February 11, 2009 5:03 PM

Pure Horserace: Out-Foxed?

By
Vaughn Ververs
(CBS)  For the second time in the campaign, Democratic presidential hopefuls are giving Fox News Channel the brush-off by declining invitations to participate in debates co-sponsored by the cable news channel.

Fulfilling a role he played last month, John Edwards was the first candidate to say no thanks to the debate — which is scheduled for September and co-sponsored by the Congressional Black Caucus. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton followed suit on Monday, leaving the future of the event up in the air.

Edwards received a great deal of applause from Democratic activists when he was the first to back out of a debate last month that was to be co-hosted by Fox and the Nevada Democratic Party. That entire event ended up cancelled after Democrats took umbrage at comments made by Fox News head Roger Ailes about Barack Obama — but it appears the underlying dynamic is much larger than that.

As Edwards' deputy campaign manager Jonathan Prince explained in a statement about the Fox-CBC event: "There's just no reason for Democrats to give Fox a platform to advance the right-wing agenda while pretending to be objective." That's a theme being sounded by Democratic bloggers and activists online, many of whom have been calling for candidates to boycott these Fox News events.

Aside from gaining the favor of those in the party who see Fox as, in Prince's words, pushing a "right-wing agenda," there's another interesting benefit for top-tier candidates to spurn these debates — injury avoidance.

Edwards, Clinton and Obama have little interest at this point in the campaign of filling up their schedules with debates or joint appearances with the entire field. Putting 10 candidates on a stage provides lesser-known (and much lesser-funded) candidates an opportunity to be heard. But for well-oiled machines that already get plenty of free media attention, it can be a diminishing experience.

Such debates sometimes force front-runners to take on issues they'd rather play down — or even expose them to missteps they'd rather not make. The DNC has announced that it will sanction a series of six debates for the primary season. Throw in a few more politically sensitive events and that's plenty for the big three in the field. In 2004, Democrats seemed to move from one joint appearance to the next, much to the delight of some — and the frustration of others.

Turning down the Fox debates is something of a win-win for the three Democrats consistently leading in the measurable campaign categories of polling and fund-raising. It lets them satisfy a segment of activists while helping to keep a lid on debate proliferation.


A First Among Firsts: Geraldine Ferraro, the first woman to appear on a major-party's presidential ticket, has endorsed the candidate with perhaps the best shot ever at winning the top job. Ferraro is backing Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, and the 1984 vice presidential nominee said her support is based more on the gender of the candidate.

"By electing Hillary Clinton, we can smash the ultimate glass ceiling once and for all," Ferraro said in a statement released by the campaign, adding that, "in doing so, we will be electing the most qualified and experienced candidate for President."

This is the tone we're certain to hear repeated often over the course of this campaign, a combination of sisterhood and qualifications. The message: Sure, she could become the nation's first woman president, but gender is in many ways secondary to her ability to do the job.

It's certainly no surprise that Ferraro would be backing Clinton in this race — just as it's not been shocking that the New York senator has compiled a hefty list of establishment support. But it has been a bit jarring to have so many endorsements so early in this race. The backing of high-profile political figures sometimes has more impact coming at crucial times — right before a debate or primary in a strategic location, for example.

The early backing given for 2008 may be of more value given the crush of early — and big — primaries that will be held early next year. Having all that support means Ferraro can be dispatched to work the New York circuit, Tom Vilsack can hold down Iowa and Bill Shaheen can step in for New Hampshire purposes. And, of course, Bill Clinton can be a surrogate just about anywhere, at least for the primaries. Having a big team could allow Clinton to wage a far more energetic effort without requiring her to be in many places at once. For once, these endorsements may have real value — maybe.


Quick Take: Clinton and Rudy Giuliani continue to lead in the latest Gallup poll. Both have increased their leads since last month, with Clinton ahead of Obama 38% to 19% and Giuliani in front of John McCain 38% to 16%. McCain and Obama both dropped from 22% in the March poll, with McCain falling a little further.


Does Anyone "Run For Second?" Obama has raised about $25 million for his presidential campaign, and he's gotten as much coverage, if not more, than any other potential candidate in the race. And, get this: He's not running to be the vice presidential nominee.

Yes, that was the big news coming out of Obama's appearance on David Letterman's "Late Show," where he proclaimed he is not running "for second" when the host raised the possibility of a Clinton-Obama ticket. Seems like a silly issue. Would any candidate ever say they were?


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By Vaughn Ververs

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by perception5 April 11, 2007 4:29 PM EDT
'Katie's Notebook' Item Cribbed From W.S. Journal

By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, April 11, 2007; Page C07

Katie Couric did a one-minute commentary last week on the joys of getting her first library card, but the thoughts were less than original. The piece was substantially lifted from a Wall Street Journal column.

CBS News apologized for the plagiarized passages yesterday and said the commentary had been written by a network producer who has since been fired."

...... oh yeah if Ronald Reagan were alive today we all could here him saying....."Well.....CBS there you go again".
Not sure why CBS (Censoring Broadcasting Station) hasn't posted this BIG story themselves....but we will all keep PRETENDING that there a "straight" news organization...(wink wink)
Yeah liberals CBS is "just the messenger" right??
and FOX is the corrupt news organization right??
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by perception5 April 11, 2007 3:18 PM EDT
When MoveOn.org tells the Democrats what to do they said...."but of course". It really sad how beholden this party is to special interests......... if it wasn't for our absolutely corrupt MSM wolfpack proping this sad party up they would cease to exist........ unfortunately for us Americans that's not the case.........really sad.
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by inventagod April 11, 2007 1:05 PM EDT
Meanwhile, back on topic...
Most Americans have figured out that Fox News is owned by Bu$hCo. True patriots are scrambling to distance themselves from the Republicon 'news service', and refuse to debate using that forum. It does my heart proud to note there are some free-thinkers left in buSHAMErica...
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by jasonmcj April 11, 2007 10:59 AM EDT
HAHAHAHA HAHA HA HAHAH AHAA. Is this the Twilight Zone?? Go bake some cookies, Carolm62.

"there aren't any Republicans in the race who are nearly arrogant enough as to ignore the concerns of half the country's electorate -posted by: Carolm62"

I just can't stop laughing (the sad kind of laughter)
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by jasonmcj April 11, 2007 10:56 AM EDT
Lets try it this way, silly Republican.

So the Democrats won't tolerate a network that tries to force discredited lies in addition to a liberal reality. What a bunch of cry-babies (wow that's hypocritical). They look childish and stupid.(not compared to Republicans)

If these Democratic candidates are so magnificent and capable they should be able to answer the "biased" questions, that represent the valid concerns of HALF the country. (Just like Bush ignored HALF the country when he was elected, and continues to do so.) Do Republican even know what hypocrisy means?



My knee-jerk reaction is to say that Republicans should refuse to appear on all the left-wing networks, including this one,(LOL, You people still spout this???) but I realize that there aren't any Republicans in the race who are nearly arrogant enough as to ignore the concerns of half the country's electorate. (Whoia, that is the funniest thing I've heard all day.....let me repeat it for effect.....there aren't any Republicans in the race who are nearly arrogant enough as to ignore the concerns of half the country's electorate..BWAA AHAH AHAHAHHAHAH HAHA

OK....

Those Dems do look small and silly.
Posted by carolm62 at 07:48 PM : Apr 10, 2007
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by jasonmcj April 11, 2007 10:52 AM EDT
How tired we are of whiny little *** like you.

So the Democrats won't tolerate a network that tries to tell the other guy's side in addition to their own. What a bunch of cry-babies. They look childish and stupid.

If these Democratic candidates are so magnificent and capable they should be able to answer the "biased" questions, that represent the valid concerns of HALF the country.

My knee-jerk reaction is to say that Republicans should refuse to appear on all the left-wing networks, including this one, but I realize that there aren't any Republicans in the race who are nearly arrogant enough as to ignore the concerns of half the country's electorate.

Those Dems do look small and silly.
Posted by carolm62 at 07:48 PM : Apr 10, 2007
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by garys2kool April 11, 2007 4:24 AM EDT
George Bush has had the fewest press conferences of any modern president, and those that he did have were deliberately filled with only those reporters who would ask the right questions. Where is the uproar from the right over this? Oh yeah, I almost forgot, you are too busy crying, complaining, and pointing fingers to realize your hypocrisy. I would give Fox News the finger too-because they deserve it. To call this channel a legitimate news source is laughable, if not insulting .
The main problem with this country is the moaning and complaining from the right. Despite the fact they have controlled all aspects of our government and courts , they still try to blame a completely far-fetched and paranoid "liberal conspiracy" for the problems in this country. Stop crying, it is pathetic.
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by tucson23 April 11, 2007 4:23 AM EDT
I would like every political journalist to face the voters in an election to have that post...
Posted by cbmilne33

Thanks for the suggestion, but we have what you call the 1st Amendment, which pretty much protects the right of the press to report on whatever they want. You can't vote to prevent people in the press from reporting, and it's probably just as well. I suspect New Zealand has the same thing.
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by randalds April 11, 2007 3:46 AM EDT
Typical of the hipocritical thinking of the left in this country. What if republican candidates refused a debate sponsored by CBS? The screaming would be defening, just the same old double standard by the left leaning main stream media. Any alternative views to the leftwing ideology driven agenda are not allowed!
Posted by notblue at 05:47 PM : Apr 10, 2007

Personally I'd be happy if the republicans refused to debate anywhere anytime and on any station. Who wants to hear their drivel anyway? They can be easily divided into two groups those who are doing their best to run away from George W. Bush (and don't have a message other then "I'm not him.") and those who are to stupid to. It doesn't matter which one of them is nominated. Bush has pis*sed in the political water so much the past few years that the odds on anyone with an (R) after there name getting elected in 2008 are somewhere between no way and no fu*cking way. Save your money and don't bother to run a candidate.
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by randalds April 11, 2007 3:40 AM EDT
Why would they want to go on FOX Noise anyway? The average Fox viewer wouldn't vote democratic if you held a gun to their head and Fox will only twist what they say, take it out of context and use it to try to make democrats like bad. Why bother? Besides the average Fox viewer isn't smart enough to understand the debate anyway. All they are are empty receptacles with flip top heads that Rush and Bill and Sean pour sh*it into. Who needs them?
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