August 23, 2010 12:55 PM

Guns And Abortions

By
Lloyd de Vries
(CBS)  This column was written by CBSNews.com's Dick Meyer.



Two big arguments were enflamed this week, both old and both unending.

The slaughter at Virginia Tech rekindles an argument about controlling firearms. The decision by the Supreme Court to uphold a Congressional ban on what that law calls partial-birth abortion will fire up the debate about controlling female bodies and fetuses. These are not resolvable arguments in our society. Resolution requires some common ground, a shared moral vocabulary, values that can be weighed on the same scale. We don't have that.

The vehemence of the gun control and abortion arguments in America is extraordinary. That vehemence — the volume and intensity of hostilities — will get worse, temporarily, in the wake of an extraordinary cruel and sick crime and in the wake of a landmark Supreme Court decision. Gun rights advocates will feel threatened; abortion rights advocates will feel threatened.

But it is important, to my mind at least, to recognize that as frustrating and ceaseless as these debates are, they are not skirmishes in a culture war and they are not signs of a polarized polity acting out. That is how the dominant narrative of our politics describes our politics, our redness and our blueness. It is narrative that contributes to the belligerence and recalcitrance of our obnoxious style of political argument.

The culture war model is too superficial. We are way more complicated than that. And way more confused. We aren't polarized, we are pluralized.

That pluralism runs deeper than diversity, than being a country with lots of creeds and colors. It is a pluralism of values and moralities, of competing and colliding ethical worldviews. There aren't just two, red and blue. We Americans, above all, it seems, are consumers — pickers and choosers. Our beliefs aren't exempt from that. One can be red on gun control and blue on abortion; many are.

Some issues are vehemence-magnets. Abortion and guns are at the top of the list.

The common language we have for sorting out this cacophony of interests is Constitutional law. It works well in the big picture. These big disputes are weighed and carefully balanced, all sides are heard from, the process is fair and transparent and the system is stable. But from a different angle, legal arguments don't settle or even calm our arguments. They can't.

Indeed, rights talk hardens positions for most people. An argument about the Second Amendment will get hotter faster than an argument about the practicality of gun laws. An argument about a Constitutional right to privacy calcifies in the same way. On some level, gun rights advocates are from Mars and gun control advocates are from Venus. Abortion rights advocates are from Saturn and anti-abortion rights people are from Jupiter. Our view of rights does not exist in the Platonic vacuum of constitutional law.

This is apparent in the Supreme Court opinions on this abortion ruling. Justice Kennedy, in upholding the ban on this abortion procedure, said the ruling shows that "respect for human life finds an ultimate expression in the bond of love the mother has for her child." In her dissent, Justice Ginsburg wrote that "this way of thinking reflects ancient notions of women's place in the family and under the Constitution — ideas that have since been discredited." Worldviews collide.

The gun control debate will simmer down soon. One of the ways the political culture digests atrocities like Virginia Tech is to rehash the gun fight. It has an aspect of ritual to it.

The abortion debate, on the other hand, will stay hot — perhaps hotter than at any point since Roe v. Wade. Despite that heat, it is important to note that the legal debate argument will likely never end for good. And few political arguments will be settled and reconciled.

My advice is to listen least to the loudest.



Dick Meyer is the editorial director of CBSNews.com, based in Washington.

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By Dick Meyer

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by hermit22 April 22, 2007 7:08 AM EDT
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survived a saline abortion in the womb.

now she speaks to the world and she sings too.

she's gorgeous. gifted. www.giannajessen.com
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by hermit22 April 22, 2007 6:28 AM EDT
Meyer's advice "listen least to the loudest" is one of the dumbest things i've EVER read.

the house is burning down! make sure you "whisper". duh!
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by michellem99-2009 April 22, 2007 3:04 AM EDT
It is sad a newborn alive is thrown away after birth. The Mum can now take the newborn to a hospital,fire house ,cops few hours after birth.I know the young girl in most likely is scared. It is better to do than let the poor helpness child die. Many children are abused so it is better to give them up .It is best to fix people who abuse,can't care for themsevles from bearing children.This is not cold but thinking of others so they don't have to go thru abortion.
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by kaiyo4u April 22, 2007 1:25 AM EDT
MichelleM99:
I am sorry that you had to bear such things in your life... I wish you peace.
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by michellem99-2009 April 21, 2007 11:25 PM EDT
I am old now. When I was young,homeless,with health issues,born blind and multi disabled, poor.dumped as a child on the state,a baby is the last thing to worry about when moved out of a blind centre. 1.Give it up at birth if she lived,2 put it in foster care,3 Abort.A woman does do alot thinking and talking to the right people who know her case and it is not entered into lightly. The Mum would forever wonder about the baby given up or taken from her at birth. A woman too sick to carry a child for health reasons should not.The fact is some unbonrs are aborted. I am sorry but it happens. Yes it hurts. For years it does.
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by kaiyo4u April 21, 2007 10:26 PM EDT
On the subject of gun control:
If matches start forest fires, should we ban them?
If pencils cause misspelled words, should we ban them?
Come on people, guns don't kill people, people kill people. A car can be used to kill a person as are many other things... use your imagination...

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by kaiyo4u April 21, 2007 10:19 PM EDT
MichelleM99:
Ever hear of adoption? Ever thought of that option? I have met quite a few adopted adults and I can tell you there views on abortion. If abortion was an option then, they would not be here...and they are delightful people...
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by kaiyo4u April 21, 2007 10:12 PM EDT
My stand on abortion has taken many positions over the years... I don't believe in it, but there is a persons choice... I have seen the repercussions of it though in the women who have had. The guilt and shame afterwards that lasts for years. What a convoluted society. We are just as advanced as the Greeks and the Romans were... It was also common practice for the woman to leave the unwanted child at the rubbage heap outside of town too... We're just more civilized in our manner. We either chop and drop or salt the child to death....
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by kaiyo4u April 21, 2007 10:06 PM EDT
Ok, and since you didn't offer me any logical argument to support your statement, I am supposed to change my mind based on what exactly?
Posted by sy2502 at 07:26 PM : Apr 20, 2007
So when do you call it a living being? When the heart starts to beat or when there is brain activity? Either way, it's a life and no it's not being kept alive on a machine... like a comatose person is. Which is a waste of time and money, not to say the person's body left there in limbo...
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by michellem99-2009 April 21, 2007 8:33 PM EDT
This is America and FREE to speake. My father and Vets who went in the armed forces for the freedoms we each hold dear.
Hurts when the truth be told by wemen in *men's*so called world. In case you forgot the constitution was was written by and for white,church going,males only.Women were nobody when that constitution was drafted and wrote.
I don't want the govt telling us to have children just because they say so. No you can't and won't.
Pro lifers must stop censoring our voices.
Life is not pretty when one is poor,homeless,no family,and they are worried about the unborn.It's easy for them to preach and try to shame us.Pro lifers go home and don't speak for me. Some are aborted. It painful as it is without the details.
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