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Bush, Congress At Loggerheads Over Iraq

(CBS/AP)  President Bush said the point is clear: "The voters in America want Congress to support our troops who are in harm's way."

No, said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, the Democrats are the ones who "represent the American people's vision on this failed war," and they won't allow Mr. Bush's policy to continue.

Mr. Bush denied Tuesday that he is isolated, but not only does he have very little control over his own party, Democrats now feel free to defy him openly, reports CBS News White House correspondent Bill Plante.

"Members of Congress are home now, back in their districts, listening, talking to their constituents. That will either get them feeling more emboldened, as they come back to Congress, that they're really right in standing up to the president, or you may see folks branching off," Amy Walters, senior editor of the Cook Political Report, said on CBS News' The Early Show.

Both sides claimed on Tuesday to have the public in their corner on the Iraq war.

With Congress out of town, President Bush tried to take the upper hand over Democrats who are making increasing forays into foreign policy as his term dwindles and his approval ratings remain low. He called them "irresponsible" for going on spring break without approving money for the Iraq war with no strings.

He also condemned House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's trip to Syria, too, accusing her of encouraging a terrorism sponsor.

Democrats, buoyed by recent Republican defections from Mr. Bush on Iraq, shot back that they are pursuing effective solutions overseas in response to a national desire for change from his approach.

In the meantime, said Reid at a ceremony for a new Nevada National Guard armory near Las Vegas, "we have said time and time again the troops will have everything they need."

Speaking a day before he heads out of town for six days for events in the West and an Easter break at his ranch, the president said Democrats are failing their responsibility to the troops and the nation's security by leaving for their own recess after passing bills to fund the war that contain timelines for American withdrawal.

President Bush takes his "Support the Troops" message first to Fort Irwin, Calif., home of one of the army's top training centers. "He'll address the troops about his dispute with Congress over the Iraq funding bill, though we're told the rhetoric will be more 'gentle' than yesterday," reports CBS News White House correspondent Mark Knoller.

Given his promised veto of anything containing a deadline — and the likelihood that his veto would be sustained on Capitol Hill — Mr. Bush said Democrats are merely engaging in games that "undercut the troops."

"Democrat leaders in Congress seem more interested in fighting political battles in Washington than in providing our troops what they need to fight the battles in Iraq," President Bush said. "In a time of war, it's irresponsible for the Democrat leadership — Democratic leadership in Congress to delay for months on end while our troops in combat are waiting for the funds."

Nearly two months ago, the president asked for more than $100 billion to pay for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan this year. Congress has approved the money, but the Senate added a provision also calling for most U.S. combat troops to be out of Iraq by March 31, 2008. The House version demands a September 2008 withdrawal.

These bills still must be reconciled before legislation can be sent to the president.

"They need to come off their vacation, get a bill to my desk, and if it's got strings and mandates and withdrawals and pork I'll veto it," Mr. Bush said. "And then we can get down to the business of getting this thing done."

Not so fast, Democrats responded.

"Americans want compromise, not a cowboy-style showdown," said House Majority Whip James Clyburn, D-S.C.

The 2006 election "was a referendum against something, not for something," Walters told Early Show co-anchor Russ Mitchell. "You have Democrats who are still trying to find their way, yet voters have not given them a real road map to say this is exactly what we want. So it's very dangerous" for the Democrats.

Fresh from a briefing by Defense Secretary Robert Gates, the president sought to put pressure on Democrats by detailing ways that delaying the money could harm troops and their families.

After the current $70 billion war appropriation runs out in mid-April, Mr. Bush said, the military would have to consider cutting back on equipment, repairs and training for National Guard and reserve forces. After mid-May, he said, more steps would be considered, such as delaying or curtailing the training of some active duty forces.

Despite President Bush's warnings, dire consequences can be avoided even after the money starts to run out. It has become routine in recent years for Pentagon accountants to move money around in the department's half-trillion-dollar budget to make sure operations in Iraq and Afghanistan are not disrupted. The money is repaid, usually with minimal disruption, when the president signs a new war spending bill.

According to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service, Mr. Bush and Congress have about three months to resolve their standoff before Iraq operations would actually be affected.

Democrats told the president to stop blaming them for being the ones to keep money from soldiers, and to start negotiating.

"If President Bush vetoes funding for the troops, he will be the one who is blocking funding for the troops. Nobody else," said presidential candidate John Edwards.

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by pudd54 April 6, 2007 6:46 PM EDT
Seems to me our system, with it's checks and balances, is working.

Prez wants to stay in Iraq. Congress is tring to stop funding. 3 of 4 americans want us out and 3 out of 5 at least want a timetable now.

The prez isn't doing what the people want. Congress is trying to force the wishes of the people on the prez. I think that is how the system is suppose to work.
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by randalds April 5, 2007 4:57 AM EDT
1. We'll see.
2. If it can't be proven then you have no basis for concluding that it wasn't in our national interest. Opinion is not a basis for deciding the fate of a nation that we brought to ruins.
3. Bush didn't destroy Iraq. Our military did. We have the moral responsibility to rebuild what we broke.
Posted by bsrasmus at 12:55 AM : Apr 05, 2007

1. Yes we shall.

2. Opinion is all you have on it too since you can't prove it was in the national interests. Still a moot point.

3. Our military destroyed Iraq while following the orders of Bush the liar. He gave the order for a war based on lies. It's his mess to clean up and we have no moral obligation to help. Now of course if he admitted his crimes and got down on his knees to beg forgiveness...well...maybe.

Naw, he broke it (our military was just the hammer he used), let him fix it.
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by randalds April 5, 2007 2:37 AM EDT
1. We'll see.
2. If it can't be proven then you have no basis for concluding that it wasn't in our national interest.
3. No, the promise to rebuild was not based on an alleged lie to get us into the war. It was based on our moral responsibility to rebuild what we destroy.
Posted by bsrasmus at 07:50 PM : Apr 04, 2007

1. We shall indeed and I'll be a throwing a party when he's throw out of office or (if it's after his term) when he's convicted of lying to congress and whatever war crimes the international courts want to throw at him and I for one would be happy to see us turn him over to them.

2. As I said it's my opinion just as it's yours that it is in the national interests. You have no more basis to say it is then I have to say it isn't. Moot point.

3. No we do not have a moral responsibility to rebuild as Iraq wouldn't need rebuilding except for the fact that our military blew it up based on Bush's lies. Logic 101. Bush lied. The country was destroyed because of Bush's lie. Therefore it's Bush's fault the country was destroyed and therefore Bush has the moral responsibility to fix it, not us. Let him haul his phony Texan butt over there and fix it with his own money and labor.
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by homespunlady April 4, 2007 11:27 PM EDT
forthepeaple - deep breath, please drop the caps - they hurt my eyes. I suspect the SSN trust fund is much worse off than you even say. I'm putting my efforts into finding the way around that wall the CIC has erected in hopes of getting some sort of change going. Not much power but I can research and write.
I've bumped up against "whistle blower backlash" and lost enough to know that going head on was a huge mistake. I've since learned to try to "lead with the left and jab with the right".
Hope you stay safe and make it back to somewhere better.
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by forthepeaple April 4, 2007 11:01 PM EDT
AGAIN BIG BOY GO READ THE TRUTH. INSTEAD OF TALKING OUT OF YOUR A/S/S...
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by forthepeaple April 4, 2007 10:58 PM EDT
HOMESPUNLADY- DID YOU KNOW THAT OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN USEING 1 QUARTER SO FAR OF OUR SSN TRUST FUND.. AND THAT THEY HAVE AND WILL BE USEING THE NEXT 10 YEARS WORTH THAT WILL BE GOING IN THAT FUND OR I SHOULDED OF SAID WOULD OF BEEN GOING IN..
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by homespunlady April 4, 2007 10:51 PM EDT
bsrasmus
I find no harm with an arbitrary, NONBINDING withdrawal date which IS what one side of congress has proposed. It appears to be an excellent compromise. Sort of like how well the British and Iran settled their differences over boundaries.
As for the fear-mongers that say the bad guys will sit and wait us out - isn't that what BIN LADEN'S already doing in AFGHANISTAN and our administration doesn't seem to be worried about that.
Personally I have more faith in the IRAQI PEOPLE than you. The elected leaders are not children that need their hands held. The Kurds and religious leaders have said that things can be handled there without our interference and even are proving it in the outer provinces.
Will Iraq ever be our ideal wet-dream of a nation? Obviously not. Even England doesn't fill that role.

BTW -We are holding those funds until the situation in Iraq stabilizes.
Posted by bsrasmus at 07:17 PM : Apr 04, 2007
"We" Indicates some form of control or knowledge concerning those funds. I AM seriously concerned with the looting of our treasury and the use of the war to do so.
Are those the funds that have gone missing and/or not been accounted for properly?
I've been VERY concerned ever since reading about the decorated Army Officer that died in a contractor's trailer from a gunshot after telling his family the day before how upset he was over the corruption he'd found.
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by forthepeaple April 4, 2007 10:38 PM EDT
AND FOR THE WORLD I LIVE IN MR.BSRASMUS IS THIS.. I PATROL THE STREETS OF BAGDAG..WANT TO JOIN ME...A BIG BOY...LETS SEE IF YOU HAVE THE BALLS TO..

OR ARE YOU LIKE OUR CHICKEN S/H/I/T/ COMANDER AND CHICKEN.

SO RIGHT BACK AT YOU BIG BOY...
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by forthepeaple April 4, 2007 10:34 PM EDT
BEFORE YOU REALLY LOSE IT BSRASMUS- DO ME A FAVOR GO READ( PENTAGON WISHLE-BLOWER)AT

WWW.SCOOP.CO.NZ PUT THAT NAME IN THE SEARCH TAB, READ ALL 9 PAGES OF WHAT MY SUPIOR SAID., SHE STILL IN HIDEING FROM OUR GOVERNEMT..

READ IT AND LEARN HOW IT ALL WORKS... AND I KNOW THE TRUTH HURTS SOMETOMES AND YOU DO WANT TO BELEIVE IN YOUR COUNTRY LIKE I DID, BUT THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.. READ IT.
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by randalds April 4, 2007 10:31 PM EDT
1. I'll wait patiently for that proof.
2. "Of course" is not a proof.
3. You have given a good reason why the an alleged lie entails renouncing our promise to rebuild Iraq.

Moreover, you ignore the moral responsibility that we have to rebuild what our nation has destroyed, regardless of the reason.
Posted by bsrasmus at 07:24 PM : Apr 04, 2007

1. You won't have long to wait. When this surge fails (as it is now) the republicans in the Senate will desert Bush in droves and the impeachment can begin.

2. If it is or is not in our national interests is a matter of opinion, not an issue of proof. It is something that can not be proved or disproved, except perhaps by about another 100 years of history.

3. The lie renounces our obligation because the promise to rebuild was based on the same lies that led us into this debacle. Obviously there would not have been a promise to rebuild (which was part of the initial move toward war and did not come after the war started). Since it was based on Bush's lie, then the moral obligation is his and his alone. He must bear responsibility for the aftermath of his lies, not us.
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