Barack Obama Collects $25 Million

Illinois Senator Was A Close Second To Hillary Clinton In Presidential Dash For Cash

(CBS/AP)  Democrat Barack Obama raked in $25 million for his presidential bid in the first three months of 2007, placing him on a par with front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton and dashing her image as the party's inevitable nominee.

Obama's fundraising number came from an official in his campaign, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The eye-popping figure was the latest evidence that Obama, a political newcomer who has served just two years in the Senate, has emerged as the most powerful new force in presidential politics this year. It also reinforced his status as a significant threat to Clinton, who'd hoped her own $26 million first-quarter fundraising total would begin to squeeze her rivals out of contention.

There's one key difference between Obama and Clinton, reports CBS News correspondent Gloria Borger: Obama has 100,000 donors, about twice as many as Clinton. And half of them — 50,000 people — gave by logging on. Obama raised $6.9 million online, compared with $4.2 million for Clinton.

While Clinton has honed a vast national fundraising network through two Senate campaigns and her husband's eight years as president, Obama launched his bid for the White House with a relatively small donor base concentrated largely in Illinois, his home state. But his early opposition to the Iraq war and voter excitement over his quest to be the first black president quickly fueled a powerful fundraising machine.

Obama is the latest presidential hopeful to obliterate the old first-quarter fundraising records.

Republican Mitt Romney raked in $23 million to join Clinton in the $20 million-plus club. The also-rans in the money race also reported eye-popping totals.

Republican frontrunner Rudy Giuliani collected $15 million, and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., took in $12.5 million.

Among Democrats, John Edwards collected $14 million. That's double what the North Carolina Democrat raised in the same time period in his last run for the White House.

Cash wasn't always king, reports Borger. But the top candidates have opted out of the public financing system, so they can raise as much money as they want. And they'll need it. The last time the presidential race was this wide open, with no incumbent president or vice president running, was 1952.

To understand just how awash in cash the class of 2008 is, it's only necessary to look at the previous first-quarter fundraising records. Republican Phil Gramm of Texas and Democrat Al Gore of Tennessee held the previous high-water marks: $8.7 million for Gramm in 1995 and $8.9 million for Gore in 1995.

The fundraising totals are a crucial test for the candidates and indicate whose campaign is strongest less than a year before the first primary votes are cast. The fundraising deadline for the January through March period was Saturday, with financial reports due April 15.

Clinton swelled her campaign war chest by transferring an additional $10 million from her Senate fundraising account, aides said. That brought her to $36 million.

Other candidates reporting first-quarter totals included:

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, a Democrat, said he had raised $6 million and had more than $5 million cash on hand.

Aides to Democratic Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut said he raised more than $4 million and transferred nearly $5 million from his Senate campaign, for a total of $9 million in receipts and $7.5 million cash on hand.

Democratic Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware lagged behind, with his staff reporting that he had total receipts of nearly $4 million, nearly half of which was transferred from his Senate campaign account.

Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback, a conservative darling but long-shot GOP candidate, also lagged far behind, reporting receipts of less than $2 million, including a $575,000 transfer from his Senate campaign account.


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by radiob-2009 April 2, 2007 3:00 PM EDT

What your vote stands for ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

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by forthepeaple April 2, 2007 3:23 PM EDT

well wake up america! Its a new world today? why you may ask? because it is time to put a end to our government.!! how you may ask? by this and i hope everyone listting. so get it out there anyway you can ok here goes, sence our own government doesn't want to follow our constitution or any other laws, we the people of this united states of america will not give or PAY ANY TYPE OF GOVERNMENT TAXES,WE WILL TELL OUR WORK PLACE TO CHANGE OUR DEDUCTION TO SAY 10 SO NO TAXES WILL COME OUT. TRY TO RUN THIS COUNTRY WITH NO MONEY COMMING IN..THIS IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN STOP THE BLEEDING IN THIS COUNTRY..

I HOPE EVERY AMERICAN DOES EXECTLY WHAT I STATED HERE, GET THE WORD OUT.

THIS GOVERNMENT IS AND WILL NOT HELP THE AVERAGE AMERICAN SO EVERYONE BETTER WAKE UP AND TAKE CONTROL OF OUR GOVERNMENT NOW BEFORE ITS TO LATE.

IF YOU SIT BACK AND DO NOTHING, THAN DONT SAY A WORD, THIS IS TO GET OUR COUNTRY BACK.

THIS GOVERNMENT HAS LIED,CHEATTED YOU, AND WILL NOT FOLLOW THE LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY, SO WHY SHOULD WE..

SO GO AHEAD DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO TREAT EVERYDAY LIKE THEY DO WITH NO RESPECT TO THE LAWS AND OUR CONSTITUTION OR BILL OF RIGHTS, SO GO AHEAD HAVE FUN LIKE THEY DO ALL IN WASHINGTON....

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by terrapin78 April 2, 2007 3:53 PM EDT

I don't believe a Mormon can be elected President. Their loyalty to the Book of Mormon is greater than their loyalty to the US Constitution.

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by radiob-2009 April 2, 2007 4:20 PM EDT

None of the 57 flavors running for president are worth voting for.

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by clarkssuppor April 2, 2007 4:22 PM EDT

who is the mormon?

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by gwagener April 2, 2007 4:32 PM EDT

Romney is Morman.
Any person of faith necessary has a conflict.
Many Republicans are unhappy with thier field.
Romney - Morman, not pro war
McCain - too old, conseritive credentials suspect, history as a womanizer.
Giuliani - pro choice, pro gun control, not conseritive enough, history of extreme marital problems.
It is interesting that they al cna raise money.

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by guysdigdirt April 2, 2007 4:38 PM EDT

I don't believe a Mormon can be elected President. Their loyalty to the Book of Mormon is greater than their loyalty to the US Constitution.
Posted by Terrapin78
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Terrapin, do you know any Mormons? Have you ever looked into what they believe in? Do you know what the Book of Mormon says? You can say a person will be a good President just based on religion? I think you should get an education about what you say before you open your mouth.

Here is one of the things Mormons say they believe in. You can find the rest at http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,106-1-2-1,FF.html


We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

I do find it interesting thought that the Mormon is the only Republican frontrunner that has not had multiple wives.

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by guysdigdirt April 2, 2007 4:41 PM EDT

Any person of faith necessary has a conflict.

Posted by gwagener
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What? Are you saying if one is religious he cannot be a good leader?

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by gwagener April 2, 2007 4:42 PM EDT

Terrapin78 wrote:
I don't believe a Mormon can be elected President. Their loyalty to the Book of Mormon is greater than their loyalty to the US Constitution.

The same thing was said of JFK because a Catholic theoretically has to be loyal to the Pope above the constitution. Giuliani is Catholic.
Only an athiest can say they are loyal to the Constitution first without being a hypocrit.

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by marine_one April 2, 2007 4:49 PM EDT

I'd rather have a person of faith and convictions in the white house than a person with no faith and no convictions. Some of the criticisms that Romney is receiving for being Mormon were also made toward JFK for being Catholic. In the 1960 election, people said that JFK would follow the Pope's advice over the needs of the country.

I've actually read the Book of Mormon, and it teaches a person to be good and honorable and moral in all their doings. Isn't that the kind of person we want in the white house?

Mitt Romney's been married for 38 years, done wonders as governor of Massachusetts, made the SLC Olympics a huge success and spent countless years making businesses profitable. He has what this country needs to get back on track.

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by gwagener April 2, 2007 4:51 PM EDT

guysdigdirt wrote:
What? Are you saying if one is religious he cannot be a good leader?

No, I'm saying if disqualify Romney for ging a Morman you have to disqualify Giuliani for being Catholic. For that matter, you have to disqulify everyone of faith. It's not likely that we will see an athiest running for President any time soon, so in the mean time, we are going to have to rely on the separation of church and state to keep any President from imposing thier religion.

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by jmo1685 April 2, 2007 4:57 PM EDT

Its amazing how talking religion can spark such controvery. Lets judge people on their personal veiws, and values, and see if perhaps those match ours when making decisions on government officials. I know for a fact that the "Mormon" church never backs a specific candidate, although obviously their values back certain ideas. But they never pressure anyone to vote a specific way, or tell someone how to do their job. They leave it to the dictates of their own conscience on the decisions they make. Much like how you and me make decisions everyday. What religion he is makes no difference to me, who he is, and what he stands for, that does. If that matches what I stand for, great, if not, too bad, cast one more for hillary i guess.

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by gwagener April 2, 2007 5:07 PM EDT

jmo1685 wrote:
the "Mormon" church never backs a specific candidate

If they did that, they would lose their tax exempt status. Separation of church and state goes both ways.

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by jmo1685 April 2, 2007 5:18 PM EDT

Again, wow, I'm just blown away. Its all about money then? Thank you so much for enlightening me. I really appreciate it.

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by jimkun April 2, 2007 5:24 PM EDT

I don't understand the statement "the church never backs a specific candidate... If they did that, they would lose their tax exempt status. Separation of church and state goes both ways." It's a well known fact that many priests were encouraging their congregation to vote Republican in the last presidential election... And they never lost their tax exempt status.

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by nolalou April 2, 2007 5:35 PM EDT

I think Romney's Mormon religion is only an issue in as much as it might influence the vote in Republican primaries. In party primaries, usually the most activist members of each party organize and turn out to vote. In the case of the Republican party, that means primarily evangelical Christians. They would not support Giuliani because of his pro-choice and gay rights views. By the same token, I don't believe they would support a Mormon. The Mormon Latter Day Saints Church, according to evangelical Christians, has perverted Christian teachings to create a false religion. Southern Baptist leaders have been especially vocal in calling Mormonism a cult. I'm not sure which candidate Christian voters will flock to , but I'm pretty sure it won't be Romney.

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by dallison7 April 2, 2007 5:35 PM EDT

What? Are you saying if one is religious he cannot be a good leader?
Posted by guysdigdirt



As a person who does have a lot of knowledge concerning the Mormons, I can tell you that Romney will do whatever his 'Prophet' tells him to do

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by gwagener April 2, 2007 5:46 PM EDT

jimkun
It's a well known fact that many priests were encouraging their congregation to vote Republican in the last presidential election... And they never lost their tax exempt status.

The big difference is the priests acted without the approval of their church. Some of these cases are under investigation still and it is possible that some priests/pastors may have been or may still get fired. Some congregations (just one community, not the national church) may be in jeorpardy for the violation. Of course, Alberto Gonzales would have to decide to procecute.

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by jmo1685 April 2, 2007 5:58 PM EDT

Haha, dallison7, as one who claims to have alot of knowledge about the "Mormon" church, can you tell us exactly this prophet will tell him to do? Something terrible right? We all know how these mormons are, all for values and family, its a horrible way to live. He would never recieve any instruction from the prophet if he was to win. But I believe the points about the Christian world not accepting mormons will ultimately decide this, and Romney will not win. So don't worry, your country won't be run by someone with values. Have a great day! (I do happen to be mormon folks, so I will be alittle biased on these issues, sorry, but I really don't mean to come across as a jerk or someone who isn't willing to listen to others views, I just don't like to idea of being told things about my religion that aren't true or substanciated)I'm probably out of line to make any comments, so I apologize if I evoke any harsh feelings out of anyone.

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by bigsk8fan April 2, 2007 6:14 PM EDT

after 6 years of W, anyone would be a vast improvement. After listening to W talk about his faith, only to see this numbskull start a war with a country that did NOT attack the USA, nor did that country aid Al Qaeda (someone who did attack the USA). Actully, W has used his religious beliefs to normally cause harm to the rights of others. Ironic when you consider he says he is a man of faith.

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by radiob-2009 April 2, 2007 6:14 PM EDT

What our votes mean ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

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by getthefacts2 April 2, 2007 6:22 PM EDT

Why would Romney's religion have any different influence on his presidential abilities as that of any other canidate of a religious affiliation. Mormons are NOT "Cultists", if you are using that word to refernce other religious groups such as Jim Jones and Warren Jeffs. This idea that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (mormons) are cultists is hype brought up by other religions who have been afraid of loosing their membership to mormons. The mormons do NOT teach any ill will towards people of other faiths. The fact that some religions are doing this against the mormons shows that they're afraid of something. It's sad to see people who believe this hype and never do their own reading or checking. What is their motivation? Why are they so afraid? Some basic research and reason would calm their fears.

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by guysdigdirt April 2, 2007 7:07 PM EDT

As a person who does have a lot of knowledge concerning the Mormons, I can tell you that Romney will do whatever his 'Prophet' tells him to do
Posted by dallison7
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You seem quite full of yourself and your perceived knowledge. If you are as knowledgeable regarding Mormons as you say, you know neither the Prophet nor any other leader of the Mormon Church would ever try and sway a political leader's mind toward any action. But do not assume Mr. Romney, or any other person, will always do as directed by any outside force or person.

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by guysdigdirt April 2, 2007 7:15 PM EDT

The Mormon Latter Day Saints Church, according to evangelical Christians, has perverted Christian teachings to create a false religion. Southern Baptist leaders have been especially vocal in calling Mormonism a cult.

Posted by nolalou
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If I do not like your stance on something, or if people like you more than they like me, I could tell people you molest children. That would not make it true, but some would believe it and tell others. The tragedy is that many would believe it because they heard someone repeat it. But if someone got to know you, and who you really are, they would not believe the lie and would find me to be a liar and a fake for telling the none-truth.

Find out the truth for yourself. Do not lean upon what others tell you.

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by truthword April 2, 2007 7:17 PM EDT

My write in candidate will be Jesus Christ, forget about the deceivers. The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. I went to the ghettos where I grew up at the other day, and man o man, they're worse than ever before, those people need some help bad, what's the government doing? Buying tv advertising to talk themselves up that's what. Turn off your tv, forget about the "government" and lets start helping one another out instead of fighting against each other like they want us to. It's really that simple folks.... at this point we'd be better off without a government than the one we have.

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by guysdigdirt April 2, 2007 7:18 PM EDT

It's a well known fact that many priests were encouraging their congregation to vote Republican in the last presidential election... And they never lost their tax exempt status.
Posted by jimkun
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You are wrong, in those instances where it was proven the church lost it's status and the congregation that donated to them lost the write-offs.

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by guysdigdirt April 2, 2007 7:22 PM EDT

No cultist will EVER be elected President.....then again, if he got control of the e-voting machines like Chimpy, he might win by 150% of the vote.....what a complete joke the GOP has become.
Posted by veteran71
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You sound like a cynic and a sore-loser. Would you prefer Gore had won the first election? Do you know how to speak Afghani? You would have had to learn it after 9/11 if he had.

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by truthword April 2, 2007 7:24 PM EDT

A lot of mormonism was taken from Freemasonry which was taken from jewish mysticism the Kaballah which is basically Jewish satanism, most jews don't practice the Kaballah. This is why the freemasons killed Joseph Smith in Carthage which isn't all that far from here. They have a big temple in Nauvoo which is even closer to here that has upside down pentagrams, the symbol of satan all over the building, sun god worship symbols, etc etc... go look it up online. I my friend do know what I'm talking about. I'm not saying all moromons or all freemasons are bad people, most are simply misled.

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You seem quite full of yourself and your perceived knowledge. If you are as knowledgeable regarding Mormons as you say, you know neither the Prophet nor any other leader of the Mormon Church would ever try and sway a political leader's mind toward any action. But do not assume Mr. Romney, or any other person, will always do as directed by any outside force or person.
Posted by guysdigdirt at 04:07 PM : Apr 02, 2007

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by guysdigdirt April 2, 2007 7:26 PM EDT

cast one more for hillary i guess.
Posted by jmo1685
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Don't even play like that!!!!! Ouch, she was already President for 8 years, her turn is up. and if she did not know her husband was cheating on her how will she know how to run a county? Then she could not handle the situation with him after that, stuck with him for political reasons and now wants to have us entrust her with our faith to lead this country? You think we are in a mess now, that would be the icing on the cake.

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by forthepeaple April 2, 2007 7:29 PM EDT

well wake up america! Its a new world today? why you may ask? because it is time to put a end to our government.!! how you may ask? by this and i hope everyone listting. so get it out there anyway you can ok here goes, sence our own government doesn't want to follow our constitution or any other laws, we the people of this united states of america will not give or PAY ANY TYPE OF GOVERNMENT TAXES,WE WILL TELL OUR WORK PLACE TO CHANGE OUR DEDUCTION TO SAY 10 SO NO TAXES WILL COME OUT. TRY TO RUN THIS COUNTRY WITH NO MONEY COMMING IN..THIS IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN STOP THE BLEEDING IN THIS COUNTRY..

I HOPE EVERY AMERICAN DOES EXECTLY WHAT I STATED HERE, GET THE WORD OUT.

THIS GOVERNMENT IS AND WILL NOT HELP THE AVERAGE AMERICAN SO EVERYONE BETTER WAKE UP AND TAKE CONTROL OF OUR GOVERNMENT NOW BEFORE ITS TO LATE.

IF YOU SIT BACK AND DO NOTHING, THAN DONT SAY A WORD, THIS IS TO GET OUR COUNTRY BACK.

THIS GOVERNMENT HAS LIED,CHEATTED YOU, AND WILL NOT FOLLOW THE LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY, SO WHY SHOULD WE..

SO GO AHEAD DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO TREAT EVERYDAY LIKE THEY DO WITH NO RESPECT TO THE LAWS AND OUR CONSTITUTION OR BILL OF RIGHTS, SO GO AHEAD HAVE FUN LIKE THEY DO ALL IN WASHINGTON.... THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN TELL THE PRESIDENT FOR ME. DAVID A BELANGER,[e-mail]. GO AHEAD PRINT THIS IN EVERY PAPERS

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by musty2u April 2, 2007 7:29 PM EDT

truthword looks like he/she/it believes even the Bazooka Bubble Gum quotes as printed.

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by truthword April 2, 2007 7:33 PM EDT

Is that the best you can do? All you have to do is go look into things, it's no big secret. Go to yahoo image search and check out some photos of the big mormon temple in nauvoo illinois. It's really that simple....

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truthword looks like he/she/it believes even the Bazooka Bubble Gum quotes as printed.
Posted by Musty2U at 04:29 PM : Apr 02, 2007

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by gunownerdan April 2, 2007 7:37 PM EDT

The best prostitutes will make the most money.

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by musty2u April 2, 2007 7:38 PM EDT

and, you are a mormon who will testify that those are correct meanings of those images?

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by guysdigdirt April 2, 2007 7:38 PM EDT

A lot of mormonism was taken from Freemasonry which was taken from jewish mysticism the Kaballah which is basically Jewish satanism, most jews don't practice the Kaballah. This is why the freemasons killed Joseph Smith in Carthage which isn't all that far from here. They have a big temple in Nauvoo which is even closer to here that has upside down pentagrams, the symbol of satan all over the building, sun god worship symbols, etc etc... go look it up online. I my friend do know what I'm talking about. I'm not saying all moromons or all freemasons are bad people, most are simply misled.

truthword
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No, you clearly demonstrate you have no idea what you are talking about. If you believe even 1% of that you are greatly misled.

If you want to find out what they really are all about go to them and ask them. Read their books. Read what respected authors of this day write about them. Do not rely on quacks that post a web site and have not foundation for their writings.

You do not know the truth about Mormons, it scares me what you might think you know about other people and religions too.

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by tuckerndfw April 2, 2007 7:38 PM EDT

Can anyone explain how the ability to beg for money is related to qualifications to be president?

George Bush raises lots of money and we see how unqualified he is.

Perhaps it's time to ban political contributions. They could be better used to help pay down the deficit.

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by gunownerdan April 2, 2007 7:41 PM EDT

I guess our next president will be the best one that money can buy...............

The Democrats and the Republicans are DESTROYING AMERICA.

The sheep will follow!

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by guysdigdirt April 2, 2007 7:43 PM EDT

The best prostitutes will make the most money.
Posted by GunOwnerDan
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As will those who represent true opportunity. When America finds one who can, and will, make the changes needed, that person will get, got, support.

In reality I think Romney will not inhabit the White House. He is too honest to win the election. Ironic no?

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by nolalou April 2, 2007 7:43 PM EDT

forthepeaple,

This is about the 20th time you have posted this c*ap! Once was more than enough! Get a life you looser!

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by truthword April 2, 2007 7:45 PM EDT

I'm kind of busy working at the moment that's why I haven't gone into more detail, I invite everyone to do a little research for themself, simply go to yahoo or googles search engine and type in

mormon freemasonry

Ye seed and ye shall find..

Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

I'll be back in about an hour though, I'm almost done with my work for the day. :-)
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No, you clearly demonstrate you have no idea what you are talking about. If you believe even 1% of that you are greatly misled.

If you want to find out what they really are all about go to them and ask them. Read their books. Read what respected authors of this day write about them. Do not rely on quacks that post a web site and have not foundation for their writings.

You do not know the truth about Mormons, it scares me what you might think you know about other people and religions too.

Posted by guysdigdirt at 04:38 PM : Apr 02, 2007
+ report abuse

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by guysdigdirt April 2, 2007 7:49 PM EDT

I guess our next president will be the best one that money can buy...............


Posted by GunOwnerDan
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"Billionaire John Kerry supporter George Soros is working through the U.N. to negotiate a treaty that will ban private ownership of firearms on a worldwide basis."

This is an actual headline from October 2004. Soros, a billionaire, said he would give all his money to see Bush defeated. His money pushed thru laws that took your and my free-speach away. He gave millions of dollars to beat Bush. But that money did not cause us to have to live with Kerry as the president. Not always will money make a difference.

I agree Dan, sometimes money will make a politician do things they might not otherwise do once they get into office. The political system should be changed so they all have only the same amount of money to use and no private contributions. Then they would not be "bought" once in office.

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by musty2u April 2, 2007 7:52 PM EDT

I've seen some pretty weird ideas and books put out by some second rate publishing companies. All I can say, is it supports freedom of the press, not necessarily freedom of the truth. I would want to speak with someone that has more credibility...maybe even a mormon.

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by guysdigdirt April 2, 2007 7:53 PM EDT

truthword, do you believe everything you find on the internet and read in the papers? I can find a web site that says you are a professional skydiver, does that make it true? Go to the source, check it out.

we can go on like this all day, but if you believe everything you read on the net, it is hopeless.

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by guysdigdirt April 2, 2007 7:56 PM EDT

forthepeaple,

This is about the 20th time you have posted this c*ap! Once was more than enough! Get a life you looser!
Posted by nolalou
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I agree!!! No one reads your posts forthepeople. Let it go.

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by omega39-2009 April 2, 2007 7:58 PM EDT

The political system should be changed so they all have only the same amount of money to use and no private contributions. Then they would not be "bought" once in office.
Posted by guysdigdirt

I agree but then you would have PACS and 527s bombarding the airwaves with negative advertising. The courts seem to feel that this is protected free speech but IMO these misleading and untruthful ads are akin to yelling fire in a crowded movie theater. These bozos need to go back to stumping from the back of a train and getting to meet their constituents face to face.

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by truthword April 2, 2007 8:00 PM EDT

I don't believe everything I read on the internet, I do however know quite a bit about freemasonry, which means I know quite a bit about mormonism as well, and I do live in the area where this all happened at. Do you think everything on the internet is a lie? There's 74,200 results for mormon+freemasonry on yahoo search, where there's smoke there's fire, I think the people that really want to know can go research this for themselves. I could care less about either luciferian group myself. You guys need to get Jesus. Like I said, I'm trying to work and I'll be back in about an hour if you want to have a big debate on the subject.

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by tuckerndfw April 2, 2007 8:08 PM EDT

It is time to eliminate elections.

We should select representatives the same way we select jurors.

It will not happen in my lifetime, but the best way to rid ourselves of corruption in politics is by eliminating career politicians.

Representative government does not need or require egomaniacs who spend their entire lives connivig their way into elected office.

Until we eliminate professional politicians, we can expect more of the same. Politicians will always cater to those who give them the most money. And, the vast majority of Americans (about 97%) do not contribute to political campaigns. Which means they are not represented by anyone.

If nothing else, George Bush has conclusively demonstrated that anyone (or anything) is capable of holding the Office of the President. No qualifications or ability required.

As have most members of his GOP led rubber stamp congress.

Time to eliminate elections entirely. They serve no useful purpose.

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by nyckate April 2, 2007 8:21 PM EDT

Posted by GunOwnerDan - so instead we had the top 1% who paid enough to keep a complete and utter incompetent like Bush in the white house - and what do you know - it paid off for them as they reaped more under Bush than they have in 75 years -- it can never be said of Bush that the wealthy didn't get what they paid for - and it will ALWAYS be said of Bush that he was just a guy dressed up in a ***'s costume for sale.

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by seven-pesos April 2, 2007 8:22 PM EDT

never met a southerner i ever liked.

bush loving, war making, ignorant, uneducated, phony christian, evangelist freaks and republican snakes.

the south never does good for america.

fat people, war makers, bush loving slave state trash.

nothing good comes out of the south!

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by notblue April 2, 2007 8:32 PM EDT

seven-pesos, I'm not a geographic genious but don't you come from the "south"? Are there any other thoughts your capable of other than the same old lame rant? Just curious.

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[radiob-2009]

What your vote stands for ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

[forthepeaple]

well wake up america! Its a new world today? why you may ask? because it is time to put a end to our government.!! how you may ask? by this and i hope everyone listting. so get it out there anyway you can ok here goes, sence our own government doesn't want to follow our constitution or any other laws, we the people of this united states of america will not give or PAY ANY TYPE OF GOVERNMENT TAXES,WE WILL TELL OUR WORK PLACE TO CHANGE OUR DEDUCTION TO SAY 10 SO NO TAXES WILL COME OUT. TRY TO RUN THIS COUNTRY WITH NO MONEY COMMING IN..THIS IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN STOP THE BLEEDING IN THIS COUNTRY..

I HOPE EVERY AMERICAN DOES EXECTLY WHAT I STATED HERE, GET THE WORD OUT.

THIS GOVERNMENT IS AND WILL NOT HELP THE AVERAGE AMERICAN SO EVERYONE BETTER WAKE UP AND TAKE CONTROL OF OUR GOVERNMENT NOW BEFORE ITS TO LATE.

IF YOU SIT BACK AND DO NOTHING, THAN DONT SAY A WORD, THIS IS TO GET OUR COUNTRY BACK.

THIS GOVERNMENT HAS LIED,CHEATTED YOU, AND WILL NOT FOLLOW THE LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY, SO WHY SHOULD WE..

SO GO AHEAD DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO TREAT EVERYDAY LIKE THEY DO WITH NO RESPECT TO THE LAWS AND OUR CONSTITUTION OR BILL OF RIGHTS, SO GO AHEAD HAVE FUN LIKE THEY DO ALL IN WASHINGTON....

[terrapin78]

I don't believe a Mormon can be elected President. Their loyalty to the Book of Mormon is greater than their loyalty to the US Constitution.

[radiob-2009]

None of the 57 flavors running for president are worth voting for.

[clarkssuppor]

who is the mormon?

[gwagener]

Romney is Morman.
Any person of faith necessary has a conflict.
Many Republicans are unhappy with thier field.
Romney - Morman, not pro war
McCain - too old, conseritive credentials suspect, history as a womanizer.
Giuliani - pro choice, pro gun control, not conseritive enough, history of extreme marital problems.
It is interesting that they al cna raise money.

[guysdigdirt]

I don't believe a Mormon can be elected President. Their loyalty to the Book of Mormon is greater than their loyalty to the US Constitution.
Posted by Terrapin78
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Terrapin, do you know any Mormons? Have you ever looked into what they believe in? Do you know what the Book of Mormon says? You can say a person will be a good President just based on religion? I think you should get an education about what you say before you open your mouth.

Here is one of the things Mormons say they believe in. You can find the rest at http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,106-1-2-1,FF.html


We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

I do find it interesting thought that the Mormon is the only Republican frontrunner that has not had multiple wives.

[guysdigdirt]

Any person of faith necessary has a conflict.

Posted by gwagener
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What? Are you saying if one is religious he cannot be a good leader?

[gwagener]

Terrapin78 wrote:
I don't believe a Mormon can be elected President. Their loyalty to the Book of Mormon is greater than their loyalty to the US Constitution.

The same thing was said of JFK because a Catholic theoretically has to be loyal to the Pope above the constitution. Giuliani is Catholic.
Only an athiest can say they are loyal to the Constitution first without being a hypocrit.

[marine_one]

I'd rather have a person of faith and convictions in the white house than a person with no faith and no convictions. Some of the criticisms that Romney is receiving for being Mormon were also made toward JFK for being Catholic. In the 1960 election, people said that JFK would follow the Pope's advice over the needs of the country.

I've actually read the Book of Mormon, and it teaches a person to be good and honorable and moral in all their doings. Isn't that the kind of person we want in the white house?

Mitt Romney's been married for 38 years, done wonders as governor of Massachusetts, made the SLC Olympics a huge success and spent countless years making businesses profitable. He has what this country needs to get back on track.

[gwagener]

guysdigdirt wrote:
What? Are you saying if one is religious he cannot be a good leader?

No, I'm saying if disqualify Romney for ging a Morman you have to disqualify Giuliani for being Catholic. For that matter, you have to disqulify everyone of faith. It's not likely that we will see an athiest running for President any time soon, so in the mean time, we are going to have to rely on the separation of church and state to keep any President from imposing thier religion.

[jmo1685]

Its amazing how talking religion can spark such controvery. Lets judge people on their personal veiws, and values, and see if perhaps those match ours when making decisions on government officials. I know for a fact that the "Mormon" church never backs a specific candidate, although obviously their values back certain ideas. But they never pressure anyone to vote a specific way, or tell someone how to do their job. They leave it to the dictates of their own conscience on the decisions they make. Much like how you and me make decisions everyday. What religion he is makes no difference to me, who he is, and what he stands for, that does. If that matches what I stand for, great, if not, too bad, cast one more for hillary i guess.

[gwagener]

jmo1685 wrote:
the "Mormon" church never backs a specific candidate

If they did that, they would lose their tax exempt status. Separation of church and state goes both ways.

[jmo1685]

Again, wow, I'm just blown away. Its all about money then? Thank you so much for enlightening me. I really appreciate it.

[jimkun]

I don't understand the statement "the church never backs a specific candidate... If they did that, they would lose their tax exempt status. Separation of church and state goes both ways." It's a well known fact that many priests were encouraging their congregation to vote Republican in the last presidential election... And they never lost their tax exempt status.

[nolalou]

I think Romney's Mormon religion is only an issue in as much as it might influence the vote in Republican primaries. In party primaries, usually the most activist members of each party organize and turn out to vote. In the case of the Republican party, that means primarily evangelical Christians. They would not support Giuliani because of his pro-choice and gay rights views. By the same token, I don't believe they would support a Mormon. The Mormon Latter Day Saints Church, according to evangelical Christians, has perverted Christian teachings to create a false religion. Southern Baptist leaders have been especially vocal in calling Mormonism a cult. I'm not sure which candidate Christian voters will flock to , but I'm pretty sure it won't be Romney.

[dallison7]

What? Are you saying if one is religious he cannot be a good leader?
Posted by guysdigdirt



As a person who does have a lot of knowledge concerning the Mormons, I can tell you that Romney will do whatever his 'Prophet' tells him to do

[gwagener]

jimkun
It's a well known fact that many priests were encouraging their congregation to vote Republican in the last presidential election... And they never lost their tax exempt status.

The big difference is the priests acted without the approval of their church. Some of these cases are under investigation still and it is possible that some priests/pastors may have been or may still get fired. Some congregations (just one community, not the national church) may be in jeorpardy for the violation. Of course, Alberto Gonzales would have to decide to procecute.

[jmo1685]

Haha, dallison7, as one who claims to have alot of knowledge about the "Mormon" church, can you tell us exactly this prophet will tell him to do? Something terrible right? We all know how these mormons are, all for values and family, its a horrible way to live. He would never recieve any instruction from the prophet if he was to win. But I believe the points about the Christian world not accepting mormons will ultimately decide this, and Romney will not win. So don't worry, your country won't be run by someone with values. Have a great day! (I do happen to be mormon folks, so I will be alittle biased on these issues, sorry, but I really don't mean to come across as a jerk or someone who isn't willing to listen to others views, I just don't like to idea of being told things about my religion that aren't true or substanciated)I'm probably out of line to make any comments, so I apologize if I evoke any harsh feelings out of anyone.

[bigsk8fan]

after 6 years of W, anyone would be a vast improvement. After listening to W talk about his faith, only to see this numbskull start a war with a country that did NOT attack the USA, nor did that country aid Al Qaeda (someone who did attack the USA). Actully, W has used his religious beliefs to normally cause harm to the rights of others. Ironic when you consider he says he is a man of faith.

[radiob-2009]

What our votes mean ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

[getthefacts2]

Why would Romney's religion have any different influence on his presidential abilities as that of any other canidate of a religious affiliation. Mormons are NOT "Cultists", if you are using that word to refernce other religious groups such as Jim Jones and Warren Jeffs. This idea that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (mormons) are cultists is hype brought up by other religions who have been afraid of loosing their membership to mormons. The mormons do NOT teach any ill will towards people of other faiths. The fact that some religions are doing this against the mormons shows that they're afraid of something. It's sad to see people who believe this hype and never do their own reading or checking. What is their motivation? Why are they so afraid? Some basic research and reason would calm their fears.

[guysdigdirt]

As a person who does have a lot of knowledge concerning the Mormons, I can tell you that Romney will do whatever his 'Prophet' tells him to do
Posted by dallison7
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You seem quite full of yourself and your perceived knowledge. If you are as knowledgeable regarding Mormons as you say, you know neither the Prophet nor any other leader of the Mormon Church would ever try and sway a political leader's mind toward any action. But do not assume Mr. Romney, or any other person, will always do as directed by any outside force or person.

[guysdigdirt]

The Mormon Latter Day Saints Church, according to evangelical Christians, has perverted Christian teachings to create a false religion. Southern Baptist leaders have been especially vocal in calling Mormonism a cult.

Posted by nolalou
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If I do not like your stance on something, or if people like you more than they like me, I could tell people you molest children. That would not make it true, but some would believe it and tell others. The tragedy is that many would believe it because they heard someone repeat it. But if someone got to know you, and who you really are, they would not believe the lie and would find me to be a liar and a fake for telling the none-truth.

Find out the truth for yourself. Do not lean upon what others tell you.

[truthword]

My write in candidate will be Jesus Christ, forget about the deceivers. The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. I went to the ghettos where I grew up at the other day, and man o man, they're worse than ever before, those people need some help bad, what's the government doing? Buying tv advertising to talk themselves up that's what. Turn off your tv, forget about the "government" and lets start helping one another out instead of fighting against each other like they want us to. It's really that simple folks.... at this point we'd be better off without a government than the one we have.

[guysdigdirt]

It's a well known fact that many priests were encouraging their congregation to vote Republican in the last presidential election... And they never lost their tax exempt status.
Posted by jimkun
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You are wrong, in those instances where it was proven the church lost it's status and the congregation that donated to them lost the write-offs.

[guysdigdirt]

No cultist will EVER be elected President.....then again, if he got control of the e-voting machines like Chimpy, he might win by 150% of the vote.....what a complete joke the GOP has become.
Posted by veteran71
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You sound like a cynic and a sore-loser. Would you prefer Gore had won the first election? Do you know how to speak Afghani? You would have had to learn it after 9/11 if he had.

[truthword]

A lot of mormonism was taken from Freemasonry which was taken from jewish mysticism the Kaballah which is basically Jewish satanism, most jews don't practice the Kaballah. This is why the freemasons killed Joseph Smith in Carthage which isn't all that far from here. They have a big temple in Nauvoo which is even closer to here that has upside down pentagrams, the symbol of satan all over the building, sun god worship symbols, etc etc... go look it up online. I my friend do know what I'm talking about. I'm not saying all moromons or all freemasons are bad people, most are simply misled.

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You seem quite full of yourself and your perceived knowledge. If you are as knowledgeable regarding Mormons as you say, you know neither the Prophet nor any other leader of the Mormon Church would ever try and sway a political leader's mind toward any action. But do not assume Mr. Romney, or any other person, will always do as directed by any outside force or person.
Posted by guysdigdirt at 04:07 PM : Apr 02, 2007

[guysdigdirt]

cast one more for hillary i guess.
Posted by jmo1685
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Don't even play like that!!!!! Ouch, she was already President for 8 years, her turn is up. and if she did not know her husband was cheating on her how will she know how to run a county? Then she could not handle the situation with him after that, stuck with him for political reasons and now wants to have us entrust her with our faith to lead this country? You think we are in a mess now, that would be the icing on the cake.

[forthepeaple]

well wake up america! Its a new world today? why you may ask? because it is time to put a end to our government.!! how you may ask? by this and i hope everyone listting. so get it out there anyway you can ok here goes, sence our own government doesn't want to follow our constitution or any other laws, we the people of this united states of america will not give or PAY ANY TYPE OF GOVERNMENT TAXES,WE WILL TELL OUR WORK PLACE TO CHANGE OUR DEDUCTION TO SAY 10 SO NO TAXES WILL COME OUT. TRY TO RUN THIS COUNTRY WITH NO MONEY COMMING IN..THIS IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN STOP THE BLEEDING IN THIS COUNTRY..

I HOPE EVERY AMERICAN DOES EXECTLY WHAT I STATED HERE, GET THE WORD OUT.

THIS GOVERNMENT IS AND WILL NOT HELP THE AVERAGE AMERICAN SO EVERYONE BETTER WAKE UP AND TAKE CONTROL OF OUR GOVERNMENT NOW BEFORE ITS TO LATE.

IF YOU SIT BACK AND DO NOTHING, THAN DONT SAY A WORD, THIS IS TO GET OUR COUNTRY BACK.

THIS GOVERNMENT HAS LIED,CHEATTED YOU, AND WILL NOT FOLLOW THE LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY, SO WHY SHOULD WE..

SO GO AHEAD DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO TREAT EVERYDAY LIKE THEY DO WITH NO RESPECT TO THE LAWS AND OUR CONSTITUTION OR BILL OF RIGHTS, SO GO AHEAD HAVE FUN LIKE THEY DO ALL IN WASHINGTON.... THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN TELL THE PRESIDENT FOR ME. DAVID A BELANGER,[e-mail]. GO AHEAD PRINT THIS IN EVERY PAPERS

[musty2u]

truthword looks like he/she/it believes even the Bazooka Bubble Gum quotes as printed.

[truthword]

Is that the best you can do? All you have to do is go look into things, it's no big secret. Go to yahoo image search and check out some photos of the big mormon temple in nauvoo illinois. It's really that simple....

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truthword looks like he/she/it believes even the Bazooka Bubble Gum quotes as printed.
Posted by Musty2U at 04:29 PM : Apr 02, 2007

[gunownerdan]

The best prostitutes will make the most money.

[musty2u]

and, you are a mormon who will testify that those are correct meanings of those images?

[guysdigdirt]

A lot of mormonism was taken from Freemasonry which was taken from jewish mysticism the Kaballah which is basically Jewish satanism, most jews don't practice the Kaballah. This is why the freemasons killed Joseph Smith in Carthage which isn't all that far from here. They have a big temple in Nauvoo which is even closer to here that has upside down pentagrams, the symbol of satan all over the building, sun god worship symbols, etc etc... go look it up online. I my friend do know what I'm talking about. I'm not saying all moromons or all freemasons are bad people, most are simply misled.

truthword
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No, you clearly demonstrate you have no idea what you are talking about. If you believe even 1% of that you are greatly misled.

If you want to find out what they really are all about go to them and ask them. Read their books. Read what respected authors of this day write about them. Do not rely on quacks that post a web site and have not foundation for their writings.

You do not know the truth about Mormons, it scares me what you might think you know about other people and religions too.

[tuckerndfw]

Can anyone explain how the ability to beg for money is related to qualifications to be president?

George Bush raises lots of money and we see how unqualified he is.

Perhaps it's time to ban political contributions. They could be better used to help pay down the deficit.

[gunownerdan]

I guess our next president will be the best one that money can buy...............

The Democrats and the Republicans are DESTROYING AMERICA.

The sheep will follow!

[guysdigdirt]

The best prostitutes will make the most money.
Posted by GunOwnerDan
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As will those who represent true opportunity. When America finds one who can, and will, make the changes needed, that person will get, got, support.

In reality I think Romney will not inhabit the White House. He is too honest to win the election. Ironic no?

[nolalou]

forthepeaple,

This is about the 20th time you have posted this c*ap! Once was more than enough! Get a life you looser!

[truthword]

I'm kind of busy working at the moment that's why I haven't gone into more detail, I invite everyone to do a little research for themself, simply go to yahoo or googles search engine and type in

mormon freemasonry

Ye seed and ye shall find..

Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

I'll be back in about an hour though, I'm almost done with my work for the day. :-)
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No, you clearly demonstrate you have no idea what you are talking about. If you believe even 1% of that you are greatly misled.

If you want to find out what they really are all about go to them and ask them. Read their books. Read what respected authors of this day write about them. Do not rely on quacks that post a web site and have not foundation for their writings.

You do not know the truth about Mormons, it scares me what you might think you know about other people and religions too.

Posted by guysdigdirt at 04:38 PM : Apr 02, 2007
+ report abuse

[guysdigdirt]

I guess our next president will be the best one that money can buy...............


Posted by GunOwnerDan
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"Billionaire John Kerry supporter George Soros is working through the U.N. to negotiate a treaty that will ban private ownership of firearms on a worldwide basis."

This is an actual headline from October 2004. Soros, a billionaire, said he would give all his money to see Bush defeated. His money pushed thru laws that took your and my free-speach away. He gave millions of dollars to beat Bush. But that money did not cause us to have to live with Kerry as the president. Not always will money make a difference.

I agree Dan, sometimes money will make a politician do things they might not otherwise do once they get into office. The political system should be changed so they all have only the same amount of money to use and no private contributions. Then they would not be "bought" once in office.

[musty2u]

I've seen some pretty weird ideas and books put out by some second rate publishing companies. All I can say, is it supports freedom of the press, not necessarily freedom of the truth. I would want to speak with someone that has more credibility...maybe even a mormon.

[guysdigdirt]

truthword, do you believe everything you find on the internet and read in the papers? I can find a web site that says you are a professional skydiver, does that make it true? Go to the source, check it out.

we can go on like this all day, but if you believe everything you read on the net, it is hopeless.

[guysdigdirt]

forthepeaple,

This is about the 20th time you have posted this c*ap! Once was more than enough! Get a life you looser!
Posted by nolalou
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I agree!!! No one reads your posts forthepeople. Let it go.

[omega39-2009]

The political system should be changed so they all have only the same amount of money to use and no private contributions. Then they would not be "bought" once in office.
Posted by guysdigdirt

I agree but then you would have PACS and 527s bombarding the airwaves with negative advertising. The courts seem to feel that this is protected free speech but IMO these misleading and untruthful ads are akin to yelling fire in a crowded movie theater. These bozos need to go back to stumping from the back of a train and getting to meet their constituents face to face.

[truthword]

I don't believe everything I read on the internet, I do however know quite a bit about freemasonry, which means I know quite a bit about mormonism as well, and I do live in the area where this all happened at. Do you think everything on the internet is a lie? There's 74,200 results for mormon+freemasonry on yahoo search, where there's smoke there's fire, I think the people that really want to know can go research this for themselves. I could care less about either luciferian group myself. You guys need to get Jesus. Like I said, I'm trying to work and I'll be back in about an hour if you want to have a big debate on the subject.

[tuckerndfw]

It is time to eliminate elections.

We should select representatives the same way we select jurors.

It will not happen in my lifetime, but the best way to rid ourselves of corruption in politics is by eliminating career politicians.

Representative government does not need or require egomaniacs who spend their entire lives connivig their way into elected office.

Until we eliminate professional politicians, we can expect more of the same. Politicians will always cater to those who give them the most money. And, the vast majority of Americans (about 97%) do not contribute to political campaigns. Which means they are not represented by anyone.

If nothing else, George Bush has conclusively demonstrated that anyone (or anything) is capable of holding the Office of the President. No qualifications or ability required.

As have most members of his GOP led rubber stamp congress.

Time to eliminate elections entirely. They serve no useful purpose.

[nyckate]

Posted by GunOwnerDan - so instead we had the top 1% who paid enough to keep a complete and utter incompetent like Bush in the white house - and what do you know - it paid off for them as they reaped more under Bush than they have in 75 years -- it can never be said of Bush that the wealthy didn't get what they paid for - and it will ALWAYS be said of Bush that he was just a guy dressed up in a ***'s costume for sale.

[seven-pesos]

never met a southerner i ever liked.

bush loving, war making, ignorant, uneducated, phony christian, evangelist freaks and republican snakes.

the south never does good for america.

fat people, war makers, bush loving slave state trash.

nothing good comes out of the south!

[notblue]

seven-pesos, I'm not a geographic genious but don't you come from the "south"? Are there any other thoughts your capable of other than the same old lame rant? Just curious.