask yourself. How many innocent people have been or are being held in one of Bush's prisons? How many innocent people have been or are being tortured? If you can say they are all guilty, then kill them all and close down the prisons. But if just one of these indiviuals is innocent.....what does that say about us? What does that say about you? What does that say about what Bush has done to American?

[nrobertson36]

This guy is a joke. The medal he has around his neck given by Bush must be depriving his brain from oxygen. No he can't sleep at night for the sins he commited.

[booyaw_77]

A good movie to watch about this stuff is a movie called Extremities. Weapons of mass destruction? Terrorism? Hijacking airplanes? You can only fight evil with evil.

[booyaw_77]

Thats why nobody likes a good cop.

[firststate]

Reagan said, "Trust, but Verify." They say that what they're doing isn't torture, but they refuse verification. They won't describe these "enhanced interrogation" techniques. They won't even say what would constitute torture.

Tenet is Clinton's fault, but the warmth with which DickNBush embraced him speaks volumes. He helped choreograph their war dance. They offer Bushshit, "this has saved lives, trust us." Unfortunately, this administration has done nothing to inspire trust. The evidence against their trustworthiness continues to amass. They, themselves have provided the proof that they simply CAN'T be trusted.

They don't say how many people they've questioned with these methods or how many of those didn't have the information to give them, no matter how enhanced the interrogation became. Torture is ineffective; people say whatever they think the questioner wants to hear, but these guys won't address why their "non-torture," but enhanced techniques don't yield similar results. If the methods were applied to questioning one of their parents or children, would it be torture, then? That's silly, their family aren't the "kind" of people questioned.

Whenever one of these slime-balls says, "we don't use torture," it's "enhanced interrogation," a wink and a nod like the one after a racist says that he'd never, ever discriminate, should punctuate that statement. Nobody believes it, but that's their story and they're sticking to it.

[gminetos]

Tenet was CIA director for 7 years, across two administrations. It was HIS job, HIS responsibility to KNOW of and COUNTER the threats to our nation's security. He failed miserably and should've been FIRED instead of receiving a distinguished service medal. How can a CIA director worth his salt ever utter these words: "...the palpable fear ... that there was so much we did not know." Again, it was HIS job as DCI over the ENTIRE intelligence community and its resources TO KNOW and to warn us. He failed us all and he should live out the rest of his miserable life in utter shame and disgrace.

[johnshaft4]

Lets apply "enhanced interrogation techniques" on Tenet, Wolfowitz, Perle, Ledeen, Feith, Eliot Abrams, Wurmser, Kristol, (the whole Jew cabal) etc. to see if WE can finally extract the truth out of these PNAC, AEI, AIPAC Zionist traitors.
Maybe, WE WILL save lives and treasure down the road if we GIVE nukes to Iran.
See: NoWarForIsraelDOTcom

[harp1963]

Let's apply "enhanced interrogation" techniques to the Bush Administration cronies and see if Paul O'Neill is telling the truth, which I have always believed he was.

I worked in the Aluminum Industry for 12 years and read many industry journal articles about Paul O'Neill. If Paul says Bush is a liar, then you can bet the farm, Bush is a liar.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/main592330.shtml

[toldyouso21]

By any definition except Bush and the neocons--this is torture. People think torture is pulling a persons fingernails out or pressing them between spiked wheels...it is not, it is any technique (psychological or otherwise) which would cause any normal individual extreme mental, emotional or physical duress. For those who want to poke fun at that definition consider that both the Japanese and Korea were charged with war crimes for using a water boarding technique in previous wars and during the Nuremberg trials--Germans were charged with using extreme temperatures and sleep deprivation.

Looks like we got a lot of our techniques from the known play books of torture it's just that our DOUBLE STANDARD SAYS it is evil, wrong and bad when it is done to us--but justified when we do it. We would do better to admit that yes, we do torture and there is nothing anyone can do about it--instead of playing word games that are obvious LIES.

[toldyouso21]

I voted for this moron, now i wish i could vote to impeach him
Posted by bigjayny82 at 05:48 PM : Apr 25, 2007


You believe lives were saved because the same group that has consistently lied since day one says so? The philosophers are right..YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID.

[toldyouso21]

CORRECTION:

I voted for this moron, now i wish i could vote to impeach him
Posted by bigjayny82 at 05:48 PM : Apr 25, 2007


You believe lives were saved because the same group that has consistently lied since day one says so? The philosophers are right..YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID.
Posted by toldyouso21 at 08:31 AM : Apr 26, 2007

SORRY POSTED TO THE WRONG PERSON:

the program saved lives and allowed the government to foil terror plots."

Well, that's good enough for me. I really don't care about a terrorists rights if it's saving innocent lives. I really don't.
Posted by bellaL at 08:25 PM : Apr 25, 2007

You believe lives were saved because the same group that has consistently lied since day one says so? The philosophers are right..YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID.
Posted by toldyouso21 at 08:31 AM : Apr 26, 2007

[book54552134]

Because this wicked group of people in the Bush Administration have been so dishonest with the public regarding issues such as torture of prisoners, it would be very unwise to believe anything they say about much of anything.

Tenet along with Rummy, Darth Cheney, & Dubya should be investigated for their collusion in the initiation of war crimes.

[briannorwood]

Look, I'm not so naive as not to understand that our government sometimes does some questionable things in the name of the better good.

My problem is that I always trusted that America had the moral authority to do them.

Sadly, this administration has squandered our reputation throughout the world such that we no longer can even pretend to stand on the moral high ground.

This is the price we pay for a messianistic president who can only see the world through his us-or-them prism.

[bobnjersey]

[Tenet was CIA director for 7 years, across two administrations. It was HIS job, HIS responsibility to KNOW of and COUNTER the threats to our nation's security.]

although he ultimately deserves the responsibility for the cia's failures ... he did 'ring the bell' in the summer of 2001 w/ cofer black in an emergency meeting w/ the nsa director ms. rice.

although she gave them the time in the meeting ... and despite their concern and urgency that something big was about to occur ... she did nothing.

recall that in august of 2001 there was a pdb that all but told them when and where it was going to occur ... and they did nothing ... absolutely nothing.

[grumpas]

I would imagine he does defend his methods! Every Nazi who was hung defended their methods to the death too! So, that doesn't wash out the stain this administration will leave on our nation!

[justus3llp]

In contrast to the millions of us who are currently surrounded by the normality of our everyday lives, there are very few men and women who have chosen to fight the fight on our behalf. They are fighting those with a vicious hatred for freedom and for any country that represents it. Or have we forgotten?

How can we be so quick to judge what means are necessary to ensure our freedom? How can you know that given the same information and circumstances, you wouldn't do the very thing you say you oppose? Do you really think we are privy to enough information to pass judgment? It must have been very frustrating for Tenet to sit through an interview and answer questions, only able to divulge 2% of the information he has... and this, because he cannot in good conscience shatter the pseudo-reality that we Americans have conjured in our own minds of a safe and terrorist-free Nation. What if Tenet had told us that there were six separate nuclear weapons scares on our very own soil just last year? %u2026 and that because of these %u201Ctactics%u201D you so loudly oppose, you were spared from death, along with millions of others in your city? We don%u2019t know and that is my point. If we were told everything, it would undermine the very freedom our leaders fight to preserve. I hope that Tenet and those under him continue to do what is necessary to keep us safe, despite your negative endorsements.

[sculler1956]

"A good movie to watch about this stuff is a movie called Extremities. Weapons of mass destruction? Terrorism? Hijacking airplanes? You can only fight evil with evil.
Posted by booyaw_77 at 11:22 PM : Apr 25, 2007"

I'm guessing that you are not one of the 93% of Americans who call themselves 'Christian'? We can't biuld anything if we are willing to resort to the tactics of barbarism... isn't that why we claim the 'terrorists' are so bad? It isn't a slippery slope here. Doing bad this really does make you a bad person! Who would Jesus bomb?... I'm not a christian, but having been raised Catholic, know that he ALLOWED his persecutors to cruxify him! Are actions do have consequences!

[booyaw_77]

"I'm not a christian, but having been raised Catholic, know that he ALLOWED his persecutors to cruxify him! Are actions do have consequences!"

All true. But its wrong to assume that attacking the vatican ain't gonna git ya back the devil. Thats a weakness of your's, and not their's.

There's real life, and then there's hollywood.

[booyaw_77]

Torture is.. *big gore sigh*. Torture is sometimes the only way to find things out. In a sense, religious extremism is the ultimate of fraternities. They've hazed, and they've been brain washed, and there ain't noth'n you can do or say having never even met them before, thats going to convince them you're not evil. So ya gotta pull out their fingernails.

[imprisonbush]

Around the world, because of men and women like Tenet, Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, Rice and Gonzales, America has lost its reputation for fairness and due process. Thus, when Bush or any of these Bushies criticizes the use of torture, kidnapping, or illegal incarceration by North Korea, China, Iran, Iraq, or whomever, who among us does not scoff now and mutter the word: hypocrite? Only a loyal, mindless Bushie does not. That dwindling group of Bush supporters makes up an extremely tiny portion of the world's population and contains only the most ignorant and ill-informed Americans. This is very, very sad.

[booyaw_77]

I understand what yer saying about Jesus and Mohammad and all that. How can you teach something being the devil's advocate? And I suppose if all those war time extremists walked into a town fulla Amish they'd scratch their heads and change their minds.. saying: "Geez.. I was wrong. These people aren't evil. I'm going back home!" But ya know, we buttfukkkk fer america's protections. We do it fer you guyz. So.. ya should be proud.

[booyaw_77]

The real question you people should be ask'n is: What are people like me gonna do when we retire?

[bobnjersey]

[And I suppose if all those war time extremists walked into a town fulla Amish they'd scratch their heads and change their minds.. saying: "Geez.. I was wrong. These people aren't evil. I'm going back home!" But ya know, we buttfukkkk fer america's protections. We do it fer you guyz. So.. ya should be proud. ]

i would assume that this is all crystal clear in YOUR head.

[starleo146]

TENENT: AND WE ARE SUPPOSE TO BELIEVE HIM I CAN STILL SEE HIM BEHIND COLIN POWELL at U.N. who can believe him. I'm going to watch 60 minutes but my expectations are zero.

[starleo146]

All you" Christians"? who support this war may I ask is there a saying in the bible "Blessed are the peacemackers?" Also Judge not lest ye be judged. I suggest you go to church with all your morale folks and watch the good Lord take over he does not need a bunch of hypocrites "Ted Haggard" etc. And all of you "Christians" telling us sinners what to do.What we are trying to do is point out this Gov. lied to further there own agenda and forgot they were all suppose to govern the American people and you all "Christian" fell right into there trap. Yes pray, Pray hard for God to forgive all of you.

[booyaw_77]

"i would assume that this is all crystal clear in YOUR head."

Of course! I go to the movies, ya know. This sorta thing happens all the time. People say "Abu Ghraib" not knowing, nor even caring its your average american prison.

What people who say that this stuff is wrong gotta figure is that war is the time when diplomacy failed. And not when it succeeded. War is war.. not some "PG rating". Its ugly? And its homosexual.

[bobnjersey]

[Of course! I go to the movies, ya know. This sorta thing happens all the time.]

in the movies ... or for real?

or is it all just one big movie?

[nimbyme]

Well, another official who does not take responsobility for what really happened. Why say "slam dunk" at such an important meeting. What a flipped response. Lets face it, this guy was asleep at the switch and because of him and others like him we were drastically hit on 9/11. Tenet and the so called "Terrosirm Czar", Clarke, like to say is somebody elses fault. Guess what, it was your fault. The president would not have been in the position or in the situation to have to consider an invasion of Irag had 9/11 not occurred. Mr. Tenet's malfeasance created risks and uncertainty that left the President but with only one choice. The connection between 9/11 and Iraq has always been about uncertainty. Before 9/11 uncertainty was tolerated. After 9/11 uncertainty had to be confronted because not to do so leads to death and economic nightmare. While no direct connection I sleep better at night knowing that one less uncertainty exists.
America needs to ask Mr. tenet for salary back for failing to act when our touche was on the line. Way to go, now take your money and go away.

[nimbyme]

Well, another official who does not take responsobility for what really happened. Why say "slam dunk" at such an important meeting. What a flipped response. Lets face it, this guy was asleep at the switch and because of him and others like him we were drastically hit on 9/11. Tenet and the so called "Terrosirm Czar", Clarke, like to say is somebody elses fault. Guess what, it was your fault. The president would not have been in the position or in the situation to have to consider an invasion of Irag had 9/11 not occurred. Mr. Tenet's malfeasance created risks and uncertainty that left the President but with only one choice. The connection between 9/11 and Iraq has always been about uncertainty. Before 9/11 uncertainty was tolerated. After 9/11 uncertainty had to be confronted because not to do so leads to death and economic nightmare. While no direct connection, I sleep better at night knowing that one less uncertainty exists.
America needs to ask Mr. Tenet for his salary back for failing to act when our b**** were on the line. Way to go Mr. Tenet, now take your money and go away.

[jegibbons]

If these same absurd leftist critics were there vocalizing their self-deluded suspicions of General Washington he would never have been believed in explaining the plight of his troops at Valley Forge.
I would ask whose side is the left on in this war, anyway? The likes of Rosie O'Donnell have made it painfully clear they support the islamo-fascists. Maybe it was the CIA that flew those planes into the WTC? The CIA is at fault for not knowing and then again, at fault for knowing all. Which is it, you Leftist Wackos?

[clestes-2009]

"The leak effectively made him a scapegoat for the invasion and ended his career."

Oh pleeeze! Why is he whining about being made a scapegoat?? He knew perfectly well that Saddam had no WMD. And to continue to say he did, long after other members of the CIA have said, for years, that the CIA knew Saddam was a toothless tiger, is just plain stupid.

If Tenet truly believes that Saddam had WMD, he is the only CIA person who did!!! For years the CIA has admitted that they knew Saddam had no WMD.

Geo Tenet was bought by Cheney. When no weapons were found and the war started going badly, someone had to come forth and say "We knew Saddam had WMD", and that someone was Tenet. Cheney bought him with a Medal of Freedom and retirement.

What a miserable piece of *** he is. Just like all the other neocons, he is turning on the whitehouse.

What a pathetic spectable the Bush presidency is.

[pakaal]

Maybe it was the CIA that flew those planes into the WTC? The CIA is at fault for not knowing and then again, at fault for knowing all. Which is it, you Leftist Wackos?
Posted by JEGibbons

Maybe it's Satan trying to infiltrate up through Mexico like the Rightist wackos tell us? If you want to talk extreme, JEGibbons, how about the extreme Right, who talk about burning all Arabs and eating the bodies, or "nuking all those savages"?

You may be under the impression that all "Lefties" are wacko, but seriously, both extremes are REALLY extreme, not just one side.

[vastr-wcon]

"At the end of the day, the only thing you have... is your reputation built on trust and your personal honor and when you don't have that anymore, well, there you go," George Tenet tells Scott Pelley on CBS 60 Minutes.

Words for Wolfowitz, Gonzales, Rove, Rice, Bush, and Cheney to consider very seriously.

[sammy5504]

was the CIA that flew those planes into the WTC? The CIA is at fault for not knowing and then again, at fault for knowing all. Which is it, you Leftist Wackos?
JEGibbons, tow which war are you referring? WWI, WWII, Vietnam?

You surely are not referring to the illegal invasion of Iraq, which had nothing to do with 911, where hundreds of thousands of Iraqs have been killed, a country destroyed, 3,335 American soldiers killed and by official count, but probably untrue, 24,764 soldiers have been maimed for life.